***Officialish Detroit Tigers Thread*** (3 Viewers)

[whoknew]

I don't really care about Upton's character - but his big home/road splits make me quite nervous.

His career ballpark stats are pretty interesting. The sample sizes for the non-NL West parks are very small. Chase Field is his best NL ballpark and it's aided by a .361 BABIP, which is very high over nearly 1500 PAs. He's also hit better at Petco than at Coors, and has a sub-.700 OPS in both LA and SF.

And Chase Field is a very good hitters park. Link

#6 in 2012, #5 in 2011, #9 in 2010.

 

[jon_mx]

Sanchez is all but gone

He wants 6 years and 90 million+. Can't blame him and he could get it. Thanks for the memories Filthy.

I think Boston will be the team that writes that check. Lots of teams desperate for an ace.

 

[Da Guru]

Upton

By all accounts, Upton’s character is not the issue Sheffield’s was. Upton owns a publicly-recognized work ethic has not demanded a trade, and has not gotten himself dealt from another organization, as Sheffield had.

It’s possible, perhaps even likely, that Upton’s upside is greater than any prospect Arizona can receive in return. The necessary leverage just doesn’t exist — a team’s willingness to trade such a talented player simply raises too many questions.

There’s no denying Upton’s season to date as a disappointment. But is it disappointing to the extent that Arizona is willing to sell low on the face of their franchise? Given the vote of confidence from Upton’s manager, Kirk Gibson, and his excellent personal reputation, it’s difficult to fathom

Upton's perceived work ethic issues seem to be fan driven, he's a mega-talent and he's 25 years old. I don't see the Tigers getting him but Upton is that good, he's worth looking into.

I've heard his best buddy Chris Young stick up for him, and Gibby is sticking up for his guy, but management has slammed him and the trade rumors keep coming from somewhere. The quote about wanting to trade such an elite talent which would seem untradeable is telling. There is something not right about him.I read the long ESPN article on him. He's all over the place. Sounds selfish a lot, and still immature.

His brother is an assjockey.

ETA: I think J-Upside goes to Texas. The 2 teams fit really well for a trade as far as needs go.

Teams just do not trade "elite talent" that is signed for three more years. Something is wrong. I would rather have Hunter for 1-2 years, or Melky for one year than to give up top prospects for Upton.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Teams just do not trade "elite talent" that is signed for three more years. Something is wrong. I would rather have Hunter for 1-2 years, or Melky for one year than to give up top prospects for Upton.

I pretty much agree with this. Takes care of present needs without possibly dumping on the future.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

My link

Report: Detroit Tigers have contacted Torii Hunter, among ten teams interested in free-agent outfielder

DETROIT -- Tigers general manager Dave Dombrowski made it known at the annual state of the team address that he planned to address the team's corner outfield spots this offseason.

And, free-agent veteran outfielder Torii Hunter could be a big part of that plan.

The Tigers are reportedly among ten teams that have contacted Hunter since Nov. 3, according to FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal.

The Dodgers, White Sox, Rangers, Red Sox, Yankees and Mariners have also reached out to the 37-year-old Hunter, who is seeking the opportunity to play every day.

Hunter spent the past five years with the Los Angeles Angels, hitting .313 with 16 home runs and 92 RBIs this past season.

The annual general managers' meetings wrapped up Friday, and the Tigers are expected to have organizational meetings next week in Detroit in hopes of formulating a plan that could provide room for Hunter.

A career .277 hitter, Hunter is seemingly more attractive on the free-agent market after Los Angeles didn't extend him a qualifying offer. As a result, a club wouldn't need to give up a draft pick to acquire him this offseason.

That said, the Angels remain interested re-signing the 16-year veteran, according to the Los Angeles Times.

Angels general manager Jerry Dipoto told the Times in early October that they have “tremendous interest” in re-signing Hunter, but also said it would depend on whether they have pitching depth.

Hunter's asking price remains unclear, but the four-time All-Star is likely in line to receive a two-year deal worth $15 million to $20 million. He's spent the past two seasons occupying right field for the Angels, but can play both corners and center field.

Detroit's biggest competition for Hunter's services could be in the Dodgers, who have reportedly already extended the nine-time Gold Glove winner a two-year contract, according to ESPN Los Angeles.

This, despite right fielders Andre Ethier and Scott Van Slyke already on Los Angeles' roster. Dodgers general manager Ned Colletti has said he has no intention on trading Ethier, meaning Hunter would need to accept lesser role if he signed with the team.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Detroit's biggest competition for Hunter's services could be in the Dodgers, who have reportedly already extended the nine-time Gold Glove winner a two-year contract, according to ESPN Los Angeles.

This, despite right fielders Andre Ethier and Scott Van Slyke already on Los Angeles' roster. Dodgers general manager Ned Colletti has said he has no intention on trading Ethier, meaning Hunter would need to accept lesser role if he signed with the team.

Hunter could play every day here with Dirks/Garcia filling the other corner, sounds like Tigers at least got that going for them.

 

[Da Guru]

Detroit's biggest competition for Hunter's services could be in the Dodgers, who have reportedly already extended the nine-time Gold Glove winner a two-year contract, according to ESPN Los Angeles.

This, despite right fielders Andre Ethier and Scott Van Slyke already on Los Angeles' roster. Dodgers general manager Ned Colletti has said he has no intention on trading Ethier, meaning Hunter would need to accept lesser role if he signed with the team.

Hunter could play every day here with Dirks/Garcia filling the other corner, sounds like Tigers at least got that going for them.

Just heard on The ticket that Hunter is down to two teams that he wants to play for. The Tigers or the Rangers and he will make his decision sooner than later.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Upton

By all accounts, Upton’s character is not the issue Sheffield’s was. Upton owns a publicly-recognized work ethic has not demanded a trade, and has not gotten himself dealt from another organization, as Sheffield had.

It’s possible, perhaps even likely, that Upton’s upside is greater than any prospect Arizona can receive in return. The necessary leverage just doesn’t exist — a team’s willingness to trade such a talented player simply raises too many questions.

There’s no denying Upton’s season to date as a disappointment. But is it disappointing to the extent that Arizona is willing to sell low on the face of their franchise? Given the vote of confidence from Upton’s manager, Kirk Gibson, and his excellent personal reputation, it’s difficult to fathom

Upton's perceived work ethic issues seem to be fan driven, he's a mega-talent and he's 25 years old. I don't see the Tigers getting him but Upton is that good, he's worth looking into.

I've heard his best buddy Chris Young stick up for him, and Gibby is sticking up for his guy, but management has slammed him and the trade rumors keep coming from somewhere. The quote about wanting to trade such an elite talent which would seem untradeable is telling. There is something not right about him.I read the long ESPN article on him. He's all over the place. Sounds selfish a lot, and still immature.

His brother is an assjockey.

ETA: I think J-Upside goes to Texas. The 2 teams fit really well for a trade as far as needs go.

Teams just do not trade "elite talent" that is signed for three more years. Something is wrong. I would rather have Hunter for 1-2 years, or Melky for one year than to give up top prospects for Upton.

Cabrera had two years on his contract when Florida traded him, Max Scherzer hadn't even gone to arbitration years. Tigers traded Granderson with four years left on his deal, Melky Cabrera two when he went to Atlanta, Grienke three more years when he went to the Brewers. So teams do trade elite talent with contract years left and there are many more examples. People are grasping for straws with Upton, he's a young guy with tremendous talents who had a bad 2012. I'd rather have Melky though, Hunter really is due for a steep fall and anything more than one year is blah. He's better than the alternative (Boesch) though, so I'd be fine with it. Hoping they can talk him into playing some LF so Garcia can play RF when he's with the big club. I'm not a Pagan fan, also a guy that could hit a wall.

No Ichiro? Not even a sniff? Man that was the guy I really wanted, he hates me.

Nothing wrong with Upton.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

No Ichiro? Not even a sniff? Man that was the guy I really wanted, he hates me.

He just seems to be in love with the Yanks.

 

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Upton

By all accounts, Upton’s character is not the issue Sheffield’s was. Upton owns a publicly-recognized work ethic has not demanded a trade, and has not gotten himself dealt from another organization, as Sheffield had.

It’s possible, perhaps even likely, that Upton’s upside is greater than any prospect Arizona can receive in return. The necessary leverage just doesn’t exist — a team’s willingness to trade such a talented player simply raises too many questions.

There’s no denying Upton’s season to date as a disappointment. But is it disappointing to the extent that Arizona is willing to sell low on the face of their franchise? Given the vote of confidence from Upton’s manager, Kirk Gibson, and his excellent personal reputation, it’s difficult to fathom

Upton's perceived work ethic issues seem to be fan driven, he's a mega-talent and he's 25 years old. I don't see the Tigers getting him but Upton is that good, he's worth looking into.

I've heard his best buddy Chris Young stick up for him, and Gibby is sticking up for his guy, but management has slammed him and the trade rumors keep coming from somewhere. The quote about wanting to trade such an elite talent which would seem untradeable is telling. There is something not right about him.I read the long ESPN article on him. He's all over the place. Sounds selfish a lot, and still immature.

His brother is an assjockey.

ETA: I think J-Upside goes to Texas. The 2 teams fit really well for a trade as far as needs go.

Teams just do not trade "elite talent" that is signed for three more years. Something is wrong. I would rather have Hunter for 1-2 years, or Melky for one year than to give up top prospects for Upton.

Cabrera had two years on his contract when Florida traded him, Max Scherzer hadn't even gone to arbitration years. Tigers traded Granderson with four years left on his deal, Melky Cabrera two when he went to Atlanta, Grienke three more years when he went to the Brewers. So teams do trade elite talent with contract years left and there are many more examples. People are grasping for straws with Upton, he's a young guy with tremendous talents who had a bad 2012. I'd rather have Melky though, Hunter really is due for a steep fall and anything more than one year is blah. He's better than the alternative (Boesch) though, so I'd be fine with it. Hoping they can talk him into playing some LF so Garcia can play RF when he's with the big club. I'm not a Pagan fan, also a guy that could hit a wall.

No Ichiro? Not even a sniff? Man that was the guy I really wanted, he hates me.

Nothing wrong with Upton.

You're down on Hunter because he's "really due for a steep fall" but high on Ichiro who is 2 years older.....okay.

 

[Da Guru]

Upton

By all accounts, Upton’s character is not the issue Sheffield’s was. Upton owns a publicly-recognized work ethic has not demanded a trade, and has not gotten himself dealt from another organization, as Sheffield had.

It’s possible, perhaps even likely, that Upton’s upside is greater than any prospect Arizona can receive in return. The necessary leverage just doesn’t exist — a team’s willingness to trade such a talented player simply raises too many questions.

There’s no denying Upton’s season to date as a disappointment. But is it disappointing to the extent that Arizona is willing to sell low on the face of their franchise? Given the vote of confidence from Upton’s manager, Kirk Gibson, and his excellent personal reputation, it’s difficult to fathom

Upton's perceived work ethic issues seem to be fan driven, he's a mega-talent and he's 25 years old. I don't see the Tigers getting him but Upton is that good, he's worth looking into.

I've heard his best buddy Chris Young stick up for him, and Gibby is sticking up for his guy, but management has slammed him and the trade rumors keep coming from somewhere. The quote about wanting to trade such an elite talent which would seem untradeable is telling. There is something not right about him.I read the long ESPN article on him. He's all over the place. Sounds selfish a lot, and still immature.

His brother is an assjockey.

ETA: I think J-Upside goes to Texas. The 2 teams fit really well for a trade as far as needs go.

Teams just do not trade "elite talent" that is signed for three more years. Something is wrong. I would rather have Hunter for 1-2 years, or Melky for one year than to give up top prospects for Upton.

Cabrera had two years on his contract when Florida traded him, Max Scherzer hadn't even gone to arbitration years. Tigers traded Granderson with four years left on his deal, Melky Cabrera two when he went to Atlanta, Grienke three more years when he went to the Brewers. So teams do trade elite talent with contract years left and there are many more examples. People are grasping for straws with Upton, he's a young guy with tremendous talents who had a bad 2012. I'd rather have Melky though, Hunter really is due for a steep fall and anything more than one year is blah. He's better than the alternative (Boesch) though, so I'd be fine with it. Hoping they can talk him into playing some LF so Garcia can play RF when he's with the big club. I'm not a Pagan fan, also a guy that could hit a wall.

No Ichiro? Not even a sniff? Man that was the guy I really wanted, he hates me.

Nothing wrong with Upton.

You're down on Hunter because he's "really due for a steep fall" but high on Ichiro who is 2 years older.....okay.

Sushi keeps the legs strong.

 

[Da Guru]

Upton

By all accounts, Upton’s character is not the issue Sheffield’s was. Upton owns a publicly-recognized work ethic has not demanded a trade, and has not gotten himself dealt from another organization, as Sheffield had.

It’s possible, perhaps even likely, that Upton’s upside is greater than any prospect Arizona can receive in return. The necessary leverage just doesn’t exist — a team’s willingness to trade such a talented player simply raises too many questions.

There’s no denying Upton’s season to date as a disappointment. But is it disappointing to the extent that Arizona is willing to sell low on the face of their franchise? Given the vote of confidence from Upton’s manager, Kirk Gibson, and his excellent personal reputation, it’s difficult to fathom

Upton's perceived work ethic issues seem to be fan driven, he's a mega-talent and he's 25 years old. I don't see the Tigers getting him but Upton is that good, he's worth looking into.

I've heard his best buddy Chris Young stick up for him, and Gibby is sticking up for his guy, but management has slammed him and the trade rumors keep coming from somewhere. The quote about wanting to trade such an elite talent which would seem untradeable is telling. There is something not right about him.I read the long ESPN article on him. He's all over the place. Sounds selfish a lot, and still immature.

His brother is an assjockey.

ETA: I think J-Upside goes to Texas. The 2 teams fit really well for a trade as far as needs go.

Teams just do not trade "elite talent" that is signed for three more years. Something is wrong. I would rather have Hunter for 1-2 years, or Melky for one year than to give up top prospects for Upton.

Cabrera had two years on his contract when Florida traded him, Max Scherzer hadn't even gone to arbitration years. Tigers traded Granderson with four years left on his deal, Melky Cabrera two when he went to Atlanta, Grienke three more years when he went to the Brewers. So teams do trade elite talent with contract years left and there are many more examples. People are grasping for straws with Upton, he's a young guy with tremendous talents who had a bad 2012. I'd rather have Melky though, Hunter really is due for a steep fall and anything more than one year is blah. He's better than the alternative (Boesch) though, so I'd be fine with it. Hoping they can talk him into playing some LF so Garcia can play RF when he's with the big club. I'm not a Pagan fan, also a guy that could hit a wall.

No Ichiro? Not even a sniff? Man that was the guy I really wanted, he hates me.

Nothing wrong with Upton.

I just don`t want the Tigers to give up a boat load of their best young prosepcts. They can get a 1-2 year player for nothing but cash to fill in as a stop-gap.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Upton

By all accounts, Upton’s character is not the issue Sheffield’s was. Upton owns a publicly-recognized work ethic has not demanded a trade, and has not gotten himself dealt from another organization, as Sheffield had.

It’s possible, perhaps even likely, that Upton’s upside is greater than any prospect Arizona can receive in return. The necessary leverage just doesn’t exist — a team’s willingness to trade such a talented player simply raises too many questions.

There’s no denying Upton’s season to date as a disappointment. But is it disappointing to the extent that Arizona is willing to sell low on the face of their franchise? Given the vote of confidence from Upton’s manager, Kirk Gibson, and his excellent personal reputation, it’s difficult to fathom

Upton's perceived work ethic issues seem to be fan driven, he's a mega-talent and he's 25 years old. I don't see the Tigers getting him but Upton is that good, he's worth looking into.

I've heard his best buddy Chris Young stick up for him, and Gibby is sticking up for his guy, but management has slammed him and the trade rumors keep coming from somewhere. The quote about wanting to trade such an elite talent which would seem untradeable is telling. There is something not right about him.I read the long ESPN article on him. He's all over the place. Sounds selfish a lot, and still immature.

His brother is an assjockey.

ETA: I think J-Upside goes to Texas. The 2 teams fit really well for a trade as far as needs go.

Teams just do not trade "elite talent" that is signed for three more years. Something is wrong. I would rather have Hunter for 1-2 years, or Melky for one year than to give up top prospects for Upton.

Cabrera had two years on his contract when Florida traded him, Max Scherzer hadn't even gone to arbitration years. Tigers traded Granderson with four years left on his deal, Melky Cabrera two when he went to Atlanta, Grienke three more years when he went to the Brewers. So teams do trade elite talent with contract years left and there are many more examples. People are grasping for straws with Upton, he's a young guy with tremendous talents who had a bad 2012. I'd rather have Melky though, Hunter really is due for a steep fall and anything more than one year is blah. He's better than the alternative (Boesch) though, so I'd be fine with it. Hoping they can talk him into playing some LF so Garcia can play RF when he's with the big club. I'm not a Pagan fan, also a guy that could hit a wall.

No Ichiro? Not even a sniff? Man that was the guy I really wanted, he hates me.

Nothing wrong with Upton.

You're down on Hunter because he's "really due for a steep fall" but high on Ichiro who is 2 years older.....okay.

You serious Clark?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Signing Hunter might be a sign that your farm system is tapped

 

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Jon Paul Morosi of FOXSports.com reports that free agent outfielder Torii Hunter is meeting with Tigers officials in Detroit on Tuesday.The number of teams who have reportedly expressed interest in Hunter is into the double-digits, but the Tigers have emerged as the favorite in recent days. It's not clear if Tuesday's meeting means a signing is imminent, but Mark Saxon of ESPN Los Angeles reported Monday that the veteran outfielder is expected to make a decision within the next two weeks. He should be able to land a two-year contract.

Don't care if others wouldn't like the move, I think it's a great fit.

 

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Signing Hunter might be a sign that your farm system is tapped

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Signing Hunter might be a sign that your farm system is tapped

How hard is that to understand?

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Signing Hunter might be a sign that your farm system is tapped

How hard is that to understand?

It's not that I don't understand your point, it's that I just don't agree with it. I don't understand why Hunter is such a bad signing. I don't understand why Melky Cabrera or Ichiro would be much better signings. I don't understand why so bullish on J Upton. He's got a lot of talent....so do a lot of other ball players.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Signing Hunter might be a sign that your farm system is tapped

How hard is that to understand?

It's not that I don't understand your point, it's that I just don't agree with it. I don't understand why Hunter is such a bad signing. I don't understand why Melky Cabrera or Ichiro would be much better signings. I don't understand why so bullish on J Upton. He's got a lot of talent....so do a lot of other ball players.

Where did I say Hunter is a bad signing? Melky is better because he's much younger and fits the #2 hitter spot better while playing LF. Ichiro is better because Ichiro is like prostitution, he's recession-proof.And you haven't watched Upton enough, he's not like a lot of other ballplayers. That's ridiculous to say. Hunter would be great for the clubhouse but as Eephus and others have pointed out, he's a serious candidate for decline. At $10-$12 million a year for two years, that is a fairly big risk. Is he an upgrade? Sure. But he's gonna play 110 to 125 games and will not have a .380 BABIP again. If he's not drawing walks, he's a good fielding Delmon Young.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Signing Hunter might be a sign that your farm system is tapped

How hard is that to understand?

It's not that I don't understand your point, it's that I just don't agree with it. I don't understand why Hunter is such a bad signing. I don't understand why Melky Cabrera or Ichiro would be much better signings. I don't understand why so bullish on J Upton. He's got a lot of talent....so do a lot of other ball players.

Where did I say Hunter is a bad signing? Melky is better because he's much younger and fits the #2 hitter spot better while playing LF. Ichiro is better because Ichiro is like prostitution, he's recession-proof.And you haven't watched Upton enough, he's not like a lot of other ballplayers. That's ridiculous to say. Hunter would be great for the clubhouse but as Eephus and others have pointed out, he's a serious candidate for decline. At $10-$12 million a year for two years, that is a fairly big risk. Is he an upgrade? Sure. But he's gonna play 110 to 125 games and will not have a .380 BABIP again. If he's not drawing walks, he's a good fielding Delmon Young.

Who is Eephus? -Torii is due for regression because baseball nerds on this site say so, but Ichiro cannot regress because he's recession proof.-Melky's career has been enhanced and you just like him because he's younger. -I've watched Upton plenty, and his doofus brother even more. He's got plenty of talent but that doesn't mean he's a good fit in Detroit. I don't believe he's a winner and I don't believe he'd add to the clubhouse one bit. Why wouldn't Texas just give up one of their 2 stud SS's for Upton right away? Of course my opinions on J Upside will most likely be torn to shreds while opinions on young Melky, regression proof Ichiro, and the regression certain Hunter are all spot on.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Signing Hunter might be a sign that your farm system is tapped

How hard is that to understand?

It's not that I don't understand your point, it's that I just don't agree with it. I don't understand why Hunter is such a bad signing. I don't understand why Melky Cabrera or Ichiro would be much better signings. I don't understand why so bullish on J Upton. He's got a lot of talent....so do a lot of other ball players.

Where did I say Hunter is a bad signing? Melky is better because he's much younger and fits the #2 hitter spot better while playing LF. Ichiro is better because Ichiro is like prostitution, he's recession-proof.And you haven't watched Upton enough, he's not like a lot of other ballplayers. That's ridiculous to say. Hunter would be great for the clubhouse but as Eephus and others have pointed out, he's a serious candidate for decline. At $10-$12 million a year for two years, that is a fairly big risk. Is he an upgrade? Sure. But he's gonna play 110 to 125 games and will not have a .380 BABIP again. If he's not drawing walks, he's a good fielding Delmon Young.

Who is Eephus? -Torii is due for regression because baseball nerds on this site say so, but Ichiro cannot regress because he's recession proof.-Melky's career has been enhanced and you just like him because he's younger. -I've watched Upton plenty, and his doofus brother even more. He's got plenty of talent but that doesn't mean he's a good fit in Detroit. I don't believe he's a winner and I don't believe he'd add to the clubhouse one bit. Why wouldn't Texas just give up one of their 2 stud SS's for Upton right away? Of course my opinions on J Upside will most likely be torn to shreds while opinions on young Melky, regression proof Ichiro, and the regression certain Hunter are all spot on.

So you love Hunter then? Doesn't seem clear.lol at "winner" that kills me every time. Well we know Torii isn't a winner, never even on a team that won a playoff series.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

One thing is clear, Hunter is BTBB*.

Better Than Brennan Boesch

 

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Signing Hunter might be a sign that your farm system is tapped

How hard is that to understand?

It's not that I don't understand your point, it's that I just don't agree with it. I don't understand why Hunter is such a bad signing. I don't understand why Melky Cabrera or Ichiro would be much better signings. I don't understand why so bullish on J Upton. He's got a lot of talent....so do a lot of other ball players.

Where did I say Hunter is a bad signing? Melky is better because he's much younger and fits the #2 hitter spot better while playing LF. Ichiro is better because Ichiro is like prostitution, he's recession-proof.And you haven't watched Upton enough, he's not like a lot of other ballplayers. That's ridiculous to say. Hunter would be great for the clubhouse but as Eephus and others have pointed out, he's a serious candidate for decline. At $10-$12 million a year for two years, that is a fairly big risk. Is he an upgrade? Sure. But he's gonna play 110 to 125 games and will not have a .380 BABIP again. If he's not drawing walks, he's a good fielding Delmon Young.

Who is Eephus? -Torii is due for regression because baseball nerds on this site say so, but Ichiro cannot regress because he's recession proof.-Melky's career has been enhanced and you just like him because he's younger. -I've watched Upton plenty, and his doofus brother even more. He's got plenty of talent but that doesn't mean he's a good fit in Detroit. I don't believe he's a winner and I don't believe he'd add to the clubhouse one bit. Why wouldn't Texas just give up one of their 2 stud SS's for Upton right away? Of course my opinions on J Upside will most likely be torn to shreds while opinions on young Melky, regression proof Ichiro, and the regression certain Hunter are all spot on.

So you love Hunter then? Doesn't seem clear.lol at "winner" that kills me every time. Well we know Torii isn't a winner, never even on a team that won a playoff series.

I think Hunter fills a need, won't cost all that much and only a 2 year contract, and is a solid clubhouse guy that would really fit in well with the existing guys....as well as help younger guys along like Garcia and maybe Castellanos too. I think he offers a lot to the team beyond just stats.Why are you getting petty?...picking out words from my post like "winner" and spinning on it? I was not talking as if a winner meant you need to have a ring. A player can be a winner without a WS ring.Bringing Upton to this team which finally seems to have a good overall team chemistry feels like a bad idea to me. Justin was the man in Arizona and may not take to batting 6th in the order very well.

 

[whoknew]

Depending on the money, I think Hunter would be a nice signing for the Tigers. You can't underestimate outfield defense at Comerica.

The question is - would they move him to LF at Comerica? LF is huge there. Would be nice to have him and Jackson covering that area.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

ok so whats BABIP? should I care or is that a new sabremetric 'voodoo' stat like WAR.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Depending on the money, I think Hunter would be a nice signing for the Tigers. You can't underestimate outfield defense at Comerica.The question is - would they move him to LF at Comerica? LF is huge there. Would be nice to have him and Jackson covering that area.

I wonder if he'd play LF? You know how Leyland is, if they sign him to play RF he's in RF every day even at the expense of developing your future RF (Garcia). Avisail probably could use more at bats in the minors though, so they could theoretically have Dirks as the primary LFer because he does decent vs lefties (.274/354/397) and that is his natural OF position. Then have Boesch and Berry off the pine as both give you a reasonable amount of flexibility.Castellanos will not make the team out of Spring Training, he should probably start at AA. Garcia should but you can't have him up unless he's getting regular at bats. IMO if he proves he can be a starter now you play him every day in RF but I think that might be a conversation for June or July depending on his development. Heard that Tigers are considering Jeremie Guthrie, I wouldn't mind that move at all. I think pitching in Comerica half the time would really help him and he's a good option as a 4/5. Smyly seems ready but these young pitchers are a headache, Crosby and Oliver also should be fighting for a roster spot although both have had control issues. Crosby is a guy I always thought would be a sure thing, would be nice to see him step up this year and make the roster. Also we need Laird to come back. No one has even mentioned him but he had a very nice season and Avila really can't handle the full-time duties more than 110-115 games. And, and, and...sign Scherzer to an extension now. Do it.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

ok so whats BABIP? should I care or is that a new sabremetric 'voodoo' stat like WAR.

Not as voodoo as WAR. Batting Average on Ball (hit) in play. Basically anything about .330 is for elites hitters (Posey, Jeter, Cargo, Mauer) and those with breakout seasons (Trout, McCutchen, Fowler). Miggy's was .331 just one point about his average. Fielder's was .321 while AJAX's was .370. So in theory AJAX was a lot "luckier" by getting a lot more of those balls to drop in for hits than Miggy or Fielder. AJAX did the same thing in 2010 and then when he had a bad BABIP year, his average went to hell. Cabrera, Fielder, and Posey control their BABIPs to a large degree because they are elite hitters, others do not. Hunter's career BABIP is .307, his BABIP last year was .389. Some of that can be attributed to hitting the ball on a line more but anything above .330 is suspicious, and Hunter will likely go back to his normal avg/obp lines of .275/.330 and not .313/.365 he had last year.Make sense?

 

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Hunter's career BABIP is .307, his BABIP last year was .389. Some of that can be attributed to hitting the ball on a line more but anything above .330 is suspicious, and Hunter will likely go back to his normal avg/obp lines of .275/.330 and not .313/.365 he had last year.Make sense?

Hunter batted ahead of Albert Pujols last year. Couldn't that have something to do with it?He'd be batting in front of Miggy, Prince, and Victor in Detroit. He'd see some real nice pitches.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Also we need Laird to come back. No one has even mentioned him but he had a very nice season and Avila really can't handle the full-time duties more than 110-115 games.

They could really use him but I believe he'd like a full time gig if possible. Can't blame him for that.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Hunter's career BABIP is .307, his BABIP last year was .389. Some of that can be attributed to hitting the ball on a line more but anything above .330 is suspicious, and Hunter will likely go back to his normal avg/obp lines of .275/.330 and not .313/.365 he had last year.Make sense?

Hunter batted ahead of Albert Pujols last year. Couldn't that have something to do with it?He'd be batting in front of Miggy, Prince, and Victor in Detroit. He'd see some real nice pitches.

Yes hitting behind Trout and in front of Pujols will certainly help your numbers will all the fat pitches, but not to the tune of .389. That's really an outlier. Maybe split the difference, .340 BABIP with a .296/.350 which would certainly be nice.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Also we need Laird to come back. No one has even mentioned him but he had a very nice season and Avila really can't handle the full-time duties more than 110-115 games.

They could really use him but I believe he'd like a full time gig if possible. Can't blame him for that.

Dave D. hinting rookie Bryan Holaday might get the backup job.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Also we need Laird to come back. No one has even mentioned him but he had a very nice season and Avila really can't handle the full-time duties more than 110-115 games.

They could really use him but I believe he'd like a full time gig if possible. Can't blame him for that.

Dave D. hinting rookie Bryan Holaday might get the backup job.

sprinkle in Vmart for 20 starts too?

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

ok so whats BABIP? should I care or is that a new sabremetric 'voodoo' stat like WAR.

Not as voodoo as WAR. Batting Average on Ball (hit) in play. Basically anything about .330 is for elites hitters (Posey, Jeter, Cargo, Mauer) and those with breakout seasons (Trout, McCutchen, Fowler). Miggy's was .331 just one point about his average. Fielder's was .321 while AJAX's was .370. So in theory AJAX was a lot "luckier" by getting a lot more of those balls to drop in for hits than Miggy or Fielder. AJAX did the same thing in 2010 and then when he had a bad BABIP year, his average went to hell. Cabrera, Fielder, and Posey control their BABIPs to a large degree because they are elite hitters, others do not. Hunter's career BABIP is .307, his BABIP last year was .389. Some of that can be attributed to hitting the ball on a line more but anything above .330 is suspicious, and Hunter will likely go back to his normal avg/obp lines of .275/.330 and not .313/.365 he had last year.Make sense?

thanks

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Also we need Laird to come back. No one has even mentioned him but he had a very nice season and Avila really can't handle the full-time duties more than 110-115 games.

They could really use him but I believe he'd like a full time gig if possible. Can't blame him for that.

Dave D. hinting rookie Bryan Holaday might get the backup job.

sprinkle in Vmart for 20 starts too?

I seriously doubt it unfortunately. Holaday is pretty decent though.

 

[Da Guru]

Also we need Laird to come back. No one has even mentioned him but he had a very nice season and Avila really can't handle the full-time duties more than 110-115 games.

They could really use him but I believe he'd like a full time gig if possible. Can't blame him for that.

Dave D. hinting rookie Bryan Holaday might get the backup job.

Is it me or does AA get his bell rung way more than most catchers?? Seems like he takes a big hit to the melon every game I watch.

 

[Da Guru]

3 | Comments Torii Hunter told CBSSports.com's Scott Miller that he feels like he's being recruited. On Tuesday, the free-agent outfielder made an official visit.

Hunter was in Detroit to meet with Tigers officials, sources confirmed to CBSSports.com. The Tigers hadn't yet made an official contract offer as of Monday, but it's possible that could come as part of the visit.

"He wants to play there," said one source who has spoken with Hunter.

Hunter told Miller that he only wants a contract that is "fair," but it's expected that his side will look at Carlos Beltran's two-year, $26 million deal with the Cardinals as a fair comparison for an All-Star outfielder in his mid-30s.

The Tigers badly want to sign Hunter, who they see as a perfect fit in the outfield, in their lineup (where he would likely bat second, behind Austin Jackson and in front of Miguel Cabrera, Prince Fielder and Victor Martinez), and in the clubhouse, where he would be a great influence on Fielder, Jackson and others.

 

[MAC_32]

Heard that Tigers are considering Jeremie Guthrie, I wouldn't mind that move at all. I think pitching in Comerica half the time would really help him and he's a good option as a 4/5. Smyly seems ready but these young pitchers are a headache, Crosby and Oliver also should be fighting for a roster spot although both have had control issues. Crosby is a guy I always thought would be a sure thing, would be nice to see him step up this year and make the roster.

Well, that would be just a total waste of $.Everybody here knows I want Pagan, but if he's a no then Hunter is my next choice. I want nothing to do with Melky's regression and Upton's risk and cost to acquire scares the #### out of me. My biggest issue with Hunter is speed, he's lost it, and the Tigers do not have any. But, we may just not have options - so, give Torii a 2 year deal and please start drafting better.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Heard that Tigers are considering Jeremie Guthrie, I wouldn't mind that move at all. I think pitching in Comerica half the time would really help him and he's a good option as a 4/5. Smyly seems ready but these young pitchers are a headache, Crosby and Oliver also should be fighting for a roster spot although both have had control issues. Crosby is a guy I always thought would be a sure thing, would be nice to see him step up this year and make the roster.

Well, that would be just a total waste of $.Everybody here knows I want Pagan, but if he's a no then Hunter is my next choice. I want nothing to do with Melky's regression and Upton's risk and cost to acquire scares the #### out of me. My biggest issue with Hunter is speed, he's lost it, and the Tigers do not have any. But, we may just not have options - so, give Torii a 2 year deal and please start drafting better.

You don't think if they lose Sanchez they need another vet starter? I'm kind of torn mostly due to Brosby's injury history, Oliver's ineffectiveness and Smyly's youth. Below, Wilk and Putkonen aren't really viable IMO.

 

[MAC_32]

Heard that Tigers are considering Jeremie Guthrie, I wouldn't mind that move at all. I think pitching in Comerica half the time would really help him and he's a good option as a 4/5. Smyly seems ready but these young pitchers are a headache, Crosby and Oliver also should be fighting for a roster spot although both have had control issues. Crosby is a guy I always thought would be a sure thing, would be nice to see him step up this year and make the roster.

Well, that would be just a total waste of $.Everybody here knows I want Pagan, but if he's a no then Hunter is my next choice. I want nothing to do with Melky's regression and Upton's risk and cost to acquire scares the #### out of me. My biggest issue with Hunter is speed, he's lost it, and the Tigers do not have any. But, we may just not have options - so, give Torii a 2 year deal and please start drafting better.

You don't think if they lose Sanchez they need another vet starter? I'm kind of torn mostly due to Brosby's injury history, Oliver's ineffectiveness and Smyly's youth. Below, Wilk and Putkonen aren't really viable IMO.

Didn't say that, I said Guthrie is a waste of $. Spend $ on talent, not replacement level warm bodies.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

"He wants to play there," said one source who has spoken with Hunter.

Reading this yesterday all but sealed the deal for me. I know Hunter is old, I know he may be due for regression, I know he's lost a step, I know all that. But he's a solid vet, a solid guy, and still can make things happen on the field.I'm a firm believer in things other than just statistics. I would rather have a potential employee who is excited about coming to my company than I would a guy who may be a better candidate but would have no loyalty at all. The one who wants to be there is willing to go above and beyond and help wherever they can. The other will just do what their paid to do. Torii could help this club beyond just stats. All those young OF's could learn a lot from him...including Austin Jackson. Read some on what Trout has to say about Torii this year. The kid just gushes about him.Also, I think Guthrie would be a good addition if Sanchez is out. He can eat innings. A solid #4/5 type.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

lowe/freep snippet:

"It appears Garcia might become the eventual long-term rightfielder and Nick Castellanos the long-term leftfielder. (Castellanos is playing leftfield in the Arizona Fall League.) But in the Tigers' "win now" atmosphere, Hunter, 37, could be a more sure thing in rightfield for next season than anything the Tigers have in-house.

Hunter, a nine-time Gold Glover, hit .313 with 16 home runs and 92 RBIs this past season with the Angels."

 

[Da Guru]

lowe/freep snippet:"It appears Garcia might become the eventual long-term rightfielder and Nick Castellanos the long-term leftfielder. (Castellanos is playing leftfield in the Arizona Fall League.) But in the Tigers' "win now" atmosphere, Hunter, 37, could be a more sure thing in rightfield for next season than anything the Tigers have in-house.Hunter, a nine-time Gold Glover, hit .313 with 16 home runs and 92 RBIs this past season with the Angels."

Not sure if I want Tori Hunter or Quint Berry.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

lowe/freep snippet:"It appears Garcia might become the eventual long-term rightfielder and Nick Castellanos the long-term leftfielder. (Castellanos is playing leftfield in the Arizona Fall League.) But in the Tigers' "win now" atmosphere, Hunter, 37, could be a more sure thing in rightfield for next season than anything the Tigers have in-house.Hunter, a nine-time Gold Glover, hit .313 with 16 home runs and 92 RBIs this past season with the Angels."

Not sure if I want Tori Hunter or Quint Berry.

If Garcia starts the year in the minors for at bats you might get both with Berry & Boesch as your bench.

 

[Da Guru]

lowe/freep snippet:"It appears Garcia might become the eventual long-term rightfielder and Nick Castellanos the long-term leftfielder. (Castellanos is playing leftfield in the Arizona Fall League.) But in the Tigers' "win now" atmosphere, Hunter, 37, could be a more sure thing in rightfield for next season than anything the Tigers have in-house.Hunter, a nine-time Gold Glover, hit .313 with 16 home runs and 92 RBIs this past season with the Angels."

Not sure if I want Tori Hunter or Quint Berry.

If Garcia starts the year in the minors for at bats you might get both with Berry & Boesch as your bench.

Berry belongs in AA ball in Saginaw.

 

[MAC_32]

Also, I think Guthrie would be a good addition if Sanchez is out. He can eat innings. A solid #4/5 type.

Paying $ for a guy that at his best is a back end guy just doesn't make any sense, hope your prospects develop into a Lance Lynn/Samardzija/Doubront type, throw cheap darts at veterans like Capuano, Maholm, or Millwood and hope for the best, or if you're going to pay $ pay it for an Edwin Jackson type for a one year fix. Not a guy like Guthrie, a guy that will cost some $ and won't help win any games.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Also, I think Guthrie would be a good addition if Sanchez is out. He can eat innings. A solid #4/5 type.

Paying $ for a guy that at his best is a back end guy just doesn't make any sense, hope your prospects develop into a Lance Lynn/Samardzija/Doubront type, throw cheap darts at veterans like Capuano, Maholm, or Millwood and hope for the best, or if you're going to pay $ pay it for an Edwin Jackson type for a one year fix. Not a guy like Guthrie, a guy that will cost some $ and won't help win any games.

Why would Guthrie cost more than any of the names you mentioned?

 

[whoknew]

Torii to Tigers on a 2 year deal.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Torii to Tigers on a 2 year deal.

2/25? Pending physical, Rosenthal reporting. COF, CHECK

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Torii to Tigers on a 2 year deal.

2/25? Pending physical, Rosenthal reporting. COF, CHECK

Is 2/$25 a guess? I was hoping for about $5 million less.I hope Torii has plenty left in the tank.ETA: Yikes, just read 2 years $26. Maybe they felt the need to give him the cash since so many other teams were looking at him?

 

[Da Guru]

Free agent outfielder Torii Hunter has signed a two-year contract with the Detroit Tigers, confirm CBSSports.com's Jon Heyman and Scott Miller. The deal is pending a physical. Heyman also reports the deal is for $26 million.

Hunter, 37, hit .313/.365/.451 with 16 homers, 92 RBI, 81 runs and nine stolen bases last season for the Angels. The 132 OPS-plus (which is on-base percentage plus slugging percentage adjusted for ballpark against the league average) was the highest of his entire career.

Hunter is a four-time All-Star and nine-time Gold Glove winner. His range on defense has obviously dimished with age, but he plays a solid right field and still sports a strong arm, as he posted 14 outfield assists in 2012.

With the Tigers, Hunter represents a big upgrade in right field.

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