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igbomb
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I'm fine with that. It now becomes all about 2011.whoknew said:#### standing pat. Either go for it or sell off.If they aren't going for it - which now seems unlikely - trade Damon, Bonderman and anyone else that they may get something for.igbomb said:I sure hope they are smart enough to stand pat at the deadline and let this season die. It's done.RenegadeGM said:Man, there's absolutely nobody in-house to replace him.Doesn't look like his $15 million extension will kick in now. It's now a club option with no buyout. As nice of a season as he's had, they can't bring him back at his age at that price in 2011.Guillen left with a calf strain tonight too... when it rains, it pours.Doctor Detroit said:Mags gone 6-8 weeks with a brokenO ankle.
igbomb
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Do you mortgage the future for a run at the division? There's no way this team wins it all. 2011 is a huge opportunity for this team. They should back off the rental players and the guys they would have to overpay for (Haren).Doctor Detroit said:Did we move to the AL East?igbomb said:I sure hope they are smart enough to stand pat at the deadline and let this season die. It's done.RenegadeGM said:Man, there's absolutely nobody in-house to replace him.Doesn't look like his $15 million extension will kick in now. It's now a club option with no buyout. As nice of a season as he's had, they can't bring him back at his age at that price in 2011.Guillen left with a calf strain tonight too... when it rains, it pours.Doctor Detroit said:Mags gone 6-8 weeks with a brokenO ankle.
Doctor Detroit
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We haven't talked about Austin Jackson enough in this thread, but he's pretty damn good. Three more hits today including a clutch triple in the bottom of the 8th, now hitting .319. He ks too much and is a little streaky but he's played above expectations IMO. Plus we haven't seen the power yet, which will come.
That Cabrera guy is pretty good too, he's accounted for 32% of Tiger runs this year.
That Cabrera guy is pretty good too, he's accounted for 32% of Tiger runs this year.
skillz
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He's the new Barry Sanders.
Gopher State
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The Tigers had shown some interest in Boston infielder Mike Lowell to plug the Inge vacancy, ESPNBoston.com reports.
I guess Lowell should be cheap enough to get
I guess Lowell should be cheap enough to get
MAC_32
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...and Boston will have to pay most of the salary.I'm fine with looking at Lowell, but this Adam Dunn talk isn't sitting well with me. Dunn's under rated, but I'm afraid it will take more than Boesch to get him, I'm not too crazy about that.
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Since Boston isn't using him, Lowell probably comes real cheap so I'm all for that. I've never been an Adam Dunn fan but he does offer LH power and draws enough walks to offset his streaky nature. But Dunn could be a one and Dunn, I'd hate to give them Turner, Crosby or Oliver for two months of work. Good comeback win tonight after blowing it in game one. Boesch is just five for his last 37 but he has drawn nine BB in that period making him a valuable guy right now for the team. Jays walked him to get to Raburn and Raburn burned them. Nice efforts by Galarraga and Porcello in consecutive games also, even though they lost both games. Valverde had given up one HR all year before giving up two today, hopefully they are out of his system. Also Johnny ####### Damon needs to be in there every game right now, regardless of match-up. Leyland sat him in the early game today and we had to endure a line-up of Mudhens. Leave Damon out there, he's not helping you sitting on the bench and he can DH every day now.
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The next 24 games are against the Red Sox, Rays, Yankees, Angels and seven against the other Sux. Basically if they can go 5-2 against the WS and say 7-10 vs the others they still will probably be in the race. Not much pressure on them now though, get used to seeing Larish, Sizemore and Raburn in the starting line-ups because they are all we have right now. I think Verlander, Scherzer and Porcello are going to have to great for them to get through this stretch and still be in the hunt for the AL Central flag.
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I thought he had flu-like symptoms and is under the weather so maybe that is why he only played the second game. But who knows, maybe it is just Leyland being Leyland. I'm thinking that since Raburn can play regularly now he should do a lot better. I think he was pressing this year because he had limited AB's and wanted to do something with them to earn more playing time. Now that he has the AB's coming, he should be able to just relax and play ball.I'm hoping they don't give up any of their top 3 pitching prospects for Dunn and I doubt they will. I would still like to see them possibly get Edwin Jackson back and find a way to get Stephen Drew to plug the whole at SS. It's a full blown fire sale in Arizona right now so maybe they can get them relatively cheap. Long term I wouldn't mind seeing Crosby or Oliver go, but not Turner. They also need to cut ties with Guillen next Spring like they did with Sheffield. Guy can't stay healthy for any length of time so let him go.Bottom line is they need to win their division games vs. Chicago and Minnesota (even though they historically haven't). There is no margin for error now.If anyone wants to go to a Mudhens game now they will need to buy tickets to Comerica because that is where half the team is now. I'm not a huge Sizemore or Larish fan but unfortunately we're stuck with them playing for a while. There was a stretch in Game 1 vs. Toronto where the inning was Sizemore, Larish and Laird due up.
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MAC_32
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It isn't his bat I'm worried about, it's his glove. Between him and the hodgepodge at 3B I expect them to lose us a few games by themselves.
Based on some comments made by Dom that will not happen, theyre interested in Dunn but only if Washington lowers their asking price. Is Dunn a type A free agent? If he is we're probably not getting him. If he isn't we may have a shot...and as much as his bat is needed in the offense his glove will only make it worse unfortunately. Not confident it'll work, but if the price is right it's worth the gamble.
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I've read the Dunn will in fact, be a Type A FA. Also Tigers are sniffing around Jason Werth and Buster Olney said they might also have some interest in Jose Guillen even though they'll have to eat some salary. Beats giving up prospects IMO, it's not my money.
Anthony Borbely
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There was another catcher in that draft that the Tigers (and others) passed on who wound up going in round 2. His name was Johnny Bench.
Leroy Hoard
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Damn Dumbrowski.There was another catcher in that draft that the Tigers (and others) passed on who wound up going in round 2. His name was Johnny Bench.
Frostillicus
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Doctor Detroit
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Damn Dumbrowski. :(There was another catcher in that draft that the Tigers (and others) passed on who wound up going in round 2. His name was Johnny Bench.
Well played. 
RenegadeGM
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SHUT IT DOWN.
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RenegadeGM
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Where are you getting 3 posts from? Just checked and it is 3600+. Not as many as most, but not 3.
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Limp Ditka
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Where are you getting 3 posts from? Just checked and it is 3600+. Not as many as most, but not 3.
RenegadeGM
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3 in this thread then?Didn't realize you can only express an opinion after a certain amount of posts.Where are you getting 3 posts from? Just checked and it is 3600+. Not as many as most, but not 3.
I'm hoping for the best, but expecting 3rd place at this point.
Doctor Detroit
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Since I know you know baseball it would be nice if you were to add something useful, that's all.RenegadeGM said:3 in this thread then?Didn't realize you can only express an opinion after a certain amount of posts.Limp Ditka said:RenegadeGM said:Where are you getting 3 posts from? Just checked and it is 3600+. Not as many as most, but not 3.Doctor Detroit said:
RenegadeGM
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Was a reaction to them being no-hit, that's all.There's not much else to analyze about this team right now... it is a team with a lot of flaws that is only close because of the division they are in and a decent first-half schedule. The Twins and White Sox have their flaws, too, which means the Tigers could hang in there for a bit. If they can add someone cheap, like they did with Washburn and Huff last year (even though those guys didn't pan out), great... otherwise, I don't think they should move the best pieces in a farm system that is shallow right now. A lot of money comes off the books next year. They can be fairly aggressive and fill some holes then.This doesn't mean I won't, as a fan, hope like hell something clicks and they go on a roll. Realistically, though, the lineup as it is constructed right now just isn't enough to get it done. Cabrera can't do it all.
Hellfire Snail
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Since the all-star break they played a terrible set against Cleveland, have suffered three crushing injuries in Inge, Maggs and Guillen, and are now limping into the brutal stretch of their schedule -- this combined with losing Zumaya and playing helplessly on the road already. I don't think it's a stretch to say that adding a piece at this point won't make much of a difference. Where once there was a little hope, everything caved in within about ten days. I don't mind watching the kids play now and if we can get something for Damon, go for it. Next year sets up a better shot at making a run than this year anyway. The shame of it is that Cabrera and Valverde are having remarkable seasons and the Twins and White Sox are far from dominant (although the White Sox pitching continues to roll.)
Da Guru
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Maggs loss was a tough one, but it could free up 16 million for next season. Now Maggs will not have enough games played or ABs for his contract to kick in for 2011.Can`t see any team paying Maggs 15+ at 37 years of age. I would like the Tigers to bring Maggs back at 6-7 million and use him as full time DH.What is it with Guillen?? The guy can`t seem to play for more than two weeks without getting hurt.MAC_32 said:
Leroy Hoard
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The main problem with vets over kids seems to be injuries, and Guillen seems to be breaking down. I'd like to see some of that off the book money go towards a fairly young infielder or two who can solidify the team.
RenegadeGM
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Agree... a young infielder, a catcher and another starting pitcher would be a the top of my list. Assuming Damon and Maggs are both gone, they might also need another OF. I don't trust Wilkin Ramirez's plate discipline.
Doctor Detroit
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They aren't getting any young infielders with Worth and Sizemore especially with more expensive and pressing needs of a corner OFer and starting pitcher. Although with Furbush and Oliver almost ready, they might be able to bring in a guy as a two year starter.
MAC_32
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Corner OF is priority #1, but if we get an opportunity at a young INF I really hope the reason we don't pull the trigger is because we have Worth and Sizemore. I want to see more out of Worth, but my skepticism re Sizemore has been very high all year. It's still early, but there isn't much I see in him that makes me think he's anything more than a UTIL INF.I think we're doing one of two things at pitcher - throwing everything and the kitchen sink at Cliff Lee or sign a vet to a 1 yr deal. If we don't get a horse like Lee I think we'll gamble and hope one of the young guys steps up and make the offseason focus on fixing the bats and defense, for better or worse.
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Sizemore has pretty much raked at every level in the minors which is usually a good sign. It will probably take some time but I really do think he's the 2Bman for years to come in Detroit, but I've been wrong before. Fans want to complain about the farm system and then when the farm system produces good prospects like Sizemore they want to give up after 109 ABs. Not saying you, just in general. Sizemore has always had an OBP 70-90 points higher than his average and he's doing the same thing in Detroit so far so that means he's seeing the ball just fine. A lot of scouting rankings only have Frazier and Ackley ranked above him as far as 2B prospects go, and he is probably going to be just fine. Not a star, but an above average hitting 2Bman with some power (12-20 HR) and high OBP numbers. His .299/.384/.450 minor league marks suggest a #2 hitter, but he's gonna need more time to adjust. While Guillen is out I have no idea why Ryhmes is in, it should be Sizemore. Sending him back to Toledo isn't gonna do much good because he flat out hits down there, so I think he needs regular ABs to bust out. Worth on the other hand is an up and down minor league player but he has a gold glove type ability at SS with a serious cannon arm and great footwork. Depending on what the Tigers can put around him, and I think Sizemore would have to hit to make it so, they could live with a .250 hitter who has a little pop in his bat. Worth is basically Adam Everett, but in the right situation an Adam Everett is a valuable player. I think the chances of Worth sticking are about one tenth of the chances that Sizemore stays though, they might seek help in the IF next year but I honestly don't believe it will be at 2B. If they wanted to do that, they could have kept Placido. The FA options at SS are meh with Izturis, Greene, Peralta and Guzman being probably the best choices. At 2B Orlando Hudson is there, but besides him there are a whole lot of ??????? FA OFers are deep though, we should have no problem finding a #3/#5 type hitter but it will cost money. My dream is Carl Crawford but Hawpe, Dunn (horrible in the field), Werth or Huff (yeah I know) would fit also. Cliff Lee would be awesome, but there are a ton of potential FA pitchers that could fit
uchscherer (this guy can be spectacular when healthy)Pavano (get him to get him off teams we are playing, but he's not gonna be cheap after the year he is having)LillyPadillaSheetsWebbB. MyersJorge De La Rosa Chris Young (This guy is always broke but likely worth a flyer)VasquezLots of injured guys, but I'd take a chance on one of them if we can't get Lilly, Lee, Pavano or maybe even Vasquez who I think would be the right kind of guy for the team. Anyway I don't think we need to worry about a MIF at all. Next year they need a 3Bman, a corner OFer, a starting pitcher and maybe they can find a catcher (Olivo???). Team is gonna look a lot different next year though, in the field only Boesch, Miggy, Avila and Jackson are going to be there for sure. Pretty much everyone else will be or could be gone. I think Maggs will come back, but he will be wanted in the FA market so he won't be coming back at a deep discount. It won't be 16 mill, but it won't be 5 either.
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Tigers 4th
James Shields pitching:
Miguel Cabrera : Strike looking, Ball, Ball, Foul, Cabrera doubled to deep center.
Brennan Boesch : Foul, Strike swinging, Boesch grounded out to pitcher, Cabrera to third.
Ryan Raburn : Strike looking, Strike swinging, Ball, Raburn struck out swinging.
Alex Avila : Foul, Foul, Ball, Cabrera out at home.
End of Inning (0 Runs, 1 Hit, 0 Errors)
Tigers 5th
James Shields pitching:
Alex Avila : Strike looking, Foul, Ball, Ball, Avila singled to left.
Scott Sizemore : Strike looking, Sizemore doubled to deep center, Avila to third.
Ramon Santiago : Foul, Strike swinging, Foul, Ball, Santiago struck out swinging.
Austin Jackson : Strike looking, Jackson grounded out to pitcher.
Will Rhymes : Ball, Ball, Ball, Strike looking, Rhymes popped out to shortstop.
End of Inning (0 Runs, 2 Hits, 0 Errors)
James Shields pitching:
Miguel Cabrera : Strike looking, Ball, Ball, Foul, Cabrera doubled to deep center.
Brennan Boesch : Foul, Strike swinging, Boesch grounded out to pitcher, Cabrera to third.
Ryan Raburn : Strike looking, Strike swinging, Ball, Raburn struck out swinging.
Alex Avila : Foul, Foul, Ball, Cabrera out at home.
End of Inning (0 Runs, 1 Hit, 0 Errors)
Tigers 5th
James Shields pitching:
Alex Avila : Strike looking, Foul, Ball, Ball, Avila singled to left.
Scott Sizemore : Strike looking, Sizemore doubled to deep center, Avila to third.
Ramon Santiago : Foul, Strike swinging, Foul, Ball, Santiago struck out swinging.
Austin Jackson : Strike looking, Jackson grounded out to pitcher.
Will Rhymes : Ball, Ball, Ball, Strike looking, Rhymes popped out to shortstop.
End of Inning (0 Runs, 2 Hits, 0 Errors)
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Limp Ditka
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Miggy - not helping
igbomb
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Not too often does a team walk a guy to advance the go ahead run to second. Boesch needs to make an adjustment or Cabrera will see very little to hit in RBI/end of game situations.
Limp Ditka
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Grounding into the game ending DP with the bases loaded is helping?
Greco
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MAC_32
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Soto was a late round flier, but he has been dynamite in A ball. Not saying he's going to blossom into anything meaningful, but he might...something Peralta won't do.Peralta sucks. At everything.
Doctor Detroit
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Peralta is better than Will Ryhmes. Tigers have plenty of pitching prospects and Soto is a long-shot at best.
ETA: Nothing to get excited or mad about. Plus the Tigers got cash back to buy Peralta out after the season.
ETA: Nothing to get excited or mad about. Plus the Tigers got cash back to buy Peralta out after the season.
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Gopher State
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Sources tell ESPNChicago.com that the Minnesota Twins and Los Angeles Dodgers are two teams in hot pursuit of the Cubs starter(lilly) The Detroit Tigers and the New York Mets are also interested.
Looks like the Tigers are becoming buyers as the trade deadline approaches. I think the Tigers have better prospects to give up then the Twins and Dodgers do for Lilly.
Looks like the Tigers are becoming buyers as the trade deadline approaches. I think the Tigers have better prospects to give up then the Twins and Dodgers do for Lilly.
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Boesch is just ####### awful. This reminds me out what happened to Matt Joyce in 2008.
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