OFFICIAL WIS XVIII THREAD: An Ode to Claude Hendrix (2 Viewers)

[rodg12]

Wishing you and your family the best Hoos.

Same here, man. T&P

 

[Eephus]

11 . 20 - Frosty OTC to xx01

11 . 21 - Bogart

11 . 22 - Larryboy

11 . 23 - Kraft

11 . 24 - Pumpnick

 

[Frostillicus]

11.20 SP Roger Nelson, 1970s

The HR/9 is a little high, but all the other metrics check out. Not sure exactly how I'm going to end up handling his 5 IP/G, but I'll figure something out.

 

[Doug B]

11.15 Jack Taylor, SP, 1900-1909

I've had this guy twice, and he way outperformed his stats twice. Must be something to jfranco's Deadballer Love.

 

[Doug B]

Those are the kinds of teams I always used to build. Guaranteed to win 88 games and lose to someone playing in Pac Bell in the first round of the playoffs. I'm trying something different this time, but I don't know if it's working any better.

Tell me if this rings a bell:

Didn't the WIS powers-that-be adjust the sim engine's calculatons at one time to dramatically reduce the HR-prevention of deadball pitchers? And then afterwards a lot of WIS users complained, so they dialed back (but didn't eliminate) whatever that engine correction was?

 

[Koya]

Those are the kinds of teams I always used to build. Guaranteed to win 88 games and lose to someone playing in Pac Bell in the first round of the playoffs. I'm trying something different this time, but I don't know if it's working any better.

Tell me if this rings a bell:

Didn't the WIS powers-that-be adjust the sim engine's calculatons at one time to dramatically reduce the HR-prevention of deadball pitchers? And then afterwards a lot of WIS users complained, so they dialed back (but didn't eliminate) whatever that engine correction was?

I recall some discussion of lost hrs and the fact that some amount would translate in non hr extra base hits - the theory being it's not as if these guys didn't get hit but with fields with no fences and the deadball there needed to be a better normalization than no hr = out.

 

[Spartans Rule]

Those are the kinds of teams I always used to build. Guaranteed to win 88 games and lose to someone playing in Pac Bell in the first round of the playoffs. I'm trying something different this time, but I don't know if it's working any better.

Tell me if this rings a bell:

Didn't the WIS powers-that-be adjust the sim engine's calculatons at one time to dramatically reduce the HR-prevention of deadball pitchers? And then afterwards a lot of WIS users complained, so they dialed back (but didn't eliminate) whatever that engine correction was?

I recall some discussion of lost hrs and the fact that some amount would translate in non hr extra base hits - the theory being it's not as if these guys didn't get hit but with fields with no fences and the deadball there needed to be a better normalization than no hr = out.

Back in WIS II homeruns turned into doubles at a preposterously high rate. Carlos Delgado had 82 doubles for me in that sim.

 

[jfranco77]

1. SS Dahlen .352/.438/.553

2. RF Williams .357/.439/.623 29hrs

3. 1B Gehrig .373/.474/.765 47hrs

4. LF Gonzalez .325/.429/.688 57hrs

5. C Lopez .328/.378/.687 43hrs

6. CF Foster .320/.382/.631 52hrs

7. 3B

8. 2B Stanky .300/.460/.412

SP1 Cicotte 365IP 1.53ERA/.91WHIP/.05HR9

SP2 Reulbach 309IP 1.42ERA/.96WHIP/.03HR9

SP3 Overall 302IP 1.42ERA/1.00WHIP/.03HR9

CL Carlos 42IP 0.86ERA/.86WHIP/.00HR9

Still not sure about this team. Playing in Wrigley I hope to hit a lot of homers and not give up many, but I don't know if that will work "in this format". We will see.

Those are the kinds of teams I always used to build. Guaranteed to win 88 games and lose to someone playing in Pac Bell in the first round of the playoffs. I'm trying something different this time, but I don't know if it's working any better.

Haven't you won it all twice?

It's also the kind of team I always build, and I usually win 88 games and lose in the first round of the playoffs. But I'm stubborn so I'm sticking to it.

Yes, I did, but you guys have gotten a lot smarter The HRs and deadballers approach used to work a lot better before everyone wised up. Also one of my wins was the Uecker league, with no deadballers. And I did draft the lowest possible HR/9 guys and a lot of power on offense.

 

[SoCalBroncoFan]

11.18 - Tiny Bonham, P, 1940s

Not sure yet if I'll use his 1940 out of the bullpen or his 42 as a starter. Like both and the flexibility, plus the 40s is getting pretty dang thin.

#### you and your ####### ####. #### #### #### god #### it ####ing #### #### ####er.

 

[jfranco77]

Those are the kinds of teams I always used to build. Guaranteed to win 88 games and lose to someone playing in Pac Bell in the first round of the playoffs. I'm trying something different this time, but I don't know if it's working any better.

Tell me if this rings a bell:

Didn't the WIS powers-that-be adjust the sim engine's calculatons at one time to dramatically reduce the HR-prevention of deadball pitchers? And then afterwards a lot of WIS users complained, so they dialed back (but didn't eliminate) whatever that engine correction was?

That does sound sort of familiar. It used to be that they would never give up any HRs. Then they tried to make them give up a lot (basically what their HR/9+ would dictate without using the raw numbers) but it failed and they went most of the way back. Don't remember the details but it was a while ago.

 

[Super Nintendo Chalmers]

Nothing like being 5 or 6 drafts behind the curve, .500 here I come.

 

[Eephus]

I am enjoying this draft's gimmick. There seem to be a few different strategies emerging and the teams we end up with will have good diversity across baseball history.

 

[Spartans Rule]

Yes, I did, but you guys have gotten a lot smarter The HRs and deadballers approach used to work a lot better before everyone wised up. Also one of my wins was the Uecker league, with no deadballers. And I did draft the lowest possible HR/9 guys and a lot of power on offense.

I'm still a believer in the HR/deadballer approach. I think it's just about getting good enough value in the draft, which has gotten tougher over time.

It feels like this is the best draft I've had in a long time, but I guess we'll see.

 

[Koya]

Yes, I did, but you guys have gotten a lot smarter The HRs and deadballers approach used to work a lot better before everyone wised up. Also one of my wins was the Uecker league, with no deadballers. And I did draft the lowest possible HR/9 guys and a lot of power on offense.

I'm still a believer in the HR/deadballer approach. I think it's just about getting good enough value in the draft, which has gotten tougher over time.

It feels like this is the best draft I've had in a long time, but I guess we'll see.

Your offense looks sick. My big question in these leagues is that to win it all, you know you will have to go through deadballers (in the playoffs if nothing else) and if you rely too much on the HR, that could be a killer.

Such different strategy as compared with the limited player pool of the last draft. I remember being concerned about all the walks that Nomo would give up, but I figured that without hugely potent offenses, hopefully those wouldn't hurt as much. In that case I was right. Here you really need to pick your poison. No HRs but gives up hits, that could hurt against teams with high AVGs, give up some HRs but great everywhere else and a team like Sparty's will eat you alive. Every mistake here is magnified and you get punished big time, for it.

 

[Koya]

BTW, seems we've hit a lul, where are we?

I see LB is in the thread, so we should give him at least 15 min assuming he doesnt just disappear.

Work with us, LB!

 

[Super Nintendo Chalmers]

11 . 21 - Bogart xx:11
11 . 22 - Larryboy
11 . 23 - Kraft
11 . 24 - Pumpnick

 

[rodg12]

Texted Bogart just now.

 

[rodg12]

11.18 - Tiny Bonham, P, 1940s

Not sure yet if I'll use his 1940 out of the bullpen or his 42 as a starter. Like both and the flexibility, plus the 40s is getting pretty dang thin.

#### you and your ####### ####. #### #### #### god #### it ####ing #### #### ####er.

First pick I ever remember causing this much outrage. I feel like I'm starting to maybe get the hang of this WIS thing a bit.

 

[Kraft...]

Bogy takes:

11.21 Gorman Thomas

 

[larry_boy_44]

Bob Feller, SP 1940s

 

[jfranco77]

It is going to be really hard to do rankings this time. I am basically accounting for all the value a player provides, so when someone drafts Reb Russell to be a setup guy, they get more credit than they should. Once we get into the late rounds and people are taking 500+ PA guys as backups, it will get pretty skewed.

I can raise the replacement level I'm using. I'm not sure what the negative effects of that would be.

As of right now I just built the first draft of the rankings and this is what I've got. Keep in mind some teams have 10 and some have 11. This is up to whoever was picked before Gorman Thomas.

1, Sparty 1024

2. RNR 1006

3. jfranco 969

4. SNC 967

5. Avoid 958

---

22. Socal 660

23. Arsenal 650

24. Larry 617

 

[Brady Marino]

Glad I'm not last, but I have to think my team is no better than middle of the pack, right?

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

My teams never do well in any franco ranking.

 

[Koya]

My teams never do well in any franco ranking.

Regardless of who is doing them my teams are not usually favored by rankings. Usually at the top of the middle grouping for my better teams.

Just shows there are a lot of ways to skin a cat.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I have no idea what I'm doing with Russell, but he won't just be a set-up guy. Tandem, spot, long relief, setup, anything to get as many innings as I can.

So I should get full credit.

 

[Spartans Rule]

I tend to do better in rankings than on the field. Probably because I'm lazy and do a half-### job managing my team.

 

[Kraft...]

11.23 Cy Blanton, SP 30's

 

[larry_boy_44]

My teams never do well in any franco ranking.

neither are mine, and I feel like my last few teams have been .500-ish (and often better)

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Do the top teams already have full lineups?

 

[Eephus]

Rankings are kind of irrelevant if we're trying to split into SimLive and not live leagues.

 

[Pumpnick]

Heinie manush 1920s

Derrick lee 2000s

 

[Super Nintendo Chalmers]

Do the top teams already have full lineups?

I'm short a 3B and will undoubtedly mess-up my relievers, so I will fall off a little.

 

[AcerFC]

Without giving away government secrets, what is the best way to fill the bench and relief

 

[Koya]

Without giving away government secrets, what is the best way to fill the bench and relief

With good players. HTH

 

[Kraft...]

Wow, I was taking Heinie here thought there was more of a chance I would lose Blanton on the turn <_<

give me a few while I tilt

 

[Eephus]

Wow, I was taking it in the Heinie here thought there was more of a chance I would lose Blanton on the turn <_<

give me a few while I tilt

Fixed

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Wow, I was taking Heinie here thought there was more of a chance I would lose Blanton on the turn <_<

give me a few while I tilt

There's an awful lot of talk about feelings going on in this thread

 

[larry_boy_44]

adjusted stats

CF Kenny Lofton .343/.404/.509

OF Tony Gwynn .371/.447/.500

SS Honus Wagner .368/.431/.583

3B Ron Santo .317/.408/.569 30 HR

2B Rod Carew .366/.436/.452

1B Dan Brouthers .354/.466/.533

SP Johan Santan 228 IP .189 OAV .90 WHIP 1.87 ERC 2.32 ERA 7.53 K/9

SP Dazzy Vance 325 IP .202 OAV 1.01 WHIP 2.08 ERC 2.15 ERA 15.27 K/9

SP Jim Hearn 141 IP .182 OAV .93 WHIP 1.69 ERC 2.37 ERA

SP Bob Feller 337 IP .205 OAV 1.08 WHIP 2.23 ERC 2.41 ERA 8.78 K/9

RP Ferdie Schupp 150 IP .175 OAV .91 WHIP 1.55 ERC 1.12 ERA

 

[Kraft...]

Wow, I was taking Heinie here thought there was more of a chance I would lose Blanton on the turn <_<

give me a few while I tilt

There's an awful lot of talk about feelings going on in this thread

NOT THE SAME

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

adjusted stats

CF Kenny Lofton .343/.404/.509

OF Tony Gwynn .371/.447/.500

SS Honus Wagner .368/.431/.583

3B Ron Santo .317/.408/.569 30 HR

2B Rod Carew .366/.436/.452

1B Dan Brouthers .354/.466/.533

SP Johan Santan 228 IP .189 OAV .90 WHIP 1.87 ERC 2.32 ERA 7.53 K/9

SP Dazzy Vance 325 IP .202 OAV 1.01 WHIP 2.08 ERC 2.15 ERA 15.27 K/9

SP Jim Hearn 141 IP .182 OAV .93 WHIP 1.69 ERC 2.37 ERA

SP Bob Feller 337 IP .205 OAV 1.08 WHIP 2.23 ERC 2.41 ERA 8.78 K/9

RP Ferdie Schupp 150 IP .175 OAV .91 WHIP 1.55 ERC 1.12 ERA

If this team does well, I quit.

 

[Kraft...]

12.02 Tommy Holmes OF 40's

 

[Eephus]

Without giving away government secrets, what is the best way to fill the bench and relief

With good players. HTH

For the bullpen, you need about 1400 IP/162 overall. In this format, there's no cost penalty for going over that. Sometimes it's useful to have an extra starter in case one of your guys ####s the bed.

I'll typically go with 4-5 short relievers and a couple of guys who can throw longer than 1.5 IP/G. Your mileage may vary.

http://www.whatifsports.com/knowledgebase/KB_Article_Details.aspx?kbid=36 has some good info about bullpen roles.

 

[Pumpnick]

I selected my hitters to cater to my ballpark

 

[larry_boy_44]

Jocko Milligan, C, 1890s

 

[larry_boy_44]

adjusted stats

CF Kenny Lofton .343/.404/.509

OF Tony Gwynn .371/.447/.500

SS Honus Wagner .368/.431/.583

3B Ron Santo .317/.408/.569 30 HR

2B Rod Carew .366/.436/.452

1B Dan Brouthers .354/.466/.533

SP Johan Santan 228 IP .189 OAV .90 WHIP 1.87 ERC 2.32 ERA 7.53 K/9

SP Dazzy Vance 325 IP .202 OAV 1.01 WHIP 2.08 ERC 2.15 ERA 15.27 K/9

SP Jim Hearn 141 IP .182 OAV .93 WHIP 1.69 ERC 2.37 ERA

SP Bob Feller 337 IP .205 OAV 1.08 WHIP 2.23 ERC 2.41 ERA 8.78 K/9

RP Ferdie Schupp 150 IP .175 OAV .91 WHIP 1.55 ERC 1.12 ERA

If this team does well, I quit.

its not that bad... I'm pretty ok with it...

 

[Spartans Rule]

Yes, I did, but you guys have gotten a lot smarter The HRs and deadballers approach used to work a lot better before everyone wised up. Also one of my wins was the Uecker league, with no deadballers. And I did draft the lowest possible HR/9 guys and a lot of power on offense.

I'm still a believer in the HR/deadballer approach. I think it's just about getting good enough value in the draft, which has gotten tougher over time.

It feels like this is the best draft I've had in a long time, but I guess we'll see.

Your offense looks sick. My big question in these leagues is that to win it all, you know you will have to go through deadballers (in the playoffs if nothing else) and if you rely too much on the HR, that could be a killer.

Such different strategy as compared with the limited player pool of the last draft. I remember being concerned about all the walks that Nomo would give up, but I figured that without hugely potent offenses, hopefully those wouldn't hurt as much. In that case I was right. Here you really need to pick your poison. No HRs but gives up hits, that could hurt against teams with high AVGs, give up some HRs but great everywhere else and a team like Sparty's will eat you alive. Every mistake here is magnified and you get punished big time, for it.

The one sim that really threw me off was the RBI baseball sim. IIRC Hoos won with a team that didn't hit for any power. I thought his team was going to be awful.

Speaking of that, best wishes to Hoos and his family.

 

[Kraft...]

Bogy takes

12.04 Ozzie Smith SS 80's

 

[Doctor Detroit]

12.02 Tommy Holmes OF 40's

It was him or Thome for me, but I would have took him if he got back to me.

 

[SoCalBroncoFan]

It is going to be really hard to do rankings this time. I am basically accounting for all the value a player provides, so when someone drafts Reb Russell to be a setup guy, they get more credit than they should. Once we get into the late rounds and people are taking 500+ PA guys as backups, it will get pretty skewed.

I can raise the replacement level I'm using. I'm not sure what the negative effects of that would be.

As of right now I just built the first draft of the rankings and this is what I've got. Keep in mind some teams have 10 and some have 11. This is up to whoever was picked before Gorman Thomas.

1, Sparty 1024

2. RNR 1006

3. jfranco 969

4. SNC 967

5. Avoid 958

---

22. Socal 660

23. Arsenal 650

24. Larry 617

Why do your rankings always hate me? Is it because my guys have no power? Do I just suck at this? I always seem to do ok when the season rolls around...

 

[AcerFC]

Thanks eephus