Only Black Students Allowed on Field Trips (1 Viewer)

[Ramblin Wreck]

You don't find something inherently wrong with creating an exclusionary grouping of children at such an early age?

BTW--Now imagine the outrage if such a trip for white students only existed. Rightfully so, I might add, but if for black students only, it is somehow OK? Double standard much?

White kids don't need to be encouraged to think about going to college, black kids do and a look at the percentages of white/black college enrollees will verify that. The school district recognized this issue needed to be addressed and specifically hired this guy to develop a program or programs to help the kids who need it the most. If an equal percentage per population of whites/blacks attended college, then it would be unnecessary.

No he was hired to help black kids; not kids who need it the most.

One and the same. If you think white kids need as much help being encouraged to go to college, I would suggest you contact the school district and set them straight.

Some white kids need it more than some black kids. Some black kids need it more than white kids. Your statement was 100% false and it's not one in the same.

Check out the percentages of white kids who go to college versus black kids who go to college. The fact there is a small percentage that would be the exception, doesn't change the fact of which group needs it more.

You've changed your own rules about 10 times in this thread. It's about time you just admit forming a group for a field trip based on skin color alone is racist and stupid.

 

[Ilov80s]

You don't find something inherently wrong with creating an exclusionary grouping of children at such an early age?

BTW--Now imagine the outrage if such a trip for white students only existed. Rightfully so, I might add, but if for black students only, it is somehow OK? Double standard much?

White kids don't need to be encouraged to think about going to college, black kids do and a look at the percentages of white/black college enrollees will verify that. The school district recognized this issue needed to be addressed and specifically hired this guy to develop a program or programs to help the kids who need it the most. If an equal percentage per population of whites/blacks attended college, then it would be unnecessary.

No he was hired to help black kids; not kids who need it the most.

One and the same. If you think white kids need as much help being encouragged to go to college, I would suggest you contact the school district and set them straight.

So I think there is nothing wrong with a program like this, but it does zero good, if they do not have supportive parents.

Zero good?

The efforts of parents are important, but clearly there is more to it than that.

 

[Ilov80s]

You don't find something inherently wrong with creating an exclusionary grouping of children at such an early age?

BTW--Now imagine the outrage if such a trip for white students only existed. Rightfully so, I might add, but if for black students only, it is somehow OK? Double standard much?

White kids don't need to be encouraged to think about going to college, black kids do and a look at the percentages of white/black college enrollees will verify that. The school district recognized this issue needed to be addressed and specifically hired this guy to develop a program or programs to help the kids who need it the most. If an equal percentage per population of whites/blacks attended college, then it would be unnecessary.

No he was hired to help black kids; not kids who need it the most.

One and the same. If you think white kids need as much help being encouraged to go to college, I would suggest you contact the school district and set them straight.

Some white kids need it more than some black kids. Some black kids need it more than white kids. Your statement was 100% false and it's not one in the same.

Check out the percentages of white kids who go to college versus black kids who go to college. The fact there is a small percentage that would be the exception, doesn't change the fact of which group needs it more.

You've changed your own rules about 10 times in this thread. It's about time you just admit forming a group for a field trip based on skin color alone is racist and stupid.

I don't think it is ideal, but it is neither racist nor stupid.

 

[cstu]

The reason kids do not go to college begins and ends with parents.

In that case we should test the parents and if they don't pass muster we'll send their kids out work instead of going to school. It would be silly to waste money on them since they have zero chance of going to college.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

You don't find something inherently wrong with creating an exclusionary grouping of children at such an early age?

BTW--Now imagine the outrage if such a trip for white students only existed. Rightfully so, I might add, but if for black students only, it is somehow OK? Double standard much?

White kids don't need to be encouraged to think about going to college, black kids do and a look at the percentages of white/black college enrollees will verify that. The school district recognized this issue needed to be addressed and specifically hired this guy to develop a program or programs to help the kids who need it the most. If an equal percentage per population of whites/blacks attended college, then it would be unnecessary.

No he was hired to help black kids; not kids who need it the most.

One and the same. If you think white kids need as much help being encouraged to go to college, I would suggest you contact the school district and set them straight.

Some white kids need it more than some black kids. Some black kids need it more than white kids. Your statement was 100% false and it's not one in the same.

Check out the percentages of white kids who go to college versus black kids who go to college. The fact there is a small percentage that would be the exception, doesn't change the fact of which group needs it more.

You've changed your own rules about 10 times in this thread. It's about time you just admit forming a group for a field trip based on skin color alone is racist and stupid.

I don't think it is ideal, but it is neither racist nor stupid.

It's not racist to allow a group of students to go on a field trip based on skin color? If a white administrator set up a group for white kids only to go on a field trip, you and others would think nothing of it and be totally supportive?

And it's incredibly stupid that any adult thinks that is a good idea. If you're going to create a group instead of inviting everyone then do so based on "need" instead of skin color. Though I would love to hear someone define need for a 3rd grader.

 

[Christo]

You don't find something inherently wrong with creating an exclusionary grouping of children at such an early age?

BTW--Now imagine the outrage if such a trip for white students only existed. Rightfully so, I might add, but if for black students only, it is somehow OK? Double standard much?

White kids don't need to be encouraged to think about going to college, black kids do and a look at the percentages of white/black college enrollees will verify that. The school district recognized this issue needed to be addressed and specifically hired this guy to develop a program or programs to help the kids who need it the most. If an equal percentage per population of whites/blacks attended college, then it would be unnecessary.

No he was hired to help black kids; not kids who need it the most.

Sounds kind of racist to me.

 

[urbanhack]

Ethnic groups aren't inherently different?

If there can be physical differences/attributes, why can't there be mental differences?

Wow.

 

[Courtjester]

You don't find something inherently wrong with creating an exclusionary grouping of children at such an early age?

BTW--Now imagine the outrage if such a trip for white students only existed. Rightfully so, I might add, but if for black students only, it is somehow OK? Double standard much?

White kids don't need to be encouraged to think about going to college, black kids do and a look at the percentages of white/black college enrollees will verify that. The school district recognized this issue needed to be addressed and specifically hired this guy to develop a program or programs to help the kids who need it the most. If an equal percentage per population of whites/blacks attended college, then it would be unnecessary.

No he was hired to help black kids; not kids who need it the most.

One and the same. If you think white kids need as much help being encouragged to go to college, I would suggest you contact the school district and set them straight.

So I think there is nothing wrong with a program like this, but it does zero good, if they do not have supportive parents.

Zero good?

The efforts of parents are important, but clearly there is more to it than that.

Yeah, "zero" was the wrong word.

I will just say that IMO unless kids have support from parents, their chances of going to college are drastically reduced.

Some kids make it. My neighbor's kid is a perfect example. He is a really smart kid, good grades, but man, does he have terrible parents. Twice in the last two weeks, he was scheduled to go on college visits which meant he needed to be at the school 15 minutes early to catch a bus. They wouldn't take him. No reason, Just didn't want to get out of bed. He wants to run for student government which requires them to make campaign posters. Nope, parents won't spend a dime on him for the posters and they both have good jobs. My wife and I bought the stuff for him and he is coming over this afternoon to make them since my daughter is making her posters as well. His backstory is he is the youngest of three and his two older siblings are complete screw ups: legal problems, addiction, sister had two kids early on and so they just assume he will be a loser as well and they checked out on him.

 

[Ilov80s]

You don't find something inherently wrong with creating an exclusionary grouping of children at such an early age?

BTW--Now imagine the outrage if such a trip for white students only existed. Rightfully so, I might add, but if for black students only, it is somehow OK? Double standard much?

White kids don't need to be encouraged to think about going to college, black kids do and a look at the percentages of white/black college enrollees will verify that. The school district recognized this issue needed to be addressed and specifically hired this guy to develop a program or programs to help the kids who need it the most. If an equal percentage per population of whites/blacks attended college, then it would be unnecessary.

No he was hired to help black kids; not kids who need it the most.

One and the same. If you think white kids need as much help being encouraged to go to college, I would suggest you contact the school district and set them straight.

Some white kids need it more than some black kids. Some black kids need it more than white kids. Your statement was 100% false and it's not one in the same.

Check out the percentages of white kids who go to college versus black kids who go to college. The fact there is a small percentage that would be the exception, doesn't change the fact of which group needs it more.

You've changed your own rules about 10 times in this thread. It's about time you just admit forming a group for a field trip based on skin color alone is racist and stupid.

I don't think it is ideal, but it is neither racist nor stupid.

It's not racist to allow a group of students to go on a field trip based on skin color? If a white administrator set up a group for white kids only to go on a field trip, you and others would think nothing of it and be totally supportive?

And it's incredibly stupid that any adult thinks that is a good idea. If you're going to create a group instead of inviting everyone then do so based on "need" instead of skin color. Though I would love to hear someone define need for a 3rd grader.

1. I don't see anything that is implying any race is superior or inferior here.2. I think grouping by performance is better than by invariable quality. Just because that is better does not make this program stupid.

3. Third graders are developing expectations for themselves at that age. They go on field trips to all kinds of places to learn about people and places in the world (fire station, farms, factories, etc). If the hope is that most of them go college, why wouldn't we expose kids to college through a field trip?

 

[The Big Guy]

You don't find something inherently wrong with creating an exclusionary grouping of children at such an early age?

BTW--Now imagine the outrage if such a trip for white students only existed. Rightfully so, I might add, but if for black students only, it is somehow OK? Double standard much?

White kids don't need to be encouraged to think about going to college, black kids do and a look at the percentages of white/black college enrollees will verify that. The school district recognized this issue needed to be addressed and specifically hired this guy to develop a program or programs to help the kids who need it the most. If an equal percentage per population of whites/blacks attended college, then it would be unnecessary.

No he was hired to help black kids; not kids who need it the most.

One and the same. If you think white kids need as much help being encouraged to go to college, I would suggest you contact the school district and set them straight.

Some white kids need it more than some black kids. Some black kids need it more than white kids. Your statement was 100% false and it's not one in the same.

Check out the percentages of white kids who go to college versus black kids who go to college. The fact there is a small percentage that would be the exception, doesn't change the fact of which group needs it more.

So I took a shot and googled it and here is a link telling us that the difference is just 5%. So assuming this is a correct stat, how do you feel about the big need you speak of for the young black youths?

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/race-gap-narrows-in-college-enrollment-but-not-in-graduation/

Perhaps the college age kids should have that same trip, but this time to visit the workforce to see the difference completing college would be like for them? Is that better to help them graduate at a higher percentage?

 

[Short Corner]

You don't find something inherently wrong with creating an exclusionary grouping of children at such an early age?

BTW--Now imagine the outrage if such a trip for white students only existed. Rightfully so, I might add, but if for black students only, it is somehow OK? Double standard much?

White kids don't need to be encouraged to think about going to college, black kids do and a look at the percentages of white/black college enrollees will verify that. The school district recognized this issue needed to be addressed and specifically hired this guy to develop a program or programs to help the kids who need it the most. If an equal percentage per population of whites/blacks attended college, then it would be unnecessary.

No he was hired to help black kids; not kids who need it the most.

One and the same. If you think white kids need as much help being encouraged to go to college, I would suggest you contact the school district and set them straight.

Some white kids need it more than some black kids. Some black kids need it more than white kids. Your statement was 100% false and it's not one in the same.

Check out the percentages of white kids who go to college versus black kids who go to college. The fact there is a small percentage that would be the exception, doesn't change the fact of which group needs it more.

So I took a shot and googled it and here is a link telling us that the difference is just 5%. So assuming this is a correct stat, how do you feel about the big need you speak of for the young black youths?

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/race-gap-narrows-in-college-enrollment-but-not-in-graduation/

Perhaps the college age kids should have that same trip, but this time to visit the workforce to see the difference completing college would be like for them? Is that better to help them graduate at a higher percentage?

Reading comprehension down?

 

[Ilov80s]

You don't find something inherently wrong with creating an exclusionary grouping of children at such an early age?

BTW--Now imagine the outrage if such a trip for white students only existed. Rightfully so, I might add, but if for black students only, it is somehow OK? Double standard much?

White kids don't need to be encouraged to think about going to college, black kids do and a look at the percentages of white/black college enrollees will verify that. The school district recognized this issue needed to be addressed and specifically hired this guy to develop a program or programs to help the kids who need it the most. If an equal percentage per population of whites/blacks attended college, then it would be unnecessary.

No he was hired to help black kids; not kids who need it the most.

One and the same. If you think white kids need as much help being encouraged to go to college, I would suggest you contact the school district and set them straight.

Some white kids need it more than some black kids. Some black kids need it more than white kids. Your statement was 100% false and it's not one in the same.

Check out the percentages of white kids who go to college versus black kids who go to college. The fact there is a small percentage that would be the exception, doesn't change the fact of which group needs it more.

So I took a shot and googled it and here is a link telling us that the difference is just 5%. So assuming this is a correct stat, how do you feel about the big need you speak of for the young black youths?http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/race-gap-narrows-in-college-enrollment-but-not-in-graduation/

Perhaps the college age kids should have that same trip, but this time to visit the workforce to see the difference completing college would be like for them? Is that better to help them graduate at a higher percentage?

That compares high school graduates and not total population. Black students have a 10%to 15% higher dropout rate.http://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/high-school-notes/2014/04/28/high-school-graduation-rates-reach-record

 

[The Big Guy]

You don't find something inherently wrong with creating an exclusionary grouping of children at such an early age?

BTW--Now imagine the outrage if such a trip for white students only existed. Rightfully so, I might add, but if for black students only, it is somehow OK? Double standard much?

White kids don't need to be encouraged to think about going to college, black kids do and a look at the percentages of white/black college enrollees will verify that. The school district recognized this issue needed to be addressed and specifically hired this guy to develop a program or programs to help the kids who need it the most. If an equal percentage per population of whites/blacks attended college, then it would be unnecessary.

No he was hired to help black kids; not kids who need it the most.

One and the same. If you think white kids need as much help being encouraged to go to college, I would suggest you contact the school district and set them straight.

Some white kids need it more than some black kids. Some black kids need it more than white kids. Your statement was 100% false and it's not one in the same.

Check out the percentages of white kids who go to college versus black kids who go to college. The fact there is a small percentage that would be the exception, doesn't change the fact of which group needs it more.

So I took a shot and googled it and here is a link telling us that the difference is just 5%. So assuming this is a correct stat, how do you feel about the big need you speak of for the young black youths?http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/race-gap-narrows-in-college-enrollment-but-not-in-graduation/

Perhaps the college age kids should have that same trip, but this time to visit the workforce to see the difference completing college would be like for them? Is that better to help them graduate at a higher percentage?

That compares high school graduates and not total population. Black students have a 10%to 15% higher dropout rate.http://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/high-school-notes/2014/04/28/high-school-graduation-rates-reach-record

Well since college attendance is generally tied to graduating high school, I thought that would be a great place to start. Since this thread is not about why more black or hispanic children finish high school, then I just went with what we are talking about.

 

[Ilov80s]

That's a bizarre logic to me.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Do people get mad that only those on the football team get to play in games? This was part of a program for black students and isn't the only component of that program, correct?

 

[General Tso]

You don't find something inherently wrong with creating an exclusionary grouping of children at such an early age?

BTW--Now imagine the outrage if such a trip for white students only existed. Rightfully so, I might add, but if for black students only, it is somehow OK? Double standard much?

White kids don't need to be encouraged to think about going to college, black kids do and a look at the percentages of white/black college enrollees will verify that. The school district recognized this issue needed to be addressed and specifically hired this guy to develop a program or programs to help the kids who need it the most. If an equal percentage per population of whites/blacks attended college, then it would be unnecessary.

No he was hired to help black kids; not kids who need it the most.

One and the same. If you think white kids need as much help being encouraged to go to college, I would suggest you contact the school district and set them straight.

Some white kids need it more than some black kids. Some black kids need it more than white kids. Your statement was 100% false and it's not one in the same.

Check out the percentages of white kids who go to college versus black kids who go to college. The fact there is a small percentage that would be the exception, doesn't change the fact of which group needs it more.

So I took a shot and googled it and here is a link telling us that the difference is just 5%. So assuming this is a correct stat, how do you feel about the big need you speak of for the young black youths?http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/race-gap-narrows-in-college-enrollment-but-not-in-graduation/

Perhaps the college age kids should have that same trip, but this time to visit the workforce to see the difference completing college would be like for them? Is that better to help them graduate at a higher percentage?

Reading comprehension down?

Serious question - do you ever post anything that actually contributes to a discussion? It's always one line smart-### remarks or my personal favorite, the laughing emoticon.

 

[Short Corner]

You don't find something inherently wrong with creating an exclusionary grouping of children at such an early age?

BTW--Now imagine the outrage if such a trip for white students only existed. Rightfully so, I might add, but if for black students only, it is somehow OK? Double standard much?

White kids don't need to be encouraged to think about going to college, black kids do and a look at the percentages of white/black college enrollees will verify that. The school district recognized this issue needed to be addressed and specifically hired this guy to develop a program or programs to help the kids who need it the most. If an equal percentage per population of whites/blacks attended college, then it would be unnecessary.

No he was hired to help black kids; not kids who need it the most.

One and the same. If you think white kids need as much help being encouraged to go to college, I would suggest you contact the school district and set them straight.

Some white kids need it more than some black kids. Some black kids need it more than white kids. Your statement was 100% false and it's not one in the same.

Check out the percentages of white kids who go to college versus black kids who go to college. The fact there is a small percentage that would be the exception, doesn't change the fact of which group needs it more.

So I took a shot and googled it and here is a link telling us that the difference is just 5%. So assuming this is a correct stat, how do you feel about the big need you speak of for the young black youths?http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/race-gap-narrows-in-college-enrollment-but-not-in-graduation/

Perhaps the college age kids should have that same trip, but this time to visit the workforce to see the difference completing college would be like for them? Is that better to help them graduate at a higher percentage?

Reading comprehension down?

Serious question - do you ever post anything that actually contributes to a discussion? It's always one line smart-### remarks or my personal favorite, the laughing emoticon.

 

[Short Corner]

You don't find something inherently wrong with creating an exclusionary grouping of children at such an early age?

BTW--Now imagine the outrage if such a trip for white students only existed. Rightfully so, I might add, but if for black students only, it is somehow OK? Double standard much?

White kids don't need to be encouraged to think about going to college, black kids do and a look at the percentages of white/black college enrollees will verify that. The school district recognized this issue needed to be addressed and specifically hired this guy to develop a program or programs to help the kids who need it the most. If an equal percentage per population of whites/blacks attended college, then it would be unnecessary.

No he was hired to help black kids; not kids who need it the most.

One and the same. If you think white kids need as much help being encouraged to go to college, I would suggest you contact the school district and set them straight.

Some white kids need it more than some black kids. Some black kids need it more than white kids. Your statement was 100% false and it's not one in the same.

Check out the percentages of white kids who go to college versus black kids who go to college. The fact there is a small percentage that would be the exception, doesn't change the fact of which group needs it more.

So I took a shot and googled it and here is a link telling us that the difference is just 5%. So assuming this is a correct stat, how do you feel about the big need you speak of for the young black youths?http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/race-gap-narrows-in-college-enrollment-but-not-in-graduation/

Perhaps the college age kids should have that same trip, but this time to visit the workforce to see the difference completing college would be like for them? Is that better to help them graduate at a higher percentage?

That compares high school graduates and not total population. Black students have a 10%to 15% higher dropout rate.http://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/high-school-notes/2014/04/28/high-school-graduation-rates-reach-record

Well since college attendance is generally tied to graduating high school, I thought that would be a great place to start. Since this thread is not about why more black or hispanic children finish high school, then I just went with what we are talking about.

The two events are dependent so it is a horrible place to start given the difference between the two populations.

 

[Christo]

Do people get mad that only those on the football team get to play in games? This was part of a program for black students and isn't the only component of that program, correct?

Anyone can try out for the football team.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Do people get mad that only those on the football team get to play in games? This was part of a program for black students and isn't the only component of that program, correct?

Anyone can try out for the football team.

Can anybody apply for scholarships from the united negro college fund?

 

[The Big Guy]

You don't find something inherently wrong with creating an exclusionary grouping of children at such an early age?

BTW--Now imagine the outrage if such a trip for white students only existed. Rightfully so, I might add, but if for black students only, it is somehow OK? Double standard much?

White kids don't need to be encouraged to think about going to college, black kids do and a look at the percentages of white/black college enrollees will verify that. The school district recognized this issue needed to be addressed and specifically hired this guy to develop a program or programs to help the kids who need it the most. If an equal percentage per population of whites/blacks attended college, then it would be unnecessary.

No he was hired to help black kids; not kids who need it the most.

One and the same. If you think white kids need as much help being encouraged to go to college, I would suggest you contact the school district and set them straight.

Some white kids need it more than some black kids. Some black kids need it more than white kids. Your statement was 100% false and it's not one in the same.

Check out the percentages of white kids who go to college versus black kids who go to college. The fact there is a small percentage that would be the exception, doesn't change the fact of which group needs it more.

So I took a shot and googled it and here is a link telling us that the difference is just 5%. So assuming this is a correct stat, how do you feel about the big need you speak of for the young black youths?http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/race-gap-narrows-in-college-enrollment-but-not-in-graduation/

Perhaps the college age kids should have that same trip, but this time to visit the workforce to see the difference completing college would be like for them? Is that better to help them graduate at a higher percentage?

That compares high school graduates and not total population. Black students have a 10%to 15% higher dropout rate.http://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/high-school-notes/2014/04/28/high-school-graduation-rates-reach-record

Well since college attendance is generally tied to graduating high school, I thought that would be a great place to start. Since this thread is not about why more black or hispanic children finish high school, then I just went with what we are talking about.

The two events are dependent so it is a horrible place to start given the difference between the two populations.

Where is this fantasy white-topia land that you see? Maybe you should go outside of the inner cities and visit the rural areas of this country and see all of the meth infected trailer parks. I bet that college and even high school graduation rates will be comparable to the inner city. Here is a hint, not all white people are well to do and complete nuclear families.

But again, this topic is all about trying to motivate a specific group of people to learn about the benefits of college and not allowing others in. Why did the hispanic children not get invited or allowed to go when their troubles are just as famous?

 

[Short Corner]

No he was hired to help black kids; not kids who need it the most.

One and the same. If you think white kids need as much help being encouraged to go to college, I would suggest you contact the school district and set them straight.

Some white kids need it more than some black kids. Some black kids need it more than white kids. Your statement was 100% false and it's not one in the same.

Check out the percentages of white kids who go to college versus black kids who go to college. The fact there is a small percentage that would be the exception, doesn't change the fact of which group needs it more.

So I took a shot and googled it and here is a link telling us that the difference is just 5%. So assuming this is a correct stat, how do you feel about the big need you speak of for the young black youths?http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/race-gap-narrows-in-college-enrollment-but-not-in-graduation/

Perhaps the college age kids should have that same trip, but this time to visit the workforce to see the difference completing college would be like for them? Is that better to help them graduate at a higher percentage?

That compares high school graduates and not total population. Black students have a 10%to 15% higher dropout rate.http://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/high-school-notes/2014/04/28/high-school-graduation-rates-reach-record

Well since college attendance is generally tied to graduating high school, I thought that would be a great place to start. Since this thread is not about why more black or hispanic children finish high school, then I just went with what we are talking about.

The two events are dependent so it is a horrible place to start given the difference between the two populations.

Where is this fantasy white-topia land that you see? Maybe you should go outside of the inner cities and visit the rural areas of this country and see all of the meth infected trailer parks. I bet that college and even high school graduation rates will be comparable to the inner city. Here is a hint, not all white people are well to do and complete nuclear families.

But again, this topic is all about trying to motivate a specific group of people to learn about the benefits of college and not allowing others in. Why did the hispanic children not get invited or allowed to go when their troubles are just as famous?

All I did was point out how horrible your reasoning was Chief. Where did I make any claim of a white-topia?

 

[The Big Guy]

Some white kids need it more than some black kids. Some black kids need it more than white kids. Your statement was 100% false and it's not one in the same.

Check out the percentages of white kids who go to college versus black kids who go to college. The fact there is a small percentage that would be the exception, doesn't change the fact of which group needs it more.

So I took a shot and googled it and here is a link telling us that the difference is just 5%. So assuming this is a correct stat, how do you feel about the big need you speak of for the young black youths?http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/race-gap-narrows-in-college-enrollment-but-not-in-graduation/

Perhaps the college age kids should have that same trip, but this time to visit the workforce to see the difference completing college would be like for them? Is that better to help them graduate at a higher percentage?

That compares high school graduates and not total population. Black students have a 10%to 15% higher dropout rate.http://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/high-school-notes/2014/04/28/high-school-graduation-rates-reach-record

Well since college attendance is generally tied to graduating high school, I thought that would be a great place to start. Since this thread is not about why more black or hispanic children finish high school, then I just went with what we are talking about.

The two events are dependent so it is a horrible place to start given the difference between the two populations.

Where is this fantasy white-topia land that you see? Maybe you should go outside of the inner cities and visit the rural areas of this country and see all of the meth infected trailer parks. I bet that college and even high school graduation rates will be comparable to the inner city. Here is a hint, not all white people are well to do and complete nuclear families.

But again, this topic is all about trying to motivate a specific group of people to learn about the benefits of college and not allowing others in. Why did the hispanic children not get invited or allowed to go when their troubles are just as famous?

All I did was point out how horrible your reasoning was Chief. Where did I make any claim of a white-topia?

OK then enlighten me sparky, what did you mean when you talk about the difference between the two populations?

 

[Ilov80s]

Rural students are less likeky to attend college, but what does that have to do with South Bend schools? It's a city of 100,000 people. It doesn't sound rural to me.

 

[Short Corner]

://fivethirtyeight.com/features/race-gap-narrows-in-college-enrollment-but-not-in-graduation/ took a shot and googled it and here is a link telling us that the difference is just 5%. So assuming this is a correct stat, how do you feel about the big need you speak of for the young black youths?Perhaps the college age kids should have that same trip, but this time to visit the workforce to see the difference completing college would be like for them? Is that better to help them graduate at a higher percentage?

That compares high school graduates and not total population. Black students have a 10%to 15% higher dropout rate.http://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/high-school-notes/2014/04/28/high-school-graduation-rates-reach-record

Well since college attendance is generally tied to graduating high school, I thought that would be a great place to start. Since this thread is not about why more black or hispanic children finish high school, then I just went with what we are talking about.

The two events are dependent so it is a horrible place to start given the difference between the two populations.

Where is this fantasy white-topia land that you see? Maybe you should go outside of the inner cities and visit the rural areas of this country and see all of the meth infected trailer parks. I bet that college and even high school graduation rates will be comparable to the inner city. Here is a hint, not all white people are well to do and complete nuclear families.

But again, this topic is all about trying to motivate a specific group of people to learn about the benefits of college and not allowing others in. Why did the hispanic children not get invited or allowed to go when their troubles are just as famous?

All I did was point out how horrible your reasoning was Chief. Where did I make any claim of a white-topia?

OK then enlighten me sparky, what did you mean when you talk about the difference between the two populations?

The difference in HS graduation rates.

 

[Christo]

Do people get mad that only those on the football team get to play in games? This was part of a program for black students and isn't the only component of that program, correct?

Anyone can try out for the football team.

Can anybody apply for scholarships from the united negro college fund?

I don't know. Why don't you google it?

Whatever the answer, how is that question relevant to this situation?

 

[The Big Guy]

://fivethirtyeight.com/features/race-gap-narrows-in-college-enrollment-but-not-in-graduation/ took a shot and googled it and here is a link telling us that the difference is just 5%. So assuming this is a correct stat, how do you feel about the big need you speak of for the young black youths?Perhaps the college age kids should have that same trip, but this time to visit the workforce to see the difference completing college would be like for them? Is that better to help them graduate at a higher percentage?

That compares high school graduates and not total population. Black students have a 10%to 15% higher dropout rate.http://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/high-school-notes/2014/04/28/high-school-graduation-rates-reach-record

Well since college attendance is generally tied to graduating high school, I thought that would be a great place to start. Since this thread is not about why more black or hispanic children finish high school, then I just went with what we are talking about.

The two events are dependent so it is a horrible place to start given the difference between the two populations.

Where is this fantasy white-topia land that you see? Maybe you should go outside of the inner cities and visit the rural areas of this country and see all of the meth infected trailer parks. I bet that college and even high school graduation rates will be comparable to the inner city. Here is a hint, not all white people are well to do and complete nuclear families.

But again, this topic is all about trying to motivate a specific group of people to learn about the benefits of college and not allowing others in. Why did the hispanic children not get invited or allowed to go when their troubles are just as famous?

All I did was point out how horrible your reasoning was Chief. Where did I make any claim of a white-topia?

OK then enlighten me sparky, what did you mean when you talk about the difference between the two populations?

The difference in HS graduation rates.

You can also talk about the number of black student who do go to college but still need remedial courses. But these facts have nothing to do with excluding people from a field trip based on race.

 

[Short Corner]

You can also talk about the number of black student who do go to college but still need remedial courses.

Knock yourself out.

 

[cstu]

Where is this fantasy white-topia land that you see? Maybe you should go outside of the inner cities and visit the rural areas of this country and see all of the meth infected trailer parks. I bet that college and even high school graduation rates will be comparable to the inner city. Here is a hint, not all white people are well to do and complete nuclear families.

I grew up just as poor as most poor black kids. However, what I had going for me is that I wasn't a part of an anti-intellectual culture and when I saw images of people in college there were always people there that looked like me.

Every kid from a disadvantaged background needs help, but the needs aren't the same.

 

[The Big Guy]

Where is this fantasy white-topia land that you see? Maybe you should go outside of the inner cities and visit the rural areas of this country and see all of the meth infected trailer parks. I bet that college and even high school graduation rates will be comparable to the inner city. Here is a hint, not all white people are well to do and complete nuclear families.

I grew up just as poor as most poor black kids. However, what I had going for me is that I wasn't a part of an anti-intellectual culture and when I saw images of people in college there were always people there that looked like me.

Every kid from a disadvantaged background needs help, but the needs aren't the same.

Wow..anti-intellectual culture? If that is true then maybe we should stop promoting college and trying to ruin the thug life culture that has taken over.

 

[cstu]

Where is this fantasy white-topia land that you see? Maybe you should go outside of the inner cities and visit the rural areas of this country and see all of the meth infected trailer parks. I bet that college and even high school graduation rates will be comparable to the inner city. Here is a hint, not all white people are well to do and complete nuclear families.

I grew up just as poor as most poor black kids. However, what I had going for me is that I wasn't a part of an anti-intellectual culture and when I saw images of people in college there were always people there that looked like me.

Every kid from a disadvantaged background needs help, but the needs aren't the same.

Wow..anti-intellectual culture? If that is true then maybe we should stop promoting college and trying to ruin the thug life culture that has taken over.

John Ridley wrote an essay for Esquire in 2006 called “The Manifesto of Ascendancy for the Modern American ######.” Ridley won an Oscar for Best Adapted Screenplay for 12 Years A Slave.

From the essay:

“It’s time for ascended blacks to wish ######s good luck. Just as whites may be concerned with the good of all citizens but don’t travel their days worrying specifically about the well-being of hillbillies from Appalachia, we need to send ######s on their way. We need to start extolling the most virtuous of ourselves. It is time to celebrate the New Black Americans … “



“Our preservation is too essential to be stunted by those unwilling to advance. As long as we remain committed to holding high our individuals of supreme finish, others will be inspired to loose themselves of the gravity of the waywards and downtroddens.”

 

[The Big Guy]

Where is this fantasy white-topia land that you see? Maybe you should go outside of the inner cities and visit the rural areas of this country and see all of the meth infected trailer parks. I bet that college and even high school graduation rates will be comparable to the inner city. Here is a hint, not all white people are well to do and complete nuclear families.

I grew up just as poor as most poor black kids. However, what I had going for me is that I wasn't a part of an anti-intellectual culture and when I saw images of people in college there were always people there that looked like me.

Every kid from a disadvantaged background needs help, but the needs aren't the same.

Wow..anti-intellectual culture? If that is true then maybe we should stop promoting college and trying to ruin the thug life culture that has taken over.

John Ridley wrote an essay for Esquire in 2006 called “The Manifesto of Ascendancy for the Modern American ######.” Ridley won an Oscar for Best Adapted Screenplay for 12 Years A Slave.

From the essay:

“It’s time for ascended blacks to wish ######s good luck. Just as whites may be concerned with the good of all citizens but don’t travel their days worrying specifically about the well-being of hillbillies from Appalachia, we need to send ######s on their way. We need to start extolling the most virtuous of ourselves. It is time to celebrate the New Black Americans … “



“Our preservation is too essential to be stunted by those unwilling to advance. As long as we remain committed to holding high our individuals of supreme finish, others will be inspired to loose themselves of the gravity of the waywards and downtroddens.”

Strangely I agree with the thought. There are going to be subcultures and groups who do not buy in to the way of life that most people in America would consider normal. Dragging them in kicking and screaming is not the solution.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

I have a daughter in third grade. I don't really see any benefit she would get from going on field trips to community colleges.

 

[General Tso]

Where is this fantasy white-topia land that you see? Maybe you should go outside of the inner cities and visit the rural areas of this country and see all of the meth infected trailer parks. I bet that college and even high school graduation rates will be comparable to the inner city. Here is a hint, not all white people are well to do and complete nuclear families.

I grew up just as poor as most poor black kids. However, what I had going for me is that I wasn't a part of an anti-intellectual culture and when I saw images of people in college there were always people there that looked like me.

Every kid from a disadvantaged background needs help, but the needs aren't the same.

Wow..anti-intellectual culture? If that is true then maybe we should stop promoting college and trying to ruin the thug life culture that has taken over.

John Ridley wrote an essay for Esquire in 2006 called “The Manifesto of Ascendancy for the Modern American ######.” Ridley won an Oscar for Best Adapted Screenplay for 12 Years A Slave.

From the essay:

“It’s time for ascended blacks to wish ######s good luck. Just as whites may be concerned with the good of all citizens but don’t travel their days worrying specifically about the well-being of hillbillies from Appalachia, we need to send ######s on their way. We need to start extolling the most virtuous of ourselves. It is time to celebrate the New Black Americans … “

“Our preservation is too essential to be stunted by those unwilling to advance. As long as we remain committed to holding high our individuals of supreme finish, others will be inspired to loose themselves of the gravity of the waywards and downtroddens.”

Thanks for posting that cstu. Very provocative piece.

 

[Apple Jack]

If you nest four or more quotes in a post, you are likely in need of a special field trip too.

 

[cstu]

I have a daughter in third grade. I don't really see any benefit she would get from going on field trips to community colleges.

Obviously, you're FBG.

 

[PatsWillWin]

I think they should have just planned something for the white students too.

Send the black kids to check out a college and throw a square dance for the rest of the kids at the school.

Everyones happy.

If the idea is to inspire students who aren't performing well, how about organizing a college fried trip for students who aren't performing well regardless of what race they are?

I mean, it's pretty safe to assume there's some white kids performing poorly who are being left out of this opportunity to be "inspired." Why? Because the race they belong to tend to do better in school. So they get left out.

Then you surely have many highly performing black kids being sent on this trip as well. What kind of message are they getting? You are performing well, but we need to "inspire" you because after all, you're black.

I'm not going to get all faux outraged about this, it's not something I really care about, but I do think it sends a terrible message.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

It may be that people's impressions about this are shaped a lot by what their schools were like. I think a black-only trip to a college could have made sense in the schools where I grew up.

 

[whiskey7]

Where is this fantasy white-topia land that you see? Maybe you should go outside of the inner cities and visit the rural areas of this country and see all of the meth infected trailer parks. I bet that college and even high school graduation rates will be comparable to the inner city. Here is a hint, not all white people are well to do and complete nuclear families.

I grew up just as poor as most poor black kids. However, what I had going for me is that I wasn't a part of an anti-intellectual culture and when I saw images of people in college there were always people there that looked like me.

Every kid from a disadvantaged background needs help, but the needs aren't the same.

Wow..anti-intellectual culture? If that is true then maybe we should stop promoting college and trying to ruin the thug life culture that has taken over.

"If you black, you get more respect coming out of jail than school. If you come out of jail, you the ####### man. You come out of school and nobody gives a ####."-Chris Rock

 

[Chadstroma]

I have a daughter in third grade. I don't really see any benefit she would get from going on field trips to community colleges.

Inspiration?

A lot of kids don't think that college is a possibility.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

I have a daughter in third grade. I don't really see any benefit she would get from going on field trips to community colleges.

Inspiration?A lot of kids don't think that college is a possibility.

I know that. My kids are not in that group. If anything, I think they would be surprised to learn that lots of people don't go to college. Pretty much every adult they interact with is a college graduate. They've been assuming they'd be going to college since they were old enough to know what college was.

 

[Loan Sharks]

I have a daughter in third grade. I don't really see any benefit she would get from going on field trips to community colleges.

Inspiration?

A lot of kids don't think that college is a possibility.

Well the world needs ditch diggers too.

 

[Sinn Fein]

I have a daughter in third grade. I don't really see any benefit she would get from going on field trips to community colleges.

Inspiration?

A lot of kids don't think that college is a possibility.

Well the world needs ditch diggers too.

Illegal immigrants down?

 

[cstu]

I have a daughter in third grade. I don't really see any benefit she would get from going on field trips to community colleges.

Inspiration?A lot of kids don't think that college is a possibility.

I know that. My kids are not in that group. If anything, I think they would be surprised to learn that lots of people don't go to college. Pretty much every adult they interact with is a college graduate. They've been assuming they'd be going to college since they were old enough to know what college was.

My daughter is 6 and talks constantly about being a baby doctor, went to preschool at UCLA and since we drive through the campus every day she assumes she'll go there when she grows up.

Other kids aren't so lucky.

 

[Chadstroma]

I think that is the whole 'problem' with this.... yes, there are plenty of kids period that could potentially benefit from a trip like this. There is no reason to make it about race but about open opportunity for everyone. If we approach it like that, it kind of actually helps all around- not just about going to college but about changing attitudes, perceptions and prejudices regarding minorities.

Again, we will never make any real progress in having people treated the same regardless of their background by treating them differently due to their background. The only real basis to treat a kid differently is based on their socio-economics and not their race. Kids from higher socio-economics have more support, more resources and most importantly more contacts to succeed. There are poor kids stuck in a bad socio-economic situation from all sorts of background.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

I think that is the whole 'problem' with this.... yes, there are plenty of kids period that could potentially benefit from a trip like this. There is no reason to make it about race but about open opportunity for everyone. If we approach it like that, it kind of actually helps all around- not just about going to college but about changing attitudes, perceptions and prejudices regarding minorities.

Again, we will never make any real progress in having people treated the same regardless of their background by treating them differently due to their background. The only real basis to treat a kid differently is based on their socio-economics and not their race. Kids from higher socio-economics have more support, more resources and most importantly more contacts to succeed. There are poor kids stuck in a bad socio-economic situation from all sorts of background.

Can you imagine any problem with a field trip that is only for kids that are poor and disadvantaged?

 

[Chadstroma]

I think that is the whole 'problem' with this.... yes, there are plenty of kids period that could potentially benefit from a trip like this. There is no reason to make it about race but about open opportunity for everyone. If we approach it like that, it kind of actually helps all around- not just about going to college but about changing attitudes, perceptions and prejudices regarding minorities.

Again, we will never make any real progress in having people treated the same regardless of their background by treating them differently due to their background. The only real basis to treat a kid differently is based on their socio-economics and not their race. Kids from higher socio-economics have more support, more resources and most importantly more contacts to succeed. There are poor kids stuck in a bad socio-economic situation from all sorts of background.

Can you imagine any problem with a field trip that is only for kids that are poor and disadvantaged?

I am not sure I am understanding the question.

 

[jonessed]

I have a daughter in third grade. I don't really see any benefit she would get from going on field trips to community colleges.

Inspiration?A lot of kids don't think that college is a possibility.

I know that. My kids are not in that group. If anything, I think they would be surprised to learn that lots of people don't go to college. Pretty much every adult they interact with is a college graduate. They've been assuming they'd be going to college since they were old enough to know what college was.

My daughter is 6 and talks constantly about being a baby doctor, went to preschool at UCLA and since we drive through the campus every day she assumes she'll go there when she grows up.

Other kids aren't so lucky.

Only if they're black though. #### the other disadvantaged kids.

 

[cstu]

Only if they're black though. #### the other disadvantaged kids.

Everyone should get special treatment.