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tri-man 47
Footballguy
:( Good to get the win, but hopefully not with a heavy cost. As DD notes, this could be an important road trip.
Apple Juice
Footballguy
Vmart said he felt better which is encouraging. Hopefully he won't have to go on the DL. Off day Monday helps.
Tigers are becoming masters of the one-run win. Valverde's importance can't be overstated this year. After this season I'm sold on re-signing him.
Tigers are becoming masters of the one-run win. Valverde's importance can't be overstated this year. After this season I'm sold on re-signing him.
No kidding, the last 5 wins have been one run games.First time all year the Tigers are 9 games over 500. If they can stay around 10 games over 500, I don't see the other teams catching them.
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Doctor Detroit
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From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20110806/SPORTS0104/108060392/Hot-hitting-Victor-Martinez-feels-fine-after-Tigers’-win#ixzz1UJot7LXXSo maybe just a slight stretch of the MCL or something? This is pretty good news, I hope this isn't shtick.
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
I missed the beginning of the game yesterday and just now saw Austin Jackson's catch. What a great play that was.
Looks like we may have dodged a bullet with Victor Martinez. Hopefully he's be back soon. We really can't afford to lose him for any extended period of time.
Valverde continues to be money. I can't imagine where we would be without him.
I don't know their record in one-run games, but the Tigers sure seem to win most of the close games they play.
We need to get the sweep today and not settle for winning the series.
Looks like we may have dodged a bullet with Victor Martinez. Hopefully he's be back soon. We really can't afford to lose him for any extended period of time.
Valverde continues to be money. I can't imagine where we would be without him.
I don't know their record in one-run games, but the Tigers sure seem to win most of the close games they play.
We need to get the sweep today and not settle for winning the series.
skillz
Footballguy
Looks like Leyland is skipping Penny's next start so Verlander can pitch in the Cleveland series. Nice.
Valverde in Willie Hernandez circa 1984 territory now with how he's performed this season. As much crap as people give Dombrowski for his personnel moves, signing Valverde has to be one of his best moves.
Valverde in Willie Hernandez circa 1984 territory now with how he's performed this season. As much crap as people give Dombrowski for his personnel moves, signing Valverde has to be one of his best moves.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Ryan Raburn batting 3rd, I don't get it. I know he's batting better lately, but that just gets him in the lineup. 3rd should be a premier spot, not a place to put subs.
When you're a good ball club, you should have prestige and I don't think Ryan Raburn has earned batting 3rd this year or any other year. We'll see how he does, I don't like it.
When you're a good ball club, you should have prestige and I don't think Ryan Raburn has earned batting 3rd this year or any other year. We'll see how he does, I don't like it.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
Funny, I was just thinking about the comparison. Here's the data between Valverde and the '84 Cy Young/MVP: Hernandez ValverdeW - 9 ... 2L - 3 ... 3ERA - 1.92 ... 2.92Innings - 140 ... 49Saves - 32 ... 32out of - 33 ... 32Games - 80 ... 52K's - 112 ... 45Walks - 36 ... 26HRs - 6 ... 4Runs - 30 ... 17Hits - 96 ... 38WHIP - 0.94 ... 1.30
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My thoughts is Leyland thinks it is more important to have his second best hitter behind Cabrera so they can't pitch around him. That is why he uses Martinez there. But now with Martinez out, he drops Ordonez from 3 to 5, who probably hasn't earned it this year but which is more based on his performance going a few years back. I think Leyland asked for this years stats, but someone is feeding him stats from 2008 or something. Leyland seems completely oblivious to how each player is hitting this year when making his lineup. But I kind of do understand the logic of using such a strong hitter at #5.
Doctor Detroit
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Raburn missed a long home run by a few feet.
I just can't understand why Chen is so good vs the Tigers. Tigers usually do well vs lefties and Chen is average at best vs every one else in the league. Need a comeback!
I just can't understand why Chen is so good vs the Tigers. Tigers usually do well vs lefties and Chen is average at best vs every one else in the league. Need a comeback!
Doctor Detroit
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Oh man, Tigers get two runs and now the effing rain rolls in. They are saying the weather will pass, but it sounds like it's a monsoon right now.
Doctor Detroit
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OMG what a throw by Francouer. Wow.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Tough game, we've won our fair share of 1 run games.
I still don't like Raburn at 3, he's not scaring anyone.
The lack of overall speed hurt today with Peralta thrown out at third and Cabrera not able to get to 2nd after hitting the wall. In a 1 run game, those are big plays.
I still don't like Raburn at 3, he's not scaring anyone.
The lack of overall speed hurt today with Peralta thrown out at third and Cabrera not able to get to 2nd after hitting the wall. In a 1 run game, those are big plays.
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
I can't complain about Peralta being thrown out. That throw from right was a missile.
Doctor Detroit
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Best OF assist I've seen this year. He would have been standing up with almost anyone else throwing.Cabrera is not a good baserunner, nothing new there.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
I'm just saying, as good as the Tigers are, a weakness they have is lack of team speed. They hit into a lot of double plays and have difficulty stretching hits out with their regular starters. It kind of hurt them today but you can't really argue with winning a series on the road.
Cleveland playing well after they blew that game against Texas Friday, I was hoping that loss would kind of send them in the other direction.
Cleveland playing well after they blew that game against Texas Friday, I was hoping that loss would kind of send them in the other direction.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Looks like Cleveland caved in!!
tri-man 47
Footballguy
Yes ...big 5 run rally for Texas. Whew! That keeps some nice spacing before the series begins on Tuesday.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
I know it's only through next year, but why extend Leyland now?
Comer
Footballguy
Leyland for 1 year is one thing,but DD for 4 years?????? WOW.What is Mike thinking?
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
skillz
Footballguy
Reminded me of watching Dwight Evans throw guys out from RF when I was growing up.
Doctor Detroit
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Why not? If they win the division he deserved the extension, if they don't he's probably gone anyway.'Limp Ditka said:
On four more years of Dombrowski.
Doctor Detroit
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Terrible Augusts and Septembers and some terrible in-game pitching decisions. Oh and the line-up shtick, he hit the 2Bman second for his first five years regardless of who he ran out there. I like his baserunning decisions lately and I think the pitching staff was in a bit of trouble with Knapp so that seems to have gotten better as well. I mean you can hate on him for Coke's one pitch outings, but he's playing match-ups which every manager does.He's a a slightly above average manager, probably always has been. But even guys like Mike Scioscia drive their fans crazy, and some Twins fans consistently bash Gardenhire who to me is almost above criticism for the rabbit he continually pulls out of his ######. I don't love Leyland but the players love him and he's a decent field manager a lot of the time. Great? No. But there just aren't many John McGraws out there.
Apple Juice
Footballguy
The amount of time wasted bashing Leyland by Tigers fans--most of it nonsensical raving about decisions that don't affect games--is mind-boggling. Occasionally I'll question a decision or praise one. I can't tolerate Leyland-basher-guy who watches games to catalog the things that go wrong in a game and throw a tantrum about them later.
It makes me sad that most Tigers fans are ####### idiots.
It makes me sad that most Tigers fans are ####### idiots.
Doctor Detroit
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"Most" aren't idiots but there is a real good percentage that started following the team in 2006 like Comer who represent the worst in sports fandom. Too many sports talk radio following fans in Detroit for sure, but they are as a whole some of the best fans in baseball IMO. They come when the product is even pretty good, they live and die with the games and they generally know the game pretty well. But the idiots have got to me too. I've been permabanned from two Tigers boards, and to be honest I'm glad it happened.
though, can't really disagree with much there.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
This is just rude and quite frankly its clear you don't have a clue. The man has batted Maggs 3rd all season when he's been healthy. This is a .230 hitter with no power and no multiple basehit potential. Essentially a walking out. After VMart got hurt he surrounded Miggy with the bash brothers Maggs and Ryan Raburn striking fear into the hearts of the Royals. Ryan Raburn batted second for the majority of the year batting below .200. The man still was taking out Boesch in the late innings a few weeks back a few months after saying he wouldn't.... and who is his replacement, you might ask: Ryan Raburn. Real upgrade there Jimmy. How about throwing Coke out a night after he blew a game for us in a clutch situation only to have him start to do the same thing again? These arn't rarities or "nonsensical raving", this isn't "question one decision and praise one" this is paying attention throughout the season. Maybe you can withstand guys like Jason Grilli and Ryan Raburn but I can't. Jimmy doesn't play to win, he plays favorites. It's hard to lose when you have arguably the best hitter and pitcher in baseball yet they're only up by 4 when I feel they should be up by 10 and it is a direct correlation to Leyland's managing in my mind.
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
The Tigers have an option to keep Valverde next year at $9 mils...seems like a no brainer to me.
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igbomb
Footballguy
First of all, the fact that you insinuate that the Tigers would be six games better if Leyland wasn't the manager shows how little clue you have. I'm not the biggest Leyland fan, and yes he does things that make you question what the hell he is thinking, but managers don't have nearly the impact you seem to think they do, and neither does batting order. He plays the players he has, and on a team with as little depth as the Tigers, that means he ends up playing some guys he would probably rather not.And, believe it or not, Raburn is a much better outfield defender than Boesch.Career OF UZR/150Raburn: 1.1Boesch: -7.1
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
It is what it is, the owner is going to do what he feels like doing.
There may be no "I" in team, but there is more than one in Ilitch.
There may be no "I" in team, but there is more than one in Ilitch.
Apple Juice
Footballguy
This is what I'm talking about, this narrow view with illogical expectations of perfect players and perfect outcomes. For every decision that doesn't work out that you think you would have handled correctly, a list of reasons can be made why your idea is foolish. The difference is, Leyland has information at his disposal that you don't, has experience that you don't, and has to live with the consequences. You don't.As tiresome as listening to fans whine about Leyland is hearing the defensive reaction they give when called on it. I'm not saying Leyland is the best manager in baseball and no one should question a line-up or pitching change. Sometimes I agree with him, sometimes I don't. The point is too many fans have warped views, settle too easily into a mob mentality, and waste so much time #####ing and moaning that it defeats the purpose of being a fan. I'm referring to the guy who yells when he talks, concedes nothing positive, and wants Leyland fired after every loss. Listening to people nowhere near as smart as they think they are gets old. Maybe that's not "most" fans. Maybe it just seems like it.
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Apple Juice
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"Loudest" often gets mistaken for "most". I think Tigers fans are passionate, which is probably the most important thing. But listening to many of them is difficult. I'm not a baseball guru but I don't think anybody has to be to be realistic and sensible. Most of the posters here seem to be. It's why I check in most days to see what the people here are thinking."Most" aren't idiots but there is a real good percentage that started following the team in 2006 like Comer who represent the worst in sports fandom. Too many sports talk radio following fans in Detroit for sure, but they are as a whole some of the best fans in baseball IMO. They come when the product is even pretty good, they live and die with the games and they generally know the game pretty well. But the idiots have got to me too. I've been permabanned from two Tigers boards, and to be honest I'm glad it happened.
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
Victor Martinez is in the lineup for tonight's game.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
I like Below coming in after the rain delay, have a good feeling about him.
Still thought Fisters was shakey. All he has to do is do what he did in seattle and he'll do fine.
Hopefully the bats aren't cold after the delay.
Still thought Fisters was shakey. All he has to do is do what he did in seattle and he'll do fine.
Hopefully the bats aren't cold after the delay.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Tigers blew an opportunity in the 5th, with Don Kelly on 1st with nobody out Jackson strikes out and Kelly gunned down at 2nd base attempting to steal as Carlos Santana is only throwing out stealers 20 percent of the time.
Like the aggressive play calling, you CAN'T strike out there Jackson.
In other baseball news, Dan Uggla has extended his hit streak to 30 games, and started that streak when he was only batting .179, not a guy one would predict would go on a 30 game win streak, good for him.
Like the aggressive play calling, you CAN'T strike out there Jackson.
In other baseball news, Dan Uggla has extended his hit streak to 30 games, and started that streak when he was only batting .179, not a guy one would predict would go on a 30 game win streak, good for him.
whoknew
Footballguy
But that's why its a bad call by Leyland. OF COURSE Jackson is going to strike out. That's what he does.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
12 up and 12 down for Below since he's been in after the rain delay, and 22 straight batters over the last 3 games.
Tigers had a man on 1st and 3rd with 1 out but Peralta struck out and Carlos Guillen had a weak ground out to strand runners on the corner.
Alex Avilla just singled up the middle to lead off the 7th,
Then Ramone Santiago comes in to bunt, he pops it up to the pitcher and throws the force out for the DP back to first, you got to be kidding me Santiago.
Heading into the 7th inning stretch and the Tigers leaving lots of opportunities on the base paths, they'll be kicking themselves if they blow this game.
Tigers had a man on 1st and 3rd with 1 out but Peralta struck out and Carlos Guillen had a weak ground out to strand runners on the corner.
Alex Avilla just singled up the middle to lead off the 7th,
Then Ramone Santiago comes in to bunt, he pops it up to the pitcher and throws the force out for the DP back to first, you got to be kidding me Santiago.
Heading into the 7th inning stretch and the Tigers leaving lots of opportunities on the base paths, they'll be kicking themselves if they blow this game.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Dan Schlereth ( I know I hacked that name, need to learn to spell it because he came in to start the 7th and he struck out the side! The young mid relievers putting on a show!
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Apple Juice
Footballguy
Agree that was a bad move. Jackson has been having longer at-bats lately but they almost always end with a K. Can't run with him at the plate no matter what the count is.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Wow, Cleveland with a man on 3rd, 1 out they try and execute the squeeze and the batter misses the ball and the runner from 3rd simply gets tagged out by Avila at home. Easy pop up to center next pitch we head to the 9th all tied up, great game as the White Sox won earlier today by 1 run.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
I hear what you guys are saying but hindsight is 20/20. The Tigers have hit into so many double play balls this year plus Santana has only thrown out 20 percent of his throws this year, I liked being aggressive there early in the game.
Synthesizer
Footballguy
And Rod Allen calling for the squeeze immediately before the pitch
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Man on 1st and 2nd with 2 out, Santiago follows up his earlier bunt into a double play with a ground ball to first, end of inning.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Oh boy, bottom of the 9th and we're bringing in Phil Coke, here we go.
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