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Now I could see enthusiasm for a Prado deal and leading him off but fail to see why you like El Ratón so much. He'd be like signing another Santiago.
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Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
That's kind of a petty thing to say.They say the waiting is the hardest part.
Doctor Detroit
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They seem to about the same kind of pitcher except Ryan Perry sucks. Waiting for TobFunke and Zirra to check.
Eephus
Footballguy
Balester was a starter in the minors so may offer more flexibility to suck in a variety of roles. Perry was drafted as a reliever and has never started a game as a pro.They seem to about the same kind of pitcher except Ryan Perry sucks. Waiting for TobFunke and Zirra to check.
Doctor Detroit
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Yeah but Balester was a middling starter at best, his ratios as a reliever aren't too shabby. Perry really regressed lat year and he became completely undependable. He has good stuff, maybe a change in scenery will serve him well.Balester was a starter in the minors so may offer more flexibility to suck in a variety of roles. Perry was drafted as a reliever and has never started a game as a pro.They seem to about the same kind of pitcher except Ryan Perry sucks. Waiting for TobFunke and Zirra to check.
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Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Might also be a clue they are clearing space for a second baseman/lead off hitter and keeping Ramon as a sub @ 2nd & shortstop.
Gopher State
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RHP Octavio Dotel will have played for 13 teams when he pitches his first game for Detroit in 2012. That's the most in major league history. Dotel previously pitched for the New York Mets, Houston, Oakland, New York Yankees, Kansas City, Atlanta, Chicago White Sox, Pittsburgh, Los Angeles Dodgers, Colorado, Toronto and St. Louis.
Dotel is like the dirty girl in high school, he gets around
Dotel is like the dirty girl in high school, he gets around
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Perry was a weak link IMO, this guy looks like he can at least pitch. Better a dirty girl than one who won't even put out.RHP Octavio Dotel will have played for 13 teams when he pitches his first game for Detroit in 2012. That's the most in major league history. Dotel previously pitched for the New York Mets, Houston, Oakland, New York Yankees, Kansas City, Atlanta, Chicago White Sox, Pittsburgh, Los Angeles Dodgers, Colorado, Toronto and St. Louis.Dotel is like the dirty girl in high school, he gets around
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Footballguy
Stop teasing me. I'm still begging for a Delmon/Prado deal with Atlanta. Then get Cespedes. I'd be quite pleased by these moves.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Detroit Tigers home-grown players in MLB
Lineup
1. Omar Infante, SS
2. Matt Joyce, RF
3. Curtis Granderson, CF
4. Brennan Boesch, 1B
5. Alex Avila, C
6. Cody Ross, DH
7. Jack Hannahan, 3B
8. Cameron Maybin, LF
9. Ramon Santiago, 2B
Starting Rotation
1. Justin Verlander
2. Jair Jurrjens
3. Rick Porcello
4. Guillermo Moscoso
5. Charlie Furbush
Bullpen
Closer - Francisco Cordero
Set up - Fernando Rodney, Joel Zumaya, Jason Frasor, Burke Badenhop, Ryan Perry
Long - Andrew Miller
Lineup
1. Omar Infante, SS
2. Matt Joyce, RF
3. Curtis Granderson, CF
4. Brennan Boesch, 1B
5. Alex Avila, C
6. Cody Ross, DH
7. Jack Hannahan, 3B
8. Cameron Maybin, LF
9. Ramon Santiago, 2B
Starting Rotation
1. Justin Verlander
2. Jair Jurrjens
3. Rick Porcello
4. Guillermo Moscoso
5. Charlie Furbush
Bullpen
Closer - Francisco Cordero
Set up - Fernando Rodney, Joel Zumaya, Jason Frasor, Burke Badenhop, Ryan Perry
Long - Andrew Miller
Doctor Detroit
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Tigers interested in JRo.
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Footballguy
He's using them. I think he resigns with Philly....at least I hope so. I do not want him.In other news, Billy Beane must be drunk on his own movie. Asking for Turner, Castellanos, and Smyly for Gio Gonzalez. That is horrible. I guess he asked Miami for a Gio straight up trade for Mike Stanton as well.....that's even more horrible.
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I've been known to chase headley from time to time.
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Dude. WTF? That link slowed my computer down to a standstill and the site is frozen.
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It didn't work for me and I'm staying away since I'm at work.Just read that Detroit may have interest in Joe Saunders. Not the least bit exciting but at least it would be a lefty they could roll out every 5th day.
Also read earlier in the week that Dombrowski admitted Austin Jackson is not the best leadoff option and said he was still planning on doing something about that. It's got to be a trade now. Not many FA left. Still hoping for Prado.
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Bobcat10
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Interesting post. Sorta 'meh' no?
Doctor Detroit
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I think DY is with us all year regardless. Not sure Cespedes is a lock to go to New York, there is no reason the Tigers can't be competitive in the process if they are willing to spend the money. They've been quiet though in the offseason. If they don't land Cespedes and we don't get a real leadoff guy, I'm gonna be a bit disappointed.
Is it your understanding that if they land Cespedes they will use him as a leadoff. I think that is wishful thinking. I hope they can land Cespedes and someone to leadoff. That would be a lot to ask of a player his first year in MLB. I think he would do well to bat 6, 7 or 8 to start the season.'Doctor Detroit said:
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This was in Rotoworld last week...During an appearance on WBBL-FM in Detroit on Wednesday, Tigers general manager Dave Dombrowski acknowledged that Austin Jackson is not an ideal leadoff man at this point of his career.'Doctor Detroit said:
Jackson possesses excellent speed and athleticism, but he also has an ugly 351/103 K/BB ratio over his first two seasons in the big leagues. While Dombrowski would prefer an upgrade for the top of the lineup, he doesn't have many alternatives at the moment. "You say, 'Where does he play for you?' You know he's not going to play third base, because those guys aren't out there at third base," said Dombrowski. "So then he really has to fill in for somebody else. So then you say maybe we're better off just giving Austin the opportunity, but we keep talking to people. Ideally, Austin's not a leadoff hitter at this time of his career, although he could take the strides to do that this season." Jackson still projects as the Tigers' leadoff man right now, but Dombrowski made it clear that he is pursuing other options.
Doctor Detroit
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Completely agree with this and I hope we are arguing about whether he should be hitting leadoff or 7th.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
At least it would give them one more option.
Gopher State
Footballguy
—RHP Joel Zumaya seems destined to be an ex-Tiger. Zumaya, offered only a minor league deal by Detroit, threw in front of more than 50 scouts in Houston recently and was clocked in the mid-90s. He is coming off a complete year without pitching in a game following two surgeries to stabilize a bone fracture in the tip of his right elbow. None of the scouts were from Detroit.
If, BIG IF Zumaya is healthly he could be a steal for someone. Good guy wish Zumaya the best.
If, BIG IF Zumaya is healthly he could be a steal for someone. Good guy wish Zumaya the best.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Obviously still some chance for Joel to bounce back with his kind of stuff. But considering the Tigers must have more medical info on him than anybody, their low ball offer may be telling us something.
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Footballguy
I'm not sure who Marc Carig is but this struck me as weird. Unless they're not that interested.
Doctor Detroit
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He's not the only source on that info. Maybe the Yankees realize that Cespedes is going to need some time to adjust and spending that kind of money isn't in their best interest. Or they saw something they didn't like, which is certainly possible with a guy like this. We'll see how it shakes out but I'd like to get him with the idea that by July he is an every day player, or at least a real good platoon guy and then in '13, he's a rising star. I think asking him to lead off and be an everyday player in April is asking a lot though. If we get him, Tiger fans should expect very little early on.
No way that happens. Most fans will write him off by the all-star break if he does not produce right away.
skillz
Footballguy
He'll be hurt by the All Star break regardless of how he's throwing right now. I wish him nothing but the best but it's time to part ways with him.
Gopher State
Footballguy
RHP Justin Verlander's likeness will be on the cover of the Major League Baseball 2K12 video game. "Probably not supposed to release this info yet, but ... Got an early xmas present," Verlander wrote on Twitter, with a link to a picture of the cover. His name and number (35) are on the bottom of the box. Verlander is the first Tiger to grace the cover of the game.
I hope their's no MLB jink, nice honor for the big v
I hope their's no MLB jink, nice honor for the big v
Doctor Detroit
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Yeah I heard that a while ago, he has helped with game design for like three years I guess.
Matt Garza? Cubs want Jacob Turner, not a huge Garza fan myself but they seem to be more than willing to deal him.
Roy Oswalt is in play also, that one seems like a no-brainer. He wants a nice one year check to prove he's still worthy of a multi-year deal. Seriously, sign him now and forget about Garza.
Matt Garza? Cubs want Jacob Turner, not a huge Garza fan myself but they seem to be more than willing to deal him.
Roy Oswalt is in play also, that one seems like a no-brainer. He wants a nice one year check to prove he's still worthy of a multi-year deal. Seriously, sign him now and forget about Garza.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
ESPN analyst has Tigers eighth in early 2012 power rankings
By The Detroit News
Tigers first baseman Miguel Cabrera is one of the game's top players, and a big reasons the Tigers should be contenders for years to come. The 2011 Tigers won 95 games, the AL Central by 15 games, and a playoff series against the Yankees.
And they didn't lose a single major contributor to free-agency.
Still, it's not enough to place very high on early 2012 power rankings by ESPN's Buster Olney.
Olney has the Tigers eighth on his list, even behind the Yankees team (fourth) the Tigers eliminated from the postseason last fall.
"They are built around two superstars, Justin Verlander and Miguel Cabrera, who have a solid supporting cast — catcher Alex Avila, closer Jose Valverde, designated hitter Victor Martinez and Brennan Boesch," Olney writes about the Tigers. "It doesn't hurt, either, that the Tigers play in one of the weakest divisions in baseball."
The Tigers were the highest-ranked team in the AL Central. No team won its division by a wider margin than Detroit.
Olney's top 10: 1. Rays, 2. Phillies, 3. Rangers, 4. Yankees, 5. Diamondbacks, 6. Red Sox, 7. Cardinals, 8. Tigers, 9. Angels, 10. Giants.
By The Detroit News
Tigers first baseman Miguel Cabrera is one of the game's top players, and a big reasons the Tigers should be contenders for years to come. The 2011 Tigers won 95 games, the AL Central by 15 games, and a playoff series against the Yankees.
And they didn't lose a single major contributor to free-agency.
Still, it's not enough to place very high on early 2012 power rankings by ESPN's Buster Olney.
Olney has the Tigers eighth on his list, even behind the Yankees team (fourth) the Tigers eliminated from the postseason last fall.
"They are built around two superstars, Justin Verlander and Miguel Cabrera, who have a solid supporting cast — catcher Alex Avila, closer Jose Valverde, designated hitter Victor Martinez and Brennan Boesch," Olney writes about the Tigers. "It doesn't hurt, either, that the Tigers play in one of the weakest divisions in baseball."
The Tigers were the highest-ranked team in the AL Central. No team won its division by a wider margin than Detroit.
Olney's top 10: 1. Rays, 2. Phillies, 3. Rangers, 4. Yankees, 5. Diamondbacks, 6. Red Sox, 7. Cardinals, 8. Tigers, 9. Angels, 10. Giants.
Nothing wrong with 8th. Good enough to make the playoffs given their division. Certainly the Tigers have lots of areas that could use improvement. Middle relief is suspect. Defense and team speed could improve. A leadoff guy who doesn't lead the league in strikeouts would be nice. A fourth starter. But you have to really like the Tiger's nucleus, including a couple of elite HoF locks in their prime. It is good enough to bring a
Championship to Detroit over the next few years.
Championship to Detroit over the next few years.
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Footballguy
Garza for Turner? Why? Garza is wound a little too tight for my taste. It doesn't surprise me one bit that the Cubs are more than willing to deal him....especially for Turner. Chicago is blowing it up and starting from scratch. Oswalt is great for a heavily incentive laden contract. His back is shot but when healthy he's still a gamer.'Doctor Detroit said:
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Tigers inked Ut Eric Patterson today. Can you say pennant?
Captain Hook
Footballguy
how about peanut?
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Footballguy
Why have they not signed Lefty, Paul Maholm?
ETA: Because the Cubs just did! Nice timing there.
ETA: Because the Cubs just did! Nice timing there.
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I take it back. If Detroit likes Garza, I'm okay with that trade....as long as Castellanos is not involved. Garza for Turner straight up. Tigers are built to win now, Garza is a better pitcher than Turner now....it makes sense.
Gopher State
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1B Miguel Cabrera pled no contest Jan. 5 to a misdemeanor charge of driving under the influence in Florida a year ago. In return a second charge of resisting arrest was dropped and he will not serve any jail time, court prosecutor Gayle Braun said. "Miguel Cabrera is determined not to allow this to go on any further," attorney Michael Kessler said in a statement. "He wants this behind him before the start of spring training. For that reason, and for that reason only, Miguel Cabrera asked me to settle this case." Cabrera received one year of probation with no travel restrictions, but will be eligible for early termination after six months, if he petitions. He loses his driver's license for six months and must pay $1,436.23 in court costs and serve 50 hours of community service, which he has the option of buying off for $10 an hour. Cabrera also must attend DUI school and a victim-impact panel. He was arrested last Feb. 16 on his way to spring training.
wow, buying out your 50 hours of community service for 10.00 hour seems like a good deal
wow, buying out your 50 hours of community service for 10.00 hour seems like a good deal
Comer
Footballguy
I hope Castellanos is the next Longoria because they passed up on a much better and younger pitcher in Gio.
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Twins agree to terms with former Tigers reliever Zumaya
Joe Christensen under Twins pitching Updated: January 15, 2012 - 3:39 PM
Minneapolis Star and Tribune
The Twins have agreed to a deal with former Tigers reliever Joel Zumaya, pending a physical, a major league official confirmed today.
The agreement was first reported by MLB.com.
Zumaya, 27, is expected to take his physical sometime late this week, perhaps Thursday or Friday, and the Twins plan to be careful not to comment publicly until after everything checks out OK.
The physical will be key because Zumaya has had a history of arm issues. In 2010, he posted a 2.58 ERA in 31 appearances before breaking his right arm on a pitch at Target Field.
But the Twins had scouts on hand for his workout in Dallas recently when he was throwing 92-95 mph, easily, on every fastball.
One key note is that Zumaya has agreed to a non-guaranteed major league deal. This means he'll be given a spot on the 40-man roster, but the Twins would be able to cut him in spring training and not be on the hook for all of the guaranteed money if something doesn't look right.
The contract would pay Zumaya about $800,000, with up to about $900,000 in additional incentives, which are usually based on games pitched.
On the surface, this appears to be a nice low-risk, high-reward deal for the Twins. If Zumaya is throwing anywhere near as well as he was before the injury in 2010, the Twins are getting a steal.
Can't see how the Twins lose on this deal, if he can't pass the physical or look good in spring training the Twins can cut him
Joe Christensen under Twins pitching Updated: January 15, 2012 - 3:39 PM
Minneapolis Star and Tribune
The Twins have agreed to a deal with former Tigers reliever Joel Zumaya, pending a physical, a major league official confirmed today.
The agreement was first reported by MLB.com.
Zumaya, 27, is expected to take his physical sometime late this week, perhaps Thursday or Friday, and the Twins plan to be careful not to comment publicly until after everything checks out OK.
The physical will be key because Zumaya has had a history of arm issues. In 2010, he posted a 2.58 ERA in 31 appearances before breaking his right arm on a pitch at Target Field.
But the Twins had scouts on hand for his workout in Dallas recently when he was throwing 92-95 mph, easily, on every fastball.
One key note is that Zumaya has agreed to a non-guaranteed major league deal. This means he'll be given a spot on the 40-man roster, but the Twins would be able to cut him in spring training and not be on the hook for all of the guaranteed money if something doesn't look right.
The contract would pay Zumaya about $800,000, with up to about $900,000 in additional incentives, which are usually based on games pitched.
On the surface, this appears to be a nice low-risk, high-reward deal for the Twins. If Zumaya is throwing anywhere near as well as he was before the injury in 2010, the Twins are getting a steal.
Can't see how the Twins lose on this deal, if he can't pass the physical or look good in spring training the Twins can cut him
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skillz
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He'll look good in the Spring. Get his contract and then two months into the season have arm troubles before being put on the shelf for the rest of the season. At least the Twins will only be out 800k in those circumstances. I appreciate what he did for the Tigers in 2006 but that has been his story every year since.
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