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Is Raburn going to DH? Whatever he does with his bat his glove offsets.
Do you think a lot of that is due to him being moved around so damn much? I mean he's no Don Kelly, that guy can field but I don't think he would be awful if they just kept him in one place.
Not enough to justify how consistently awful he is wherever they put him, there's a reason he can't get into the lineup consistently and it isn't because of his bat.
How do you explain Leyland moving him to RF to replace Boesch in the 9th inning? He's done this at least three times this year, I don't think they think he's as terrible as we think he is.
Boesch has a pretty horrendous glove himself.
I think that'd be a good LF platoon next year if they can find a solid RFer. They need a corner OFer regardless, especially if they are gonna keep Inge (no reason not to given the market). Bring Maggs back to DH, cut Guillen.
 
What is funny is that had they gone 5-4 on that road trip in a pennant race, I'd have been happy. Three one-run losses too, these guys haven't given up.

Classy of the Royals fans to give St Pierre a rousing round of applause for his first hit last night. Damon deeking him by throwing the ball in the stands to a kid was hilarious. :thumbdown:

 
Thoughts on Jhonny Peralta? I hate to say it, but I'd probably give him the $7m team option and bring him back next year.

He has 7 HRs and 22 RBIs in 34 games since coming to Detroit and although he's not the greatest range guy, he is a smooth/clean fielder. If you plan to bring Inge back, Peralta is a logical fit at SS.

Plus money needs to go to a corner OFer and please find a damn catcher. I can't take another year of Avila.

 
Thoughts on Jhonny Peralta? I hate to say it, but I'd probably give him the $7m team option and bring him back next year. He has 7 HRs and 22 RBIs in 34 games since coming to Detroit and although he's not the greatest range guy, he is a smooth/clean fielder. If you plan to bring Inge back, Peralta is a logical fit at SS.Plus money needs to go to a corner OFer and please find a damn catcher. I can't take another year of Avila.
He's a perennial strong 2nd half player and his glove is brutal. If he isn't hitting, he's worthless, and he hasn't hit much in the last several years.It isn't my $, but if we choose to execute Peralta's option at the expense of another issue I think that would be very dumb.
 
Thoughts on Jhonny Peralta? I hate to say it, but I'd probably give him the $7m team option and bring him back next year. He has 7 HRs and 22 RBIs in 34 games since coming to Detroit and although he's not the greatest range guy, he is a smooth/clean fielder. If you plan to bring Inge back, Peralta is a logical fit at SS.Plus money needs to go to a corner OFer and please find a damn catcher. I can't take another year of Avila.
He's a perennial strong 2nd half player and his glove is brutal. If he isn't hitting, he's worthless, and he hasn't hit much in the last several years.It isn't my $, but if we choose to execute Peralta's option at the expense of another issue I think that would be very dumb.
He's actually a pretty good fielder at SS with a 1 UZR this year (6.5 per 150) and a 2.6 last year. His career first and second half splits are almost identical at the plate, he's not heroic but he puts up decent numbers for the position. Verlander was great tonight, that slider has been showing up more and more as the season goes along. If he can cut down on his pitch count, he'll win the Cy Young next year.
 
money needs to go to a corner OFer and please find a damn catcher. I can't take another year of Avila.
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Speculation on some FA's the Tigers may go after for next year:Tigers Insider

Adam Dunn likely tops Tigers' 2011 wish list

Lynn Henning / The Detroit News

You half-wonder if the Tigers should consult chemists as much as their accountants when they begin considering how to build a better baseball team for 2011.

It can be a delicate task, measuring how many free agents vs. how many trade acquisitions must be made to fill a roster.

Those calculations and decisions will be finalized later this autumn and winter. For now, the Tigers can at least ponder a few free agents who likely will be on the market beginning in November.

Heavy on a list of those presumed to be of interest for the Tigers:

Adam Dunn, left-hand hitter: Here's the big bat the Tigers ideally would love to place on either side of Miguel Cabrera as a Tigers team gunning for offense prepares to shop. Dunn, 30, could still sign an extension with the Washington Nationals, but that seems beyond unlikely.

The problem for the Tigers is that Dunn is a first baseman. He can play the outfield, technically speaking, but any team that pretends defense is important won't want Dunn in the outfield. It's known, as well, that Dunn isn't interested in becoming a designated hitter.

And so, as long as Cabrera is planted at first base, Dunn could be a lost cause for the Tigers.

John Buck, catcher: Buck is 30, a right-hand hitter, has 15 home runs in 326 at-bats for Toronto, and looks as if he would be an ideal replacement for Gerald Laird, whom the Tigers probably won't retain.

Of course, Buck will be romanced by other clubs, as well, which won't make it any easier for the Tigers -- if they decide Buck is their man to pair with Alex Avila.

Victor Martinez, catcher: He isn't a great receiver, and the Tigers need defense behind the plate. But they also could benefit from a switch-hitter of his skill. Martinez, 31, is a .298 career hitter with 124 home runs in nine big-league seasons. But he has missed his share of games with injuries, he will be expensive, and he tends to be as much of a designated hitter/first baseman as a catcher.

The odds would tend to be long that Martinez and the Tigers would hook up.

Jayson Werth, outfielder: He's the hitter the Tigers crave, no question. Werth slugs for power, for average, and can break up a ballgame in a hurry. He is 31 and has a championship ring from the Philadelphia Phillies.

He will pull a pretty penny this off-season, and don't be surprised if Boston or the New York Yankees are involved, with Werth leaning toward one of those teams.

Werth is no diplomat. But he's a baseball player, a good one, and the Tigers likely will at least make a phone call.

Ted Lilly, left-hand pitcher: He's precisely what the Tigers need in their back-end rotation, particularly if Jeremy Bonderman is no longer part of the picture. Lilly would be a sturdy left-hander in a rotation that desperately needs one and doesn't otherwise figure to get one until Andy Oliver is ready for regular duty, which might not be next spring. Lilly, who turns 35 in January, has in him a bit of Kenny Rogers, which is why he can't be discounted as the Tigers prepare for their off-season browsing.

He said it

"It was one of the best games I've thrown in the big leagues -- and it doesn't feel right."

Max Scherzer, Tigers right-handed pitcher, after he went nine innings (giving up only 4 hits) in an Sept. 1 11-inning 2-1 loss to the Twins.

By the numbers

55 -- Stolen bases amassed by the Tigers in 2010, good for 25th place among all big-league teams.47 -- Stolen bases by Cleveland and San Francisco, the fewest of all teams.

153 -- Tampa Bay's league-leading number of stolen bases. in 2010.

.339 -- Tigers' on-base percentage. in 2010., surpassed by only four other teams: Yankees (.351), Twins (.346) and Braves (.342).

3 -- Complete games thrown by Tigers pitchers.

5 -- Shutouts thrown by Tigers pitchers. Seven teams, likewise, have thrown fewer.

Future Free Agents

Autumn, 2011

Jose Bautista, Blue Jays, infield/outfield

Jonathan Braxton, Dodgers, pitcher

Michael Cuddyer, Twins, right field

Kyle Davies, Royals, pitcher

Prince Fielder, Brewers, first base

Adrian Gonzalez, Padres, first base

Edwin Jackson, White Sox, pitcher

Jonathan Papelbon, Red Sox, pitcher

Nick Swisher, Yankees, outfielder

Rickie Weeks, Brewers, second base

Joel Zumaya, Tigers, pitcher

lynn.henning@detnews.com

From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2010090...t#ixzz0ywnB79KH

 
Thoughts on Jhonny Peralta? I hate to say it, but I'd probably give him the $7m team option and bring him back next year. He has 7 HRs and 22 RBIs in 34 games since coming to Detroit and although he's not the greatest range guy, he is a smooth/clean fielder. If you plan to bring Inge back, Peralta is a logical fit at SS.Plus money needs to go to a corner OFer and please find a damn catcher. I can't take another year of Avila.
He's a perennial strong 2nd half player and his glove is brutal. If he isn't hitting, he's worthless, and he hasn't hit much in the last several years.It isn't my $, but if we choose to execute Peralta's option at the expense of another issue I think that would be very dumb.
He's actually a pretty good fielder at SS with a 1 UZR this year (6.5 per 150) and a 2.6 last year. His career first and second half splits are almost identical at the plate, he's not heroic but he puts up decent numbers for the position. Verlander was great tonight, that slider has been showing up more and more as the season goes along. If he can cut down on his pitch count, he'll win the Cy Young next year.
UZR needs a large sample size to be even remotely accurate and both of the last two years have seen Peralta with small sample sizes at short. In the four years before that, 2005-2008, Peralta played full time at short and was a negative defender each year. He's not a good shortstop, and nowhere near worth $7 million dollars.He's been solid with the Tigers, but I think it's more likely that he will perform more similar to his career numbers in 2011 than in his brief stay here thus far. That makes him an average to slightly below average hitter and a below average fielder. Decline the option and bring him back for $3-4 million, give one of the kids a shot at it everyday, or do something crazy like sign a third baseman and move Inge to short.
 
igbomb said:
Thoughts on Jhonny Peralta? I hate to say it, but I'd probably give him the $7m team option and bring him back next year. He has 7 HRs and 22 RBIs in 34 games since coming to Detroit and although he's not the greatest range guy, he is a smooth/clean fielder. If you plan to bring Inge back, Peralta is a logical fit at SS.Plus money needs to go to a corner OFer and please find a damn catcher. I can't take another year of Avila.
He's a perennial strong 2nd half player and his glove is brutal. If he isn't hitting, he's worthless, and he hasn't hit much in the last several years.It isn't my $, but if we choose to execute Peralta's option at the expense of another issue I think that would be very dumb.
He's actually a pretty good fielder at SS with a 1 UZR this year (6.5 per 150) and a 2.6 last year. His career first and second half splits are almost identical at the plate, he's not heroic but he puts up decent numbers for the position. Verlander was great tonight, that slider has been showing up more and more as the season goes along. If he can cut down on his pitch count, he'll win the Cy Young next year.
UZR needs a large sample size to be even remotely accurate and both of the last two years have seen Peralta with small sample sizes at short. In the four years before that, 2005-2008, Peralta played full time at short and was a negative defender each year. He's not a good shortstop, and nowhere near worth $7 million dollars.He's been solid with the Tigers, but I think it's more likely that he will perform more similar to his career numbers in 2011 than in his brief stay here thus far. That makes him an average to slightly below average hitter and a below average fielder. Decline the option and bring him back for $3-4 million, give one of the kids a shot at it everyday, or do something crazy like sign a third baseman and move Inge to short.
Yeah that's really a great idea except the Tigers don't have "kids" to play at SS. Iorg has been decent, but I doubt he is even close to being ready to be an everyday SS in the majors. Worth is not a great SS in the field. Plus the fact is the team already has enoguh "kids" as Boesch will be no worse than a platoon next year, we are stuck with Avila and Jackson is the everyday CFer. Add in Rhymes or Sizemore at 2B and that is a lot of young guys with only Jackson being a sure thing (he's so much better than I thought he was gonna be). Peralta in his last full season at SS in 2008 was 5th in fielding percentage and 5th in range factor for all qualified ML SSs. His UZR was -1.1, that is not terrible. Slightly below average, yes. I also completely disagree with Peralta being a slightly below average hitter for that position. His OPS this year is second among AL SS. He was 10th last year but 1st in OPS in 2008, and third in 2007. That is not slightly below average for a hitter at the SS position, that is decidedly above average. Would be nice to bring him back at the 3/4 mill but that might not be realistic and Brandon Inge at SS has potential to be a disaster. There are no real good FA options so I'm just saying that Peralta given what he has shown so far, based on his past and based on the market is probably the best option. There are certainly bigger fish to fry as we so desperately need a corner OFer and one more bat and starting pitcher, but you can do a lot worse than Peralta. Adam Everett and Ramon Santiago are fielding gems, but neither hits a whole lot. Peralta is a guy you can hit 6th or 7th who can deliver power in streaks.
 
So i guess Victor Martinez's name has been mentioned in possible Detroit off-season moves, not sure where they started.

Martinez certainly would be a good fit as a guy who could play about 70 games at catcher, and the rest at 1B or DH. Man I wish they weren't stuck with that Guillen contract, that thing is painful for next year because Detroit has very good options at 2B in Rhymes, Sizemore or even Worth. Martinez would have to catch some though and he's not very good back there. Also would cost Detroit it's first round pick to get him.

 
So i guess Victor Martinez's name has been mentioned in possible Detroit off-season moves, not sure where they started. Martinez certainly would be a good fit as a guy who could play about 70 games at catcher, and the rest at 1B or DH. Man I wish they weren't stuck with that Guillen contract, that thing is painful for next year because Detroit has very good options at 2B in Rhymes, Sizemore or even Worth. Martinez would have to catch some though and he's not very good back there. Also would cost Detroit it's first round pick to get him.
I see them eating the final year of Guillen's contract like they did with Sheffield, Robertson, and Dontrelle. He won't be around in 2011. Even if that happens, I'm not a big fan of Martinez since he is so injury prone and would have to DH a lot. There aren't a ton of great options in FA this year though. I think someone else will overpay for him and he ends up going elsewhere anyway.
 
Not a great weekend but a nice finish as Verlander was dominant and Miggy once again delivers the big hit.

Avila is so bad, so bad. Will Rhymes may not be an every day player, hard to tell, but he's certainly made an impression. Would like to see Sizemore get some starts at 3B in these three weeks. Boesch has not been too bad lately and he's really working counts.

I'll be at the next two games in Texas, looking forward to it with the Rangers in the playoff mix and my last chance to see my Tiger Jeremy Bonderman in a Tigers uniform.

 
Max Scherzer's 2nd half totals:

6-4

97 IP

2.22 ERA

1.08 WHIP

93 Ks

32 BBs

Scherzer struggled badly in the first half as we discussed in May and June but he righted the ship to the point I think he's definitely a #2 starter.

He has a wicked slurve, he is throwing the change-up with confidence and he is locating his fastball. Scherzer was off the plate early in the year, unable to find the strike zone. That meant he was throwing his good fastball right down the middle in hitters counts and he obviously had trouble. Since his trip to Toledo he is throwing his off speed stuff with great confidence and it sets up his plus fastball which he can throw in any count. His Ks and BBs first half to second are similar, but he's not leaving things over the plate because he's always behind in the count.

This team has actually had a lot of bright spots this year but Scherzer's performance is the most encouraging because the Tigers now have a #1 and #2 starters with Porcello due to rebound as a nice #3/#4 guy. Add a lefthander in there and one of the young arms (probably Oliver) and you have a team ready to not only be great in the regular season, but in the playoffs. Not sure where the pundits will stand next year in March, but if they add a bat or three and a lefthanded starter to slot behind Verlander and Scherzer, I think this is a pennant contender. Lots of work to be done but I certainly have liked what I've saw over the last month.

 
Max Scherzer's 2nd half totals:6-497 IP2.22 ERA1.08 WHIP93 Ks32 BBsScherzer struggled badly in the first half as we discussed in May and June but he righted the ship to the point I think he's definitely a #2 starter.He has a wicked slurve, he is throwing the change-up with confidence and he is locating his fastball. Scherzer was off the plate early in the year, unable to find the strike zone. That meant he was throwing his good fastball right down the middle in hitters counts and he obviously had trouble. Since his trip to Toledo he is throwing his off speed stuff with great confidence and it sets up his plus fastball which he can throw in any count. His Ks and BBs first half to second are similar, but he's not leaving things over the plate because he's always behind in the count. This team has actually had a lot of bright spots this year but Scherzer's performance is the most encouraging because the Tigers now have a #1 and #2 starters with Porcello due to rebound as a nice #3/#4 guy. Add a lefthander in there and one of the young arms (probably Oliver) and you have a team ready to not only be great in the regular season, but in the playoffs. Not sure where the pundits will stand next year in March, but if they add a bat or three and a lefthanded starter to slot behind Verlander and Scherzer, I think this is a pennant contender. Lots of work to be done but I certainly have liked what I've saw over the last month.
Heard Mad Max after the game last night and he gave all the credit to developing his slider. Said his slider has made all of his other pitches more effective.
 
I'm proud of these guys, they have shown a ton of heart down the stretch.
Me too. Sure beats the end to the 2008 season. It's gonna be fun watching these young players continue to develop. They still have a chance to catch Chicago for 2nd place too. Will be interesting to see what Dombrowski does to improve the team this offseason - Leyland was in the paper today saying he wants bullpen help and I don't blame him.
 
So the Tigers played a lot of rookies and young players this year. Which is good - there seems to be some real talent. The problem is none of the young players are impact players. They all just range from solid everyday player to platoon player to utility player.

I'd say the best is pretty clearly Jackson. He's a real good, solid player but - unless something changes - not a star.

Then there is:

Boesch - platoon player at best

Sizemore - I still have high hopes that Sizemore will be a good, solid 2b for a while for the Tigers

Rhymes - 27 year old light hitting rookie. Obviously not a future star. Could be a solid backup for a while.

Worth - no real bat. Could be a ML backup.

Wells - obviously had a terrific audition this year. Like Boesch, this surely is a hot start that can't continue. Could be a solid ML outfielder.

Avila - Didn't have a good year, but he's only 23. Still high hopes that he will be a very solid everyday catcher.

Overall - there is some depth there but, again, no stars. To find the impact players, they are going to have to go outside the organization. That's not the end of the world, though, considering they do have some pitchers that are potentially top of the rotation guys. You'd like your minor league to have quality pitchers and position players. The Tigers don't have the star position players but they may have star pitchers. We shall see.

 
####### Cabrera got hurt sliding back into first and it didn't look very good. Rod Allen saying it is an ankle but it looked like a knee to me.

That sucks, was hoping he'd get to 40.

 
So the Tigers played a lot of rookies and young players this year. Which is good - there seems to be some real talent. The problem is none of the young players are impact players. They all just range from solid everyday player to platoon player to utility player.I'd say the best is pretty clearly Jackson. He's a real good, solid player but - unless something changes - not a star.Then there is:Boesch - platoon player at bestSizemore - I still have high hopes that Sizemore will be a good, solid 2b for a while for the TigersRhymes - 27 year old light hitting rookie. Obviously not a future star. Could be a solid backup for a while.Worth - no real bat. Could be a ML backup.Wells - obviously had a terrific audition this year. Like Boesch, this surely is a hot start that can't continue. Could be a solid ML outfielder.Avila - Didn't have a good year, but he's only 23. Still high hopes that he will be a very solid everyday catcher.Overall - there is some depth there but, again, no stars. To find the impact players, they are going to have to go outside the organization. That's not the end of the world, though, considering they do have some pitchers that are potentially top of the rotation guys. You'd like your minor league to have quality pitchers and position players. The Tigers don't have the star position players but they may have star pitchers. We shall see.
That is the problem with the Tigers..too many backups in starting roles.Inge- Should be a backup or utility player on any team. In fact I would like to see Inge gone, the guy has no upside.Rhymes- backup IFWorth- backup INBoesch- ??? fourth OFSizemore- Could be OK in a year or twoLaird- Too bad this guy could not hit 250 with 15 HRs and 60-65 RBI..but he can`tThe guy I am somewhat high on is Rayburn. At 29 he seems to have finally matured as a hitter. IF RR could hit foe a whole season like he has the last two months one of the problems is solved. RR has the potential to be a 25 HR 90 RBI guy.
 
I'd be happy if they got one slugger behind Miggy that put enough fear in the other team where they would be forced to pitch to him.

I doubt that we have that guy right now, Miggy's buddy (the high priced) Mags might be the closest thing.

 
Verlander made some really ####ty pitches tonight including that terrible 0-2 change-up with two outs that was lined to CF to make it 3-2 but the end of the game was vintage Verlander.

Bases loaded, one out in the 7th and then...

100 mph fastball swing and miss

101 mph fastball swing and miss

101 mph fastball swing and miss

100 mph fastball for a ball

100 mph fastball swing and foul back

101 mph fastball swing and miss

101 mph fastball swing and miss

The second batter was Shin-Soo Choo, who he struck out 4 times tonight.

Also Brandon Inge is so unclutch it makes me sick. His at bat with runners at the corners and 1 out in the 5th where he took three half swings was sickening. I think having Peralta allows them to let Inge go, and I'm not against it. I'm pretty tired of seeing him choke when it counts which he has become an expert at.

 
This team, no matter the stakes, cannot win when it counts. Be it clinch a division or win to finish the season over .500 they just gag on any type of pressure.

 
This team, no matter the stakes, cannot win when it counts. Be it clinch a division or win to finish the season over .500 they just gag on any type of pressure.
If they end over .500 and sign a Type-A this off-season, they lose their first round pick. If not, it's protected.Silver linings...
 
Some info on 2011. I read elsewhere on the blog that Leyland wants to move Coke into the rotation next year. Obviously that could change depending upon who they sign or trade for, but if that is the case, they should just fire Leyland now and be done with it.

http://beck.mlblogs.com/

Tigers want Inge back, and other end-of-season items

Just finished a long, long conversation with Dave Dombrowski, and he pretty much mapped out the Tigers' offseason plans and priorities. The biggest point of it: The Tigers will indeed be looking for a middle-of-the-order bat, either in the outfield or at DH, but they want to keep Brandon Inge and Jhonny Peralta at 3B and SS, respectively.

Dombrowski confirmed the Tigers have talked to Inge and his agents, Sam and Seth Levinson, in the last couple days about a multi-year contract and made him an offer. It's still early, but considering Inge clearly wants to stay in Detroit and the Tigers not only want him back, but seem to consider it a priority, there's every ingredient for a match.

"We want him back," Dombrowski said of Inge.

The Levinsons also represent Peralta, and Dombrowski said they've been in touch about him, too. That doesn't mean they're going to pick up his $7.25 million option, but one way or another, they would like to have him back at shortstop.

"We're looking to sign him as our shortstop," Dombrowski said.

The other contract option they face is Magglio Ordonez, who is in a middle ground right now. Not surprisingly, Dombrowski said they've told Ordonez and agent Scott Boras that they will not exercise his $15 million option. However, Dombrowski indicated that they're open to bringing him back.

"That will not close the door by any means," Dombrowski said. "For us, he is definitely a possibility."

Ordonez, in turn, expressed what Dombrowski called "a strong desire to remain a Tiger." So again, the two key pieces for a deal are there. Whether that results in an agreement is something different. Ordonez is a Boras client, and as the Yankees will attest with Johnny Damon, sometimes those negotiations can stretch out in an effort to get the best deal.

"Magglio will not be a quick sign," Dombrowski said.

As for the rest of the pending Tigers free agents, the answer is essentially no. Dombrowski told Johnny Damon and Gerald Laird they will not be purusing them as free agents, and Dombrowski said they "most likely" won't pursue Jeremy Bonderman.

"We're not closing the door per se, but we're not actively pursuing him," Dombrowski said of Bonderman.

Some of the other notes to come out of the nearly hour-long interview:

•Alex Avila is going to get the majority of the starts at catcher next year. As Dombrowski said, "We're going to give Alex Avila the primary responsibility at catcher."

•Dombrowski stopped short of saying Ryan Raburn is an everyday outfielder, but he came awfully close. "I think we feel he can be a primary guy," Dombrowski said. "I wouldn't say he's an everyday guy, but he's going to play a lot."

•Confirming what Dombrowski told WDFN next month, they'll go into next season with Will Rhymes and Scott Sizemore competing for time at second base. Dombrowski also said Danny Worth could see time there, as could Carlos Guillen when he's healthy.

•Dombrowski on Rhymes: "We like what we see. We think he has a chance to be a spark for us."

•Dombrowski seconded what Leyland said earlier about the bullpen as a priority. "Ideally, we'd like to have one more guy in the back end," said Dombrowski, who used Brandon Lyon as an example of the kind of signing they'd like to make there.

•The Tigers will not be pursuing Cliff Lee, or anyone at the very top end of the free-agent starting market. However, Dombrowski cautioned that they won't necessarily be looking for a stereotypical fifth starter.

•The Tigers are open to having a full-time DH, if that's what it takes to add a bat in the middle of the order. In other words, they can find room for Adam Dunn.

•Brennan Boesch and Casper Wells will compete for outfield spots next year.

 
Some info on 2011. I read elsewhere on the blog that Leyland wants to move Coke into the rotation next year. Obviously that could change depending upon who they sign or trade for, but if that is the case, they should just fire Leyland now and be done with it.
Why? Seems to make sense to me.
 

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