Officiating anomalies: PATS/COLTS (1 Viewer)

[protoslacker]

I'm totally against conspiracy theories in general; but am I the only one to think the officiating in that game was highly peculiar? I think that if you forget the teams and the hype- and just look at the game like it was SF V. ATL and saw officiating like that you'd wonder what the heck that was about. I'm suprised I haven't seen any discussions about this. There were some phantom game-altering bad calls in this game. Especially if you bet on the game. Maybe I'm just getting paranoid...

 

[BroadwayG]

Any examples?

 

[TheFanatic]

I'm totally against conspiracy theories in general; but am I the only one to think the officiating in that game was highly peculiar? I think that if you forget the teams and the hype- and just look at the game like it was SF V. ATL and saw officiating like that you'd wonder what the heck that was about. I'm suprised I haven't seen any discussions about this. There were some phantom game-altering bad calls in this game. Especially if you bet on the game. Maybe I'm just getting paranoid...

Specifics please?

 

[mad sweeney]

I'm totally against conspiracy theories in general; but am I the only one to think the officiating in that game was highly peculiar? I think that if you forget the teams and the hype- and just look at the game like it was SF V. ATL and saw officiating like that you'd wonder what the heck that was about. I'm suprised I haven't seen any discussions about this. There were some phantom game-altering bad calls in this game. Especially if you bet on the game. Maybe I'm just getting paranoid...

Maybe you should have read any of the many Pats/Colts threads on Sunday and Monday where the officiating was discussed for pages and pages and pages and pages. But other than those pages and pages and pages and pages of discussion, you're right it's been ignored.

 

[IM666]

Maybe I'm just getting paranoid...

[Green Day]Or am I just stoned?[/Green Day]

 

[protoslacker]

Any examples?

If you're serious: Pass interference- see Faulk no call, see Moss call amongst others.

Maybe you should have read any of the many Pats/Colts threads on Sunday and Monday where the officiating was discussed for pages and pages and pages and pages. But other than those pages and pages and pages and pages of discussion, you're right it's been ignored.

No. I saw that alleged discussion.Does anybody know if some plays were deleted from the NFL network replay?

 

[PahtyTom]

Shouldn't have bet the Pats.

 

[aggie_dave]

I thought the first long pass interference was a good call, but the second long one was clearly a ghost call. I honestly can't remember WR and DB involved, but there was not even any contact. Beyond that I thought it was a well reffed game, and I'm a Colts fan!

 

[switz]

Any examples?

If you're serious: Pass interference- see Faulk no call, see Moss call amongst others.

Maybe you should have read any of the many Pats/Colts threads on Sunday and Monday where the officiating was discussed for pages and pages and pages and pages. But other than those pages and pages and pages and pages of discussion, you're right it's been ignored.

No. I saw that alleged discussion.Does anybody know if some plays were deleted from the NFL network replay?

Well, the first pass interference call was the exact same type of defense called against Bethea at the end of the game, so I don't think it was lopsided, I think the officials were just calling PI a little tighter than most.Honestly, the second call I thought was good UNTIL the replay. But at full speed I thought it was interference. The refs have a better vantage point than I, but at first glance I would have flagged it as well.I saw quite a few non-calls on the Pats, and I thought the "push out" at the end was a joke, as Stallworth IMO was clearly going to land with his foot out of bounds. But I'm not starting threads saying the officials gave NE the game at the end.I thought it was a fairly called game, and that the Pats got called on some penalties they typically commit but get away with.For whatever that's worth.

 

[Sheriff66]

The Moss PI call was a makeup for the first 5-6 I seen him skate by with this season...

 

[parrot]

I saw quite a few non-calls on the Pats, and I thought the "push out" at the end was a joke, as Stallworth IMO was clearly going to land with his foot out of bounds. But I'm not starting threads saying the officials gave NE the game at the end.

Please point out if anything in this image suggests his inside foot was going to land out of bounds.

 

[Paddy O'Seanessy]

Any examples?

was it Harrison who got tackled by Wayne and called for pass interference all in one play?

 

[Sheriff66]

I saw quite a few non-calls on the Pats, and I thought the "push out" at the end was a joke, as Stallworth IMO was clearly going to land with his foot out of bounds. But I'm not starting threads saying the officials gave NE the game at the end.

Please point out if anything in this image suggests his inside foot was going to land out of bounds.

Force out was the correct call on that play....

 

[Upchuck]

My big complaint is that the 'replays' either didn't start soon enough to see the infractions or they cut off too soon. The networks choose what to show you and while I'll stop short of saying they purposely 'manipulate' your opinions, there WERE some replays where I said "WTF, that wasn't even what the refs were looking at when they threw the flag!" It's easy for the commentators to say "I just don't see that call" when the network is showing you just a short clip of the replay.

 

[parrot]

In the interest of fairness, here's the first interfence call. Samuel has ahold of the back of the shirt.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Samuel was Guilty but the Hobbs call was ticky tack as he had position.

Having said that, who cares? Teams need to overcome penalties; it's part of football.

 

[Phlash]

Samuel was Guilty but the Hobbs call was ticky tack as he had position.Having said that, who cares? Teams need to overcome penalties; it's part of football.

When your team sets a franchise record for penalties in a game... you probably shouldn't win that game.That Ellis Hobbs play was insanely stupid. He had position and was going to try to make an interception, and then Reggie Wayne tore him down. And Hobbs got called.

 

[paydrt]

I'm totally against conspiracy theories in general

I was as well until I watched the Colt/Raven Sunday Nighter a few years when Manning was poised to tie/break Marino's TDP mark. I'll go to my grave believing that something was oddly wrong with the officiating in that game. I kinda forgot about it until I watched the Colt/Steelers Divisional match-up. Overturning Polamalu's INT which came at a critical juncture in that game was nothing short of total BS. The Steeler/Seahawk Super Bowl......... whateverThe recent Patriot/Colt match-up, brought it all back.I like to call it the guiding hand.

 

[Sopranos]

Homefield is what it is. Are you trying to tell me Washington Wr's were not mugged the week before. The pats have always been a team that uses alot of illegal contact. At home they will get away with it. But not so much on the road. Its the way it should be, if at all

 

[brettdj]

Samuel was Guilty but the Hobbs call was ticky tack as he had position.Having said that, who cares? Teams need to overcome penalties; it's part of football.

When your team sets a franchise record for penalties in a game... you probably shouldn't win that game.That Ellis Hobbs play was insanely stupid. He had position and was going to try to make an interception, and then Reggie Wayne tore him down. And Hobbs got called.

Hobbs interferred before he looked up for the ball. He cut off Wayne. Wayne got tripped up and fell grabbing Hobbs after Hobbs turned to look for the ball. Classic Cutoff.

 

[CalBear]

That Ellis Hobbs play was insanely stupid. He had position and was going to try to make an interception, and then Reggie Wayne tore him down. And Hobbs got called.

Yeah, that never happens in football...Defenders get jobbed on PI calls all the time.

 

[Pat Patriot]

Samuel was Guilty but the Hobbs call was ticky tack as he had position.Having said that, who cares? Teams need to overcome penalties; it's part of football.

When your team sets a franchise record for penalties in a game... you probably shouldn't win that game.That Ellis Hobbs play was insanely stupid. He had position and was going to try to make an interception, and then Reggie Wayne tore him down. And Hobbs got called.

Hobbs interferred before he looked up for the ball. He cut off Wayne. Wayne got tripped up and fell grabbing Hobbs after Hobbs turned to look for the ball. Classic Cutoff.

Really?

 

[Phlash]

Samuel was Guilty but the Hobbs call was ticky tack as he had position.Having said that, who cares? Teams need to overcome penalties; it's part of football.

When your team sets a franchise record for penalties in a game... you probably shouldn't win that game.That Ellis Hobbs play was insanely stupid. He had position and was going to try to make an interception, and then Reggie Wayne tore him down. And Hobbs got called.

Hobbs interferred before he looked up for the ball. He cut off Wayne. Wayne got tripped up and fell grabbing Hobbs after Hobbs turned to look for the ball. Classic Cutoff.

Or that Peyton overthrew Wayne by a lot and Hobbs had him beat on the route. Classic bad pass.

 

[dawrecker]

Samuel was Guilty but the Hobbs call was ticky tack as he had position.Having said that, who cares? Teams need to overcome penalties; it's part of football.

When your team sets a franchise record for penalties in a game... you probably shouldn't win that game.That Ellis Hobbs play was insanely stupid. He had position and was going to try to make an interception, and then Reggie Wayne tore him down. And Hobbs got called.

Hobbs interferred before he looked up for the ball. He cut off Wayne. Wayne got tripped up and fell grabbing Hobbs after Hobbs turned to look for the ball. Classic Cutoff.

Really?

Well per the NFL network replay on Total Access where they review all "questionable" calls during the week they specifically talked about the Hobbs PI and they agreed that it was a classic cutoff and there was no question that the proper call was pass interference. So you can laugh all you want or you can learn the rules.

 

[pizzatyme]

Samuel was Guilty but the Hobbs call was ticky tack as he had position.Having said that, who cares? Teams need to overcome penalties; it's part of football.

When your team sets a franchise record for penalties in a game... you probably shouldn't win that game.That Ellis Hobbs play was insanely stupid. He had position and was going to try to make an interception, and then Reggie Wayne tore him down. And Hobbs got called.

Hobbs interferred before he looked up for the ball. He cut off Wayne. Wayne got tripped up and fell grabbing Hobbs after Hobbs turned to look for the ball. Classic Cutoff.

Really?

Well per the NFL network replay on Total Access where they review all "questionable" calls during the week they specifically talked about the Hobbs PI and they agreed that it was a classic cutoff and there was no question that the proper call was pass interference. So you can laugh all you want or you can learn the rules.

This happened right in front of us at the game. Hobbs clearly intended to cutoff Wayne there. He stepped in and then looked for the ball. I'm surprised people can't see that clearly.As for the Moss PI in the endzone...

 

[Uwe Blab]

Bill Simmons just added his, what is now, usual, whiny, insufferable two cents to this whole thing.

Bill Simmons' awfulness

Remember when he used to be a halfway good read for a Friday afternoon poop session? I'm having to read work memos on the crapper now. WORK MEMOS.

He's such a martyr....

 

[Bad_Mo]

Samuel was Guilty but the Hobbs call was ticky tack as he had position.Having said that, who cares? Teams need to overcome penalties; it's part of football.

When your team sets a franchise record for penalties in a game... you probably shouldn't win that game.That Ellis Hobbs play was insanely stupid. He had position and was going to try to make an interception, and then Reggie Wayne tore him down. And Hobbs got called.

Hobbs interferred before he looked up for the ball. He cut off Wayne. Wayne got tripped up and fell grabbing Hobbs after Hobbs turned to look for the ball. Classic Cutoff.

Mike Pereira is that you?

 

[Ghost Rider]

Bill Simmons just added his, what is now, usual, whiny, insufferable two cents to this whole thing.

Bill Simmons' awfulness

Remember when he used to be a halfway good read for a Friday afternoon poop session? I'm having to read work memos on the crapper now. WORK MEMOS.

He's such a martyr....

Bill Simmons is a joke. I wonder what he thought of Super Bowl 36 and the '03 AFC title game, games where numerous bad calls (or non-calls) enabled the Patriots to win games in route to multiple Super Bowl titles.

 

[Workhorse]

Samuel was Guilty but the Hobbs call was ticky tack as he had position.Having said that, who cares? Teams need to overcome penalties; it's part of football.

When your team sets a franchise record for penalties in a game... you probably shouldn't win that game.That Ellis Hobbs play was insanely stupid. He had position and was going to try to make an interception, and then Reggie Wayne tore him down. And Hobbs got called.

Hobbs interferred before he looked up for the ball. He cut off Wayne. Wayne got tripped up and fell grabbing Hobbs after Hobbs turned to look for the ball. Classic Cutoff.

After seeing Mike Perreira's explanation with slo-mo video on NFL Network, I can absolutely see why they made the call. I don't necessarily think I'd have thrown the flag there but it's not nearly as egregious as I first thought.

 

[switz]

I saw quite a few non-calls on the Pats, and I thought the "push out" at the end was a joke, as Stallworth IMO was clearly going to land with his foot out of bounds. But I'm not starting threads saying the officials gave NE the game at the end.

Please point out if anything in this image suggests his inside foot was going to land out of bounds.

You can't see his feet, nor determine his elevation, motion, anything from a still image. Nice try though.

 

[TommyGilmore]

Bill Simmons just added his, what is now, usual, whiny, insufferable two cents to this whole thing.

Bill Simmons' awfulness

Remember when he used to be a halfway good read for a Friday afternoon poop session? I'm having to read work memos on the crapper now. WORK MEMOS.

He's such a martyr....

Bill Simmons is a joke. I wonder what he thought of Super Bowl 36 and the '03 AFC title game, games where numerous bad calls (or non-calls) enabled the Patriots to win games in route to multiple Super Bowl titles.

Originally he defended the Tuck Rule....now he says it's a bad rule (but obviously he doesn't advocate forfeiting the game....)

 

[mad sweeney]

Samuel was Guilty but the Hobbs call was ticky tack as he had position.Having said that, who cares? Teams need to overcome penalties; it's part of football.

When your team sets a franchise record for penalties in a game... you probably shouldn't win that game.That Ellis Hobbs play was insanely stupid. He had position and was going to try to make an interception, and then Reggie Wayne tore him down. And Hobbs got called.

Hobbs interferred before he looked up for the ball. He cut off Wayne. Wayne got tripped up and fell grabbing Hobbs after Hobbs turned to look for the ball. Classic Cutoff.

Mike Pereira is that you?

No, this was him on NFLN.

Well per the NFL network replay on Total Access where they review all "questionable" calls during the week they specifically talked about the Hobbs PI and they agreed that it was a classic cutoff and there was no question that the proper call was pass interference. So you can laugh all you want or you can learn the rules.

When the head of officiating clears the call, it was a good call. He lets it be known when his guys screw up.

 

[mad sweeney]

Samuel was Guilty but the Hobbs call was ticky tack as he had position.Having said that, who cares? Teams need to overcome penalties; it's part of football.

When your team sets a franchise record for penalties in a game... you probably shouldn't win that game.That Ellis Hobbs play was insanely stupid. He had position and was going to try to make an interception, and then Reggie Wayne tore him down. And Hobbs got called.

Hobbs interferred before he looked up for the ball. He cut off Wayne. Wayne got tripped up and fell grabbing Hobbs after Hobbs turned to look for the ball. Classic Cutoff.

Mike Pereira is that you?

No, this was him on NFLN.

Well per the NFL network replay on Total Access where they review all "questionable" calls during the week they specifically talked about the Hobbs PI and they agreed that it was a classic cutoff and there was no question that the proper call was pass interference. So you can laugh all you want or you can learn the rules.

When the head of officiating clears the call, it was a good call. He lets it be known when his guys screw up.

 

[parrot]

I saw quite a few non-calls on the Pats, and I thought the "push out" at the end was a joke, as Stallworth IMO was clearly going to land with his foot out of bounds. But I'm not starting threads saying the officials gave NE the game at the end.

Please point out if anything in this image suggests his inside foot was going to land out of bounds.

You can't see his feet, nor determine his elevation, motion, anything from a still image. Nice try though.

Nice non-denial denial. Here's another pic that shows his feet. "Clearly" he's about to land out of bounds.

 

[mad sweeney]

Samuel was Guilty but the Hobbs call was ticky tack as he had position.Having said that, who cares? Teams need to overcome penalties; it's part of football.

When your team sets a franchise record for penalties in a game... you probably shouldn't win that game.That Ellis Hobbs play was insanely stupid. He had position and was going to try to make an interception, and then Reggie Wayne tore him down. And Hobbs got called.

Hobbs interferred before he looked up for the ball. He cut off Wayne. Wayne got tripped up and fell grabbing Hobbs after Hobbs turned to look for the ball. Classic Cutoff.

Mike Pereira is that you?

No, but this was him on NFLN.

Well per the NFL network replay on Total Access where they review all "questionable" calls during the week they specifically talked about the Hobbs PI and they agreed that it was a classic cutoff and there was no question that the proper call was pass interference. So you can laugh all you want or you can learn the rules.

When the head of officiating clears the call, it was a good call. He lets it be known when his guys screw up.

 

[((Morpheus))]

I saw quite a few non-calls on the Pats, and I thought the "push out" at the end was a joke, as Stallworth IMO was clearly going to land with his foot out of bounds. But I'm not starting threads saying the officials gave NE the game at the end.

Please point out if anything in this image suggests his inside foot was going to land out of bounds.

You can't see his feet, nor determine his elevation, motion, anything from a still image. Nice try though.

Nice non-denial denial. Here's another pic that shows his feet. "Clearly" he's about to land out of bounds.

wned:

 

[daveandken]

The title of this thread relates to 'Officiating anomalies'. I'm still waiting to hear the anomalies. The only questionable call I've heard mentioned is the Hobbs cut off Wayne's route. Anomalies? Please...

Sounds like Patriots fans need some tin foil.

 

[greenline]

What about the non-call on Faulk or the non call of Bob Sanders helmet-to-helmet spearing of Randy Moss?

 

[daveandken]

What about the non-call on Faulk or the non call of Bob Sanders helmet-to-helmet spearing of Randy Moss?

Watched the whole game and those didn't stand out.Besides, people are complaining because the Patriots set a franchise record for penalties. But noone seems to be able to bring up any definitive call that was wrong. And all you have to offer is non-calls. wow.

 

[Nathan R. Jessep]

The one thing I remember thinking was strange was on the first play that got reviewed (I think) where Moorehead (again, I think) caught the ball on the sideline. As he caught it, a good 1/3 of his foot was in the white, it was easy to see when it happened in real-time. Then they show the instant replay, and there is one official running in from upfield and another running in from downfield, each about 5-10 yards away from where he came down, with nothing blocking their view of his feet. And they called it a completion It got overturned of course, but refs generally don't miss 'easy' calls like that. I just remember thinking it was strange when it happened.

 

[greenline]

What about the non-call on Faulk or the non call of Bob Sanders helmet-to-helmet spearing of Randy Moss?

Watched the whole game and those didn't stand out.Besides, people are complaining because the Patriots set a franchise record for penalties. But noone seems to be able to bring up any definitive call that was wrong. And all you have to offer is non-calls. wow.

Well two long PIs will do that. I could care less about setting any record. I just think for the league to say the crew did a good job is weak. The Hobbs PI call was ticky-tack.

 

[daveandken]

The one thing I remember thinking was strange was on the first play that got reviewed (I think) where Moorehead (again, I think) caught the ball on the sideline. As he caught it, a good 1/3 of his foot was in the white, it was easy to see when it happened in real-time. Then they show the instant replay, and there is one official running in from upfield and another running in from downfield, each about 5-10 yards away from where he came down, with nothing blocking their view of his feet. And they called it a completion It got overturned of course, but refs generally don't miss 'easy' calls like that. I just remember thinking it was strange when it happened.

It was a strange play because his first foot was out of bounds (like you said), however his second foot was in. I would be willing to bet that both refs were watching his back foot. It is normally the one that determines whether he's in our out.Besides, this was overturned after the replay, so there's really nothing to complain about. No timeout was lost, and the Pats didn't need another replay later in the half.

 

[daveandken]

What about the non-call on Faulk or the non call of Bob Sanders helmet-to-helmet spearing of Randy Moss?

Watched the whole game and those didn't stand out.Besides, people are complaining because the Patriots set a franchise record for penalties. But noone seems to be able to bring up any definitive call that was wrong. And all you have to offer is non-calls. wow.

Well two long PIs will do that. I could care less about setting any record. I just think for the league to say the crew did a good job is weak. The Hobbs PI call was ticky-tack.

I don't see how an obvious PI on the first one has ANYTHING to do with the second call. They are completely unrelated. So basically I'm hearing complaining about 1 call on a day when the Patriots set a record. And even then, its a rule interpretation - technically when a DB cuts off the WR its pass interference. Nothing to see here. Just more whining.

 

[switz]

I saw quite a few non-calls on the Pats, and I thought the "push out" at the end was a joke, as Stallworth IMO was clearly going to land with his foot out of bounds. But I'm not starting threads saying the officials gave NE the game at the end.

Please point out if anything in this image suggests his inside foot was going to land out of bounds.

You can't see his feet, nor determine his elevation, motion, anything from a still image. Nice try though.

Nice non-denial denial. Here's another pic that shows his feet. "Clearly" he's about to land out of bounds.

wned:

It still doesn't show his motion, but I would agree from that still cap that he was in bounds. It obviously was close enough in motion for them to review it, so I'm not sure why you're so whiny about it.

 

[TommyGilmore]

The title of this thread relates to 'Officiating anomalies'. I'm still waiting to hear the anomalies.

Just cutting-and-pasting from Bill Simmons, but......1. three minutes into the game, when Aaron Moorehead's entire left foot landed out of bounds on a first-down catch. 2. Ellis Hobbs got tackled from behind by Reggie Wayne while trying to catch an interception (8:58 remaining, second quarter), followed by the officials' whistling Hobbs for a 40-yard pass interference penalty because he made the mistake of bringing down Wayne's arms with his back. Hey, Indianapolis, here's a free first-and-goal for you guys. Enjoy!(Note: Watch NFL Network's replay of the game for the split-screen explanation by Mike Pereira, NFL vice president of officiating, who claims Hobbs impeded Wayne's path to the ball and initiated contact before turning around to find the football. Only one problem ... as Pereira is telling us this, the split-screen replay shows Hobbs turning around before there was any contact. It's an incredible 10 seconds of TV. I wish we could hire Pereira to describe other things that allegedly didn't happen while we show videotape to prove the opposite was true. "As this tape by Rick Salomon proves, Paris Hilton has never had sex with someone on camera ...")3. head-scratching no-call when Dallas Clark pulled down Rodney Harrison as Harrison tried to catch an end-zone interception on Indy's first drive (10:09 remaining, first quarter)4. Asante Samuel's drawing a pass-interference penalty on an uncatchable 40-yard bomb that set up Indy's first field goal (4:14 remaining, first quarter)5. incredible no-call when Moorehead blocked Rashad Baker in the back (how did Jim Nantz and Phil Simms both miss this?!?!?!?) to spring Joe Addai's 73-yard touchdown at the end of the first half. 6. 15-yard "unsportsmanlike conduct" call on Matt Light after Gary Brackett's interception, of which CBS couldn't even find a replay (14:04 remaining, fourth quarter).7. no-call when Rosie Colvin got held while trying to sack Peyton Manning on a crucial third-and-15 that the Colts ended up converting on their last touchdown drive (12:52 remaining, fourth quarter). 8. no-call on Indy's final drive when Bryan Fletcher was blocking Colvin at the end of a running play, got frustrated and ripped Colvin's helmet off right in front of an official (2:55 remaining, fourth quarter). 9. no-call when Kevin Faulk got hooked directly in front of an official while reaching for a third-and-21 pass over the middle10. pivotal first-and-goal interference call on Randy Moss when he made the mistake of running forward for five yards and turning around(Note: I'd give you the exact times on those last two plays, but both of them were mysteriously deleted from the NFL Network's official replay of the game. Hmmmmmm.)11. rarely seen "blocking someone while they're out of bounds" penalty on Willie Andrews

 

[dawrecker]

Bill Simmons just added his, what is now, usual, whiny, insufferable two cents to this whole thing.

Bill Simmons' awfulness

Remember when he used to be a halfway good read for a Friday afternoon poop session? I'm having to read work memos on the crapper now. WORK MEMOS.

He's such a martyr....

Hillarious how Bill Simmons wasnt even watching the play he is so concerned about because any 10 year old could see that Hobbs clearly cutoff Wayne well before the ball got. Simmons is a joke and the fact that ESPN continues to him put out such garbage is a joke in itself.

 

[parrot]

I saw quite a few non-calls on the Pats, and I thought the "push out" at the end was a joke, as Stallworth IMO was clearly going to land with his foot out of bounds. But I'm not starting threads saying the officials gave NE the game at the end.

Please point out if anything in this image suggests his inside foot was going to land out of bounds.

You can't see his feet, nor determine his elevation, motion, anything from a still image. Nice try though.

Nice non-denial denial. Here's another pic that shows his feet. "Clearly" he's about to land out of bounds.

wned:

It still doesn't show his motion, but I would agree from that still cap that he was in bounds. It obviously was close enough in motion for them to review it, so I'm not sure why you're so whiny about it.

Pointing out a claim someone has made in multiple thread is wrong = "whiny". I'll try to remember that.

 

[Nathan R. Jessep]

The one thing I remember thinking was strange was on the first play that got reviewed (I think) where Moorehead (again, I think) caught the ball on the sideline. As he caught it, a good 1/3 of his foot was in the white, it was easy to see when it happened in real-time. Then they show the instant replay, and there is one official running in from upfield and another running in from downfield, each about 5-10 yards away from where he came down, with nothing blocking their view of his feet. And they called it a completion It got overturned of course, but refs generally don't miss 'easy' calls like that. I just remember thinking it was strange when it happened.

It was a strange play because his first foot was out of bounds (like you said), however his second foot was in. I would be willing to bet that both refs were watching his back foot. It is normally the one that determines whether he's in our out.Besides, this was overturned after the replay, so there's really nothing to complain about. No timeout was lost, and the Pats didn't need another replay later in the half.

I wasn't complaining...I know it was reversed correctly, but I just thought it was odd that the officials missed a call that obvious...they normally are pretty darn good at calls like that...his foot on the white stood out like a sore thumbapparently the Simmons guy thought this too

 

[mad sweeney]

The one thing I remember thinking was strange was on the first play that got reviewed (I think) where Moorehead (again, I think) caught the ball on the sideline. As he caught it, a good 1/3 of his foot was in the white, it was easy to see when it happened in real-time. Then they show the instant replay, and there is one official running in from upfield and another running in from downfield, each about 5-10 yards away from where he came down, with nothing blocking their view of his feet. And they called it a completion It got overturned of course, but refs generally don't miss 'easy' calls like that. I just remember thinking it was strange when it happened.

It was a strange play because his first foot was out of bounds (like you said), however his second foot was in. I would be willing to bet that both refs were watching his back foot. It is normally the one that determines whether he's in our out.Besides, this was overturned after the replay, so there's really nothing to complain about. No timeout was lost, and the Pats didn't need another replay later in the half.

They generally watch the ball to see the possession and then look to the feet, where a vast majority of the time it's the second foot that is in danger of being out. So they see possession, look down and see the second foot land in-bounds. That's what replay is for and getting it fixed doesn't cost anybody anything.

 

[TommyGilmore]

I saw quite a few non-calls on the Pats, and I thought the "push out" at the end was a joke, as Stallworth IMO was clearly going to land with his foot out of bounds. But I'm not starting threads saying the officials gave NE the game at the end.

Please point out if anything in this image suggests his inside foot was going to land out of bounds.

You can't see his feet, nor determine his elevation, motion, anything from a still image. Nice try though.

The picture is cropped right at his shoelaces and you say "you can't see his feet". But hey, maybe he was levitating 1" off the turf and was going to magically float sideways out of bounds a la Harry Potter.