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OK Vick owners, huddle up (1 Viewer)

smcindoe

smcindoe

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Does this sound like you?

- You drafted Vick as a "value" QB1 with big upside in the mid- to late-rounds

- You picked up a solid QB2/3 because Vick scares you.

- You were ready to bench/trade him after his up-and-down start to the season

- You've seen him suddenly become a stud passer(!) over the past two weeks

- You've finally got the top tier QB you were hoping for when you rolled the dice on him

- You're absolutely terrified to trust him the rest of the season.

If you answered "yes" to several questions above, this thread is for you.

I have to say, I'm totally lost here. His upcoming schedule has some tough matchups on paper, but then again can you really measure a good/bad matchup for Vick the same as other QBs? His receivers are finally catching the ball -- trend or mirage? What about the "he could get killed on any play" factor?

What are you guys doing? Is it a sell high situation? If so, how -- package him with an RB or WR for another top tier QB? Deal him for a second-tier QB and some depth? Or on the other hand, are you dealing some of those solid backup QBs because you trust Vick the rest of the way?

I can't help but feel like I drafted him as lottery ticket, the ticket has turned into a winner, and now Idon't have the nerve to cash it in.

 
i have him and bulger. if bulger wants to make a tackle....i am ready with plan B. in the meantime, i am playing matchups.

 
Traded him after last weeks numbers. Can just see one of those runs ending in a sickening tackle.

Threw him and Tatum for peyton and Bears D (already have LT, FWP and Addai)

 
Texican said:
Let him continue to score a lot of points for your team :shrug:
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i say just keep him. cause if he starts to have a bad game throwing, he might get back to the run and give you a rushing TD. You never know with him and this year things seem to be clicking. Remember.. earlier in the season he had 3 TD's flat out dropped by his wide open recievers. It seems like things are coming together and he has the ability to put together a monster game during the playoff run regardless of who he plays. I only see LT & LJ as untradable, so unless you get a sweet offer for Vick that makes sense for your team... sit on him.
 
I naturally traded him 2 weeks ago before he blew up. If I hadn't, I would be holding on to him and riding him into the playoffs. To make life easy on me, I would prob. trade all my other QBs and pick up Schaub, hitch my wagon to Vick and be done with it.

 
I don't know why this keeps coming up as an issue. YOU RIDE HIM OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you drafted him as a mid round value, like I did, then this is exactly why you keep him. He is way outplaying his ADP and I see no reason why he would stop now.

 
I have Peyton Manning and Vick in a keeper league. I have not yet had the guts to start Vick except for Manning's bye week. I need to trade him for some WR help but this league is very experienced and they know my situation which is making trading difficult.

 
einstein2u said:
i have him and bulger. if bulger wants to make a tackle....i am ready with plan B. in the meantime, i am playing matchups.
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thoughts on the bolded part aboveVick can explode for a big game against good teams

how does this affect your "playing of the matchups"

this week Vick goes on the road to Detroit to play in a dome

Bulger is at home vs the Chiefs

both seem to have good matchups

Vick may have the advantage here because he can use his legs, but there is also the chance that the Rams v KC game will be a high scoring shootout

thoughts?

 
With McNabb as my QB1, I haven't started him yet. My plan all along was to have him start this week with McNabb on bye and Vick going against Detroit, then trade him to the highest bidder. Now, with McNabb "struggling" a bit, I'm not so sure I'll pull the trigger. I'm tempted to start Vick in week 10 as well, and see how McNabb does coming off his bye. It's a good problem to have. If I can upgrade my RB2 significantly, I'll probably go ahead and trade him. If not, I'll just wait and see.

 
s_ezy said:
einstein2u said:
i have him and bulger. if bulger wants to make a tackle....i am ready with plan B. in the meantime, i am playing matchups.
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thoughts on the bolded part aboveVick can explode for a big game against good teams

how does this affect your "playing of the matchups"

this week Vick goes on the road to Detroit to play in a dome

Bulger is at home vs the Chiefs

both seem to have good matchups

Vick may have the advantage here because he can use his legs, but there is also the chance that the Rams v KC game will be a high scoring shootout

thoughts?
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i always play bulger at home.....always. on the road i tend to lean towards vick.......this week....i am going with bulger.

 
Raskell5 said:
I don't know why this keeps coming up as an issue. YOU RIDE HIM OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!If you drafted him as a mid round value, like I did, then this is exactly why you keep him. He is way outplaying his ADP and I see no reason why he would stop now.
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Yes, but I think the concern a lot of us have is his consistency. He can average 25 pts/game but it won't help you if he puts up a 5-spot in the playoffs. And he could do that while still leading the Falcons to a win. Remember, they have a fantastic ground game. What happens when Dunn/Norwood combine for 230 yards and two TDs and Vick only has to throw 15 passes?And yes, of course any player can have a bad game. But Vick seems to be all over the map in terms of potential output on any given week. At least that's my perception -- maybe it's unfounded. I don't know.Add in the injury risk, and I don't think you can just say ADP and be done with it.
 
s_ezy said:
einstein2u said:
i have him and bulger. if bulger wants to make a tackle....i am ready with plan B. in the meantime, i am playing matchups.
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thoughts on the bolded part aboveVick can explode for a big game against good teams

how does this affect your "playing of the matchups"

this week Vick goes on the road to Detroit to play in a dome

Bulger is at home vs the Chiefs

both seem to have good matchups

Vick may have the advantage here because he can use his legs, but there is also the chance that the Rams v KC game will be a high scoring shootout

thoughts?
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In my league, Vick is scoring way more than Bulger (25% more points). Vick is close to tied for Peyton as QB2 with Bulger a distant QB4. You ride Vick while he is hot, especially against the Lions.
 
Yes, but I think the concern a lot of us have is his consistency. He can average 25 pts/game but it won't help you if he puts up a 5-spot in the playoffs.

And yes, of course any player can have a bad game. But Vick seems to be all over the map in terms of potential output on any given week. At least that's my perception -- maybe it's unfounded. I don't know.
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It is unfounded. Everyone in my league continues to knock Vick as being "inconsistent." In our standard scoring league, Vick is QB3 thru 8 weeks. More importantly, he has games of:19

25

12

16

16

28

32

Only the 12-pt. effort against New Orleans on MNF might be considered a dud. If you drafted him in the mid-rounds as a value pick, 16 shouldn't get you beat most weeks. I view everything above 15-16 pts. a week as a Christmas bonus.

Vick has NOT been inconsistent this year.

 
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Mcnabb owner

I packaged Vick with Ronnie Brown and Jacobs for Steven Jackson and Eric Moulds. (After Vick's 4 TD week)

My Other backs are Westbrook and Gore. Pickup up Losman for 1 week fill in against Packers in Buffalo.

 
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Well im one of the biggest VICK backers.

I have him in 5 of my 6 dynastys...(should be 6 of 6 but i did a trade last offseason.)

Anyway....here's my break down:

Maniacs team-

M.Vick/D.Brees (i play Vick till he lets me down)

DFFL team-

D.McNabb/M.Vick/Romo (i been rollin with McNabb, will play Vick for Mcnabb's bye but im getting the itch to play him over McNabb, nextx week will tell me alot) I also think ROMO will suprise so i may deal one of these qb's

XXII team-

McNABB/M.VICK (I play Vick for the bye and after that, i dunno. I only have Cutler behind them so i really cant afford to trade one of them)

Ballers team-

M.Vick/V.Young (Vick w/o a question)

Rehab team-

M.Vick/Big Ben/A.Smith (roll with Vick here too.)

Where i drafted Vick in most of my dynasty leagues this year was from 7th round to the 9th round. Seems most didnt want him so i got him very very late and happy about it. Vick has always been a very very cosistent qb....look at his scoring game by game in fantasy...sure he dont normally have those 30fp games alot but he's pretty cosistent for atleast 15-17fp/g. In my league where you gets 1fp for 10 yrds he can get 5-7fp on rushing alone.

 
birdy said:
Yes, but I think the concern a lot of us have is his consistency. He can average 25 pts/game but it won't help you if he puts up a 5-spot in the playoffs.

And yes, of course any player can have a bad game. But Vick seems to be all over the map in terms of potential output on any given week. At least that's my perception -- maybe it's unfounded. I don't know.
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It is unfounded. Everyone in my league continues to knock Vick as being "inconsistent." In our standard scoring league, Vick is QB3 thru 8 weeks. More importantly, he has games of:19

25

12

16

16

28

32

Only the 12-pt. effort against New Orleans on MNF might be considered a dud. If you drafted him in the mid-rounds as a value pick, 16 shouldn't get you beat most weeks. I view everything above 15-16 pts. a week as a Christmas bonus.

Vick has NOT been inconsistent this year.
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VERY :goodposting: I believe there was a thread not too long ago disproving Vick's inconsistency. I drafted him in the 8th round as my QB1 and I agree with the above post that anything over 15pts is gravy. Especially when the rest of my team is LJ, Jam Lewis, T Henry, R Wayne, T Owens, TJ Housh, A Bryant.... These guys more than make up for an "off" week by Vick and is exactly what you are looking for when you wait to get your QB and hope he outplays his ADP. Now obviously, if Vick is your #2 QB and you have a stud QB ahead of him, you might have the luxury of trading, but I think that only applies in a few scenarios.

 
:unsure:

I am strictly going by match-up.

I traded McCalister and Favre for Palmer and Jordan. I wanted Palmer as the ol' reliable type QB for my play off run.

Now that Vick is maybe "getting it" now, I am going to play matchup and not look back.

Vick is playing the Lions...

Vick is in my starting lineup.

 
birdy said:
And yes, of course any player can have a bad game. But Vick seems to be all over the map in terms of potential output on any given week. At least that's my perception -- maybe it's unfounded. I don't know.
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It is unfounded. Everyone in my league continues to knock Vick as being "inconsistent." In our standard scoring league, Vick is QB3 thru 8 weeks. More importantly, he has games of:
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Very good post. I guess my perception is based on his up-and-down passing numbers, not factoring in that his running often evens out his point totals.
 
I have the best of both worlds, I can play 2 QBs and have McNabb and Vick :D

Too bad my RBs suck, otherwise I would be running away with the league :wall:

But back on topic, I am keeping Vick and just made a trade where Schaub was a throw-in, so I have injury protection on Vick. Bottle up the passing game, Vick scores points on the ground, which keeps his point totals somewhat consistent. One week he scored 19 points for me without getting a TD pass nor TD run....that's insane. So I don't see any letdown. I am going to hold unless someone trades me 2 pretty good players for Vick.

 
I have Delhomme and Vick and was playing matchups until last week. Now Delhomme is moving to the pine and I'm all aboard the Vick train. If something happens to Vick, then I still have a serviceable QB to step into his place.

Vick is currently the #3 QB in my league, only behind Donovan and Peyton. Tremendous value for the 8th round I would say.

 
Sell him high

Get a good wr or rb for him.

There is no way he will continue what he did the last 2 games.

he has what? 5? crappy games and 2 great games.

sell high.

 
I'm a Vick and Farve owner but have started Farve the last two weeks vs. Miami and Ariz while Vick played Pitt and Cinn. I will continue to play match-ups. This week it looks like Vick is starting vs Detroit....

 
Ivanhoe said:
Sell him highGet a good wr or rb for him.There is no way he will continue what he did the last 2 games.he has what? 5? crappy games and 2 great games.sell high.
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Actually if your in a league that has rushing TD's and rushing yards higher then passing yards he has had 4 good games to 3 mediocre games. He hasnt really had a crappy game YET.
 
birdy said:
Yes, but I think the concern a lot of us have is his consistency. He can average 25 pts/game but it won't help you if he puts up a 5-spot in the playoffs.

And yes, of course any player can have a bad game. But Vick seems to be all over the map in terms of potential output on any given week. At least that's my perception -- maybe it's unfounded. I don't know.
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It is unfounded. Everyone in my league continues to knock Vick as being "inconsistent." In our standard scoring league, Vick is QB3 thru 8 weeks. More importantly, he has games of:19

25

12

16

16

28

32

Only the 12-pt. effort against New Orleans on MNF might be considered a dud. If you drafted him in the mid-rounds as a value pick, 16 shouldn't get you beat most weeks. I view everything above 15-16 pts. a week as a Christmas bonus.

Vick has NOT been inconsistent this year.
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And that game really should not have been a dud. There were so many dropped passes that could have been TDs (I know...shoulda, coulda, woulda). But really Vick was not the problem that game, it was the receivers.
 
I drafted Favre late and expected to play matchups between the two, but right now I think you can't bench Vick while he's on a roll like this. With his style of play you need a good QB2 on your roster, so I'm standing pat.

 
I targeted and got Vick as my qb1 in all three leagues I'm in. I played the matchups a bit, and thereby missed his 4 td game two weeks ago against what seemed to be a "bad" matchup vs. the Steelers while some other guys had "easy" games - well they went for 2 tds each.

No more, Vick plays for me until he's declared dead. It's why I drafted him.

I don't know why you'd view him as more of an injury risk than other qbs. He doesn't seem to take many hard hits because of his athleticism/mobility. I mean unless you've got Favre or Manning (who may very well be sitting again during part or all of the FF playoffs), what paragon of injury averseness are you comparing him to? Marc Bulger?

 
I drafted Vick at extreme value in my 12 team auction league. You could almost hear crickets...it's as if I was bidding against myself :tumbleweed: . Anyway, I drafted Vick followed by Brooks and Culpepper. Thank God I held onto Vick. Brooks and C-Pep have since been waiver fodder.

Vick has been in my starting lineup from the get go. He's not just a qb, he's a rb. If his arm ain't gettin' it done, then he turns to his feet. The fact that the guy will more than likely get you 50+ rushing yards with 150 passing yards and a TD or 3 sprinkled in is worth the risk.

I did lose the week of his Saints debacle, but as it stands now I have the best record in the league and have Grossman sitting behind him. With the weather coming up in Chicago, Vick's gonna be my man from here on out.

GO VICK GO!

 
Ivanhoe said:
Sell him highGet a good wr or rb for him.There is no way he will continue what he did the last 2 games.he has what? 5? crappy games and 2 great games.sell high.
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You are joking right? Vick had two 100+ rushing yard games prior to the past two games. Does your league score points for rushing yards? In my league, the 496 rushing yards that Vick has is equivalent to ten passing TDs. That means he has the equivalent of 22 TDs in seven games; an average of 3 per game. That is well ahead of your two guys unless you have a funny scoring system.
 
Why so skeptical? Vick is the #3 QB right now. He has always been in the top 10 year in and year out (except when hurt).

He is in the 3rd year of the WCO.

Keep Vick and smile!!!

He'll end up #2 behind Manning without injury!

 
Ivanhoe said:
Sell him highGet a good wr or rb for him.There is no way he will continue what he did the last 2 games.he has what? 5? crappy games and 2 great games.sell high.
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5 crappy games? He has scored no less than 14 points to date.
 
My approach to all my players is see what the market value is and then decide if you would rather have the player or what the market will bear.

If your team has issues at other positions and you have a solid backup QB then I would shop Vick and see what he'll get you. You may get an offer you can't refuse. If not then stick with him.

If you are solid at all positions and don't have a definite need then why not see hwat he can do for you the rest of the way? He looks pretty solid to me, but I understand that that can change quickly as well.

All in all I think he has started to make a turn for the better. The fact that they are getting him out of the pocket and freezing the DB and LBs has created a ton of holes in the secondary. The most amazing thing though is that he is throwing with some touch and dropping balls into the open spots for his WRs.

I'm glad he got hot now when I have to start him on McNabb's bye week.

 
I answer "Yes to:

smcindoe said:
- You drafted Vick as a "value" QB1 with big upside in the mid- to late-rounds

- You picked up a solid QB2/3 because Vick scares you. I could.

- You've seen him suddenly become a stud passer(!) over the past two weeks

I can't help but feel like I drafted him as lottery ticket, the ticket has turned into a winner, and now Idon't have the nerve to cash it in.
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Cashing it in means playing him. At this point, every week. He's not as up/down as some people think.

His bad games are normally on the road, off turf. A tough D for him is different than one for most QB's.

I'd recommend trying to get Crumpler.

 
I'm in a league that de-emphasizes running for QBs (only 1 pt/25 yards and all TDs are 6) and have to decide whether to start him or Kitna this week, playing against each other.

 
Ivanhoe said:
Sell him highGet a good wr or rb for him.There is no way he will continue what he did the last 2 games.he has what? 5? crappy games and 2 great games.sell high.
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I don't own Vick, but it took 30 seconds and 3 mouse clicks to find out that in my league Vick is the 3rd highest scoring QB, and his scores were 17, 26, 12, 17, 20, 27, 29. Week 3 was the only game he didn't score well under that scoring system.That said, posts similar to the quote above lead me to believe you probably won't get equal vaule in a trade for Vick. Too many haters. Suggest hanging on for the ride, he should produce well this week against the Lions . :thumbup:
 
Texican said:
Let him continue to score a lot of points for your team :shrug:
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:goodposting:There is no decision to be made here unless you have Manning on your roster... but even then, the thing to do would be to trade Manning, not Vick, since he'd bring higher value. Don't overthink this.
 
You said:
I'm in a league that de-emphasizes running for QBs (only 1 pt/25 yards and all TDs are 6) and have to decide whether to start him or Kitna this week, playing against each other.
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Does your league give points for going over 100 yards rushing? Vick has done it twice.
 
Only after he as drafted has his value been higher.

I'll trade him RIGHT NOW but only for someone good. I'll ride him another few weeks if need to too.

In this league of yards per rush, 6 points for rushing TD vs 4 for passing and 3 points bonus for 50 yards rushing Vick is pure GOLD

 
Top 5 QB in most leagues now. Keep hating on him baby! Vick has helped me to a 8-0 so far.

These guys that hate on him for his lack of passing skills in a fantasy forum are beyond a joke.

 
I'm also a Vick/Bulger owner.....there seems to be a lot of us out there! I'm going with Vick this week against an LJ owner....I really feel like I"m rolling the dice.....BUT I think in a dome on turf Detroit will have no chance! (I hope :bag: )!

 
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