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[Doctor Detroit]

Purcey has to go and they need another starter.

If they don't win this division I'll be embarrassed.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Purcey has to go and they need another starter. If they don't win this division I'll be embarrassed.

I also have to wonder how many runs we lose having Ordonez batting 3rd...what a joke.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

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The biggest problem remains the fifth starter, whoever he is. That spot in the rotation is a combined 1-11 with a 5.25 ERA. And in those 20 starts, the team is 4-16

That is brutal.

 

[Limp Ditka]

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The biggest problem remains the fifth starter, whoever he is. That spot in the rotation is a combined 1-11 with a 5.25 ERA. And in those 20 starts, the team is 4-16

That is brutal.

Yeah it is. But at least your starting pitching is better than the White Sox's

 

[jon_mx]

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The biggest problem remains the fifth starter, whoever he is. That spot in the rotation is a combined 1-11 with a 5.25 ERA. And in those 20 starts, the team is 4-16

That is brutal.

Hell, I am worried about starters 3 and 4.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

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The biggest problem remains the fifth starter, whoever he is. That spot in the rotation is a combined 1-11 with a 5.25 ERA. And in those 20 starts, the team is 4-16

That is brutal.

Yeah it is. But at least your starting pitching is better than the White Sox's

I already answered your question in the other thread ####head. Right now they are almost equal statistically and the Tigers have the two best pitchers of the combined staffs.

 

[Limp Ditka]

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The biggest problem remains the fifth starter, whoever he is. That spot in the rotation is a combined 1-11 with a 5.25 ERA. And in those 20 starts, the team is 4-16

That is brutal.

Yeah it is. But at least your starting pitching is better than the White Sox's

I already answered your question in the other thread ####head. Right now they are almost equal statistically and the Tigers have the two best pitchers of the combined staffs.

That 11-6 record of Max's is pretty cute, but you have an awfully high opinion of Max when 4 of the Sox starting 5 have a better ERA than him and all 5 have WHIP than he does

 

[Doctor Detroit]

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The biggest problem remains the fifth starter, whoever he is. That spot in the rotation is a combined 1-11 with a 5.25 ERA. And in those 20 starts, the team is 4-16

That is brutal.

Yeah it is. But at least your starting pitching is better than the White Sox's

I already answered your question in the other thread ####head. Right now they are almost equal statistically and the Tigers have the two best pitchers of the combined staffs.

That 11-6 record of Max's is pretty cute, but you have an awfully high opinion of Max when 4 of the Sox starting 5 have a better ERA than him and all 5 have WHIP than he does

You would trade every one of those middling starters you have for Scherzer, and if you didn't you're an idiot. Floyd=trash, has been for years. 13.3 career WAR, Verlander might have that this year.

Danks=most underrated on staff, nice #4 starter that I wish the Tigers had.

Humber=cut by every team in baseball. HGH year followed by a bunch of years with 6+ ERA coming.

EJAX=best starter, but you traded him for a pot of rutabagas

Buehrle=Must be elite because he threw a no hitter right? Great #3 starter, consistent, nothing really great.

Jake Peavy=

Scherzer has seven starts where he's given up five or more and 13 where he gives up two or less. He's either great or pretty bad but his talent and upside easily exceeds any of those guys on that staff you got over there. I guess calling 11 wins is "cute," especially considered he's had 13 games allowing two runs or less. Not sure how to play that one, you must have not looked that up even though I am pretty sure you are a Scherzer fantasy owner.

Oh and don't look now but Rick Porcello who you couldn't get for three of those bums is starting to figure it out at 22 years old. Yikes. WE WIN!!!!!

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Porcello is really pitching well of late. With the exception of those 3 terrible starts in a row, Porcello has been pretty solid all year. Those 3 games added about a run to his ERA.

It's been mentioned before, but it sure is nice to have Guillen back.

 

[Limp Ditka]

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The biggest problem remains the fifth starter, whoever he is. That spot in the rotation is a combined 1-11 with a 5.25 ERA. And in those 20 starts, the team is 4-16

That is brutal.

Yeah it is. But at least your starting pitching is better than the White Sox's

I already answered your question in the other thread ####head. Right now they are almost equal statistically and the Tigers have the two best pitchers of the combined staffs.

That 11-6 record of Max's is pretty cute, but you have an awfully high opinion of Max when 4 of the Sox starting 5 have a better ERA than him and all 5 have WHIP than he does

You would trade every one of those middling starters you have for Scherzer, and if you didn't you're an idiot. Floyd=trash, has been for years. 13.3 career WAR, Verlander might have that this year.

Danks=most underrated on staff, nice #4 starter that I wish the Tigers had.

Humber=cut by every team in baseball. HGH year followed by a bunch of years with 6+ ERA coming.

EJAX=best starter, but you traded him for a pot of rutabagas

Buehrle=Must be elite because he threw a no hitter right? Great #3 starter, consistent, nothing really great.

Jake Peavy=

Scherzer has seven starts where he's given up five or more and 13 where he gives up two or less. He's either great or pretty bad but his talent and upside easily exceeds any of those guys on that staff you got over there. I guess calling 11 wins is "cute," especially considered he's had 13 games allowing two runs or less. Not sure how to play that one, you must have not looked that up even though I am pretty sure you are a Scherzer fantasy owner.

Oh and don't look now but Rick Porcello who you couldn't get for three of those bums is starting to figure it out at 22 years old. Yikes. WE WIN!!!!!

I'm not worried about trade value, I'm worried about what they bring to the table for this season.So while the Tigers are trotting the likes of Furbush (Christo>hi), Penny, Coke as your 4s and 5s, I'll realize that starting pitching in today's games = 5 pitchers and yours takes a big when you're getting 1 win out of your 5th starter

And you want to play the WAR game and you're going to peg Danks as a four?



On who, the Phillies? Danks had a rough start to this year and his numbers are down. But he's been lights out since he's come off the DL and there's no reason to think he won't continue.

EJAX was the White Sox best pitcher? You're ####### delusional. He's a two trick pony and the second that slider doesn't slide, he's meat. You saw what in Detroit in May. Back to the WAR game, go look at his numbers. They're garbage

Seriously, you're better than this.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

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The biggest problem remains the fifth starter, whoever he is. That spot in the rotation is a combined 1-11 with a 5.25 ERA. And in those 20 starts, the team is 4-16

That is brutal.

Yeah it is. But at least your starting pitching is better than the White Sox's

I already answered your question in the other thread ####head. Right now they are almost equal statistically and the Tigers have the two best pitchers of the combined staffs.

That 11-6 record of Max's is pretty cute, but you have an awfully high opinion of Max when 4 of the Sox starting 5 have a better ERA than him and all 5 have WHIP than he does

You would trade every one of those middling starters you have for Scherzer, and if you didn't you're an idiot. Floyd=trash, has been for years. 13.3 career WAR, Verlander might have that this year.

Danks=most underrated on staff, nice #4 starter that I wish the Tigers had.

Humber=cut by every team in baseball. HGH year followed by a bunch of years with 6+ ERA coming.

EJAX=best starter, but you traded him for a pot of rutabagas

Buehrle=Must be elite because he threw a no hitter right? Great #3 starter, consistent, nothing really great.

Jake Peavy=

Scherzer has seven starts where he's given up five or more and 13 where he gives up two or less. He's either great or pretty bad but his talent and upside easily exceeds any of those guys on that staff you got over there. I guess calling 11 wins is "cute," especially considered he's had 13 games allowing two runs or less. Not sure how to play that one, you must have not looked that up even though I am pretty sure you are a Scherzer fantasy owner.

Oh and don't look now but Rick Porcello who you couldn't get for three of those bums is starting to figure it out at 22 years old. Yikes. WE WIN!!!!!

I'm not worried about trade value, I'm worried about what they bring to the table for this season.So while the Tigers are trotting the likes of Furbush (Christo>hi), Penny, Coke as your 4s and 5s, I'll realize that starting pitching in today's games = 5 pitchers and yours takes a big when you're getting 1 win out of your 5th starter

And you want to play the WAR game and you're going to peg Danks as a four?



On who, the Phillies? Danks had a rough start to this year and his numbers are down. But he's been lights out since he's come off the DL and there's no reason to think he won't continue.

EJAX was the White Sox best pitcher? You're ####### delusional. He's a two trick pony and the second that slider doesn't slide, he's meat. You saw what in Detroit in May. Back to the WAR game, go look at his numbers. They're garbage

Seriously, you're better than this.

Danks: 3-8 3.97 ERA 1.33 WHIP 2.5 k/BB 1.6 WARScherzer: 11-6 4.28 ERA 1.38 WHIP 2.65 K/BB 1.7 WAR

So you think Danks is some sort of #2 but you don't think much of Scherzer, ok. I like the #4 on the Phillies line, good mix of comedy and homerism.

Also you're better than using the you're better than this line. I thought that was for the Jonessed of this world.

 

[Limp Ditka]

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The biggest problem remains the fifth starter, whoever he is. That spot in the rotation is a combined 1-11 with a 5.25 ERA. And in those 20 starts, the team is 4-16

That is brutal.

Yeah it is. But at least your starting pitching is better than the White Sox's

I already answered your question in the other thread ####head. Right now they are almost equal statistically and the Tigers have the two best pitchers of the combined staffs.

That 11-6 record of Max's is pretty cute, but you have an awfully high opinion of Max when 4 of the Sox starting 5 have a better ERA than him and all 5 have WHIP than he does

You would trade every one of those middling starters you have for Scherzer, and if you didn't you're an idiot. Floyd=trash, has been for years. 13.3 career WAR, Verlander might have that this year.

Danks=most underrated on staff, nice #4 starter that I wish the Tigers had.

Humber=cut by every team in baseball. HGH year followed by a bunch of years with 6+ ERA coming.

EJAX=best starter, but you traded him for a pot of rutabagas

Buehrle=Must be elite because he threw a no hitter right? Great #3 starter, consistent, nothing really great.

Jake Peavy=

Scherzer has seven starts where he's given up five or more and 13 where he gives up two or less. He's either great or pretty bad but his talent and upside easily exceeds any of those guys on that staff you got over there. I guess calling 11 wins is "cute," especially considered he's had 13 games allowing two runs or less. Not sure how to play that one, you must have not looked that up even though I am pretty sure you are a Scherzer fantasy owner.

Oh and don't look now but Rick Porcello who you couldn't get for three of those bums is starting to figure it out at 22 years old. Yikes. WE WIN!!!!!

I'm not worried about trade value, I'm worried about what they bring to the table for this season.So while the Tigers are trotting the likes of Furbush (Christo>hi), Penny, Coke as your 4s and 5s, I'll realize that starting pitching in today's games = 5 pitchers and yours takes a big when you're getting 1 win out of your 5th starter

And you want to play the WAR game and you're going to peg Danks as a four?



On who, the Phillies? Danks had a rough start to this year and his numbers are down. But he's been lights out since he's come off the DL and there's no reason to think he won't continue.

EJAX was the White Sox best pitcher? You're ####### delusional. He's a two trick pony and the second that slider doesn't slide, he's meat. You saw what in Detroit in May. Back to the WAR game, go look at his numbers. They're garbage

Seriously, you're better than this.

Danks: 3-8 3.97 ERA 1.33 WHIP 2.5 k/BB 1.6 WARScherzer: 11-6 4.28 ERA 1.38 WHIP 2.65 K/BB 1.7 WAR

So you think Danks is some sort of #2 but you don't think much of Scherzer, ok. I like the #4 on the Phillies line, good mix of comedy and homerism.

Also you're better than using the you're better than this line. I thought that was for the Jonessed of this world.

I'll use the track record as a trump card to sway things in Danks favor2008 - 6.4

2009 - 4.8

2010 - 4.8

Wake me when Max sniffs 4, let alone 5.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Mark Buerhle's WAR 2.8

Gavin Floyd's WAR 1.7 and going up after a gem tonight

Phil Humber's WAR 2.5

Max is a nice kid, with freaky eyes and a lot of potential. He ain't a 2 on the White Sox right now.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

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The biggest problem remains the fifth starter, whoever he is. That spot in the rotation is a combined 1-11 with a 5.25 ERA. And in those 20 starts, the team is 4-16

That is brutal.

Yeah it is. But at least your starting pitching is better than the White Sox's

I already answered your question in the other thread ####head. Right now they are almost equal statistically and the Tigers have the two best pitchers of the combined staffs.

That 11-6 record of Max's is pretty cute, but you have an awfully high opinion of Max when 4 of the Sox starting 5 have a better ERA than him and all 5 have WHIP than he does

You would trade every one of those middling starters you have for Scherzer, and if you didn't you're an idiot. Floyd=trash, has been for years. 13.3 career WAR, Verlander might have that this year.

Danks=most underrated on staff, nice #4 starter that I wish the Tigers had.

Humber=cut by every team in baseball. HGH year followed by a bunch of years with 6+ ERA coming.

EJAX=best starter, but you traded him for a pot of rutabagas

Buehrle=Must be elite because he threw a no hitter right? Great #3 starter, consistent, nothing really great.

Jake Peavy=

Scherzer has seven starts where he's given up five or more and 13 where he gives up two or less. He's either great or pretty bad but his talent and upside easily exceeds any of those guys on that staff you got over there. I guess calling 11 wins is "cute," especially considered he's had 13 games allowing two runs or less. Not sure how to play that one, you must have not looked that up even though I am pretty sure you are a Scherzer fantasy owner.

Oh and don't look now but Rick Porcello who you couldn't get for three of those bums is starting to figure it out at 22 years old. Yikes. WE WIN!!!!!

I'm not worried about trade value, I'm worried about what they bring to the table for this season.So while the Tigers are trotting the likes of Furbush (Christo>hi), Penny, Coke as your 4s and 5s, I'll realize that starting pitching in today's games = 5 pitchers and yours takes a big when you're getting 1 win out of your 5th starter

And you want to play the WAR game and you're going to peg Danks as a four?



On who, the Phillies? Danks had a rough start to this year and his numbers are down. But he's been lights out since he's come off the DL and there's no reason to think he won't continue.

EJAX was the White Sox best pitcher? You're ####### delusional. He's a two trick pony and the second that slider doesn't slide, he's meat. You saw what in Detroit in May. Back to the WAR game, go look at his numbers. They're garbage

Seriously, you're better than this.

Danks: 3-8 3.97 ERA 1.33 WHIP 2.5 k/BB 1.6 WARScherzer: 11-6 4.28 ERA 1.38 WHIP 2.65 K/BB 1.7 WAR

So you think Danks is some sort of #2 but you don't think much of Scherzer, ok. I like the #4 on the Phillies line, good mix of comedy and homerism.

Also you're better than using the you're better than this line. I thought that was for the Jonessed of this world.

I'll use the track record as a trump card to sway things in Danks favor2008 - 6.4

2009 - 4.8

2010 - 4.8

Wake me when Max sniffs 4, let alone 5.

Don't get mad gb, get even.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Mark Buerhle's WAR 2.8Gavin Floyd's WAR 1.7 and going up after a gem tonightPhil Humber's WAR 2.5Max is a nice kid, with freaky eyes and a lot of potential. He ain't a 2 on the White Sox right now.

So add those up and throw in Danks and that is a WAR of 8.6. Verlander, Porcello, Scherzer and Penny combined is 8.9. Like I said, they are pretty much even starting staffs at this point. When the Tigers get Kuroda or my man Fister, look out!

 

[Leroy Hoard]

5th starters 1-11 this year, won't be too hard to upgrade that position. Much like 2nd & 3rd base earlier.

 

[whoknew]

Tigers get Fister and Pauley for Furbush and Wells and possibly others.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Tigers get Fister and Pauley for Furbush and Wells and possibly others.

They also called up Turner to start tonight. It's probably only for one start, but I am really looking forward to seeing him pitch.

 

[jon_mx]

Tigers get Fister and Pauley for Furbush and Wells and possibly others.

 

[Comer]

Tigers get Fister and Pauley for Furbush and Wells and possibly others.

They also called up Turner to start tonight. It's probably only for one start, but I am really looking forward to seeing him pitch.

. I will be at the game. I can't wait to see Turner pitch.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Tigers get Fister and Pauley for Furbush and Wells and possibly others.

The Tigers reportedly are also sending Francisco Martinez in the deal. Link

The Tigers are calling up 20-year-old super-prospect Jacob Turner to start Saturday against the Angels, but by the end of the day, they expect to announce a new member of their starting rotation.

According to sources, the Tigers have completed a trade that will net them Mariners starter Doug Fister and reliever David Pauley. The Tigers have been desperate to find a starting pitcher, and have become concerned about their bullpen depth because of questions about Al Alburquerque's health.



As part of the deal for Fister and Pauley, the Mariners will get pitcher Charlie Furbush, who has been on the Tigers' big-league roster, as well as outfielder Casper Wells (from Triple-A Toledo) and 20-year-old third baseman Francisco Martinez (from Double-A Erie). Martinez is one of the Tigers' very best prospects, but they have depth at that position, with Nick Castellanos (at Class A West Michigan) also considered a top prospect.

The addition of Wells, who has hit .286 in 100 career big-league games, and Martinez (.282 with 46 RBI at Erie) should help the Mariners, who desperately needed to add some bats to their organization. Furbush, who has a 3.62 ERA in 17 big-league games this year, should also help them.

There was talk Saturday morning that the Mariners had at one point backed away from the proposed deal, but talks continued, and sources said the deal had been completed.

Turner, who has been pitching at Double-A Erie (and was scheduled to start for the SeaWolves Saturday night), is expected to return to the minor leagues after making his big-league debut.

The 27-year-old Fister became the Tigers' top available choice, once they realized that they couldn't get either Ubaldo Jimenez or James Shields. The Tigers were told earlier this week that the Mariners didn't intend to trade Fister, but they kept trying.

Turner almost certainly would have had to be in any deal the Tigers made for Jimenez, but sources said the Rockies also demanded that a major-league pitcher be part of the deal (most likely Rick Porcello). At one point, the Rockies apparently also asked for outfielder Brennan Boesch.

Fister is just 3-12 in 21 starts this year for the Mariners, but that has more to do with Seattle's woeful offense. His ERA is 3.33, and his 1.17 WHIP (walks and hits per innings pitched) is less than that of Tim Lincecum, C.J. Wilson, Felix Hernandez and Jon Lester, among others.

The Tigers scouted each of Fister's last two starts, including when he allowed just three runs in seven innings in a 4-1 loss to the Yankees on Tuesday night. In Fister's five starts this month, the Mariners have scored just three runs total while he was in the game.

Fister makes just $436,500, and came into this season with just over one year of major-league service time, so he won't be eligible for free agency until after the 2015 season.

The 28-year-old Pauley has a 2.15 ERA in 39 appearances for the Mariners this year.

 

[jon_mx]

Here is a pretty good analysis of the trade. Nothing to get too excited about, but the Tigers will see some benefit this season. Really, if we can just win a few games at the 5th spot, it will be a plus.

Tigers may be underwhelmed by Doug Fister, David Pauley

Matthew Pouliot Jul 30, 2011, 12:43 PM EDT

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The Tigers tried this on deadline day two years ago when they sent two youngsters to Seattle for Jarrod Washburn. At the time, Washburn had a 2.64 ERA and a 79/33 K/BB ratio in 133 innings for the Mariners.

As it turned out, Washburn was a major bust in Detroit, going 1-3 with a 7.33 ERA in eight starts. Knee problems had something to do with his struggles, but exiting Safeco Field also played a big role.

Now the Tigers are hoping a pitcher with a 3.33 ERA and a 89/32 K/BB ratio in 146 innings for Seattle can make a difference for them. They sent left-hander Charlie Furbush, outfielder Casper Wells, third baseman Francisco Martinez and a player to be named to the Mariners for right-handers Doug Fister and David Pauley on Saturday.

It wasn’t necessarily a huge price to pay. And, for what it’s worth, neither of the prospects the Tigers gave up two years ago, left-handers Luke French and Mauricio Robles, have helped Seattle a bit.

Furbush, 25, will be looked at as the key piece for Seattle. The 2007 fourth-round pick made his major league debut earlier this season and did an excellent job out of the pen before flopping in a pair of starts. He throws in the low-90s and has a nice curve. He’s probably a long-term fourth or fifth starter, but Seattle could make him look better than that.

Wells, 26, wasn’t getting a chance to be more than a bit player in Detroit, but he had a fine .286/.341/.490 line in 206 at-bats since arriving last year. He probably won’t be good enough against right-handers to cut it as a full-timer, but he makes for an excellent fourth outfielder and the Mariners should give him quite a bit of time in left field right away.

Martinez is a wild card. The 20-year-old just played for the World squad in the Futures Game a couple of weeks ago, but he’s a career .277/.329/.361 hitter with 13 homers in 1,108 minor league at-bats. His stock is definitely up this year, as he’s more than held his own by hitting .282/.319/.405 as one of the youngest position players in Double-A. However, his plate disclipline leaves much to be desired.

The Tigers are banking on Fister and Pauley upgrading a Tigers pitching staff that ranks 11th in the AL in ERA. And they probably will. The Tigers had gotten a terrible run of outings from their fifth starters since Phil Coke got hurt in late May. Fister owes a lot to Safeco Field and Franklin Gutierrez, but he did have a 3.71 ERA in 10 road starts this season. For his career, he had a 4.40 ERA in 25 starts away outside of Seattle.

I doubt Fister will post a sub-4.00 ERA as a Tiger, but if he can just go out there and give up three runs over six innings, then he’ll be doing his job.

Pauley isn’t likely to be much of an asset. The journeyman right-hander had an awesome run at the beginning of the season, allowing three runs in 32 1/3 innings through the end of May. However, he has a 4.09 ERA and a 14/11 K/BB ratio in 22 innings since. He also had a 0.67 ERA at Safeco for the season, compared to a 3.62 ERA elsewhere. He may work as an innings-eating middle reliever for the Tigers, but he shouldn’t be entrusted with late leads.

It is worth noting here that the trade wasn’t made with only 2011 in mind. Fister isn’t even eligible for arbitration until after next year, and he won’t be a free agent until after the 2015 season. Pauley, likewise, will make barely more than the minimum next season.

And that drove up the price for the Tigers. Still, the team was able to keep Andy Oliver out of the deal and give up Furbush instead. I think Oliver is the better of the two young lefties, and I’m surprised the Mariners didn’t insist on him.

So, it looks to me to be a decent trade for both sides. The Tigers didn’t get a real difference maker, but they also probably didn’t part with one. Detroit added some stability, and the Mariners won out on talent. Furbush could approximate Fister’s results next year, Wells will be a fine role player and Martinez has some chance of becoming a long-term major league third baseman.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Yeah the fact Fister is under team control for a few more years does add value to the trade on this side. Furbush can be a LOOGY or a long reliever IMO, he might be better suited for that than being a starter but we'll see. Fister has a good sinking fastball and pitches to groundballs, and has a very good change a decent curve FWIW.

When the Tigers get Kuroda or my man Fister, look out!

LOOK OUT! ool

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Real leery just because of the trade 2 years ago for a Seattle pitcher. He was having a career year like Pauley is now.

One thing I like about this is Fister averages 6.95 innings per game. That would be a welcome change to get an innings eater. Let's hope he reacts better to a change in scenery than what Washburn did. He could be a really nice #4 guy.

Tentatively optomistic.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

I really don't see much downside to this. While Martinez is a good looking prospect, we still have Castellanos. We didn't have to trade Turner or Oliver. Furbush and Wells are decent enough, but I don't see either being an impact player. We got a solid pitcher in Fister who eats up innings and has a good ERA & great WHIP. We were desperate for a solid starting pitcher and we got one without giving up a whole lot...not to mention getting a relief pitcher who is having a great year.

Fister doesn't have to be a stud. All he has to do is pitch like he has been and he will win a lot of games. This trade makes the Tigers much better.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Now the Tigers staff stacks up a little better against the White Sox.

 

[Apple Juice]

I really don't see much downside to this. While Martinez is a good looking prospect, we still have Castellanos. We didn't have to trade Turner or Oliver. Furbush and Wells are decent enough, but I don't see either being an impact player. We got a solid pitcher in Fister who eats up innings and has a good ERA & great WHIP. We were desperate for a solid starting pitcher and we got one without giving up a whole lot...not to mention getting a relief pitcher who is having a great year. Fister doesn't have to be a stud. All he has to do is pitch like he has been and he will win a lot of games. This trade makes the Tigers much better.

The need for a starter, bullpen arm and third baseman have all been adequately addressed to win the division without giving up anything major. Whether it works out or not, that's all you can ask. Good trade, and a huge benefit is the control we have over Fister and Pauley for a few years at a reasonable cost. Verlander, Scherzer, Porcello, Fister, Turner for the new few years looks pretty nice.

 

[jon_mx]

Turner is throwing a boatload of pitches in the first couple of innings. Probably will be lucky to get through 5 innings today. But so far has been effective. Things might be looking up for the starting rotation.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Turner needs to work on speeding up his delivery with men on base. But it is easy to see why he is a top prospect. He has big time stuff and his poise showed when he left runners stranded at 3rd in each of his first 3 innings.

 

[jon_mx]

Damn.....that double play sucked.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

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Tigers prospects Chance Ruffin or Drew Smyly could be included in six-player trade

DETROIT – It might be wise to wait until at least Aug. 20 before casting judgment on the Tigers’ six-player trade that sent left-hander Charlie Furbush, outfielder Casper Wells and third-base prospect Francsico Martinez to Seattle.

As part of the deal, the Mariners will also receive a player to be named later, who is expected to be identified on or before Aug. 20. And that player, according to Tigers general manager Dave Dombrowski, is “somebody we don’t want to lose.”

Speculation suggests the player in question is a prospect drafted in 2010 -- likely one of Detroit’s top three draft picks.

By rule, players cannot be traded until they have been under a professional contract for at least one year. The Tigers’ first-round draft pick Nick Castellanos, second-round pick Drew Smyly and second-round pick Chance Ruffin all signed on Aug. 16 and will soon become trade eligible.

"He'll be a good player," Dombrowski said of the soon-to-be named player. "He's not just going to be a guy that you would say, 'Oh, that's an organizational player.'"

It’s unlikely Castellanos, a highly touted third-base prospect, would be traded as the Tigers already included Martinez, the club’s fourth-best prospect, in the deal. Ruffin and Smyly appear to be the likeliest of trade candidates.

Ruffin, who pitched in two games for the Tigers this month, had 17 saves and 55 strikeouts in 43 innings for Double-A Erie and Triple-A Toledo this season. The left-handed Smyly, who had been promoted to start for Double-A Erie on Sunday, made an unscheduled start Saturday after right-hander Jacob Turner was called up Friday night.

 

[Comer]

I really don't see much downside to this. While Martinez is a good looking prospect, we still have Castellanos. We didn't have to trade Turner or Oliver. Furbush and Wells are decent enough, but I don't see either being an impact player. We got a solid pitcher in Fister who eats up innings and has a good ERA & great WHIP. We were desperate for a solid starting pitcher and we got one without giving up a whole lot...not to mention getting a relief pitcher who is having a great year. Fister doesn't have to be a stud. All he has to do is pitch like he has been and he will win a lot of games. This trade makes the Tigers much better.

If Fister turns into Doyal Alexander then it's a good trade. Dave overpaid otherwise especially if we have to give up Ruffin. I like what I saw from Ruffin.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Dave overpaid otherwise especially if we have to give up Ruffin. I like what I saw from Ruffin.

All three of those prospects are highly regarded, and Dave drafted them all last summer summer. Guess he had a good draft. Ruffin is a reliever who is almost certainly a future closer and Smyly is a LH starter that has a lot of upside. Again, this is the best farm system the Tigers have had since the late 70s. It lacks a lot of great position players, but the pitching depth is amazing.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

I really don't see much downside to this. While Martinez is a good looking prospect, we still have Castellanos. We didn't have to trade Turner or Oliver. Furbush and Wells are decent enough, but I don't see either being an impact player. We got a solid pitcher in Fister who eats up innings and has a good ERA & great WHIP. We were desperate for a solid starting pitcher and we got one without giving up a whole lot...not to mention getting a relief pitcher who is having a great year. Fister doesn't have to be a stud. All he has to do is pitch like he has been and he will win a lot of games. This trade makes the Tigers much better.

If Fister turns into Doyal Alexander then it's a good trade. Dave overpaid otherwise especially if we have to give up Ruffin. I like what I saw from Ruffin.

My post was before I saw that there was a 4th player in the deal. There is much more downside now, but I'm not sure Dombrowski had much choice because he did not want to trade Turner or Castellanos. The teams with the available starting pitchers have the power and there was no way to get a quality starting pitcher without overpaying. After seeing Turner, I'm extremely happy he was not moved. The kid has some serious stuff. He, like many 20-year-old pitchers, needs better command and it will come. He also needs to be quicker in his delivery with runners on base. But his stuff is impressive and his sinker looks heavy. They were beating a lot of pitches into the ground. I was also very impressed with his poise. Leaving a runner stranded at 3rd in the first 3 innings of your major league debut at 20 years old is very impressive.

 

[skillz]

I was at the game yesterday. Was a real pleasant surprise to know that I'd be seeing Turner instead of Below start. I saw Turner pitch last year in a brief stint with West Michigan and he just overpowered guys. Yesterday I was most impressed with his curve ball. He'd throw his fastball 92-94 and then would come back with a curve at 76-78. Guys were froze and buckled up quite a bit on his curve. I am really looking forward to him continue to develop and get into the rotation next year. He obviously needs to work on keeping runners on base as parts of the game looked like little league with players stealing bases on a regular basis.

I like the trade since Fister is a good pitcher, our bullpen is not real good (and that's putting it kindly) so Pauley will help. I really like how both are signed through 2015 so they aren't going to be a one year rental. Yes, DD overpaid but we still have Castellanos at third, we have a surplus of young pitchers even with the trade, and as previously discussed he didn't have a lot of leverage to get a good starting pitcher at the deadline - if he hadn't acquired a pitcher people would be complaining about that too. So he was really in a no-win situation to some extent - people either complaining about no trade, giving up too much to get a pitcher, or not acquiring a good enough pitcher (if he had decided to balk at the other teams' steep asking price). I really hope we don't give up Ruffin though and that it is someone else.

 

[Greco]

Maybe the player to be named will be a minor league 3bman. One can dream.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Maybe the player to be named will be a minor league 3bman. One can dream.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Trade deadline day and Weaver vs Verlander.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Good time for a Magglio HR right there.

 

[jon_mx]

Good time for a Magglio HR right there.

Verlander owes him a lobster dinner for that one.

 

[Raider Nation]

No-no thru 6.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

No-no thru 6.

Don't do this, thanks.

 

[Raider Nation]

7

 

[Raider Nation]

No-no thru 6.

Don't do this, thanks.

 

[jon_mx]

Baseball fans and players are easily the most superstitious.

 

[jon_mx]

Strike zone has been a bit inconsistent. Not giving much inside, but then just did.

BTW, Weaver is pitching a hell of a game only allowing three hits.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

My best buddy was supposed to be at this game today, five rows behind home plate.

Too bad they had their baby shower today and he couldn't go. uch:

Carlos!!!!!

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Weaver, no ####### class.

 

[Raider Nation]

Weaver = PUNK!

Runs in the family.

 

[jon_mx]

Strike zone has been a bit inconsistent. Not giving much inside, but then just did.BTW, Weaver is pitching a hell of a game only allowing three hits.

4 hits...