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Yeah, Porcello is good for once through the order, so long relief could work well. Then again, as he gets older, his endurance (and skill) could develop further.
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
I would love a playoff series with Toronto this year. they are loading up
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
My favorite outcomes would be Tigers/Toronto followed by Tigers/Washington.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
I like what they got.....I have no faith in Hamilton whatsoever. None.
Doctor Detroit
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You can't really look at contracts in a vacuum of total money allotted. Tigers made only a two year commitment to Hunter, so there is less inherent risk. We'll see on Sanchez, probably got what the market was paying but it seems like too much for him. But if he takes his game to the next level and is a consistent #2 pitcher over three of the five years, he probably will be worth it. Problem is if he's worth 5/80, Scherzer is worth 5/110 and Verlander is worth 5/150. Sure would be nice to lock one of those dudes up in the next 10 months or so.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Makes you wonder if they locked up Sanchez for 5 thinking they may lose one of them.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Makes me wonder if they think Max is going to be a rollercoaster ride his entire career. Mechanics Max can either thrill you or make you puke on your shoes.I do not follow Dr. D on the warpath to resign Max. I like him a lot but maybe there are things the organization knows.If they don't sign JV, they are complete idiots. I'm pretty sure resigning JV is in Mr. Ilitch's Will.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
All I can say is that it is good to have these kind of problems.
Doctor Detroit
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Well they know they have him for two more years in arbitration. Not sure what you are trying to say here, they know he has two different colored eyes? They know he's the best celebrator in league history? They know he's a Scott Boras client and will likely go all the way to free agency? I think the next two years are going to suck because both Verlander and Scherzer will hit free agency in 2015 without extensions as Boras clients. Locking up Verlander now to a six year deal or so at Grienke money doesn't seem like a bad idea, but it's about ego.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Bogart
Footballguy
Good luck with that.
Doctor Detroit
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Eephus
Footballguy
The Orioles signed Daniel Schlereth today FWIW
hutchins929
Footballguy
I think I'm going to have nightmares tonight over this.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
First we lose Adam Wilk and now Daniel Schlereth. Talk about nightmares.
Doctor Detroit
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Wilk already learning Gangnam Style by heart.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
That's a real crackerjack staff they've got there at Rotoworld.Seriously though, are guys like Morosi still rushing to make news and hope to be the first to crack a story? They give the feel as if Detroit is in some crazy rush to move Porcello or Smyly now because they have Sanchez. Honestly I kind of like the idea of having a little depth at SP the more I think about it. They shouldn't give Porcello away just because they signed Sanchez.
Doctor Detroit
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They aren't gonna give him away, they'll get back a decent haul for Porcello IMO. Mariners and Orioles now in the mix, those teams have decent prospects to deal.
I say keep him though.
I say keep him though.
MAC_32
Footballguy
I'm no Peralta fan and think while we may have missed our sell high point for Porcello he's still a better sell than hold, but man you gotta say this is just an idea on your part. Mini panic attack here. 2011 was Hardy's career year, otherwise he's been often hurt and when he's not he's not on base either.I'm all for going defensive at short stop and moving on from Jay Honey, but do not trade Porcello for a guy that may or may not be worse than Peralta. Trade Porcello for something useful.'jon_mx said:
teamramrod
Footballguy
Interesting sideline....
Does anyone think the I's kids are upset he is spending all their inheritance on this?
I think not for reasons I can not disclose. But as we all saw after the ACLS, he does not have many shots left at a ring.
I would anticipate one fairly large impact deal before catchers and pitchers report and then the usual trade deadline deal.
All I can do is pick up three Hot and Readys on my way home each Friday for the family and hope for the best.
Peace
Does anyone think the I's kids are upset he is spending all their inheritance on this?
I think not for reasons I can not disclose. But as we all saw after the ACLS, he does not have many shots left at a ring.
I would anticipate one fairly large impact deal before catchers and pitchers report and then the usual trade deadline deal.
All I can do is pick up three Hot and Readys on my way home each Friday for the family and hope for the best.
Peace
Doctor Detroit
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It's Christmas. If the Tigers win the World Series in 2013 or 2014 I won't ask for anything for a couple of decades, just like I promised and did when Michigan won a football National Championship. A World Championship is the gift that keeps on giving for decades. Just one, I won't be greedy. You can break up the team and I can watch the 2013 Marlins for five years and not complain.
BBJ, Sports Gods, Westside Mike...regardless of who I need to pray to I'll do it. I am doing it, give me one. Give us all one to remember. Give one to Mr I and the homeless dude/s in front of Comerica who predict the outcome of the game for two or more dollars. Do it for the Eastside Alligator, for Greco, for all those fat chicks who show their boobs to Brandon Inge. Thanks, thanks a bunch. Thanks.
BBJ, Sports Gods, Westside Mike...regardless of who I need to pray to I'll do it. I am doing it, give me one. Give us all one to remember. Give one to Mr I and the homeless dude/s in front of Comerica who predict the outcome of the game for two or more dollars. Do it for the Eastside Alligator, for Greco, for all those fat chicks who show their boobs to Brandon Inge. Thanks, thanks a bunch. Thanks.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Wow. I see no upside in bringing in JJ Hardy over Peralta/Porcello. I would not want Hardy straight up for Porcello....just not a believer.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
I think every kid will at least get one Little Ceasars store when all is said and done.
How can you not be optimistic for next year? My top reasons:
1. VMart back
2. Tori Hunter
3. Sanchez for the whole year
4. Fister should be healthy
5. Addition by subtraction: Velverde, Young, Raburn.
6. Garcia and Smyly are blossoming
7. Bruce Rondon can throw 103 mph
Even if Rondon proves not to be ready for prime time, we can always pick up a closer at the all-star break. (Or maybe sign Brian Wilson now.) Yeah, infield defense is still trouble-some, but the outfield will be solid. Questions about how good the bullpen will be remain, but the starting rotation is as good as anyones. The bats will go deeper with a big upgrade at the two and five spots. Hunter and VMart will provide great team leadership which was lacking last year. Oddly it was a fairly quiet guy Dotel who finally opened his mouth and lit a bit of a fire under the team late in the season.
1. VMart back
2. Tori Hunter
3. Sanchez for the whole year
4. Fister should be healthy
5. Addition by subtraction: Velverde, Young, Raburn.
6. Garcia and Smyly are blossoming
7. Bruce Rondon can throw 103 mph
Even if Rondon proves not to be ready for prime time, we can always pick up a closer at the all-star break. (Or maybe sign Brian Wilson now.) Yeah, infield defense is still trouble-some, but the outfield will be solid. Questions about how good the bullpen will be remain, but the starting rotation is as good as anyones. The bats will go deeper with a big upgrade at the two and five spots. Hunter and VMart will provide great team leadership which was lacking last year. Oddly it was a fairly quiet guy Dotel who finally opened his mouth and lit a bit of a fire under the team late in the season.
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Bogart
Footballguy
There's that leadership. Wish JV or Miggy would come out of the closet now.
Doctor Detroit
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It's not a baseball story, who cares?
Wooderson
Fight The Power
This team is stacked.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
It was on ESPN RADIO..seems like they do.
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Doctor Detroit
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Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
I have 20 games this coming season so I really don`t give a #### if Hunter is a homophobe as long as he produces. And Screw that anyway.. I am going to the Ivanhoe this week for lunch on your rec. Never been there before and going with 2 of my Detroit buddies who will not be afraid of the area.
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Doctor Detroit
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Hitting lineup not in the top 10.....
Doctor Detroit
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Pretty sure they'll have to prove they can hit after what we saw last year. 
MAC_32
Footballguy
Truth. Hope veteran leadership in hunter and martinez get our heads out of our asses before mid SeptemberPretty sure they'll have to prove they can hit after what we saw last year.
That is a good point, considering that was the most pathetic hitting performance in a world series I have ever seen, and there were stretches in the season that were almost as bad. But on paper though, I still love the look of this years lineup to perform much better and become one of the more feared lineups in baseball. As a side note, compared to how the Lions run their organization, the Tigers are polar opposites. I am disgusted that Swartz still has a job. IMO, he was the worst coach in the NFL, especially when you look at how he handles his players. There seems to be no respect and that translates into no discipline and very little team unity.Pretty sure they'll have to prove they can hit after what we saw last year.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Though I am glad hockey is back, something to watch until the owner's other team goes to spring training.
scrumptrulescent
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Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Trammell HOF snub? What do you think?
Trammells WAR — you know, that stat derided only a few months ago — of 67.1 (at Baseball-Reference.com) is 11th best of all time for a shortstop and tied with 2012 Hall of Fame inductee Barry Larkin.
Trammell seems unlikely to ever be elected by the BBWAA. For Trammell and his long-time double-play partner, Lou Whitaker, the best hope seems to be getting in via the veteran's committee.
Trammell always was a great player. Yet he was often an overshadowed one. Larkin as well as Ozzie Smith received history's acknowledgment from that era.
Yet the statistical case can easily be made that Trammell belongs alongside the pair.
Trammell's OPS+ — basically a batting equivalent of ERA+ — of 110 leads Ozzie Smith's 87.
Trammell leads him in most offensive categories — both traditional and sabermetric.
He trails Smith in stolen bases and defense, but his defensive WAR, as noted by CBSSports.com's Dayn Perry, still ranks among the best 10 of all time at the position to go along with four Gold Glove awards.
Larkin and Trammell trade blows in offensive categories — and Larkin's OPS+ of 116 is just slightly better — but Trammell leads him in defensive ability.
In short, if you're looking at statistics, there's little to justify why Trammell gets a little more than a third of the vote from baseball writers while Larkin rocketed to 86.4 percent on just his third ballot.
The 1984 Tigers World Series team has had no players elected to the Hall of Fame.
That may change this week if Morris is elected.
But truly if anyone deserves to be in the Hall of Fame, it's Trammell.
Trammells WAR — you know, that stat derided only a few months ago — of 67.1 (at Baseball-Reference.com) is 11th best of all time for a shortstop and tied with 2012 Hall of Fame inductee Barry Larkin.
Trammell seems unlikely to ever be elected by the BBWAA. For Trammell and his long-time double-play partner, Lou Whitaker, the best hope seems to be getting in via the veteran's committee.
Trammell always was a great player. Yet he was often an overshadowed one. Larkin as well as Ozzie Smith received history's acknowledgment from that era.
Yet the statistical case can easily be made that Trammell belongs alongside the pair.
Trammell's OPS+ — basically a batting equivalent of ERA+ — of 110 leads Ozzie Smith's 87.
Trammell leads him in most offensive categories — both traditional and sabermetric.
He trails Smith in stolen bases and defense, but his defensive WAR, as noted by CBSSports.com's Dayn Perry, still ranks among the best 10 of all time at the position to go along with four Gold Glove awards.
Larkin and Trammell trade blows in offensive categories — and Larkin's OPS+ of 116 is just slightly better — but Trammell leads him in defensive ability.
In short, if you're looking at statistics, there's little to justify why Trammell gets a little more than a third of the vote from baseball writers while Larkin rocketed to 86.4 percent on just his third ballot.
The 1984 Tigers World Series team has had no players elected to the Hall of Fame.
That may change this week if Morris is elected.
But truly if anyone deserves to be in the Hall of Fame, it's Trammell.
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Eephus
Footballguy
Trammell is hurt by playing in an era of great shortstops. There were years where he was the third best SS in the AL East. The offensive explosion that immediately followed his career may have also hurt him during his crucial first few years on the ballot. I have little doubt he'll eventually get in via some Veterans Committee but the timing of Trammell's prime and first appearance on the HoF ballot could hardly have been worse.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
he is hurt by no hype. maybe if he could flip like ozzie smith he would of gotten in.
teamramrod
Footballguy
Definitely Obama's fault.But anyways, Mr I is burning his money to get a ring before he moves on. I don't blame him. I would do the same.
But if you are rich enough to winter in FL and spend your free time at spring ball, quit yer whining about 5 bucks to watch an extra hour of grown men in pajamas doing what we would all love to do.
If I had to spend 10 bucks to get me and my old man within spitting distance of his beloved LA Bums in dodger blue, it would be the best money I will have ever spent.
I started this post with a political jab and will end with one.
Epheus, this is not directed at you, don't want you to think so since I quoted you, that is just a coincidence.
So what I get from disgruntled fan from St Clair Shores is that he feels he is ENTITLED to something FREE?
Go talk to Obama since I will bet dollars to donuts you voted for Rommney.
Does that mean you are part of the 47%?
Peace
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Seems like the Tigers still working on getting Hardy, now with the Cubs involved in a three way. The bad part is the Peralta we saw in the playoffs is a better player than Hardy, especially on offense. I am convinced Peralta's lack of range is mostly due to hustle and being ready. He plays somewhat flat-footed and does not give it his all during the season.
Doctor Detroit
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Hardy is a superior defensive shortstop, maybe the best in baseball. They wouldn't be getting him for his walk rate.
He is better on D, but does that make up for the loss on offense? I would say during the season, yes. During the playoffs, I would rather have Peralta's offense. It is a deal that does more for the other clubs involved. What Detroit needs most right now is to teach Infante how to turn two.
Doctor Detroit
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.264/.327/.422/.750 5200 PAs 145 HRs.259/.314/.427/.740 3900 PAs 133 HRsThose are their career numbers. Which one is which?
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