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Verlander gets his contract (and he'll get his statue)March 29, 2013 2:27 pm ETSpring training had just begun. Felix Hernandez had just signed his mega-deal with the Mariners, but the early signs were that Justin Verlander's contract talks with the Tigers weren't off to a great start."He'll sign," one of his ex-teammates predicted, back in early February. "He wants a statue."Verlander smiled when I relayed the conversation to him a couple of days later.He told other reporters as the spring went on that he was intrigued by the idea of free agency, of having teams come after him. I'm sure he was, but I'm equally sure that statue was always in the back of his mind.He'll get it now.He's got his contract, the biggest ever given to a pitcher (at least for now). He'll get his statue at Comerica Park, right there next to the ones for Ty Cobb and Hank Greenberg, Al Kaline and Charlie Gehringer.You can argue today whether the Tigers are making too long of a guarantee to a pitcher who turned 30 last month and will turn 32 before his five-year extension even kicks in. You can also argue whether Verlander could have gotten even more money if he had waited two years and headed to free agency.What you can't argue is that Verlander has proven true to words about preferring to stay with one team for his entire career. And that Tigers owner Mike Ilitch has once again proven true to his reputation for spending what it takes to field the best team he can.Who knows if Verlander can still be the best when he reaches the end of this contract? You're always one pitch away from the end of your career, as pitchers like to say, a point driven home by Thursday night's disappointing news about Johan Santana (who once held the distinction of being baseball's highest-paid pitcher).We do know that if you asked baseball people which pitcher they'd most like to have starting for them on opening day, an awful high percentage would pick Justin Verlander. We do know that in the seven years since he first opened a season with the Tigers at age 22, Verlander's team has made it to the ALCS three times, and to the World Series twice.We know that he's always driven to be better, always driven to be the best. In the final days of spring training, I ran into Marlins pitching coach Chuck Hernandez, who was the Tigers' pitching coach in Verlander's first season.Even as a rookie, Hernandez remembered, Verlander had Hall of Fame aspirations.That's always been part of what makes him great, along with the 100 mph fastball, the often-unhittable curve, the outstanding changeup and even the more-recently-added slider. The best players put that superhuman talent together with a superhuman drive; Verlander has always had both.When he threw one no-hitter, he wanted to throw another one. When he became the first starting pitcher in years to win a Most Valuable Player award, he came back the next spring determined to have an even better year.And when he showed up at Comerica Park and saw those statues out there in left-center field, you'd better believe he was thinking that he wanted to prove he deserved one of them himself.He'll get one now. He's committed to the Tigers now through his age 36 season, which gives him seven more years to add to a legacy that already includes 124 wins (you bet he'd like to take a shot at 300), six straight 200-inning seasons (probably would have been seven if the Tigers had allowed him to do it as a rookie), three strikeout crowns in the last four years and first- and second-place finishes in the Cy Young voting the last two years.On the way to all that, he's thrown a ton of pitches, 1,000 more than any other pitcher in the game over the last six years (and that doesn't even include the postseason).Some would say that all those pitches will take a toll, that all those pitches are one more reason that he won't make it to the end of this contract as an elite pitcher, a reason that the Tigers shouldn't have signed him for this long or that other teams should actually be happy that they won't be able to bid for Verlander on the free-agent market.The problem with that theory is that Verlander has already proven he can do things other guys can't. Who's to say that can't continue?Besides, there's no doubting that right now, having Verlander atop their rotation makes the Tigers one of the elite teams in baseball, perhaps even the best. There's every reason to believe that will still be true two years from now.The Tigers had a choice. They could pay up by Verlander's opening day deadline, or they could take a major risk that after 2014, Verlander would be pitching (and winning) for somebody else.They couldn't sign Verlander to a shorter contract. Believe me, if they could have, they would have.Verlander had a choice, too. He could play it out and see if he could get even more, or he could sign now and commit to the Tigers.He could hope for more money, or he could go for a statue.The statue won out.
 
sounds like the Tigers will make history for coldest Twins opener, beating the record which was April 14, 1962, with an air temperature of 34F at the old Met Stadium. Monday's high will be near 31F, with a wind chill of 15-20F. tigers better bring there long johns

 
'RnR said:
'Doctor Detroit said:
'RnR said:
'Doctor Detroit said:
Tigers now will have $90 million tied up in Fielder, Miggy, Verlander and Dirty Sanchez in 2015.
Better win. And quickly.
They've won back to back division titles, and been to two consecutive ALCSs and one World Series. That's a lot of winning. :shrug:
I'm talking about The Big One.
Yes, I understand that and wholeheartedly agree, but winning it all in baseball might be the hardest sport to do it in. Ask the Twins, they went to the playoffs like ten straight years and one like one playoff game. That's why fans like Wooder##### jumped ship.
 
sounds like the Tigers will make history for coldest Twins opener, beating the record which was April 14, 1962, with an air temperature of 34F at the old Met Stadium. Monday's high will be near 31F, with a wind chill of 15-20F. tigers better bring there long johns
Twins should not have a home opener until after April 15th.
 
How many Tigers starters will have at least 15 wins?

Of course health could play a role, but I think all five will barring an extended injury.

 
How many Tigers starters will have at least 15 wins?Of course health could play a role, but I think all five will barring an extended injury.
Sure man.
It is highly unlikely all 5 starters will achieve it, but individually I would bet each one would. I would win 3 or 4 of those bets. Verlander is the only one with overwhelming odds at achieving that. The other 4 I would rate as better than average.

 
How many Tigers starters will have at least 15 wins?Of course health could play a role, but I think all five will barring an extended injury.
Sure man.
It is highly unlikely all 5 starters will achieve it, but individually I would bet each one would. I would win 3 or 4 of those bets. Verlander is the only one with overwhelming odds at achieving that. The other 4 I would rate as better than average.
Wins are fairly hard to predict because there are too many outside factors. Tigers could blow a ton of saves and cost Verlander five wins or he could have six games where the team only gives him one run, who knows.

I actually don't think this BPBC will blow nearly as many saves as people might think though, I think they'll be ok.

 
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How many Tigers starters will have at least 15 wins?Of course health could play a role, but I think all five will barring an extended injury.
Sure man.
It is highly unlikely all 5 starters will achieve it, but individually I would bet each one would. I would win 3 or 4 of those bets. Verlander is the only one with overwhelming odds at achieving that. The other 4 I would rate as better than average.
That's nice, but that's not what you initially said. You said "I think all five will barring an extended." Apparently when pressed you agree the chances are about nil they'll all have 15+ wins.

You really think Porcello has any shot of winning 15 games?

 
How many Tigers starters will have at least 15 wins?Of course health could play a role, but I think all five will barring an extended injury.
Sure man.
It is highly unlikely all 5 starters will achieve it, but individually I would bet each one would. I would win 3 or 4 of those bets. Verlander is the only one with overwhelming odds at achieving that. The other 4 I would rate as better than average.
That's nice, but that's not what you initially said. You said "I think all five will barring an extended." Apparently when pressed you agree the chances are about nil they'll all have 15+ wins.

You really think Porcello has any shot of winning 15 games?
Porcello has won 14 games two different times, it's not really a stretch to think he might do it again.

 
How many Tigers starters will have at least 15 wins?Of course health could play a role, but I think all five will barring an extended injury.
Sure man.
It is highly unlikely all 5 starters will achieve it, but individually I would bet each one would. I would win 3 or 4 of those bets. Verlander is the only one with overwhelming odds at achieving that. The other 4 I would rate as better than average.
That's nice, but that's not what you initially said. You said "I think all five will barring an extended." Apparently when pressed you agree the chances are about nil they'll all have 15+ wins. You really think Porcello has any shot of winning 15 games?
It was poorly worded, but I meant I expect each individually to win 15 games. Collectively all winning 15 games is a long shot, but far greater than nil. More like 10 percent. Given the way Porcello has looked, I would take an even money bet on him. Detroit's top 6 pitchers could start for any team in baseball. A lot of teams will regret not trading for Porcello when they had a chance.
 
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Doctor Detroit said:
Outside of the cold and Drew Smyly, I think we can call that a successful opening day result. :towelwave:
After the game Tori Hunter said it was the coldest game he has ever played in. Said he could not feel his hands or feet when he was in the field. Said a couple of opening days in Cleveland and at old Tiger Stadium were bad but nothing like yesterday.

 
Just one three before I die. Is it too much to ask?
:unsure: ...but you never forget your first, although the memories of '68 are faint.

Nice start for the team! An opening day win for JV is a good sign.

And I could see the starting 5 each winning 15.

 
Did you guys see the Escobar double? I don't think you did. The ball should have been caught, AJAX should have called for it and it would have been a tie game. Coke was the guy with the two switch hitters and Mauer, but Leyland needs to go to Dotel if Coke is failing there. But a single and a fly ball that should have been caught is what it is, Coke didn't exactly implode and Benoit didn't help him by walking the leadoff guy.

Team loss, score two runs against scrubs and you don't deserve to win. MLB is also idiotic for scheduling these two teams while having the Texas teams play one another. How hard is it to start the season on a 6 game road trip to warmer climates? Stupid.

 
Did you guys see the Escobar double? I don't think you did. The ball should have been caught, AJAX should have called for it and it would have been a tie game. Coke was the guy with the two switch hitters and Mauer, but Leyland needs to go to Dotel if Coke is failing there. But a single and a fly ball that should have been caught is what it is, Coke didn't exactly implode and Benoit didn't help him by walking the leadoff guy. Team loss, score two runs against scrubs and you don't deserve to win. MLB is also idiotic for scheduling these two teams while having the Texas teams play one another. How hard is it to start the season on a 6 game road trip to warmer climates? Stupid.
I saw it and agree it should have been caught, but either way it would have been a blown save and nothing Coke did changes my mind that he doesn't belong in that role
 
Did you guys see the Escobar double? I don't think you did. The ball should have been caught, AJAX should have called for it and it would have been a tie game. Coke was the guy with the two switch hitters and Mauer, but Leyland needs to go to Dotel if Coke is failing there. But a single and a fly ball that should have been caught is what it is, Coke didn't exactly implode and Benoit didn't help him by walking the leadoff guy. Team loss, score two runs against scrubs and you don't deserve to win. MLB is also idiotic for scheduling these two teams while having the Texas teams play one another. How hard is it to start the season on a 6 game road trip to warmer climates? Stupid.
Best case it was a warning track sac fly from the Twins' #9 hitter
 
Did you guys see the Escobar double? I don't think you did. The ball should have been caught, AJAX should have called for it and it would have been a tie game. Coke was the guy with the two switch hitters and Mauer, but Leyland needs to go to Dotel if Coke is failing there. But a single and a fly ball that should have been caught is what it is, Coke didn't exactly implode and Benoit didn't help him by walking the leadoff guy. Team loss, score two runs against scrubs and you don't deserve to win. MLB is also idiotic for scheduling these two teams while having the Texas teams play one another. How hard is it to start the season on a 6 game road trip to warmer climates? Stupid.
I saw it and agree it should have been caught, but either way it would have been a blown save and nothing Coke did changes my mind that he doesn't belong in that role
I agree, he doesn't. But if you don't have a closer and you are facing a bunch of lefthanders then Coke is the right play. I initially blamed Leyland then I looked at what was up and coming up, and think leaving Coke in was the right call.

But I'm more mad about the 5 runs in two games, that doesn't give you much margin for error. Hopefully Rondon pitches well in Toledo and you can call him up in a few weeks. In the meantime I think you give Dotel the most ops, he has the most experience closing and he doesn't act like much bothers him.

 
Did you guys see the Escobar double? I don't think you did. The ball should have been caught, AJAX should have called for it and it would have been a tie game. Coke was the guy with the two switch hitters and Mauer, but Leyland needs to go to Dotel if Coke is failing there. But a single and a fly ball that should have been caught is what it is, Coke didn't exactly implode and Benoit didn't help him by walking the leadoff guy. Team loss, score two runs against scrubs and you don't deserve to win. MLB is also idiotic for scheduling these two teams while having the Texas teams play one another. How hard is it to start the season on a 6 game road trip to warmer climates? Stupid.
Best case it was a warning track sac fly from the Twins' #9 hitter
2-2 is not a loss right? :shrug:

 
Did you guys see the Escobar double? I don't think you did. The ball should have been caught, AJAX should have called for it and it would have been a tie game. Coke was the guy with the two switch hitters and Mauer, but Leyland needs to go to Dotel if Coke is failing there. But a single and a fly ball that should have been caught is what it is, Coke didn't exactly implode and Benoit didn't help him by walking the leadoff guy. Team loss, score two runs against scrubs and you don't deserve to win. MLB is also idiotic for scheduling these two teams while having the Texas teams play one another. How hard is it to start the season on a 6 game road trip to warmer climates? Stupid.
Best case it was a warning track sac fly from the Twins' #9 hitter
2-2 is not a loss right? :shrug:
It's a BSV though. Most major league hitters turn that pitch into a 3 run HR
 
Did you guys see the Escobar double? I don't think you did. The ball should have been caught, AJAX should have called for it and it would have been a tie game. Coke was the guy with the two switch hitters and Mauer, but Leyland needs to go to Dotel if Coke is failing there. But a single and a fly ball that should have been caught is what it is, Coke didn't exactly implode and Benoit didn't help him by walking the leadoff guy. Team loss, score two runs against scrubs and you don't deserve to win. MLB is also idiotic for scheduling these two teams while having the Texas teams play one another. How hard is it to start the season on a 6 game road trip to warmer climates? Stupid.
Best case it was a warning track sac fly from the Twins' #9 hitter
2-2 is not a loss right? :shrug:
It's a BSV though. Most major league hitters turn that pitch into a 3 run HR
Thanks Pickles.

 
Once again, we were only able to get 5 innings from our starter ...that takes away bullpen flexibility. That's really just a bad break - walks and strike outs push up the pitch count ..plus it's very early to push that pitch count. :shrug:

 
Did you guys see the Escobar double? I don't think you did. The ball should have been caught, AJAX should have called for it and it would have been a tie game. Coke was the guy with the two switch hitters and Mauer, but Leyland needs to go to Dotel if Coke is failing there. But a single and a fly ball that should have been caught is what it is, Coke didn't exactly implode and Benoit didn't help him by walking the leadoff guy. Team loss, score two runs against scrubs and you don't deserve to win. MLB is also idiotic for scheduling these two teams while having the Texas teams play one another. How hard is it to start the season on a 6 game road trip to warmer climates? Stupid.
I saw it and agree it should have been caught, but either way it would have been a blown save and nothing Coke did changes my mind that he doesn't belong in that role
I agree, he doesn't. But if you don't have a closer and you are facing a bunch of lefthanders then Coke is the right play. I initially blamed Leyland then I looked at what was up and coming up, and think leaving Coke in was the right call. But I'm more mad about the 5 runs in two games, that doesn't give you much margin for error. Hopefully Rondon pitches well in Toledo and you can call him up in a few weeks. In the meantime I think you give Dotel the most ops, he has the most experience closing and he doesn't act like much bothers him.
In that case coke should have pitched 8th vs Mauer and Morneau, although broadcast said Benoit had good numbers against them and I know Leyland is the king of making decisions based on small sample sizeI think bats will be fine once they get into some warmer weather and agree Dotel would be best option. Like Al Al too but he walks too many guys for me to trust him
 
Did you guys see the Escobar double? I don't think you did. The ball should have been caught, AJAX should have called for it and it would have been a tie game. Coke was the guy with the two switch hitters and Mauer, but Leyland needs to go to Dotel if Coke is failing there. But a single and a fly ball that should have been caught is what it is, Coke didn't exactly implode and Benoit didn't help him by walking the leadoff guy. Team loss, score two runs against scrubs and you don't deserve to win. MLB is also idiotic for scheduling these two teams while having the Texas teams play one another. How hard is it to start the season on a 6 game road trip to warmer climates? Stupid.
I saw it and agree it should have been caught, but either way it would have been a blown save and nothing Coke did changes my mind that he doesn't belong in that role
I agree, he doesn't. But if you don't have a closer and you are facing a bunch of lefthanders then Coke is the right play. I initially blamed Leyland then I looked at what was up and coming up, and think leaving Coke in was the right call. But I'm more mad about the 5 runs in two games, that doesn't give you much margin for error. Hopefully Rondon pitches well in Toledo and you can call him up in a few weeks. In the meantime I think you give Dotel the most ops, he has the most experience closing and he doesn't act like much bothers him.
In that case coke should have pitched 8th vs Mauer and Morneau, although broadcast said Benoit had good numbers against them and I know Leyland is the king of making decisions based on small sample sizeI think bats will be fine once they get into some warmer weather and agree Dotel would be best option. Like Al Al too but he walks too many guys for me to trust him
You need to post in here more since you have sense and all.

The problem is less about the situation than it is about Leyland and him finding the best solution. No one knows for example why Leyland trusts Coke more than Dotel, it's a big ####### mystery to everyone but Leyland. What about using one of the young guys? Well that doesn't work for Jimmy because that isn't how we've always done it.

Al Al as I've said, is too wild. His slider is his premium pitch and if you have disciplined hitters they can take taht pitch early in the count and get ahead. He's great 0-2 or 1-2 but if he has to throw the fastball he's just ok. Dotel used to be known for his meltdowns so maybe that is why there is pause there. Benoit works well in the 8th, I think that makes the most sense. Villarreal is the guy I like because he has great stuff and way better control than Al Al batter to batter. But can he handle it? You know what...let him try, then let Al Al try then call up Rondon if that doesn't work. To me though you let Dotel do it tomorrow or the next time and then go from there and work your way down. Try stuff out, it's a long season and as long as they are 500ish by the All-Star break they'll be right in it in this ####ty division.

 
Doc,

When I watched Romero last year with the Giants he only throws sliders. Almost all of his Ks vs the Tirgers in the Series were way out of the strike zone...yet he had great success. Who knows?? I just do not like trotting the lefty Coke out there day in and day out. I am with you on Villarreal.

Another thing..was Hunter running on his own when he was thrown out at third to end the inning with Fielder coming up? That was really a stupid play for a vet like Hunter..plus watching the replay last night it looked like Hunter slowed a bit between second and third and then tried to pick it up when Brookens was telling him to get down.

 
Did you guys see the Escobar double? I don't think you did. The ball should have been caught, AJAX should have called for it and it would have been a tie game. Coke was the guy with the two switch hitters and Mauer, but Leyland needs to go to Dotel if Coke is failing there. But a single and a fly ball that should have been caught is what it is, Coke didn't exactly implode and Benoit didn't help him by walking the leadoff guy. Team loss, score two runs against scrubs and you don't deserve to win. MLB is also idiotic for scheduling these two teams while having the Texas teams play one another. How hard is it to start the season on a 6 game road trip to warmer climates? Stupid.
I saw it and agree it should have been caught, but either way it would have been a blown save and nothing Coke did changes my mind that he doesn't belong in that role
I agree, he doesn't. But if you don't have a closer and you are facing a bunch of lefthanders then Coke is the right play. I initially blamed Leyland then I looked at what was up and coming up, and think leaving Coke in was the right call.

But I'm more mad about the 5 runs in two games, that doesn't give you much margin for error. Hopefully Rondon pitches well in Toledo and you can call him up in a few weeks. In the meantime I think you give Dotel the most ops, he has the most experience closing and he doesn't act like much bothers him.
C'mon. It's day 3. Relax, guys...

 
Doc,

When I watched Romero last year with the Giants he only throws sliders. Almost all of his Ks vs the Tirgers in the Series were way out of the strike zone...yet he had great success. Who knows?? I just do not like trotting the lefty Coke out there day in and day out. I am with you on Villarreal.

Another thing..was Hunter running on his own when he was thrown out at third to end the inning with Fielder coming up? That was really a stupid play for a vet like Hunter..plus watching the replay last night it looked like Hunter slowed a bit between second and third and then tried to pick it up when Brookens was telling him to get down.
Actually last year Romo threw his fastball 72% of the time, his slider 21% and his change up 8%.

Al Al threw his slider 61% of the time and walked 5.4 batters/9.

Agree on Hunter, really dumb play. I sent my buddy a text right after wondering what was going on.

 
Doc, When I watched Romero last year with the Giants he only throws sliders. Almost all of his Ks vs the Tirgers in the Series were way out of the strike zone...yet he had great success. Who knows?? I just do not like trotting the lefty Coke out there day in and day out. I am with you on Villarreal. Another thing..was Hunter running on his own when he was thrown out at third to end the inning with Fielder coming up? That was really a stupid play for a vet like Hunter..plus watching the replay last night it looked like Hunter slowed a bit between second and third and then tried to pick it up when Brookens was telling him to get down.
Actually last year Romo threw his fastball 72% of the time, his slider 21% and his change up 8%. Al Al threw his slider 61% of the time and walked 5.4 batters/9. Agree on Hunter, really dumb play. I sent my buddy a text right after wondering what was going on.
I assume his teammates informed him that bad base running is part of what the Tigers do. They're very bad at a lot of the fundamental aspects of the game, but they have enough talent to overcome that most days
 

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