Only Black Students Allowed on Field Trips (1 Viewer)

[Eminence]

Bottom line...regardless of backlash or current PC or whatever...

Schools should no better.

You do something like this and you are going to catch hell.

Write on brother!

Got em!

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Bottom line...regardless of backlash or current PC or whatever...

Schools should no better.

You do something like this and you are going to catch hell.

Write on brother!

COLD BUSTED

 

[cstu]

Some of you will go to any length to pretend like life is the same for everyone as it is for white folks in this country. What a joke that is.

And some of you would go to any length to isolate black folks for the population.

They only way you can support a program like this is if you believe that some people are inferior based on the the color of their skin and need an advantage. The son of the black lawyer is going to be going to college at just about the same rate as the son of the white lawyer. Would have been much easier to base this trip on test scores or free school lunch participation.

Advantage? It's freaking field trip to introduce the kids to others like them who are getting an education.

While the school setting was the wrong place to organize this, black kids do lack academic role models and a program like this is a very good thing for them.

Yes, the son of a black lawyer will likely go to college but what about the son of a single mom with five kids who dropped out of high school?

 

[Loan Sharks]

Some of you will go to any length to pretend like life is the same for everyone as it is for white folks in this country. What a joke that is.

And some of you would go to any length to isolate black folks for the population.

They only way you can support a program like this is if you believe that some people are inferior based on the the color of their skin and need an advantage. The son of the black lawyer is going to be going to college at just about the same rate as the son of the white lawyer. Would have been much easier to base this trip on test scores or free school lunch participation.

Advantage? It's freaking field trip to introduce the kids to others like them who are getting an education.

but what about the son of a single mom with five kids who dropped out of high school?

If she's white I guess her son isn't going on a college field trip, but hey they have a ho dropout for a mom but she is white so they are college bound anyway.

If a kid is mixed does he at least get to go to half of the field trip?

 

[cstu]

Advantage? It's freaking field trip to introduce the kids to others like them who are getting an education.

but what about the son of a single mom with five kids who dropped out of high school?

If she's white I guess her son isn't going on a college field trip, but hey they have a ho dropout for a mom but she is white so they are college bound anyway.

If a kid is mixed does he at least get to go to half of the field trip?

As someone who came from a non-college educated family and never had college pushed on me I still always felt college was an option - I saw white people on TV all the time going to college.

When many black kids with a similar background to mine think of college they don't picture themselves there. That's all this field trip was meant to change.

I do support field trips to colleges where everyone gets to go, however this was different because someone was sponsoring the trip.

 

[rockaction]

Advantage? It's freaking field trip to introduce the kids to others like them who are getting an education.

but what about the son of a single mom with five kids who dropped out of high school?

If she's white I guess her son isn't going on a college field trip, but hey they have a ho dropout for a mom but she is white so they are college bound anyway.

If a kid is mixed does he at least get to go to half of the field trip?

As someone who came from a non-college educated family and never had college pushed on me I still always felt college was an option - I saw white people on TV all the time going to college.

When many black kids with a similar background to mine think of college they don't picture themselves there. That's all this field trip was meant to change.

I do support field trips to colleges where everyone gets to go, however this was different because someone was sponsoring the trip.

You can go to a local community college without white people, too!

No excuse for this. This is horsebleep identity stuff. You can sniff it from miles away like cow manure.

 

[rockaction]

And…Alyssa Marino is on the case again, just like she was for Memories Pizza. Hmm...

 

[cstu]

You can go to a local community college without white people, too!

No excuse for this. This is horsebleep identity stuff. You can sniff it from miles away like cow manure.

What is 'identity' stuff?

I've often said that black America has a cultural problem (many places not far removed from Idiocracy). That is not magically going to change and programs like this are necessary to show them that the culture they see around them is not the only way to live.

 

[rockaction]

You can go to a local community college without white people, too!

No excuse for this. This is horsebleep identity stuff. You can sniff it from miles away like cow manure.

What is 'identity' stuff?

I've often said that black America has a cultural problem (many places not far removed from Idiocracy). That is not magically going to change and programs like this are necessary to show them that the culture they see around them is not the only way to live.

I've seen you comment, so I don't doubt your sincerity. That said, the identity comes from a closed-off and racially identifiable and selective -- hence identity -- field trip to community colleges. It also seems like the guy wearing a modern dashiki like Dr. G. something Ross isn't someone I'm taking at face value for racial politics.

I'd love to hear about his doctorate and his policies, too. I'm sure they'll turn up, um, white as snow.

 

[Apple Jack]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qg48ZZ2wYfM

 

[Steeler]

I think the school had their hearts in the right place, but it sends a bad message (to all the students, especially the black ones). I think when schools put in special programs they shouldn't target groups based on qualities (race, gender, disability) but instead on results (poor test scores, low attendance, lack of engagement).

I don't disagree with you. But when the program for kids with those results is all black kids, how quickly will people scream racism?

If a program is based on test scores, etc. (anything non race based) and someone sees racism due to the ethnicity of the participants, then they are the problem. As a society, we need to stop seeing racism everywhere and start calling out people who inject it where it doesn't belong.

We also need to work towards ending programs/views/etc. that are based on race and this program does exactly the opposite of that. I think the former problem (the penchant for inserting racism where it doesn't belong) leads to so many people having a problem with this particular program.

 

[Chadstroma]

I have never understood the liberal line of thinking that goes a little something like this....

Everyone should be treated the same regardless of grouping. Everyone is not treated the same based on their grouping. So, in order to get everyone treated the same we are going to treat people differently based on their grouping.

 

[Sinn Fein]

I don't have a problem with it.

But, if they had thought this through more carefully - it would have been better for all students to see successful black college students and professionals. Its not just young black kids who would benefit from seeing/hearing from successful black men and women.

 

[Christo]

I have never understood the liberal line of thinking that goes a little something like this....

Everyone should be treated the same regardless of grouping. Everyone is not treated the same based on their grouping. So, in order to get everyone treated the same we are going to treat people differently based on their grouping.

It goes along with the meme that's been floating around for a few years that black people can't be racist. Oh, yeah? A black person has the inability to be racist? How racist of you.

 

[Sinn Fein]

I have never understood the liberal line of thinking that goes a little something like this....

Everyone should be treated the same regardless of grouping. Everyone is not treated the same based on their grouping. So, in order to get everyone treated the same we are going to treat people differently based on their grouping.

Its thinking for the long-term, not the short-term.

 

[Christo]

I have never understood the liberal line of thinking that goes a little something like this....

Everyone should be treated the same regardless of grouping. Everyone is not treated the same based on their grouping. So, in order to get everyone treated the same we are going to treat people differently based on their grouping.

Its thinking for the long-term, not the short-term.

No, it's not.

 

[Sinn Fein]

I think the school had their hearts in the right place, but it sends a bad message (to all the students, especially the black ones). I think when schools put in special programs they shouldn't target groups based on qualities (race, gender, disability) but instead on results (poor test scores, low attendance, lack of engagement).

I don't disagree with you. But when the program for kids with those results is all black kids, how quickly will people scream racism?

If a program is based on test scores, etc. (anything non race based) and someone sees racism due to the ethnicity of the participants, then they are the problem. As a society, we need to stop seeing racism everywhere and start calling out people who inject it where it doesn't belong.

We also need to work towards ending programs/views/etc. that are based on race and this program does exactly the opposite of that. I think the former problem (the penchant for inserting racism where it doesn't belong) leads to so many people having a problem with this particular program.

Can't agree here.

One of the issues plaguing school districts around the country is a disparity in test scores between white and minority students. In our district, admission to the gifted and talented track is based primarily on standardized test scores, and blacks are significantly under-represented in the gifted and talented program. Does that mean they should lower standards for black students? I don't think so - but it does mean the district should examine why minority students are testing lower, and make efforts to improve that underlying cause - in fact that is why many schools get Title 1 funding.

In reality, success in school depends on many factors outside of the school - but I think we owe it to our communities to level the playing field when it comes to kids education. Kids can't help if they come from a broken home, or if they do not have parents who are involved in their education, etc. If the community does not step up and give those students (of all races and socio-economic backgrounds) the tools they need to succeed, then we are dooming another generation to the same cycle - and ultimately communities are better when everyone is lifted up, not when we see a widening gap between groups.

So if that means that minority, or other disadvantaged kids, get help that my kid does not get - I am ok with that.

 

[Sinn Fein]

I have never understood the liberal line of thinking that goes a little something like this....

Everyone should be treated the same regardless of grouping. Everyone is not treated the same based on their grouping. So, in order to get everyone treated the same we are going to treat people differently based on their grouping.

Its thinking for the long-term, not the short-term.

No, it's not.

 

[Treynwreck3]

What do the Hispanic kids get? A trip to the golf course to meet some groundskeepers?

 

[Christo]

I have never understood the liberal line of thinking that goes a little something like this....

Everyone should be treated the same regardless of grouping. Everyone is not treated the same based on their grouping. So, in order to get everyone treated the same we are going to treat people differently based on their grouping.

Its thinking for the long-term, not the short-term.

No, it's not.

It's an excuse not a solution.

 

[Sinn Fein]

I have never understood the liberal line of thinking that goes a little something like this....

Everyone should be treated the same regardless of grouping. Everyone is not treated the same based on their grouping. So, in order to get everyone treated the same we are going to treat people differently based on their grouping.

Its thinking for the long-term, not the short-term.

No, it's not.

It's an excuse not a solution.

 

[Steeler]

I think the school had their hearts in the right place, but it sends a bad message (to all the students, especially the black ones). I think when schools put in special programs they shouldn't target groups based on qualities (race, gender, disability) but instead on results (poor test scores, low attendance, lack of engagement).

I don't disagree with you. But when the program for kids with those results is all black kids, how quickly will people scream racism?

If a program is based on test scores, etc. (anything non race based) and someone sees racism due to the ethnicity of the participants, then they are the problem. As a society, we need to stop seeing racism everywhere and start calling out people who inject it where it doesn't belong.

We also need to work towards ending programs/views/etc. that are based on race and this program does exactly the opposite of that. I think the former problem (the penchant for inserting racism where it doesn't belong) leads to so many people having a problem with this particular program.

Can't agree here.

One of the issues plaguing school districts around the country is a disparity in test scores between white and minority students. In our district, admission to the gifted and talented track is based primarily on standardized test scores, and blacks are significantly under-represented in the gifted and talented program. Does that mean they should lower standards for black students? I don't think so - but it does mean the district should examine why minority students are testing lower, and make efforts to improve that underlying cause - in fact that is why many schools get Title 1 funding.

In reality, success in school depends on many factors outside of the school - but I think we owe it to our communities to level the playing field when it comes to kids education. Kids can't help if they come from a broken home, or if they do not have parents who are involved in their education, etc. If the community does not step up and give those students (of all races and socio-economic backgrounds) the tools they need to succeed, then we are dooming another generation to the same cycle - and ultimately communities are better when everyone is lifted up, not when we see a widening gap between groups.

So if that means that minority, or other disadvantaged kids, get help that my kid does not get - I am ok with that.

I hear what you are saying, but couldn't the same "lagging" students (or whatever the proper term) be identified by things other than race? I understand many gubment programs are based on race, etc. but I think that continues the problem rather than finding an ultimate solution - which would be something like showing people that they can better their own lives regardless of their circumstance. Keeping people boxed into these pre-packaged stereotypes or whatever continues the cycle.

 

[Sinn Fein]

I think the school had their hearts in the right place, but it sends a bad message (to all the students, especially the black ones). I think when schools put in special programs they shouldn't target groups based on qualities (race, gender, disability) but instead on results (poor test scores, low attendance, lack of engagement).

I don't disagree with you. But when the program for kids with those results is all black kids, how quickly will people scream racism?

If a program is based on test scores, etc. (anything non race based) and someone sees racism due to the ethnicity of the participants, then they are the problem. As a society, we need to stop seeing racism everywhere and start calling out people who inject it where it doesn't belong.

We also need to work towards ending programs/views/etc. that are based on race and this program does exactly the opposite of that. I think the former problem (the penchant for inserting racism where it doesn't belong) leads to so many people having a problem with this particular program.

Can't agree here.

One of the issues plaguing school districts around the country is a disparity in test scores between white and minority students. In our district, admission to the gifted and talented track is based primarily on standardized test scores, and blacks are significantly under-represented in the gifted and talented program. Does that mean they should lower standards for black students? I don't think so - but it does mean the district should examine why minority students are testing lower, and make efforts to improve that underlying cause - in fact that is why many schools get Title 1 funding.

In reality, success in school depends on many factors outside of the school - but I think we owe it to our communities to level the playing field when it comes to kids education. Kids can't help if they come from a broken home, or if they do not have parents who are involved in their education, etc. If the community does not step up and give those students (of all races and socio-economic backgrounds) the tools they need to succeed, then we are dooming another generation to the same cycle - and ultimately communities are better when everyone is lifted up, not when we see a widening gap between groups.

So if that means that minority, or other disadvantaged kids, get help that my kid does not get - I am ok with that.

I hear what you are saying, but couldn't the same "lagging" students (or whatever the proper term) be identified by things other than race? I understand many gubment programs are based on race, etc. but I think that continues the problem rather than finding an ultimate solution - which would be something like showing people that they can better their own lives regardless of their circumstance. Keeping people boxed into these pre-packaged stereotypes or whatever continues the cycle.

I think they are - but it is a distinction without much of a difference. I think the biggest stumbling block for many students is socio-economic, not race. But, more minorities find themselves in the lower levels of the socioeconomic food chain - so it appears race is a proxy for these issues.

 

[General Tso]

I think the school had their hearts in the right place, but it sends a bad message (to all the students, especially the black ones). I think when schools put in special programs they shouldn't target groups based on qualities (race, gender, disability) but instead on results (poor test scores, low attendance, lack of engagement).

I don't disagree with you. But when the program for kids with those results is all black kids, how quickly will people scream racism?

If a program is based on test scores, etc. (anything non race based) and someone sees racism due to the ethnicity of the participants, then they are the problem. As a society, we need to stop seeing racism everywhere and start calling out people who inject it where it doesn't belong.

We also need to work towards ending programs/views/etc. that are based on race and this program does exactly the opposite of that. I think the former problem (the penchant for inserting racism where it doesn't belong) leads to so many people having a problem with this particular program.

Can't agree here.

One of the issues plaguing school districts around the country is a disparity in test scores between white and minority students. In our district, admission to the gifted and talented track is based primarily on standardized test scores, and blacks are significantly under-represented in the gifted and talented program. Does that mean they should lower standards for black students? I don't think so - but it does mean the district should examine why minority students are testing lower, and make efforts to improve that underlying cause - in fact that is why many schools get Title 1 funding.

In reality, success in school depends on many factors outside of the school - but I think we owe it to our communities to level the playing field when it comes to kids education. Kids can't help if they come from a broken home, or if they do not have parents who are involved in their education, etc. If the community does not step up and give those students (of all races and socio-economic backgrounds) the tools they need to succeed, then we are dooming another generation to the same cycle - and ultimately communities are better when everyone is lifted up, not when we see a widening gap between groups.

So if that means that minority, or other disadvantaged kids, get help that my kid does not get - I am ok with that.

In Hartford County there was a landmark case in the 90's called Sheff vs. O'Neill, which argued that kids being educated in Hartford were disadvantaged in that they didn't get as good a public education as kids in the wealthier suburbs. It led to a lot of regionalized bussing programs wher kids in Hartford could go to school in Glastonbury, Farmington, etc.This is the better solution to the problem, rather than race-based admission standards at colleges (which by the way disadvantage Asian kids) as it deals with the root cause and does so in a manner that isnt black versus white. If the disadvantaged kid in Hartford is white (like my white Mom was) you still get the benefit of the bussing.

 

[Chadstroma]

I have never understood the liberal line of thinking that goes a little something like this....

Everyone should be treated the same regardless of grouping. Everyone is not treated the same based on their grouping. So, in order to get everyone treated the same we are going to treat people differently based on their grouping.

Its thinking for the long-term, not the short-term.

That is the fault in the logic. By treating people different you are perpetuating the problem. It will never be 'short term' fix because it makes it a long term problem.

Do you want racial groups to all be treated the same? Then start treating them the same. If you don't treat them the same then you are part of the problem and it does not matter if your heart is in the right place or not.

 

[cstu]

I hear what you are saying, but couldn't the same "lagging" students (or whatever the proper term) be identified by things other than race? I understand many gubment programs are based on race, etc. but I think that continues the problem rather than finding an ultimate solution - which would be something like showing people that they can better their own lives regardless of their circumstance. Keeping people boxed into these pre-packaged stereotypes or whatever continues the cycle.

I have never understood the liberal line of thinking that goes a little something like this....

Everyone should be treated the same regardless of grouping. Everyone is not treated the same based on their grouping. So, in order to get everyone treated the same we are going to treat people differently based on their grouping.

Its thinking for the long-term, not the short-term.

That is the fault in the logic. By treating people different you are perpetuating the problem. It will never be 'short term' fix because it makes it a long term problem.

Do you want racial groups to all be treated the same? Then start treating them the same. If you don't treat them the same then you are part of the problem and it does not matter if your heart is in the right place or not.

It's not that simple - the groups (even if not real like 'races') need to see themselves as the same.

You can tell someone they are no different than anyone else but psychologically they aren't going to believe it until they see examples of it with their own eyes.

 

[General Tso]

I think the school had their hearts in the right place, but it sends a bad message (to all the students, especially the black ones). I think when schools put in special programs they shouldn't target groups based on qualities (race, gender, disability) but instead on results (poor test scores, low attendance, lack of engagement).

I don't disagree with you. But when the program for kids with those results is all black kids, how quickly will people scream racism?

If a program is based on test scores, etc. (anything non race based) and someone sees racism due to the ethnicity of the participants, then they are the problem. As a society, we need to stop seeing racism everywhere and start calling out people who inject it where it doesn't belong.

We also need to work towards ending programs/views/etc. that are based on race and this program does exactly the opposite of that. I think the former problem (the penchant for inserting racism where it doesn't belong) leads to so many people having a problem with this particular program.

Can't agree here.

One of the issues plaguing school districts around the country is a disparity in test scores between white and minority students. In our district, admission to the gifted and talented track is based primarily on standardized test scores, and blacks are significantly under-represented in the gifted and talented program. Does that mean they should lower standards for black students? I don't think so - but it does mean the district should examine why minority students are testing lower, and make efforts to improve that underlying cause - in fact that is why many schools get Title 1 funding.

In reality, success in school depends on many factors outside of the school - but I think we owe it to our communities to level the playing field when it comes to kids education. Kids can't help if they come from a broken home, or if they do not have parents who are involved in their education, etc. If the community does not step up and give those students (of all races and socio-economic backgrounds) the tools they need to succeed, then we are dooming another generation to the same cycle - and ultimately communities are better when everyone is lifted up, not when we see a widening gap between groups.

So if that means that minority, or other disadvantaged kids, get help that my kid does not get - I am ok with that.

I hear what you are saying, but couldn't the same "lagging" students (or whatever the proper term) be identified by things other than race? I understand many gubment programs are based on race, etc. but I think that continues the problem rather than finding an ultimate solution - which would be something like showing people that they can better their own lives regardless of their circumstance. Keeping people boxed into these pre-packaged stereotypes or whatever continues the cycle.

I think they are - but it is a distinction without much of a difference. I think the biggest stumbling block for many students is socio-economic, not race. But, more minorities find themselves in the lower levels of the socioeconomic food chain - so it appears race is a proxy for these issues.

"Without much of a difference?" That is where you and a lot of other well intentioned folks in here are stumbling. It's a big difference when a society keeps pumping out this lie that black people are somehow inherently different than whites and need special programs. I don't understand how you and others can't see how damaging that can be to the black psyche when it's done over and over. There are some in the black community who view this as racism, and are insulted by it. There's a great piece written about it online I'll try to dig up. Something about "de-programming the black mind".Call it what it really is - lack of opportunity due to circumstances other than skin color - poverty, lack of a two parent household, inadequate local school systems... You yourself acknowledged these are the true causes. Tell the 8 year old black kid, who is already probably wondering what is going on, that it's not because he is black, but that it's because the circumstances he was born into were a little different. And then follow-up that up by telling him that these circumstances can and will change, and all that's required is hard work on his part. You can change circumstances. You can't change the color of your skin.

 

[rct]

I love it. The guy's job description is to develop programs to specifically help black kids become more successful academically. He does that and the conservatives here become outraged, as if the blacks already have all the advantages and somehow the white kids will suffer as a result and maybe drop their plans for a college education.

http://www.inquisitr.com/2016520/black-only-school-field-trip-prompts-complaints-by-south-bend-indiana-parents/

Dr. Moss told ABC 57 that he stands by his decision to include only African-American children, stating that it is his job to do so.

"I was hired to look at the issues facing African-American kids in the South Bend Community Schools Corporation and my job specifically says that I need to develop programs and develop strategies to help these kids and their families become more successful academically."

 

[Chadstroma]

I hear what you are saying, but couldn't the same "lagging" students (or whatever the proper term) be identified by things other than race? I understand many gubment programs are based on race, etc. but I think that continues the problem rather than finding an ultimate solution - which would be something like showing people that they can better their own lives regardless of their circumstance. Keeping people boxed into these pre-packaged stereotypes or whatever continues the cycle.

I have never understood the liberal line of thinking that goes a little something like this....

Everyone should be treated the same regardless of grouping. Everyone is not treated the same based on their grouping. So, in order to get everyone treated the same we are going to treat people differently based on their grouping.

Its thinking for the long-term, not the short-term.

That is the fault in the logic. By treating people different you are perpetuating the problem. It will never be 'short term' fix because it makes it a long term problem.

Do you want racial groups to all be treated the same? Then start treating them the same. If you don't treat them the same then you are part of the problem and it does not matter if your heart is in the right place or not.

It's not that simple - the groups (even if not real like 'races') need to see themselves as the same.

You can tell someone they are no different than anyone else but psychologically they aren't going to believe it until they see examples of it with their own eyes.

And they will see that by being treated differently?

 

[Christo]

I hear what you are saying, but couldn't the same "lagging" students (or whatever the proper term) be identified by things other than race? I understand many gubment programs are based on race, etc. but I think that continues the problem rather than finding an ultimate solution - which would be something like showing people that they can better their own lives regardless of their circumstance. Keeping people boxed into these pre-packaged stereotypes or whatever continues the cycle.

I have never understood the liberal line of thinking that goes a little something like this....

Everyone should be treated the same regardless of grouping. Everyone is not treated the same based on their grouping. So, in order to get everyone treated the same we are going to treat people differently based on their grouping.

Its thinking for the long-term, not the short-term.

That is the fault in the logic. By treating people different you are perpetuating the problem. It will never be 'short term' fix because it makes it a long term problem.

Do you want racial groups to all be treated the same? Then start treating them the same. If you don't treat them the same then you are part of the problem and it does not matter if your heart is in the right place or not.

It's not that simple - the groups (even if not real like 'races') need to see themselves as the same.

You can tell someone they are no different than anyone else but psychologically they aren't going to believe it until they see examples of it with their own eyes.

Yet it hasn't been explained why it's a benefit to exclude the white kids.

 

[Christo]

I love it. The guy's job description is to develop programs to specifically help black kids become more successful academically. He does that and the conservatives here become outraged, as if the blacks already have all the advantages and somehow the white kids will suffer as a result and maybe drop their plans for a college education.

Yes, that's exactly what people are thinking

 

[Christo]

http://www.inquisitr.com/2016520/black-only-school-field-trip-prompts-complaints-by-south-bend-indiana-parents/

Dr. Moss told ABC 57 that he stands by his decision to include only African-American children, stating that it is his job to do so.

"I was hired to look at the issues facing African-American kids in the South Bend Community Schools Corporation and my job specifically says that I need to develop programs and develop strategies to help these kids and their families become more successful academically."

Did he explain how it benefited the black kids to exclude the white kids?

 

[cstu]

http://www.inquisitr.com/2016520/black-only-school-field-trip-prompts-complaints-by-south-bend-indiana-parents/

Dr. Moss told ABC 57 that he stands by his decision to include only African-American children, stating that it is his job to do so.

"I was hired to look at the issues facing African-American kids in the South Bend Community Schools Corporation and my job specifically says that I need to develop programs and develop strategies to help these kids and their families become more successful academically."

Did he explain how it benefited the black kids to exclude the white kids?

The black college students would be more open talking to a group of black kids.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Seems a few people posting in this thread could have used a program like this when they were younger.

 

[Christo]

http://www.inquisitr.com/2016520/black-only-school-field-trip-prompts-complaints-by-south-bend-indiana-parents/

Dr. Moss told ABC 57 that he stands by his decision to include only African-American children, stating that it is his job to do so.

"I was hired to look at the issues facing African-American kids in the South Bend Community Schools Corporation and my job specifically says that I need to develop programs and develop strategies to help these kids and their families become more successful academically."

Did he explain how it benefited the black kids to exclude the white kids?

The black college students would be more open talking to a group of black kids.

What a crock of ####.

 

[Steeler]

I love it. The guy's job description is to develop programs to specifically help black kids become more successful academically. He does that and the conservatives here become outraged...

I didn't see any outrage here. Its simply a discussion about whether it would be better to leave race out of this and try to help all students who need it.

 

[Steeler]

http://www.inquisitr.com/2016520/black-only-school-field-trip-prompts-complaints-by-south-bend-indiana-parents/

Dr. Moss told ABC 57 that he stands by his decision to include only African-American children, stating that it is his job to do so.

"I was hired to look at the issues facing African-American kids in the South Bend Community Schools Corporation and my job specifically says that I need to develop programs and develop strategies to help these kids and their families become more successful academically."

Did he explain how it benefited the black kids to exclude the white kids?

The black college students would be more open talking to a group of black kids.

Furthering the notion that the races should be treated differently, rather that working toward a colorblind society.

 

[rct]

http://www.inquisitr.com/2016520/black-only-school-field-trip-prompts-complaints-by-south-bend-indiana-parents/

Dr. Moss told ABC 57 that he stands by his decision to include only African-American children, stating that it is his job to do so.

"I was hired to look at the issues facing African-American kids in the South Bend Community Schools Corporation and my job specifically says that I need to develop programs and develop strategies to help these kids and their families become more successful academically."

Did he explain how it benefited the black kids to exclude the white kids?

The black college students would be more open talking to a group of black kids.

Wonder what the reaction would have been if white kids had been forced to take a field trip that required them to listen to a bunch of black college students.

 

[Christo]

http://www.inquisitr.com/2016520/black-only-school-field-trip-prompts-complaints-by-south-bend-indiana-parents/

Dr. Moss told ABC 57 that he stands by his decision to include only African-American children, stating that it is his job to do so.

"I was hired to look at the issues facing African-American kids in the South Bend Community Schools Corporation and my job specifically says that I need to develop programs and develop strategies to help these kids and their families become more successful academically."

Did he explain how it benefited the black kids to exclude the white kids?

The black college students would be more open talking to a group of black kids.

Wonder what the reaction would have been if white kids had been forced to take a field trip that required them to listen to a bunch of black college students.

I'm sure you'll make something juicy up

 

[Juxtatarot]

http://www.inquisitr.com/2016520/black-only-school-field-trip-prompts-complaints-by-south-bend-indiana-parents/

Dr. Moss told ABC 57 that he stands by his decision to include only African-American children, stating that it is his job to do so.

"I was hired to look at the issues facing African-American kids in the South Bend Community Schools Corporation and my job specifically says that I need to develop programs and develop strategies to help these kids and their families become more successful academically."

Did he explain how it benefited the black kids to exclude the white kids?

The black college students would be more open talking to a group of black kids.

Furthering the notion that the races should be treated differently, rather that working toward a colorblind society.

Maybe working together includes supporting the black kids on the trip.

 

[cstu]

Would anyone have a problem with the field trip if it was a group of kids with learning disabilities visiting a college to meet college students who overcame their learning disabilities?

And before you attack me for comparing learning disabilities and being black that's not the intent - they both have different issues to overcome to viewing themselves as able to succeed in college.

 

[Steeler]

Maybe working together includes supporting the black kids on the trip.

I would fully support a field trip of under-performing student, regardless of race. I think continuing to divide people based on race is a bad idea.

 

[Steeler]

Would anyone have a problem with the field trip if it was a group of kids with learning disabilities visiting a college to meet college students who overcame their learning disabilities?

And before you attack me for comparing learning disabilities and being black that's not the intent - they both have different issues to overcome to viewing themselves as able to succeed in college.

No, but I don't think being black is something that needs to be overcome. Being poor, lacking parental guidance, or whatever else is causing students to need help is something that needs to be overcome - all I'm saying is lets stop looking at it through the race-prism and start looking at it through the root-cause-prism.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Would anyone have a problem with the field trip if it was a group of kids with learning disabilities visiting a college to meet college students who overcame their learning disabilities?

And before you attack me for comparing learning disabilities and being black that's not the intent - they both have different issues to overcome to viewing themselves as able to succeed in college.

Sounds like you just compared black kids to kids with learning disabilities. You might want to rethink that one chief. And about 100 other ridiculous things you've said in this thread.

 

[Ilov80s]

Would anyone have a problem with the field trip if it was a group of kids with learning disabilities visiting a college to meet college students who overcame their learning disabilities?

And before you attack me for comparing learning disabilities and being black that's not the intent - they both have different issues to overcome to viewing themselves as able to succeed in college.

It sure seems like you are comparing them.

 

[Ilov80s]

Would anyone have a problem with the field trip if it was a group of kids with learning disabilities visiting a college to meet college students who overcame their learning disabilities?

And before you attack me for comparing learning disabilities and being black that's not the intent - they both have different issues to overcome to viewing themselves as able to succeed in college.

Sounds like you just compared black kids to kids with learning disabilities. You might want to rethink that one chief. And about 100 other ridiculous things you've said in this thread.

Yeah, that was brutal. I'm not comparing what he said to racism, that's not my intent. I am just bringing up racism because it is totally not comparable to his post that I have been talking about.

 

[Steeler]

Would anyone have a problem with the field trip if it was a group of kids with learning disabilities visiting a college to meet college students who overcame their learning disabilities?

And before you attack me for comparing learning disabilities and being black that's not the intent - they both have different issues to overcome to viewing themselves as able to succeed in college.

Sounds like you just compared black kids to kids with learning disabilities. You might want to rethink that one chief. And about 100 other ridiculous things you've said in this thread.

Yeah, that was brutal. I'm not comparing what he said to racism, that's not my intent. I am just bringing up racism because it is totally not comparable to his post that I have been talking about.

 

[Christo]

Maybe they should have included the kids with learning disabilities as well. Well, perhaps that would have sent the wrong message.

 

[timschochet]

I agree with most of the conservatives in this thread. It's one thing to promote ethnic identity and pride, which I have no problem with, but it's another to be exclusionary and separate people by racial origin. Whatever the good intent might be, the results are going to be problematic- it shouldn't be done.

That being said it's really not such a big deal one way or the other. It's a field trip. Nothing to lose sleep over. When it comes to racial issues in this country, we have incredibly more vital issues to discuss and debate.

 

[Christo]

I agree with most of the conservatives in this thread. It's one thing to promote ethnic identity and pride, which I have no problem with, but it's another to be exclusionary and separate people by racial origin. Whatever the good intent might be, the results are going to be problematic- it shouldn't be done.

That being said it's really not such a big deal one way or the other. It's a field trip. Nothing to lose sleep over. When it comes to racial issues in this country, we have incredibly more vital issues to discuss and debate.

My biggest problem with the whole thing is that field trips are seen by kids as a special event. No matter the purpose behind the trip the kids left behind will feel like they are being left out of something exciting. We are, after all, talking about third graders not high school kids.