***OFFICIAL Yankees offseason thread*** (4 Viewers)

[Alias]

I'm a fan of Hank the Tank as dude has the guy has the aura of a 16 year old who just got the keys to daddy's new Porsche and is now driving back and forth in front of the high school at 120mph to make sure everyone notices him.

Exactly and that's not such a good thing:1) he shouldn't peg Chamberlain in the rotation so hastily. To call him "wasted" in the 'pen is the height of ignorance and stupidity. Has he forgotten what a black hole the bridge to Rivera had been for the last 6 or so years? And now they're handing the keys to that role to Farnsworth. 2) there was no point to putting a deadline on the Santana deal. He could have said this is our best offer and left it at that. Then he could have pulled it if circumstances arose (another deal, for example). To do what he did isn't the height of ignorance, but it's the height of arrogance...and I'm personally glad they didn't deal for Santana.I'd bet Cashman is probably cringing at this shooting from the hip. Oh, well, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree...

I don't think Cashman was high on Santana.

 

[Reaper]

Out of all the NY Sports radio personalities, I've kinda taken a liking to Max Kellerman......

I agree with what he's been saying that the dynamic between Cashman and Hank is a beautiful thing - The kid with all the money like Icon says with a bit of a checks and balances thing with Cashman.

BTW also like Brandon Tierney

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Out of all the NY Sports radio personalities, I've kinda taken a liking to Max Kellerman......

Went to my high school... to Hunter College High School

 

[Reaper]

Out of all the NY Sports radio personalities, I've kinda taken a liking to Max Kellerman......

Went to my high school... to Hunter College High School

At 1st I HATED him with the whole Soldier thing I probably don't get yet.. And it KILLED me when I'd tune in and he'd talk about Comic book characters for 20 minutes ....I guess I like his Yankee Fan Angle.

 

[shadyridr]

I'm a fan of Hank the Tank as dude has the guy has the aura of a 16 year old who just got the keys to daddy's new Porsche and is now driving back and forth in front of the high school at 120mph to make sure everyone notices him.

Exactly and that's not such a good thing:1) he shouldn't peg Chamberlain in the rotation so hastily. To call him "wasted" in the 'pen is the height of ignorance and stupidity. Has he forgotten what a black hole the bridge to Rivera had been for the last 6 or so years? And now they're handing the keys to that role to Farnsworth. 2) there was no point to putting a deadline on the Santana deal. He could have said this is our best offer and left it at that. Then he could have pulled it if circumstances arose (another deal, for example). To do what he did isn't the height of ignorance, but it's the height of arrogance...and I'm personally glad they didn't deal for Santana.I'd bet Cashman is probably cringing at this shooting from the hip. Oh, well, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree...

Hank has no say in where Joba pitches. That being said it may turn out that Joba is better served in the bullpen but hes been a starter since college so I see no reason to try him out there and if he fails put him into the bullpen. Alot easier to make that switch than the other way around.

 

[shadyridr]

Out of all the NY Sports radio personalities, I've kinda taken a liking to Max Kellerman......

Went to my high school... to Hunter College High School

At 1st I HATED him with the whole Soldier thing I probably don't get yet.. And it KILLED me when I'd tune in and he'd talk about Comic book characters for 20 minutes ....I guess I like his Yankee Fan Angle.

I hate him. He thinks Bernie, O'Neill and Posada are all HOFer locks.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Out of all the NY Sports radio personalities, I've kinda taken a liking to Max Kellerman......

Went to my high school... to Hunter College High School

At 1st I HATED him with the whole Soldier thing I probably don't get yet.. And it KILLED me when I'd tune in and he'd talk about Comic book characters for 20 minutes ....I guess I like his Yankee Fan Angle.

Really smart guy, knows a ton about a lot of different stuff...Has an incredible amount of boxing knowledge, current and historical, for a pretty young guy....

 

[Balco]

Any rumored bullpen help for the Yankees? I saw Riske signed with the Brewers for a fair deal. Yanks have been pretty quiet on this front, and I think with the youth in the rotation, they will need to rely on their pen even more. I still think Joba will be in the pen before the 2008 season is over.

 

[shadyridr]

Any rumored bullpen help for the Yankees? I saw Riske signed with the Brewers for a fair deal. Yanks have been pretty quiet on this front, and I think with the youth in the rotation, they will need to rely on their pen even more. I still think Joba will be in the pen before the 2008 season is over.

Their pen is a disaster. I heard they were trying to resign Viz and I also heard they were interested in Ron Mahay but other than that Cash has said Farns is the setup man and theyre gonna use a bunch of their kids in the pen. Its atrocious.

 

[Balco]

Any rumored bullpen help for the Yankees? I saw Riske signed with the Brewers for a fair deal. Yanks have been pretty quiet on this front, and I think with the youth in the rotation, they will need to rely on their pen even more. I still think Joba will be in the pen before the 2008 season is over.

Their pen is a disaster. I heard they were trying to resign Viz and I also heard they were interested in Ron Mahay but other than that Cash has said Farns is the setup man and theyre gonna use a bunch of their kids in the pen. Its atrocious.

I thought they would make a play for Riske or Linebrenk. Mahay is a solid reliever, but he is 36 and will likely command a multiyear deal. I still don't know how they can keep Joba out of the pen.

 

[shadyridr]

Any rumored bullpen help for the Yankees? I saw Riske signed with the Brewers for a fair deal. Yanks have been pretty quiet on this front, and I think with the youth in the rotation, they will need to rely on their pen even more. I still think Joba will be in the pen before the 2008 season is over.

Their pen is a disaster. I heard they were trying to resign Viz and I also heard they were interested in Ron Mahay but other than that Cash has said Farns is the setup man and theyre gonna use a bunch of their kids in the pen. Its atrocious.

I thought they would make a play for Riske or Linebrenk. Mahay is a solid reliever, but he is 36 and will likely command a multiyear deal. I still don't know how they can keep Joba out of the pen.

Linebrink was a class A free agent meaning they wouldve had to give up a 1st rd pick to sign him. Im not sure about Riske.

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

Matsui to the Giants rumors buzzing a bit today from Peter Abraham's blog.

I wonder if theres a way to put IPK with Matsui and bag a Lincecum. Hell, if they entertained dumping him for Rios, I've got to think that would be alluring. Then sign ####udome to maintain your Japanese profile and hopefully he pans out as a stick.

 

[shadyridr]

Matsui to the Giants rumors buzzing a bit today from Peter Abraham's blog.I wonder if theres a way to put IPK with Matsui and bag a Lincecum. Hell, if they entertained dumping him for Rios, I've got to think that would be alluring. Then sign ####udome to maintain your Japanese profile and hopefully he pans out as a stick.

Matsui has a no trade clause

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

Matsui to the Giants rumors buzzing a bit today from Peter Abraham's blog.I wonder if theres a way to put IPK with Matsui and bag a Lincecum. Hell, if they entertained dumping him for Rios, I've got to think that would be alluring. Then sign ####udome to maintain your Japanese profile and hopefully he pans out as a stick.

Matsui has a no trade clause

Abraham reports he would waive it, San Fran is 3000 miles closer to Japan and has a sizable Japanese population.Cashman has issued a "no comment" as opposed to a denial.

 

[shadyridr]

Wow imagine they can work out some kind of deal for Lincecum and then flip him and some more for Santana? Or How bout a rotation of Hughes, Lincecum, Chamberlain, Wang, Pettitte I can dream

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

Wow imagine they can work out some kind of deal for Lincecum and then flip him and some more for Santana? Or How bout a rotation of Hughes, Lincecum, Chamberlain, Wang, Pettitte I can dream

Before we dream too heartily(and I'm with you in wishing), currently the buzz is mentioning Noah Lowry, who like a Rich Man's Brad Halsey. I would NOT do that deal.

 

[shadyridr]

Wow imagine they can work out some kind of deal for Lincecum and then flip him and some more for Santana? Or How bout a rotation of Hughes, Lincecum, Chamberlain, Wang, Pettitte I can dream

Before we dream too heartily(and I'm with you in wishing), currently the buzz is mentioning Noah Lowry, who like a Rich Man's Brad Halsey. I would NOT do that deal.

Jesus I would not do that deal at all. He would be our 7th starter.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Kennedy and Matsui for Lowry?

GTFOH

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

Kennedy and Matsui for Lowry?GTFOH

No, Matsui for Lowry +.Concievibly Cash would want something more substantial. I threw out the IPK plus Matsu for one of their Big 2.Jonathan Sanchez is an intersting name, 25 year old lefty reliever who stuck out 62 in 52 innings with 28 walks. 1.63 whip though, but he is an intersting property.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Kennedy and Matsui for Lowry?GTFOH

No, Matsui for Lowry +.Concievibly Cash would want something more substantial. I threw out the IPK plus Matsu for one of their Big 2.Jonathan Sanchez is an intersting name, 25 year old lefty reliever who stuck out 62 in 52 innings with 28 walks. 1.63 whip though, but he is an intersting property.

That's a ton of walks...Almost 5 per 9/IP

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

Kennedy and Matsui for Lowry?GTFOH

No, Matsui for Lowry +.Concievibly Cash would want something more substantial. I threw out the IPK plus Matsu for one of their Big 2.Jonathan Sanchez is an intersting name, 25 year old lefty reliever who stuck out 62 in 52 innings with 28 walks. 1.63 whip though, but he is an intersting property.

That's a ton of walks...Almost 5 per 9/IP

Sometimes lefty straighten out later.I'm not saying build the deal around him, but under Eiland's tutiledge, maybe he can be something.Its the kind of guy I'd rather be looking too as opposed to Ron "The Retread" Mahay.

 

[Liquid Tension]

I'm a fan of Hank the Tank as dude has the guy has the aura of a 16 year old who just got the keys to daddy's new Porsche and is now driving back and forth in front of the high school at 120mph to make sure everyone notices him.

Exactly and that's not such a good thing:1) he shouldn't peg Chamberlain in the rotation so hastily. To call him "wasted" in the 'pen is the height of ignorance and stupidity. Has he forgotten what a black hole the bridge to Rivera had been for the last 6 or so years? And now they're handing the keys to that role to Farnsworth. 2) there was no point to putting a deadline on the Santana deal. He could have said this is our best offer and left it at that. Then he could have pulled it if circumstances arose (another deal, for example). To do what he did isn't the height of ignorance, but it's the height of arrogance...and I'm personally glad they didn't deal for Santana.I'd bet Cashman is probably cringing at this shooting from the hip. Oh, well, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree...

Hank has no say in where Joba pitches. That being said it may turn out that Joba is better served in the bullpen but hes been a starter since college so I see no reason to try him out there and if he fails put him into the bullpen. Alot easier to make that switch than the other way around.

Let's not forget the greater value at being a starter. There is a large difference in pitching 180 IP compared to 90 IP even if the 90 might be more meaningful. Also, if he is great, he becomes even more valuable as a postseason starter.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Wow imagine they can work out some kind of deal for Lincecum and then flip him and some more for Santana? Or How bout a rotation of Hughes, Lincecum, Chamberlain, Wang, Pettitte I can dream

Before we dream too heartily(and I'm with you in wishing), currently the buzz is mentioning Noah Lowry, who like a Rich Man's Brad Halsey. I would NOT do that deal.

First regarding Albaladejo, his numbers in AAA and at the majors last year were very good. Prior they were mediocre. I have no idea if he is any good or not, but he is a righty and that is of much less use to the Yanks.As for Lowry, he is a lefty and if he can get lefties out (as a specialist) that is very important to the Yanks. A look at 2007 would show that he did a great job at getting lefties out. His OPS against was a minuscule .550. I was very happy to see that. However, then I looked at the previous year and saw that his OPS against was .943 against lefties. Ouch, that to me says he is fairly worthless especially coming from the NL. For the last 3 years he has an OPS against of .698 against lefties and .751 against righties. Not what the Yanks need.Trading Matsui would make sense for the Yanks, but they need some specialists. They could use a righty hitter who crushes lefties, a lefty out of the pen that dominates lefties, a defensive stud at 1st base and one guy on the bench who is an Olympic track star (specialists). I am hoping that 1st base will be OK with Duncan against lefties and some righties with Giambi seeing a little work there as well.

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

Wow imagine they can work out some kind of deal for Lincecum and then flip him and some more for Santana? Or How bout a rotation of Hughes, Lincecum, Chamberlain, Wang, Pettitte I can dream

Before we dream too heartily(and I'm with you in wishing), currently the buzz is mentioning Noah Lowry, who like a Rich Man's Brad Halsey. I would NOT do that deal.

First regarding Albaladejo, his numbers in AAA and at the majors last year were very good. Prior they were mediocre. I have no idea if he is any good or not, but he is a righty and that is of much less use to the Yanks.As for Lowry, he is a lefty and if he can get lefties out (as a specialist) that is very important to the Yanks. A look at 2007 would show that he did a great job at getting lefties out. His OPS against was a minuscule .550. I was very happy to see that. However, then I looked at the previous year and saw that his OPS against was .943 against lefties. Ouch, that to me says he is fairly worthless especially coming from the NL. For the last 3 years he has an OPS against of .698 against lefties and .751 against righties. Not what the Yanks need.Trading Matsui would make sense for the Yanks, but they need some specialists. They could use a righty hitter who crushes lefties, a lefty out of the pen that dominates lefties, a defensive stud at 1st base and one guy on the bench who is an Olympic track star (specialists). I am hoping that 1st base will be OK with Duncan against lefties and some righties with Giambi seeing a little work there as well.

You can't dump Matsui for a lefty specialist out of the pen.Unless it was Brian Fuentes, then maybe you've got me, but anyone else, you simply need more value.Everything I've seen presumes Lowry as a starter, as I get the vibe at least one of the big three will start the season in the minors. Between rainouts and the April off days, there won't be a 5th starter need early on anyway.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Wow imagine they can work out some kind of deal for Lincecum and then flip him and some more for Santana? Or How bout a rotation of Hughes, Lincecum, Chamberlain, Wang, Pettitte I can dream

Before we dream too heartily(and I'm with you in wishing), currently the buzz is mentioning Noah Lowry, who like a Rich Man's Brad Halsey. I would NOT do that deal.

First regarding Albaladejo, his numbers in AAA and at the majors last year were very good. Prior they were mediocre. I have no idea if he is any good or not, but he is a righty and that is of much less use to the Yanks.As for Lowry, he is a lefty and if he can get lefties out (as a specialist) that is very important to the Yanks. A look at 2007 would show that he did a great job at getting lefties out. His OPS against was a minuscule .550. I was very happy to see that. However, then I looked at the previous year and saw that his OPS against was .943 against lefties. Ouch, that to me says he is fairly worthless especially coming from the NL. For the last 3 years he has an OPS against of .698 against lefties and .751 against righties. Not what the Yanks need.Trading Matsui would make sense for the Yanks, but they need some specialists. They could use a righty hitter who crushes lefties, a lefty out of the pen that dominates lefties, a defensive stud at 1st base and one guy on the bench who is an Olympic track star (specialists). I am hoping that 1st base will be OK with Duncan against lefties and some righties with Giambi seeing a little work there as well.

You can't dump Matsui for a lefty specialist out of the pen.Unless it was Brian Fuentes, then maybe you've got me, but anyone else, you simply need more value.Everything I've seen presumes Lowry as a starter, as I get the vibe at least one of the big three will start the season in the minors. Between rainouts and the April off days, there won't be a 5th starter need early on anyway.

I am not suggesting that the Yankees Trade matsui for a lefty specialist (although if you take dollars into account if you could get someone valuable with the dollars saved it may have merit). All I am saying is that the Yankees need a left handed specialist very bad and Matsui and/or Damon can be expendable to get the right mix of players back. We know the Yanks have too many DH types so it makes sense to explore trades and maybe restock some minor leaguers if the Yanks ever do pull off a trade for Santana.

 

[Capella]

at Kennedy and Matsui for Linecum

Yankee fans, STOP

 

[shadyridr]

at Kennedy and Matsui for LinecumYankee fans, STOP

We're all admitting its a pipe dream

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

at Kennedy and Matsui for LinecumYankee fans, STOP

If they would move him for Rios, why is this such insanity, given IPK's upside?

 

[Capella]

at Kennedy and Matsui for LinecumYankee fans, STOP

If they would move him for Rios, why is this such insanity, given IPK's upside?

Because Matsui is old, expensive, not really projecting to be all that great in the future and Linecum >>>>>>>>>>> Kennedy. Step back and ask....why would SF make that move?

 

[commisholio]

at Kennedy and Matsui for LinecumYankee fans, STOP

If they would move him for Rios, why is this such insanity, given IPK's upside?

Because Matsui is old, expensive, not really projecting to be all that great in the future and Linecum >>>>>>>>>>> Kennedy. Step back and ask....why would SF make that move?

Giants fans would riot.

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

at Kennedy and Matsui for LinecumYankee fans, STOP

If they would move him for Rios, why is this such insanity, given IPK's upside?

Because Matsui is old, expensive, not really projecting to be all that great in the future and Linecum >>>>>>>>>>> Kennedy. Step back and ask....why would SF make that move?

SF makes that move because there are rumblings that Sabean is open to moving Lincecum especially. Intrinsically, I agree with your extreme skepticism of the deal, but apparently Sabean had to be talked out of moving him for Rios. The offense which is basically nonexistent lost Feliz and Bonds. In Matsui, he's a consistent stick, who'll probably improve going to the NL, and he might also help out at the gate based on the large Japanese population in SF and its closer plane ride from Japan itself. Kennedy, while a step down from Lincecum, is a definate B prospect to Lincecum's A prospect status, and he eases the blow of losing him. Longshot to be certain, but if you were open to moving him, and the Yanks picked up some Hideki cash, I don't think its insane.

 

[Balco]

at Kennedy and Matsui for LinecumYankee fans, STOP

If they would move him for Rios, why is this such insanity, given IPK's upside?

Because Matsui is old, expensive, not really projecting to be all that great in the future and Linecum >>>>>>>>>>> Kennedy. Step back and ask....why would SF make that move?

SF makes that move because there are rumblings that Sabean is open to moving Lincecum especially. Intrinsically, I agree with your extreme skepticism of the deal, but apparently Sabean had to be talked out of moving him for Rios. The offense which is basically nonexistent lost Feliz and Bonds. In Matsui, he's a consistent stick, who'll probably improve going to the NL, and he might also help out at the gate based on the large Japanese population in SF and its closer plane ride from Japan itself. Kennedy, while a step down from Lincecum, is a definate B prospect to Lincecum's A prospect status, and he eases the blow of losing him. Longshot to be certain, but if you were open to moving him, and the Yanks picked up some Hideki cash, I don't think its insane.

I think the major reason this makes no sense is Matsui is 34. If the Giants are to trade pitching of the caliber of a Lincecum, they need young hitting. That deal wouldn't make any sense for them.

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

at Kennedy and Matsui for LinecumYankee fans, STOP

If they would move him for Rios, why is this such insanity, given IPK's upside?

Because Matsui is old, expensive, not really projecting to be all that great in the future and Linecum >>>>>>>>>>> Kennedy. Step back and ask....why would SF make that move?

SF makes that move because there are rumblings that Sabean is open to moving Lincecum especially. Intrinsically, I agree with your extreme skepticism of the deal, but apparently Sabean had to be talked out of moving him for Rios. The offense which is basically nonexistent lost Feliz and Bonds. In Matsui, he's a consistent stick, who'll probably improve going to the NL, and he might also help out at the gate based on the large Japanese population in SF and its closer plane ride from Japan itself. Kennedy, while a step down from Lincecum, is a definate B prospect to Lincecum's A prospect status, and he eases the blow of losing him. Longshot to be certain, but if you were open to moving him, and the Yanks picked up some Hideki cash, I don't think its insane.

I think the major reason this makes no sense is Matsui is 34. If the Giants are to trade pitching of the caliber of a Lincecum, they need young hitting. That deal wouldn't make any sense for them.

I agree, I'm only hoping to capialize on some poor judgement. I would think Lincecum would open up to the finest position prospects or 1st or 2nd year players out there, and Rios WAYYYY down that list.He's probably the only guy I've move Cano for personally, but that move doesn't wash. Age hasn't mattered much to Sabean recently, he kept the Bonds train rollin, kept Ray Durham and Omar Visquel employed, Moises Alou before that. One last time, I'll say this is in the realm of the highly unlikely, but IPK is at least some quality youth return if they were interested in Matsui.

 

[Balco]

at Kennedy and Matsui for LinecumYankee fans, STOP

If they would move him for Rios, why is this such insanity, given IPK's upside?

Because Matsui is old, expensive, not really projecting to be all that great in the future and Linecum >>>>>>>>>>> Kennedy. Step back and ask....why would SF make that move?

SF makes that move because there are rumblings that Sabean is open to moving Lincecum especially. Intrinsically, I agree with your extreme skepticism of the deal, but apparently Sabean had to be talked out of moving him for Rios. The offense which is basically nonexistent lost Feliz and Bonds. In Matsui, he's a consistent stick, who'll probably improve going to the NL, and he might also help out at the gate based on the large Japanese population in SF and its closer plane ride from Japan itself. Kennedy, while a step down from Lincecum, is a definate B prospect to Lincecum's A prospect status, and he eases the blow of losing him. Longshot to be certain, but if you were open to moving him, and the Yanks picked up some Hideki cash, I don't think its insane.

I think the major reason this makes no sense is Matsui is 34. If the Giants are to trade pitching of the caliber of a Lincecum, they need young hitting. That deal wouldn't make any sense for them.

I agree, I'm only hoping to capialize on some poor judgement. I would think Lincecum would open up to the finest position prospects or 1st or 2nd year players out there, and Rios WAYYYY down that list.He's probably the only guy I've move Cano for personally, but that move doesn't wash. Age hasn't mattered much to Sabean recently, he kept the Bonds train rollin, kept Ray Durham and Omar Visquel employed, Moises Alou before that. One last time, I'll say this is in the realm of the highly unlikely, but IPK is at least some quality youth return if they were interested in Matsui.

I think the smart thing for Sabean to do is just keep his young pitching this season, go through the year with those old timers, and try to trade a few at the trade deadline.Just look at that O:Bengie Molina -33Richa Aurillia-36Ray Durham - 36Omar Vizquel - 40Randy Winn - 33Dave ROberts - 35They have a solid young pitching nucleus, especially 2 potentioal # 1's in Cain and Lincecum. Lowry is a solid starter, and Zito is . . . well . . . a horrible investment.

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

at Kennedy and Matsui for LinecumYankee fans, STOP

If they would move him for Rios, why is this such insanity, given IPK's upside?

Because Matsui is old, expensive, not really projecting to be all that great in the future and Linecum >>>>>>>>>>> Kennedy. Step back and ask....why would SF make that move?

SF makes that move because there are rumblings that Sabean is open to moving Lincecum especially. Intrinsically, I agree with your extreme skepticism of the deal, but apparently Sabean had to be talked out of moving him for Rios. The offense which is basically nonexistent lost Feliz and Bonds. In Matsui, he's a consistent stick, who'll probably improve going to the NL, and he might also help out at the gate based on the large Japanese population in SF and its closer plane ride from Japan itself. Kennedy, while a step down from Lincecum, is a definate B prospect to Lincecum's A prospect status, and he eases the blow of losing him. Longshot to be certain, but if you were open to moving him, and the Yanks picked up some Hideki cash, I don't think its insane.

I think the major reason this makes no sense is Matsui is 34. If the Giants are to trade pitching of the caliber of a Lincecum, they need young hitting. That deal wouldn't make any sense for them.

I agree, I'm only hoping to capialize on some poor judgement. I would think Lincecum would open up to the finest position prospects or 1st or 2nd year players out there, and Rios WAYYYY down that list.He's probably the only guy I've move Cano for personally, but that move doesn't wash. Age hasn't mattered much to Sabean recently, he kept the Bonds train rollin, kept Ray Durham and Omar Visquel employed, Moises Alou before that. One last time, I'll say this is in the realm of the highly unlikely, but IPK is at least some quality youth return if they were interested in Matsui.

I think the smart thing for Sabean to do is just keep his young pitching this season, go through the year with those old timers, and try to trade a few at the trade deadline.Just look at that O:Bengie Molina -33Richa Aurillia-36Ray Durham - 36Omar Vizquel - 40Randy Winn - 33Dave ROberts - 35They have a solid young pitching nucleus, especially 2 potentioal # 1's in Cain and Lincecum. Lowry is a solid starter, and Zito is . . . well . . . a horrible investment.

What are the odds of bagging one of these kids in any deal if you take that Zito contract off their hands? He's absolute garbage, but maybe he could do something in the AL.

 

[Balco]

at Kennedy and Matsui for LinecumYankee fans, STOP

If they would move him for Rios, why is this such insanity, given IPK's upside?

Because Matsui is old, expensive, not really projecting to be all that great in the future and Linecum >>>>>>>>>>> Kennedy. Step back and ask....why would SF make that move?

SF makes that move because there are rumblings that Sabean is open to moving Lincecum especially. Intrinsically, I agree with your extreme skepticism of the deal, but apparently Sabean had to be talked out of moving him for Rios. The offense which is basically nonexistent lost Feliz and Bonds. In Matsui, he's a consistent stick, who'll probably improve going to the NL, and he might also help out at the gate based on the large Japanese population in SF and its closer plane ride from Japan itself. Kennedy, while a step down from Lincecum, is a definate B prospect to Lincecum's A prospect status, and he eases the blow of losing him. Longshot to be certain, but if you were open to moving him, and the Yanks picked up some Hideki cash, I don't think its insane.

I think the major reason this makes no sense is Matsui is 34. If the Giants are to trade pitching of the caliber of a Lincecum, they need young hitting. That deal wouldn't make any sense for them.

I agree, I'm only hoping to capialize on some poor judgement. I would think Lincecum would open up to the finest position prospects or 1st or 2nd year players out there, and Rios WAYYYY down that list.He's probably the only guy I've move Cano for personally, but that move doesn't wash. Age hasn't mattered much to Sabean recently, he kept the Bonds train rollin, kept Ray Durham and Omar Visquel employed, Moises Alou before that. One last time, I'll say this is in the realm of the highly unlikely, but IPK is at least some quality youth return if they were interested in Matsui.

I think the smart thing for Sabean to do is just keep his young pitching this season, go through the year with those old timers, and try to trade a few at the trade deadline.Just look at that O:Bengie Molina -33Richa Aurillia-36Ray Durham - 36Omar Vizquel - 40Randy Winn - 33Dave ROberts - 35They have a solid young pitching nucleus, especially 2 potentioal # 1's in Cain and Lincecum. Lowry is a solid starter, and Zito is . . . well . . . a horrible investment.

What are the odds of bagging one of these kids in any deal if you take that Zito contract off their hands? He's absolute garbage, but maybe he could do something in the AL.

I am sure it would be huge, but that Zito contract is just horrible. Zito's skills were declining for the pas several years. No idea why the Giants gave him that contract. Who would want to take him and that contract?

 

[Liquid Tension]

at Kennedy and Matsui for LinecumYankee fans, STOP

If they would move him for Rios, why is this such insanity, given IPK's upside?

Because Matsui is old, expensive, not really projecting to be all that great in the future and Linecum >>>>>>>>>>> Kennedy. Step back and ask....why would SF make that move?

Not talking about the deal, but your comments about Matsui are off base. I don't believe 33 is OLD anymore considering Manny is 35 and players are playing later and later. Overall Matsui's .855 OPS was 2nd in the AL for LF'rs (behind Manny)and 6th in the AL for all OFr's. matsui had a 2nd half OPS of .892 with a sore knee that he kept playing through. I am not saying what Matsui is worth, but I am saying he is worth a lot more than you make him out to be and clearly has value.

 

[Balco]

Yankees close to signing Latroy Hawkins - 1 year 3.85 mil

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Should replace Luis Vizcaino. Don't think it is much of an upgrade, moving back to the AL will not do Hawkins any good.

But this is a low risk signing by the Yanks. 1 year deal. They still badly need an 8th inning bridge to Rivera.

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

Yankees close to signing Latroy Hawkins - 1 year 3.85 mil

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Should replace Luis Vizcaino. Don't think it is much of an upgrade, moving back to the AL will not do Hawkins any good.

But this is a low risk signing by the Yanks. 1 year deal. They still badly need an 8th inning bridge to Rivera.

Good signing given the market. Latroy is a HR waiting to happen, but he'll be the innings eater out there.Very curious to see how Girardi handles and builds the pen, probably the most intriguing aspect to his tenure.

 

[shadyridr]

Viz wanted a 3 yr deal, Yanks didnt wanna give a long deal. 1 yr is reasonable for LaTroy

 

[Michael Brown]

Viz wanted a 3 yr deal, Yanks didnt wanna give a long deal. 1 yr is reasonable for LaTroy

I disagree here. "Good signing given the market" is a term that should be reserved for teams who have to watch every last dollar and make moves based upon that bottom line. Did we not see enough from Kyle Farnsworth that we HAD to get another pitcher just like him? I'd rather go with a no-name who throws hard that MIGHT have movement on his fastball and a second pitch, rather than trot a guy like Hawkins out there for the first 2 1/2 months of the season before putting him on waivers just before the All-Star game.I suppose we can expect the signings of Armando Benitez and Jose Capellan any day now.

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

Viz wanted a 3 yr deal, Yanks didnt wanna give a long deal. 1 yr is reasonable for LaTroy

I disagree here. "Good signing given the market" is a term that should be reserved for teams who have to watch every last dollar and make moves based upon that bottom line. Did we not see enough from Kyle Farnsworth that we HAD to get another pitcher just like him? I'd rather go with a no-name who throws hard that MIGHT have movement on his fastball and a second pitch, rather than trot a guy like Hawkins out there for the first 2 1/2 months of the season before putting him on waivers just before the All-Star game.I suppose we can expect the signings of Armando Benitez and Jose Capellan any day now.

I don't think they are crying poverty, the Viz, who I like, is also an aging reliever with a lot of miles on him, who you simply can't commit 3 or 14 years at between 14 to 19 million to. You can not do this.LaTroy is nothing, but he'll be an important guy bridging that 6th and 7th from the kids to whoever is handling the 8th inning, who definately won't Farns.Viz had 3 good months last year, one of them bordering on great, but he also had 3 garbage months last year, and he missed time with a sore elbow. As it stands, Hawkins got a deal that was less than Farns AAV, so what can you? If Ron Mahay is looking at a 12 million dollar deal, Latroy for under 4 is a deal.

 

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Hawkins is a better than league average reliever who actually had a very solid year pitching for Colorado last season...

 

[shadyridr]

Viz wanted a 3 yr deal, Yanks didnt wanna give a long deal. 1 yr is reasonable for LaTroy

I disagree here. "Good signing given the market" is a term that should be reserved for teams who have to watch every last dollar and make moves based upon that bottom line. Did we not see enough from Kyle Farnsworth that we HAD to get another pitcher just like him? I'd rather go with a no-name who throws hard that MIGHT have movement on his fastball and a second pitch, rather than trot a guy like Hawkins out there for the first 2 1/2 months of the season before putting him on waivers just before the All-Star game.I suppose we can expect the signings of Armando Benitez and Jose Capellan any day now.

You yourself say that it would be easy to waive him if he doesnt pitch well. Sounds like a good risk to me.

 

[shadyridr]

Either way the Yanks bullpen is gonna suck next year. We're looking at Hawkins, Farnsworth, possibly Mahay, Rivera, and a bunch of young kids of which none really impressed me except for Jose Veras. Im thinking Veras, Ohlendorf, and one of Ramirez, Britton, Henn stick.

 

[shadyridr]

Are there no good bullpen arms on bad teams next year? I would think trading a B level prospect for a solid reliever on a bad team makes sense for both teams. Perhaps trade Horne, Marquez, or Gardner.

 

[Capella]

Are there no good bullpen arms on bad teams next year? I would think trading a B level prospect for a solid reliever on a bad team makes sense for both teams. Perhaps trade Horne, Marquez, or Gardner.

Solid relievers have much more value than mediocre prospects.

 

[TLEF316]

ramirez looked amazing a couple of times last year. I would think he still has som upside, no? From what i saw of him, he had some pretty good stuff.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Ramirez has one pitch, that crazy changeup of his...

The problem is that he ONLY throws that pitch, so hitters are able to time it...

And then it becomes an 80 mph batting practice pitch...

He needs to throw his fastball, even if it is not that great, so that the changeup is a change of speeds...

I don't have much faith that he will ever amount to a consistent reliever...

 

[TLEF316]

Ramirez has one pitch, that crazy changeup of his...

The problem is that he ONLY throws that pitch, so hitters are able to time it...

And then it becomes an 80 mph batting practice pitch...

He needs to throw his fastball, even if it is not that great, so that the changeup is a change of speeds...

I don't have much faith that he will ever amount to a consistent reliever...

yeah, that changeup was the pitch i was talking about. It is filthy.