***Official WIS Sim XIII Draft Thread - The HoVG (2 Viewers)

[Eephus]

OT but he was on one of my shortlists.

Tommy Henrich, whose 11-year career with the Yankees earned him the nickname “Old Reliable,” died in Dayton, Ohio, early Tuesday morning. He was 96 and was believed to be the oldest living Yankee. Henrich, an outfielder, won seven World Series championships with the Yankees from 1937-42 and 1946-50, his service to the team interrupted only by his military service in World War II. “Tommy was a darn good ballplayer and teammate,” former Yankees teammate Yogi Berra said in a statement. “He always took being a Yankee to heart. He won a lot of championships and did whatever he could to help us win. When I came up in 1947, he taught me little nuances about playing the outfield. Being around Tommy made you feel good, whether playing cards or listening to him sing with that great voice. He was a proud man, and if you knew him, he made you proud too.” In his career, Henrich hit .282 with 183 homers and 795 RBI. He also finished with 73 triples, twice leading the American League in that category.

His top B-R comp is J.D. Drew which tells you a lot about what kind of player he was (low AVG, high OBP, lots of XBHs). His career OPS+ of 132 is pretty impressive considering he lost 3+ prime years to WWII. Henrich figures prominantly in Halberstam's Summer of '49. He had a great season that year (6th in AL MVP race in a pre-Cy Young season) but was out of baseball less than a year later due to a knee injury.He was the fifth oldest living major league ballplayer and the only one of the top ten to have had a career of over 1,000 games.

 

[Doug B]

Teams not in:Bogart x 2Doug x 2PumpLarryRnR

Bad day at work ... underlings can't wipe their arzsses. Will have teams in ASAP tomorrow.

 

[oso diablo]

so when Andre Dawson gets elected to the HOF in early January, will he then be ineligible?

(if not obvious, just kidding around)

 

[Koya]

Time killin' pre season (if there is a season) live?

 

[Koya]

hmmm.

 

[Eephus]

It's time to start thinking about contingency options for Larry Boy's team

01 . 15 : Larry Boy-------- : Ken Caminiti 3B

02 . 10 : Larry Boy-------- : Bill Bernhard SP

03 . 15 : Larry Boy-------- : Alan Trammell SS

04 . 10 : Larry Boy-------- : Darren Daulton C

05 . 15 : Larry Boy-------- : Tiny Bonham SP

06 . 10 : Larry Boy-------- : Pink Hawley SP

07 . 15 : Larry Boy-------- : Cesar Cedeno OF

08 . 10 : Larry Boy-------- : Jeff Zimmerman RP

09 . 15 : Larry Boy-------- : Jeff Tesreau SP

10 . 10 : Larry Boy-------- : Lee Smith RP

11 . 15 : Larry Boy-------- : Lou Whitaker 2B

12 . 10 : Larry Boy-------- : Bob Hazle OF

13 . 15 : Larry Boy-------- : Ray Blades OF

14 . 10 : Larry Boy-------- : Monty Stratton SP

15 . 15 : Larry Boy-------- : Gene Tenace C

16 . 10 : Larry Boy-------- : Dan Gladden OF

17 . 15 : Larry Boy-------- : Fred Nicholson OF

18 . 10 : Larry Boy-------- : Doyle Alexander RP

19 . 15 : Larry Boy-------- : Ben McDonald RP

20 . 10 : Larry Boy-------- : Darryl Strawberry OF

21 . 15 : Larry Boy-------- : John Kruk 1B

22 . 10 : Larry Boy-------- : Don Buford OF

23 . 15 : Larry Boy-------- :

24 . 10 : Larry Boy-------- :

25 . 15 : Larry Boy-------- :

yuck, LOL

 

[Koya]

It's time to start thinking about contingency options for Larry Boy's team01 . 15 : Larry Boy-------- : Ken Caminiti 3B02 . 10 : Larry Boy-------- : Bill Bernhard SP03 . 15 : Larry Boy-------- : Alan Trammell SS04 . 10 : Larry Boy-------- : Darren Daulton C05 . 15 : Larry Boy-------- : Tiny Bonham SP06 . 10 : Larry Boy-------- : Pink Hawley SP07 . 15 : Larry Boy-------- : Cesar Cedeno OF08 . 10 : Larry Boy-------- : Jeff Zimmerman RP09 . 15 : Larry Boy-------- : Jeff Tesreau SP10 . 10 : Larry Boy-------- : Lee Smith RP11 . 15 : Larry Boy-------- : Lou Whitaker 2B12 . 10 : Larry Boy-------- : Bob Hazle OF13 . 15 : Larry Boy-------- : Ray Blades OF14 . 10 : Larry Boy-------- : Monty Stratton SP15 . 15 : Larry Boy-------- : Gene Tenace C16 . 10 : Larry Boy-------- : Dan Gladden OF17 . 15 : Larry Boy-------- : Fred Nicholson OF18 . 10 : Larry Boy-------- : Doyle Alexander RP19 . 15 : Larry Boy-------- : Ben McDonald RP20 . 10 : Larry Boy-------- : Darryl Strawberry OF21 . 15 : Larry Boy-------- : John Kruk 1B22 . 10 : Larry Boy-------- : Don Buford OF23 . 15 : Larry Boy-------- : 24 . 10 : Larry Boy-------- : 25 . 15 : Larry Boy-------- : yuck, LOL

Hmm. WTF happened to Larry? He is not the type to disappear like this. Have to admit I am worried.

 

[larry_boy_44]

hey guys...

sorry about dissapearing... my life has been hectic that last month or so...

I'll make up my picks ASAP and get my team in the league on Friday...

 

[Eephus]

hey guys...sorry about dissapearing... my life has been hectic that last month or so...I'll make up my picks ASAP and get my team in the league on Friday...

Glad you're alright.Next order of business is to figure out the Hall of Lame roster.

 

[Doug B]

Teams not in:Bogart x 2Doug x 2PumpLarryRnR

Bad day at work ... underlings can't wipe their arzsses. Will have teams in ASAP tomorrow.

My squads are in

 

[Doug B]

Doug B's team = New Orleans Pelicans

Boug D's team = Baton Rouge Kingfish

 

[Bogart]

Guys, I will finish Norwood's team tonight I guess. I went to send him a PM and his box is full.

Any chance someone can send me a list of 10 or so eligible players that are still on their list??

As for the Hall of Lame, looking for suggestions still on how competitive people want it to be. The list I had was about as bad as it could get. I have no problem with this team being bad, but seems others thought otherwise. Just let me know.

 

[Doug B]

I have no problem with this team being bad, but seems others thought otherwise.

Think about it, though: if one team is that bad, the three good teams in that division have a huge leg up for the WC spot.Not everyone is all that serious in these things, but some of us are

 

[Bogart]

I have no problem with this team being bad, but seems others thought otherwise.

Think about it, though: if one team is that bad, the three good teams in that division have a huge leg up for the WC spot.Not everyone is all that serious in these things, but some of us are

Exactly the reason why I am wanting input from those who are serious.

 

[jfranco77]

I have no problem with this team being bad, but seems others thought otherwise.

Think about it, though: if one team is that bad, the three good teams in that division have a huge leg up for the WC spot.Not everyone is all that serious in these things, but some of us are

Exactly the reason why I am wanting input from those who are serious.

Approximate replacement levels by position (OPS+, assumes reasonable defense, there may be guys a lot higher that are awful in the field):catcher - 120 (if platooning 2 guys... probably 105 if just 1 guy)first base - 125second/third/short - 115corner outfield - 130center field - 120starting pitchers - WHIP of about 1.05relievers - WHIP of about 1.00if you can come close to those targets i think that would be at least a 70-80 win team.

 

[jfranco77]

Guys, I will finish Norwood's team tonight I guess. I went to send him a PM and his box is full.Any chance someone can send me a list of 10 or so eligible players that are still on their list??As for the Hall of Lame, looking for suggestions still on how competitive people want it to be. The list I had was about as bad as it could get. I have no problem with this team being bad, but seems others thought otherwise. Just let me know.

I'll send you my list. I am not sure if it's still clean (a couple guys might have been picked since I finished my team) but it should be close.

 

[Sammy3469]

Or bogart could have a salary cap. I'm not entirely sure what my salary was though (much less the rest of the league)

EDIT: My salary was 141 million

 

[Eephus]

Guys, I will finish Norwood's team tonight I guess. I went to send him a PM and his box is full.Any chance someone can send me a list of 10 or so eligible players that are still on their list??As for the Hall of Lame, looking for suggestions still on how competitive people want it to be. The list I had was about as bad as it could get. I have no problem with this team being bad, but seems others thought otherwise. Just let me know.

List sent for BoNor fill out picks.I think the HoL team should be competitive

 

[jfranco77]

Or bogart could have a salary cap. I'm not entirely sure what my salary was though (much less the rest of the league)EDIT: My salary was 141 million

$124,407,646 for me... team is very lean though. 1642 IP and 6335 PA.

 

[Eephus]

Or bogart could have a salary cap. I'm not entirely sure what my salary was though (much less the rest of the league)

WIS salaries are heavily dependent on PAs and IPs. Most HoFers will only have usable full seasons.$/PA or $/IP is a more meaningful metric but not really useful when building a full team.

 

[Eephus]

Bump

just for kicks and grins (and because i'm a baseball dork), i looked up the list of most comparable players at B-R for each of the HOF guys below. Noting a few to give a sense of what level of players these guys were. # in ( ) shows how many of his top 10 comps are in the HOF.Potential "Hall Of Shame" lineup:C: Rick Farrell - Tony Pena / Brad Ausmus (2)C: Ray Schalk - Jim Sundberg (3)1B: George Kelly - Bob Watson (0)1B: Frank Chance - Jack Smith (1)1B: Tony Perez - Harold Baines (3)2B: Bill Mazerroski - Frank White (0)2B: Johnny Evers - Luis Castillo (2)2B: Tony Lazzeri - Vern Stephens (2)SS: Walter James Vincent "Rabbit" Maranville - Ozzie and Aparicio (5 - he has a better resume than i remembered)SS: Joe Tinker - Ozzie Guillen (1 - Rizzuto)SS: Phil Rizzuto - Jose Offerman (0)SS/3B - Travis Jackson - Carlos Baerga (1)3B: George Kell - Bill Madlock (2)3B/OF: Freddie Lindstrom - Baby Doll Jacobson (2)OutfieldersOF: George Davis - Bill Dahlen (7 - not lame)OF: Lou Brock - Tim Raines (4)OF: Tommy McCarthy - Lance Johnson (1)OF: Dave Winfield - Eddie Murray / Al Kaline (6 - i wouldn't put him in this HOL group at all)OF: Lloyd Waner - Willie Wilson (1)OF: Max Carey - Raines again, Brett Butler (4)OF: Harry Hooper - Brett Butler (3)OF: Earle Combs - Mike Tiernan (1)OF: Ross Youngs - Chick Stahl (1)OF: Chick Hafey - Ken Williams / Tony Oliva (1)Pitchers:Jim Bunning - Mickey Lolich (2)Red Faber - Dennis Martinez (5)Phil Neikro - Gaylord Perry (7 - another clear HOFer to me)Eppa Rixey - Jim Kaat (5)Red Ruffing - Gus Weyhing (4)Herb Pennock - David Wells (4)Rube Marquard - Dolph Luque, Jerry Reuss (0)Catfish - Tiant / Hershiser (1)Jesse Haines - Freddie Fitzsimmons (0)Jack Chesbro - Babe Adams / Carl Mays (2)

 

[Eephus]

Bump

Potential "Hall Of Shame" lineup:

C - Rick Farrell

1B - George Kelly

2B - Bill Mazerroski

SS - Walter James Vincent "Rabbit" Maranville

3B - Travis Jackson

OF - George Davis

OF - Lou Brock

OF - Tommy McCarthy

Bench: Dave Winfield, Phil Rizzuto, Tony Lazzeri, Joe Tinker

Pitchers: Jim Bunning, Red Faber, Phil Neikro, Eppa Rixey, Red Ruffing, Herb Pennock

just for the sake of HOF discussion... haven't looked at their respective WIS stats, but these are my picks:OF: Lloyd Waner - only got in due to halo effect of his deserving older brother and their cool nicknames

OF: agree on McCarthy

OF: wanted to argue for Lou Brock, but i'll pick Freddie Lindstrom instead. I know he played more at 3B, and we can put him there if you want.

SS: Maranville is an easy pick

2B: Maz or Johnny Evers

3B: if not Lindstrom, then George Kell

1B: agree on Kelly, also Frank Chance

C: Ferrell and Schalk

P: Rube Marquard, Catfish, Pennock, Jesse Haines, Red Ruffing, Eppa Rixey, Jack Chesbro

Others: Tinker, Rizzuto, Max Carey, Harry Hooper, Earle Combs, Ross Youngs, Chick Hafey, Tony Perez

Those batting squads have almost no slugging ... maybe they shouldn't be worried about having "too good" of a pitching staff.

The HoL team will have a solid bullpen. But even cherry picking the best years of Wilhelm, Fingers, Sutter, Eck and Gossage won't be that much better than the usual WIS cookie RPs.

 

[Sammy3469]

Or bogart could have a salary cap. I'm not entirely sure what my salary was though (much less the rest of the league)

WIS salaries are heavily dependent on PAs and IPs. Most HoFers will only have usable full seasons.$/PA or $/IP is a more meaningful metric but not really useful when building a full team.

True, but I'm not that lean 6617/1750 and I think something a little lower is a pretty fair representation of a full team (I think I have about 12-3 million is "spare" salary on my roster). I think if he aimed for a 120-5 million $ team he'd be fairly competitive.

 

[Doug B]

True, but I'm not that lean 6617/1750 and I think something a little lower is a pretty fair representation of a full team (I think I have about 12-3 million is "spare" salary on my roster). I think if he aimed for a 120-5 million $ team he'd be fairly competitive.

My team's composed like jfranco's ... $125 M seems to be in line.

 

[Koya]

I have no problem with this team being bad, but seems others thought otherwise.

Think about it, though: if one team is that bad, the three good teams in that division have a huge leg up for the WC spot.Not everyone is all that serious in these things, but some of us are

Exactly the reason why I am wanting input from those who are serious.

Approximate replacement levels by position (OPS+, assumes reasonable defense, there may be guys a lot higher that are awful in the field):catcher - 120 (if platooning 2 guys... probably 105 if just 1 guy)first base - 125second/third/short - 115corner outfield - 130center field - 120starting pitchers - WHIP of about 1.05relievers - WHIP of about 1.00if you can come close to those targets i think that would be at least a 70-80 win team.

Interesting approach here. Curious how my team stacks up. That said, I have often sacrificed one part of the OPS for the other in creating a lineup once you get past the great/good all around players (i.e. get additional slugging for a #5-7 hitter at the expense of OBP or low slugging but a very good OBP for a leadoff hitter). Then again, maybe thats why I've sucked of late.WHIP for starters at 1.05 as a replacement seems high, no? Obviously there is normalization at stake, but even so. There are some good higher whip guys (Aguirre comes to mind), but in general that seems high.

 

[Eephus]

Lou Brock doesn't even have the best WIS $/PA season by a guy named Brock. Greg Brock's 1985 season (.251/.332/.438) is rated higher than any of Lou's.

 

[Eephus]

This is all very interesting discussion, but it would be more productive if somebody (preferably Bogart) posts a proposed HoL team roster.

 

[Koya]

Lou Brock doesn't even have the best WIS $/PA season by a guy named Brock. Greg Brock's 1985 season (.251/.332/.438) is rated higher than any of Lou's.

oof.

 

[jfranco77]

I have no problem with this team being bad, but seems others thought otherwise.

Think about it, though: if one team is that bad, the three good teams in that division have a huge leg up for the WC spot.Not everyone is all that serious in these things, but some of us are

Exactly the reason why I am wanting input from those who are serious.

Approximate replacement levels by position (OPS+, assumes reasonable defense, there may be guys a lot higher that are awful in the field):catcher - 120 (if platooning 2 guys... probably 105 if just 1 guy)first base - 125second/third/short - 115corner outfield - 130center field - 120starting pitchers - WHIP of about 1.05relievers - WHIP of about 1.00if you can come close to those targets i think that would be at least a 70-80 win team.

Interesting approach here. Curious how my team stacks up. That said, I have often sacrificed one part of the OPS for the other in creating a lineup once you get past the great/good all around players (i.e. get additional slugging for a #5-7 hitter at the expense of OBP or low slugging but a very good OBP for a leadoff hitter). Then again, maybe thats why I've sucked of late.WHIP for starters at 1.05 as a replacement seems high, no? Obviously there is normalization at stake, but even so. There are some good higher whip guys (Aguirre comes to mind), but in general that seems high.

Well, 1.05 WHIP with a good HR/9... the best (only) SPs left on my list are in that range. Which is how I determine replacement level... who's left on my list

 

[Bogart]

This is all very interesting discussion, but it would be more productive if somebody (preferably Bogart) posts a proposed HoL team roster.

OK, I have lists to complete BoNor's team and will post tonight.I will also post a HOF team with a salary around 120-125 million dollars for everyone to decide on if it is good or not.

 

[oso diablo]

This is all very interesting discussion, but it would be more productive if somebody (preferably Bogart) posts a proposed HoL team roster.

i think between what Bogart has already suggested and what i've posted, there's not much further input needed. He can just decide among those already suggested.

 

[RnR]

I like the idea of "worst" HoF players at each position, using their best seasons...

 

[Bogart]

21 . 23 : Bogart----------- : Pinky Whitney - 3B/SS/2B

22 . 02 : Bogart----------- : Chief Zimmer - C/1B

23 . 23 : Bogart----------- : Greg Harris - RP

24 . 02 : Bogart----------- : Tommy Henrich - OF

25 . 23 : Bogart----------- : Scott Fletcher - 2B/SS/3B

 

[Bogart]

Make up picks for BoNor made. Will work on HoL team now, get to 125 million.

Might be tomorrow night before I get both teams in. Hoping Norwood comes to take "our" team from me.

 

[Eephus]

OP updated

Still need:

Larry Boy make-up picks

Pumpnick stadium

Hall of Lame roster

Five teams to be entered in WIS

 

[Bogart]

Got the hitters in HoL last night, salaries right at 68 million. Right on track. Will have 3-4 open hours tonight to wrap everything up.

NORWOOD, are you out there???

 

[Koya]

Live?

 

[Doug B]

I know the draft is over ... but

 

[RnR]

:deadbanana:

 

[larry_boy_44]

2B Bob Johnson

OF Deion Sanders

RP Bobby Ayala

 

[Eephus]

2B Bob Johnson

OF Deion Sanders

RP Bobby Ayala

Just to be clear, you're talking about this Bob Johnson, right?

 

[larry_boy_44]

2B Bob Johnson

OF Deion Sanders

RP Bobby Ayala

Just to be clear, you're talking about this Bob Johnson, right?

yes, I wanna use 1967...what's the league info so i can join? I don't see it on the first page...

 

[Eephus]

2B Bob Johnson

OF Deion Sanders

RP Bobby Ayala

Just to be clear, you're talking about this Bob Johnson, right?

yes, I wanna use 1967...what's the league info so i can join? I don't see it on the first page...

it's in the thread title

 

[Eephus]

Still need:

Pumpnick stadium

Hall of Lame roster

Three teams to be entered in WIS: BoNor, Pumpnick, Bogart HoL

Get tulsaslide to withdraw his team. It looks like WIS made the league public and tulsa entered an all-star $180M roster. I've contacted him via site mail.

Align divisions

I'm traveling on Monday and will be out of pocket. If the unfinished business gets taken care of, I can kick off the league on Monday night.

 

[Bogart]

Guys, I apologize for holding up a bit. Pump is making me feel somewhat better. I put the HOL batters in for about 68 million, still need to put in pitching. Will display full roster tomorrow and get a few yays or nays before entering into WIS.

Was hoping Norwood would show up and take the Norgart team, but I guess he is not around right now. Will take some extra buttering up of Mrs. Bogart pay for two "useless Internet crap" teams this close to Christmas, but nothing I can't handle.

 

[ScottNorwood]

I may be able to norgart this evening, if necessary

 

[Koya]

Me thinks the future of FBGs WIS is smaller leagues.

 

[Shakespeare]

Me thinks the future of FBGs WIS is smaller leagues.

you think. therefore you are.

 

[oso diablo]

Me thinks the future of FBGs WIS is smaller leagues.

what does WIS allow?

 

[Koya]

Me thinks the future of FBGs WIS is smaller leagues.

what does WIS allow?

There are 24, 16 and 12 owner leagues I believe. I mean, this is the first time there has been so little SIM live in the preseason. I mean, I know its just for ####s and giggles, but as if our lives are so exciting on a Monday night that no one wants to f' around?