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Ohio State University wrestling sexual abuse scandal (1 Viewer)

Talk to knowledge dropper. He started a MeToo thread in this forum that ran 23 pages. So, arguably, the mods think the subject matter belongs in this forum:

https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/764849-metoo-movement/#comment-20833275

Plus there is a Harvey Weinstein thread in this forum, the mods were OK with that for some reason:

https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/761394-the-harvey-weinstein-scandal/#comment-20501386

Plus a Bill Cosby thread that apparently was political enough to be allowed here:

https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/766129-bill-cosby-picked-a-bad-time-to-go-on-trial/#comment-21007935
Isn't #MeToo a sexual assault thing?  The couple involved in the Meyer cover-up is not a sexual assault case.  It's domestic violence.

 
Talk to knowledge dropper. He started a MeToo thread in this forum that ran 23 pages. So, arguably, the mods think the subject matter belongs in this forum:

https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/764849-metoo-movement/#comment-20833275

Plus there is a Harvey Weinstein thread in this forum, the mods were OK with that for some reason:

https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/761394-the-harvey-weinstein-scandal/#comment-20501386

Plus a Bill Cosby thread that apparently was political enough to be allowed here:

https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/766129-bill-cosby-picked-a-bad-time-to-go-on-trial/#comment-21007935
Isn't #MeToo a sexual assault thing?  The couple involved in the Meyer cover-up is not a sexual assault case.  It's domestic violence.
Correction: This is my least favorite dialog combo.

 
I have to side with RW- don’t see anything political about this story at this point. What am I missing? 
Cover up at a major university football program to protect the cash cow (see Penn State). It is all about recruiting players, money from ticket sales, memorabilia, TV ratings and alumni contributions. Ultimately it always comes down to the bottom line - which is what Penn State and OSU, (among other colleges/universities) have in common.

 
Cover up at a major university football program to protect the cash cow (see Penn State). It is all about recruiting players, money from ticket sales, memorabilia, TV ratings and alumni contributions. Ultimately it always comes down to the bottom line - which is what Penn State and OSU, (among other colleges/universities) have in common.
Yeah I get it. Those are important issues worth discussing. But how is it political? (Yet another reason I despise having a separate forum for politics.)

 
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Yeah I get it. Those are important issues worth discussing. But how is it political? (Yet another reason I despise having a separate forum for politics.)
Let it go. If you didn't have 122k posts, people wouldn't suspect that you were just annoyed that fewer people were seeing what you had to say at any given moment. And maybe would be more open to your arguments about this topic.

 
See Daily Show for Trevor Noah commentary on Jim Jordan situation and similarity to Penn State and Paterno.

 
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Let's let SID weigh on this as to his thoughts on the subject.
This was probably my bad. While having a beer I read the story on Meyer and I just posted it here. I wasn’t thinking politics, I was thinking holy cow OSU has a lot going on in its athletics. And frankly I thought it might be trolling to post it in the OSU thread, I genuinely feel bad for the fans.

Now Jordan? That’s political. My thought on it is FFA is not political so to the extent people want to drag politics into the wrestling scandal they can do so here. 

Anyway sorry for the confusion. - SID

 
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Rumor mill never sleeps. My guess is Stoops passes on this if Meyer is gonzo

Could Bob Stoops replace Urban Meyer at Ohio State?

DAN WOLKEN 

Unlike most of college football’s bluebloods, Ohio State has managed for the last half-century to avoid the peaks and valleys that have shaped the history of Alabama, Texas, Southern Cal and the rest. Any downward trend for the Buckeyes has been relatively short-lived, as their last three coaches – Urban Meyer, Jim Tressel and John Cooper – were all able to transition out of potential turbulence and quickly get Ohio State back into the top 10.

Bob Stoops retired last year after coaching Oklahoma.

STEVE MITCHELL-USA TODAY SPORTS

The Buckeyes’ steadiness as a powerhouse could be tested again soon if the school chooses to part ways with Meyer, who was placed on administrative leave Wednesday as questions arose over how much he knew about domestic abuse allegations made by the wife of his former receivers coach Zach Smith over a period of several years. 

Though the circumstances are entirely different and the outcome still uncertain, the current drama echoes the sudden collapse of Tressel’s tenure amidst an NCAA scandal in May of 2011. As the Buckeyes played that season under interim coach Luke Fickell, the only story line that mattered was Ohio State’s six-month courtship of Meyer, who was sitting out the season to hit the reset button on his health and career after “retiring” from Florida. 

More: Ohio State must fire Urban Meyer if he was protecting serial abuser

More: New contract provisions could pose problem as Ohio State's Urban Meyer is placed on leave

Likewise, should history repeat itself with the Buckeyes playing in 2018 under interim coach Ryan Day, all eyes in the coaching industry will be on another retired national championship coach with ties to the state of Ohio: Bob Stoops. 

Among several college athletics insiders, who spoke to USA TODAY Sports on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the situation, the consensus Thursday in analyzing a potential Ohio State coaching search was that Stoops would be in a class by himself as a candidate for the job with a fairly clear drop-off to the next tier of options. 

What’s less certain is whether the 57-year old Stoops, who somewhat surprisingly walked away from Oklahoma last summer, has any desire to coach again. Those who know Stoops best tend to believe he’s done, but he’s careful not to close the door.

“Sometimes you get in life something you don’t like … you have to do something different,” he told USA TODAY Sports in December. “But I don’t see that happening with me.”

If Stoops had any inclination at all to come back, Ohio State could have more allure than any other job given his family’s roots in Youngstown, where his father was a high school coach, and the potential to win big right away given the strong construction of the roster for the foreseeable future. 

Of course, there could be more factors in play than just whether Stoops wants to coach again, including whether athletics director Gene Smith gets caught up in the controversy. Smith, who has been at Ohio State since 2005, is highly respected across college athletics and would have a much better chance of landing someone such as Stoops or another big name due to his gravitas and understanding what it takes to win at a championship level.

But if Meyer doesn’t survive, this would be the second major scandal under his watch that would take down a national championship winning coach. In that event, Smith’s job could very well be jeopardy, at which point a coaching search could take on an entirely different tenor.

Though Texas coach Tom Herman’s name would be widely associated with an opening at Ohio State, there’s skepticism across the industry that he’d be a real candidate for a variety of reasons including timing, having just entered his second year at Texas.

Other notable names such as Washington’s Chris Petersen, Stanford’s David Shaw and TCU’s Gary Patterson come up in every high-profile coaching search, but they have remained unmovable to this point. 

The good news for Ohio State is that its competition on the marketplace projects to be light if it had to do a search. With a mass of high-profile programs turning over recently, the only other elite-level jobs that would even have the potential to open this year are USC and LSU barring a scandal, surprise retirement or someone jumping to the NFL. 

But the flip side of that is the pool of younger coaches who are established enough for a job like Ohio State and moveable from their current situations is relatively small. Virginia Tech’s Justin Fuente would have the temperament and coaching chops to thrive in the Big Ten and South Carolina’s Will Muschamp could put himself back on the map for a blueblood job if the Gamecocks have the kind of season they expect. Baylor’s Matt Rhule and Minnesota’s P.J. Fleck showed big-time potential in turning around Group of Five schools but haven’t had time to show they can do it yet in the Power Five. 

Among that tier, the name that makes the most sense is Iowa State’s Matt Campbell, the 38-year old from Massillon, Ohio, who played at the storied Division III powerhouse Mount Union and emerged as a hot coaching prospect by going 35-15 at Toledo. Leading Iowa State to 8-5 last year, including a victory over Oklahoma, was a coaching achievement that would certainly put him on Ohio State’s radar. 

The other X-factor would be how Day performs as the interim coach. The 39-year old offensive whiz from the Chip Kelly tree has a low profile nationally but a good reputation within the industry. Frankly, not knowing much about him may be to Ohio State’s benefit in the near term. If he took over a uniquely chaotic situation and made the College Football Playoff anyway, it would certainly say a lot about his future as a head coach whether in Columbus or elsewhere. 

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More than 100 men have now come forward to say they were molested by Dr. Richard Strauss, a team doctor and physician at Ohio State University from the late 1970s to the 1990s, according to an independent investigation commissioned by the university.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/02/us/politics/ohio-state-wrestlers-abuse-me-too.html
>>Complicating it is the assistant wrestling coach at the time, Jim Jordan, who is now a powerful conservative congressmanrunning to be speaker of the House next year. Mr. Jordan has denied knowing anything about sexual misconduct and insinuated that some of the accusers may have political motives.<<

- I don’t understand this. I get if he was saying that it wasn’t clear what was going on, and I could see if he was angry at Strauss (is he?), but it seems like he’s accusing victims and team members of lying, which isn’t consistent with someone interested in the truth of things.

 
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I actually agree with the points above that football talk doesn’t belong in TPF.
If it is football talk that has political aspects to it, yes it does belong. However, it didn't seem to in this instance, as this was just a list of the coaching prospects to replace Urban Meyer.

 
If it is football talk that has political aspects to it, yes it does belong. However, it didn't seem to in this instance, as this was just a list of the coaching prospects to replace Urban Meyer.
Urban Meyer failing to report domestic violence is not political either.  

 
Urban Meyer failing to report domestic violence is not political either.  
Arguably, neither was Joe Paterno not reporting Jerry Sandusky either, but just about everyone agrees that the Penn State scandal has political overtones and implications.

And it was SaintsInDome that posted the piece about Meyer, not me and he has since expressed doubts. I questioned whether it belonged and asked for input as to whether the discussion should be expanded to include the domestic violence cover up.

As noted above domestic violence is considered part of the #MeToo movement, along with sexual harassment and sexual assault. The Rob Porter White House spousal abuse allegations was considered a political discussion (I never saw one post saying that talk about Porter did not belong in this forum because it just concerned domestic violence).

 
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Rumor mill never sleeps. My guess is Stoops passes on this if Meyer is gonzo

Could Bob Stoops replace Urban Meyer at Ohio State?
Who knows, but this is not a good sign...

SportsCenter‏Verified account @SportsCenter 1h1 hour ago

Breaking: Ohio State suspends Urban Meyer for three games without pay.

 
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I've been looking for a FBG folkstyle wrestling thread... never would have thought to look in the politics forum for it :shrug:  

 
The details make it sound a lot worse than just the article headline:

When a referee told then-assistant coach Jim Jordan that a team doctor had masturbated in front of him in the shower at OSU, Jordan's response was "Yeah, yeah, we know." That doctor would ultimately molest 177 male students.

"Yeah, yeah, we know."   :(

 
Jim Jordan’s name comes up during Statehouse testimony on OSU abuse victims bill

U.S. Rep. Jim Jordan’s name came up Tuesday during a Statehouse hearing on a bill that would pave the way for victims of former Ohio State University doctor Richard Strauss to sue the university for damages.

Adam DiSabato, a former captain of the OSU wrestling team during the late 80s and early 90s, told members of the House Civil Justice Committee that Jordan and other team officials knew about open-shower team facilities that facilitated sexual harassment and abuse of team wrestlers, an allegation Jordan has denied.

He also said Jordan called him repeatedly in July 2018, after media outlets quoted his brother, Michael DiSabato, saying Strauss’ abuse was common knowledge to those surrounding the wrestling program, including Jordan.

“Jim Jordan called me crying, groveling… begging me to go against my brother…That’s the kind of cover-up that’s going on there,” he said.

“Are you guys going to do what you’re voted to do?” he told lawmakers later. “That’s the only reason I’m here.”

Jordan, an assistant coach for the wrestling team at OSU from 1987 to 1995, has denied knowledge of lewd behavior at university facilities. Adam DiSabato is among the former OSU wrestlers who have filed lawsuits against the school alleging it ignored Strauss’ abuse.

Ian Fury, a Jordan spokesman, in a statement called DiSabato’s testimony “another lie.”

“Congressman Jordan never saw or heard of any abuse, and if he had he would have dealt with it,” Fury said.

 
If the abuse was common knowledge, why did the DiSabato family keep sending their kids to OSU?    It doesn’t make sense.
I'm sure they love their state and school just like people can be appalled and disgusted by a president and still love their country. And I'm guessing it's entirely possible to send one's children to a school and somehow avoid their being endangered by assault by the wrestling team staff.

 
This isn’t just the wrestling program.   Strauss was the handsy doctor for multiple OSU sports.  The culture at Larkins hall where connected grown men ogled young male athletes in the community showers was allowed to persist for decades was also well known. 
 

The doctor committed suicide 15 years ago, but the coverup is way higher than an assistant wrestling coach during a portion of Strauss doing sick things.  Names like Les Wexner and even Epstein have gotten entangled in all this.  

 
This isn’t just the wrestling program.   Strauss was the handsy doctor for multiple OSU sports.  The culture at Larkins hall where connected grown men ogled young male athletes in the community showers was allowed to persist for decades was also well known. 
 

The doctor committed suicide 15 years ago, but the coverup is way higher than an assistant wrestling coach during a portion of Strauss doing sick things.  Names like Les Wexner and even Epstein have gotten entangled in all this.  
Sounds like you think Jordan is wrapped up in this awful story. Republicans in Ohio can do better.

 
:bag:

...common knowledge to those surrounding the wrestling program
6 DiSabato kids wrestled for OSU.  IIRC one of the brothers also was an assistant, it seems odd to keep sending your kids to wrestle at OSU where they will get ogled and molested.  It simply doesn’t add up.

 
6 DiSabato kids wrestled for OSU.  IIRC one of the brothers also was an assistant, it seems odd to keep sending your kids to wrestle at OSU where they will get ogled and molested.  It simply doesn’t add up.
It all adds up.  Kids aren't the parents and  that facet changes nothing. 

 
This isn’t just the wrestling program.   Strauss was the handsy doctor for multiple OSU sports.  The culture at Larkins hall where connected grown men ogled young male athletes in the community showers was allowed to persist for decades was also well known. 
 

The doctor committed suicide 15 years ago, but the coverup is way higher than an assistant wrestling coach during a portion of Strauss doing sick things.  Names like Les Wexner and even Epstein have gotten entangled in all this.  
I’ll quote you from less than 2 months ago in the MAGA thread

”I’m fine with Jim Jordan in 2924”

 
I’m generally not a fan of denigrating politicians with nicknames, but Gym Jordan is the exception. 
I'm actually the opposite. Give me #MoscowMitch all day, but while I hate Jordan as much as anyone, it actually really bothers me when people turn sexual abuse into a joke. As I said previously in this thread, from what I've heard his culpability in this scandal is fairly limited, although I am very bothered by his refusal to be forthright about what he knew. Either way, though, I refuse to use the abuse of young men as a cudgel against a politician, no matter how much I oppose him.

 
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/06/politics/jordan-osu-wrestlers-strauss-invs/index.html

Six former wrestlers say Rep. Jim Jordan knew about abusive OSU doctor

(CNN)Tito Vazquez says he still remembers the day three decades ago when, as a wrestler at Ohio State University, the doctor he'd gone to see about a bloody nose insisted on examining his genitals. He also recalls how one of his coaches dismissed his immediate complaint.

"'I have nothing to do with this,'" Vazquez quoted the assistant coach saying, as he effectively ended the conversation and went on with wrestling practice.

That coach, Vazquez says, was Jim Jordan, now an Ohio congressman and an influential voice in Republican politics, perhaps best known for his pugnacious defense of President Donald Trump during the recent impeachment proceedings.

Vazquez is one of six former OSU wrestlers who told CNN in recent interviews that they were present when Jordan heard or responded to sexual misconduct complaints about team doctor Richard Strauss. Eight others say Strauss' inappropriate behavior was an open secret in the athletic department and that Jordan, among others, must have known about it.

What Jordan and other coaches knew, and when they knew it, has been under scrutiny since 2018, when OSU announced an investigation into the allegations against Strauss. An independent report commissioned by the university concluded last year that Strauss "sexually abused at least 177 male student-patients" between 1979 and 1998. The doctor died by suicide in 2005.

A number of lawsuits have been filed against OSU over allegations related to Strauss. On Friday, OSU announced that it reached a monetary settlement with Strauss' victims in 11 out of 18 pending cases.

Since the scandal emerged, Jordan has emphatically denied that he knew anything about Strauss' abuse during his own years working at OSU, between 1987 and 1995. "Congressman Jordan never saw any abuse, never heard about any abuse, and never had any abuse reported to him during his time as a coach at Ohio State," his congressional office said in 2018.

But Vazquez, for one, doesn't believe Jordan's claims. "When these complaints come and he pretends now that he had no knowledge of it, that's betrayal in the highest level," said Vazquez, now a public school teacher, who added that the continued denials played a role in prompting him to speak out about his experience.

The OSU-commissioned report did not reach conclusions regarding each coach's knowledge of Strauss' abuse, but it did note that "numerous" student-athletes said they "talked about Strauss' inappropriate genital exams and complained about Strauss' locker room and shower room voyeurism, directly to—or in front of—OSU coaching staff." The report stated that 22 coaches -- unnamed in the report -- said they were aware of rumors or complaints about Strauss.

Since the release of that report, additional former student-athletes have come forward to publicly testify at the Ohio statehouse about Strauss' abuse. The state House of Representatives is considering a bill that would lift the statute of limitations for Strauss' victims and clear the way for them to sue OSU.

In an interview with CNN last week, Jordan again denied having prior knowledge of any abuse by Strauss and said he found it interesting that more former student-athletes have spoken out given the possibility of OSU paying them settlement money.

"The idea that I wouldn't stand up for these athletes is ridiculous," Jordan said. "I feel sorry for these guys, the fact that they aren't telling the truth. I mean these are guys I trained with, these are guys I worked out with, I ran with, wrestled with, and the idea that now they are saying what they are, it's just not true."

[...]

 
The OSU-commissioned report did not reach conclusions regarding each coach's knowledge of Strauss' abuse, but it did note that "numerous" student-athletes said they "talked about Strauss' inappropriate genital exams and complained about Strauss' locker room and shower room voyeurism, directly to—or in front of—OSU coaching staff." The report stated that 22 coaches -- unnamed in the report -- said they were aware of rumors or complaints about Strauss.
This is something I learned from the CNN report. I think I posted the report further up or in the Jordan thread and I thought it was a pretty good point that it didn’t mention Jordan. It was even done by Perkins Coie, as Jordan likes to point out.

However actually *no one was named in the report, meanwhile knowledge was widespread among assistant coaches, of which Jordan was one.

CNN also interviewed two wrestlers who separately said they personally saw Jordan witness incidents they were involved in.

I’ll give credit to Jordan for doing an interview with CNN though.

 
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It doesn't matter anymore...they will just say 'Democrat conspiracy, they are monsters' and everything will go on

 
At this point and so many years it's really hard to see so many first-hand people wasting their energy if they weren't all certain.

 
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