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Joyce is awesome.
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Jim Leyland suspended one game in sunflower seed spraying
USA TODAY
It may take Detroit Tigers manager Jim Leyland a little longer to forgive umpire Marty Foster this time.
Leyland was suspended Wednesday for one game and fined an undisclosed amount for inappropriate and aggressive conduct during an argument with Foster in Monday night's game in Tampa Bay. He'll serve the suspension Wednesday night.
The Tigers' manager said Foster accused him of spitting on the umpire and called that a "blatant lie." Leyland said he had some sunflower seeds in his mouth and accidently sprayed some. His comments were posted in USA TODAY's blog Game On! earlier.
Sunflower seeds should be banned for life for Leyland
USA TODAY
It may take Detroit Tigers manager Jim Leyland a little longer to forgive umpire Marty Foster this time.
Leyland was suspended Wednesday for one game and fined an undisclosed amount for inappropriate and aggressive conduct during an argument with Foster in Monday night's game in Tampa Bay. He'll serve the suspension Wednesday night.
The Tigers' manager said Foster accused him of spitting on the umpire and called that a "blatant lie." Leyland said he had some sunflower seeds in his mouth and accidently sprayed some. His comments were posted in USA TODAY's blog Game On! earlier.
Sunflower seeds should be banned for life for Leyland
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Doctor Detroit
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Awesome like Triple A player awesome?He did burn the Tigers in this series though.
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Small sample size, but a .840 OPS is Triple A now huh? He's never going to be an MVP candidate, but he's going to be a damn good hitter.
Doctor Detroit
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In 122 PA as a gay ray, he is .212/.328/.485He does have power, but not sure he'll ever be a "damn good hitter."
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Not sure his month of April 09 stats are too relevant now, but use whatever you like.Good read on Joyce.... http://www.draysbay.com/2010/7/28/1592305/...-story-of-plate
MAC_32
Footballguy
Should have sold high. Should have...
Doctor Detroit
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Well he has a large enough sample size to know he isn't a "great hitter" like that article says. I'm not rooting against Joyce either, no reason for me to. Tigers got a great year out of EJAX and then moved him to bring back three of the best players on the team. Plus they have the exact same guy with a better arm in RF named Brennan Boesch. Tampa needs his power though, they are gonna need it in the playoffs in those 3-2 type games they'll be in.
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I was talking to my buddy about this last night, I said they would probably send Sizemore down instead of Rhymes because that would make the least sense. I guess they want Sizemore to get max ABs because Santiago will rotate with Worth and Rhymes. I think the even bigger question is why Ryhmes is hitting 2nd? Haven't seen the line-up today but hopefully they move up Raburn to 2nd, and have Peralta 6th. Boesch has to start hitting, he's really killing the team right now.whoknew said:
whoknew
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Here is today's lineup: Jackson cf, Santiago ss, Damon dh, Cabrera 1b, Boesch rf, Raburn lf, Laird c, Rhymes 2b, Worth 3b. Porcello p.I agree - it makes no sense.
whoknew
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I sent a tweet to Jason Beck asking why they kept Rhymes over Sizemore and he actually responded:
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@whoknew Rhymes has as many hits last 2 days as Sizemore had since coming back up.
Awesome. So now the Tigers are making personnel decisions based on 2 games instead of seasons of minor league data. Wonderful.
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@whoknew Rhymes has as many hits last 2 days as Sizemore had since coming back up.
Awesome. So now the Tigers are making personnel decisions based on 2 games instead of seasons of minor league data. Wonderful.
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How long does it take to get from Cleveland to Tampa? Land bridge down?
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Sample size for Sizemore is. 30 MLB game started, 6 errors and a .205 BA, He is just not good enough to be here right now.
SofaKings
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I think he needs to sit a game or two, the kid is really pressing right now. On another note why is Will "Busta" Rhymes batting second?? This kid looks overmatched at the plate.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
I don't think it would hurt.
whoknew
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Well despite all the negativity surrounding them, the Tigers really are set up well for next year.
Assuming Porcello is back - that is a very nice big 3 of JV, Scherzer, Porcello. Maybe adding a free agent to the middle/back of the rotation and it looks good.
Obviously the offense leaves a lot to be desired, but they have a lot of money to play with. They can really afford to get two good bats (OF and 3b?) and, if they want, resign Magglio for less. Add Cabrera and Jackson to that - plus (hopeful) improvement from Sizemore and Avila - well then you've really got something.
Assuming Porcello is back - that is a very nice big 3 of JV, Scherzer, Porcello. Maybe adding a free agent to the middle/back of the rotation and it looks good.
Obviously the offense leaves a lot to be desired, but they have a lot of money to play with. They can really afford to get two good bats (OF and 3b?) and, if they want, resign Magglio for less. Add Cabrera and Jackson to that - plus (hopeful) improvement from Sizemore and Avila - well then you've really got something.
Leroy Hoard
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positive spin alert: it's better that they crapped the bed early enough rather than waste more prospects on this season."wait till next year"
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The 2008 Tigers thread was 44 pages, that team lost 88 games.
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I don't stop following us many seasons, but I did in that one. When the players give up I won't watch; they flat out gave up that season.If we keep fighting I'll watch until the very end, but I'll be sure to find something else to do whenever Jay Honny is at bat.
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Catching up...
Tigers have designated Fien, Larish and Ramirez for assignment the past two weeks. Fien already cleared waivers and was outrighted to Toledo, the other two are pending. Ramirez has fallen pretty far, pretty fast. Larish needs to cut his hair before being sent back to Toledo.
Tigers are also showing interest in Brad Hawpe. I like Hawpe as a possible future LFer but his contract is a mess and he's not worth the 10 million dollar option next year. I say wait, and make him a top ten FA target in the offseason.
Tigers have designated Fien, Larish and Ramirez for assignment the past two weeks. Fien already cleared waivers and was outrighted to Toledo, the other two are pending. Ramirez has fallen pretty far, pretty fast. Larish needs to cut his hair before being sent back to Toledo.
Tigers are also showing interest in Brad Hawpe. I like Hawpe as a possible future LFer but his contract is a mess and he's not worth the 10 million dollar option next year. I say wait, and make him a top ten FA target in the offseason.
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Peralta with two home runs and a walk in his first three plate appearances as a Tiger.
Galarraga was pitching great and then took a line drive off the shin and is now out of the game.
Galarraga was pitching great and then took a line drive off the shin and is now out of the game.
Bojang0301
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Peralta = savior 
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Limp Ditka
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I'm trying to move Hughes in my points league. This didn't help.
Limp Ditka
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Just read a blurb somewhere that Valverde threw 60 pitches in 1.3 innings last night?
He puts him in the 8th with 2 outs when they have a 5 run lead and only a runner on 2nd?!?!?!
Sweet Jeebus is Leyand incompetent.
He puts him in the 8th with 2 outs when they have a 5 run lead and only a runner on 2nd?!?!?!
Sweet Jeebus is Leyand incompetent.
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He's still ####ty.Peralta = savior
skillz
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Just read a blurb somewhere that Valverde threw 60 pitches in 1.3 innings last night?
He puts him in the 8th with 2 outs when they have a 5 run lead and only a runner on 2nd?!?!?!
Sweet Jeebus is Leyand incompetent.
You mean 2 innings. He and Lamont were both jack asses last night.
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Limp Ditka
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He came in with 2 outs in the 8th and pitched the 9th. Someone here needs help with the math and I don't think it's meJust read a blurb somewhere that Valverde threw 60 pitches in 1.3 innings last night?
He puts him in the 8th with 2 outs when they have a 5 run lead and only a runner on 2nd?!?!?!
Sweet Jeebus is Leyand incompetent.You mean 2 innings. He and Lamont were both jack asses last night.
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Right - he pitched 1 1/3 innings which is 1.1 innings. That's how it's reflected in a box score. I don't know what 1.3 innings means which is why I had theHe came in with 2 outs in the 8th and pitched the 9th. Someone here needs help with the math and I don't think it's meJust read a blurb somewhere that Valverde threw 60 pitches in 1.3 innings last night?
He puts him in the 8th with 2 outs when they have a 5 run lead and only a runner on 2nd?!?!?!
Sweet Jeebus is Leyand incompetent.You mean 2 innings. He and Lamont were both jack asses last night.
It's not a math comprehension issue so no need to be a ##### with your response.
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I wouldn't call that incompetent. As the Tigers have crumbled, Valverde has barely pitched. Couple that with the fact that they really needed a win and it's a smart move to bring in your best reliever to get out of a jam in the 8th.So it wasn't a save situation. This belief (and I don't know if you support it) that closers should only pitch in a save situation is one of the dumbest in baseball. Right up there with the belief that wins is the best measure of a pitcher's performance.Just read a blurb somewhere that Valverde threw 60 pitches in 1.3 innings last night?He puts him in the 8th with 2 outs when they have a 5 run lead and only a runner on 2nd?!?!?!
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8th inning, 2 outs and a runner on second is a jam in a 5 run game?But I guess when you consider who was coming up to bat, you could call it a jam. I know that if I was a big league manager Darnell McDonald would put shivers up my spine in a late inning situation like that.Unless something was wrong with Coke, it's as bad of a move as any manager has made this year.I wouldn't call that incompetent. As the Tigers have crumbled, Valverde has barely pitched. Couple that with the fact that they really needed a win and it's a smart move to bring in your best reliever to get out of a jam in the 8th.So it wasn't a save situation. This belief (and I don't know if you support it) that closers should only pitch in a save situation is one of the dumbest in baseball. Right up there with the belief that wins is the best measure of a pitcher's performance.Just read a blurb somewhere that Valverde threw 60 pitches in 1.3 innings last night?He puts him in the 8th with 2 outs when they have a 5 run lead and only a runner on 2nd?!?!?!
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Valverde hadn't pitched in five days. He needed the work. Before the game, Leyland made it plain that Valverde would pitch in that game. I'm not sure why it is so difficult to understand why it wasn't a poor move.Limp Ditka said:8th inning, 2 outs and a runner on second is a jam in a 5 run game?But I guess when you consider who was coming up to bat, you could call it a jam. I know that if I was a big league manager Darnell McDonald would put shivers up my spine in a late inning situation like that.Unless something was wrong with Coke, it's as bad of a move as any manager has made this year.igbomb said:I wouldn't call that incompetent. As the Tigers have crumbled, Valverde has barely pitched. Couple that with the fact that they really needed a win and it's a smart move to bring in your best reliever to get out of a jam in the 8th.So it wasn't a save situation. This belief (and I don't know if you support it) that closers should only pitch in a save situation is one of the dumbest in baseball. Right up there with the belief that wins is the best measure of a pitcher's performance.Limp Ditka said:Just read a blurb somewhere that Valverde threw 60 pitches in 1.3 innings last night?He puts him in the 8th with 2 outs when they have a 5 run lead and only a runner on 2nd?!?!?!Sweet Jeebus is Leyand incompetent.
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Because it was a bad move. Multiple days off or not, there was no reason to put the guy in a position where he has to bridge innings. I'd even argue that the decision is even worse when you do consider that he hadn't pitched in that long. Looking at his game long, it's something he's only done twice this year and not his normal routine.Valverde hadn't pitched in five days. He needed the work. Before the game, Leyland made it plain that Valverde would pitch in that game. I'm not sure why it is so difficult to understand why it wasn't a poor move.Limp Ditka said:8th inning, 2 outs and a runner on second is a jam in a 5 run game?But I guess when you consider who was coming up to bat, you could call it a jam. I know that if I was a big league manager Darnell McDonald would put shivers up my spine in a late inning situation like that.Unless something was wrong with Coke, it's as bad of a move as any manager has made this year.igbomb said:I wouldn't call that incompetent. As the Tigers have crumbled, Valverde has barely pitched. Couple that with the fact that they really needed a win and it's a smart move to bring in your best reliever to get out of a jam in the 8th.So it wasn't a save situation. This belief (and I don't know if you support it) that closers should only pitch in a save situation is one of the dumbest in baseball. Right up there with the belief that wins is the best measure of a pitcher's performance.Limp Ditka said:Just read a blurb somewhere that Valverde threw 60 pitches in 1.3 innings last night?He puts him in the 8th with 2 outs when they have a 5 run lead and only a runner on 2nd?!?!?!
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Bringing Valverde in early is one thing. However, there is no excuse for allowing your closer to throw 60 pitches.Valverde hadn't pitched in five days. He needed the work. Before the game, Leyland made it plain that Valverde would pitch in that game. I'm not sure why it is so difficult to understand why it wasn't a poor move.Limp Ditka said:8th inning, 2 outs and a runner on second is a jam in a 5 run game?But I guess when you consider who was coming up to bat, you could call it a jam. I know that if I was a big league manager Darnell McDonald would put shivers up my spine in a late inning situation like that.Unless something was wrong with Coke, it's as bad of a move as any manager has made this year.igbomb said:I wouldn't call that incompetent. As the Tigers have crumbled, Valverde has barely pitched. Couple that with the fact that they really needed a win and it's a smart move to bring in your best reliever to get out of a jam in the 8th.So it wasn't a save situation. This belief (and I don't know if you support it) that closers should only pitch in a save situation is one of the dumbest in baseball. Right up there with the belief that wins is the best measure of a pitcher's performance.Limp Ditka said:Just read a blurb somewhere that Valverde threw 60 pitches in 1.3 innings last night?He puts him in the 8th with 2 outs when they have a 5 run lead and only a runner on 2nd?!?!?!Sweet Jeebus is Leyand incompetent.
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Which meant he couldn't use Valverde Saturday when he needed him and they lost, and yesterday when he couldn't use Coke or Valverde in the 9th when he could have used either instead of Brad ####### Thomas. Leyland pissed away a three game sweep that they desperately needed. Bring in Perry to pitch to Ortiz on Friday, he would have done no worse than Valverde did. Valverde was at 34 pitches after that 3rd walk, you could have brought him back on Sunday at least. But why bring in Valverde in the 8th anyway? Even if he needed the work you have the 9th inning. Let Coke pitch out of the 8th, bring in Valverde in the 9th. If Coke gets in real trouble in the 8th, then maybe Valverde because you are desperate for a win. But using him for a 4 out non save on Friday could very well mean you can't use him on Saturday, I mean this is common sense. None of it made any sense to me. Leyland is extra terrible managing double headers, but he's bad managing his bullpen in crucial situations. I think normally he is no worse than any other manager at managing the pen. Problem is he plays to his favorites way to often and he obviously doesn't trust Perry who he should have left in on Saturday. He should have left Perry in to face Scutaro, and then to face the lefthanded Patterson who stinks to avoid the pinch hit. If Scuatro reaches, you pull Perry but Perry is more likely to induce a ground ball than Coke (.90 to .87). If not you let him face Patterson and Youk. I honestly don't second guess this stuff usually, but this weekend was really a great example of how not to use a bullpen correctly.
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