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Direct Headline: How Liz Cheney and Her Dad Paved the Way for the Big Lie
She says Donald Trump crossed a line. But the Bush-Cheney administration didn’t?...In recent days, Liz Cheney has ...provoked outrage from the Trump cultists within her party who are now demanding she be stripped of her post as the conference chair, the No. 3 spot in the Republican House caucus. And the betting odds are not in favor of the daughter of former Vice President **** Cheney. ....But for accepting reality and stating the obvious—Biden won, and it’s bad for a president to encourage a violent assault on Congress—Cheney (outside of Republican congressional circles) has won hoorays. Writing on CNN’s website, GOP consultant Scott Jennings observed that Cheney is “now positioned as a principled martyr.”... In a recent Washington Post column, she wrapped herself in such noble garb, slamming Trump for “seeking to unravel critical elements of our constitutional structure that make democracy work—confidence in the result of elections and the rule of law. No other American president has ever done this....The Republican Party is at a turning point, and Republicans must decide whether we are going to choose truth and fidelity to the Constitution....”
....In the 21st century, American presidents have at least twice tried to shape the world with a lie of enormous impact.... And two decades ago, another Big Lie was concocted and pushed by a Republican president that resulted in profound (and lethal) consequences. Her dad was its main architect....That was the untrue allegation that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass of destruction and was prepared to use them against the United States. The Bush-Cheney administration used these charges to garner public support for the 2003 invasion of Iraq. **** Cheney was the chief pitchman for this flimflam. In an August 2002 speech, he proclaimed, “There is no doubt [Saddam] is amassing [WMDs] to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us.” Soon after that, he publicly asserted that Saddam was trying to obtain aluminum tubes that could only be used for enriching uranium for weapons. And he also publicly cited a report that one of the 9/11 ringleaders had met with an Iraqi intelligence officer in Prague.....
None of this was true. And **** Cheney’s lies were not the result of intelligence failures. US intelligence over the previous year had assessed that Saddam did not have a worrisome WMD program. Government scientists had concluded that the aluminum tubes in question were not usable for weapon-grade enrichment. And the CIA had discredited that Prague report. Yet none of this inhibited Cheney and President George W. Bush.....The invasion of Iraq toppled Saddam’s dictatorship but it yielded a geo-strategic and deadly mess in the region. About 200,000 Iraqi civilians died in the ensuing years due to the war. More than 4,000 American soldiers lost their lives in the war....
One lesson of the Iraq war is that a big lie can work. Liz Cheney, who was deputy assistant secretary of state for Near Eastern Affairs during this stretch, supported the war—and has defended it ever since. (She co-wrote a 2015 book with her dad on US foreign policy.) She even insisted that one of the main lies of the Bush-Cheney fraudulent case for war—that there had been a significant connection between al-Qaeda and Iraq—was true. (She also hawkishly defended a sordid chapter of that sordid war: torture, saying it was “libelous” to call waterboarding “torture.”)....
....There was another odious lie that Liz Cheney also defended—or played footsie with: the racist conspiracy theory that President Barack Obama was born in Kenya. Asked about birtherism in 2009, she replied, “I think the Democrats have got more crazies than the Republicans do. But setting that aside, one of the reasons you see people so concerned about this, I think this issue is, people are uncomfortable with having for the first time ever, I think, a president who seems so reluctant to defend the nation overseas.” Without endorsing the conspiratorial and disproven details of this nutty notion, Cheney was providing moral support to its adherents. (Trump’s championship of this lie helped turn him into a right-wing hero and set up the foundation for his 2016 presidential bid.)....
....Still, Liz Cheney deserves hardly a cheer, for it ought to be remembered that Trump is pushing his Big Lie in the wake of other big lies—and that Cheney, her father, and so many other Republicans not so long ago did much to blaze the path for the dangerous political villainy she now decries.....
David Corn May 7, 2021
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2021/05/how-liz-cheney-and-her-dad-paved-the-way-for-the-big-lie/
Direct Headline: Liz Cheney’s Stand Had Nothing to Do With Principle. Ask Her Sister.
“Liz Cheney is a leader of great courage, patriotism, and integrity,” House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said with a straight face on Wednesday after Republicans dismissed Cheney from her post by a voice vote...In the run-up to Cheney’s ouster, MSNBC pundit Nicolle Wallace slammed the GOP for coming after Cheney “for her refusal to go along with the Big Lie and the assault on democracy it has ushered in.” Wallace, of course, a dedicated salesperson of the Iraq War, having served as the Bush administration’s communications director, knows as much about the Big Lie as Cheney....
...This is a person who launched a campaign to represent Wyoming in Congress with a Facebook post geotagged McLean, Virginia, her real home. On the trail, a reporter noticed that her hands had turned blue, stained from rubbing them against the brand new blue jeans she’d bought to play the part of cowboy....Cheney knows lies both big and small. She, with Wallace, was a leading booster of her father’s war. She has shown no remorse or reflection over the U.S. invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan. Quite the contrary, it was Trump’s attack on the decision to go to war in Iraq, and later his insistence on exiting Afghanistan, that triggered her most deeply and drove her to work publicly with Democrats to keep the occupation going.....
....The Cheney wing of the Republican Party has betrayed nothing but contempt for democracy around the globe in the period since World War II, reveling in the overthrow of democratically elected leaders, only approving of elections if they are won by the candidate preferred in Washington — or if the promise of them can be used to justify an invasion. Liz Cheney’s father, **** Cheney, served as deputy chief of staff and chief of staff to President Gerald Ford as his administration welcomed the rule of Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia. Spare us the paeons to democracy....
....For years, the Cheney family stood apart from the Republican Party’s culture war.... even as the Bush-Cheney administration cynically deployed opposition to marriage equality as a tool to drive out the evangelical vote for the party.....Running for Senate in 2013, Liz Cheney threw her sister overboard. “I love Mary very much, I love her family very much. This is just an issue on which we disagree,” she told viewers of Fox News.....“Liz — this isn’t just an issue on which we disagree, you’re just wrong — and on the wrong side of history,” Mary, a Republican operative herself, shot back on Facebook. “Liz has been a guest in our home, has spent time and shared holidays with our children,” Mary’s wife Heather Poe wrote. “To have her now say she doesn’t support our right to marry is offensive to say the least....”
.....Liz Cheney’s own political predicament is a function of her own political miscalculations. Cheney, like many in both parties, sensed that Trump would lose in 2020, House Republicans would lose seats, and a reckoning would give an opportunity for her wing of the party to rise again. She spent 2020 positioning herself against Trump. ....Her calculation that Trump would lose panned out, but Trump managed to draw out millions of new voters, and House Republicans picked up seats instead of losing them. Trump’s hold on the party was secure....Cheney wasn’t wrong to condemn the incitement and the assault on the Capitol, but doing so was the only option left to her. None of this is about principle....
This is about power. The Trump wing of the party has it, and Cheney wants it. ... If Democrats think she would be any less dangerous with it in her hands, that the world would be any safer, they’re wrong....
Ryan Grim May 12 2021, 12:04 p.m.
https://theintercept.com/2021/05/12/liz-cheney-republican-house-trump/
Direct Headline: Congresswoman Cheney Votes to Fund Border Wall
“Tonight, Republicans in the House voted to provide the funding necessary to secure our border, including by building a border wall. It is time for the Democrats in the House and Senate to stop playing political games and do their duty by voting to provide resources to stop the flow of illegal immigrants, drugs and human trafficking across our southern border. House Republicans take seriously our constitutional obligation to provide resources to defend and protect this nation, and we hope our colleagues on the other side of the aisle will work with us to do what’s right for our nation.”
Liz Cheney House.Gov December 20 2018
https://cheney.house.gov/2018/12/20/congresswoman-cheney-votes-to-fund-border-wall/
Direct Headline: Tracking Congress In The Age Of Trump
An updating tally of how often every member of the House and the Senate votes with or against the president.
How often Cheney votes in line with Trump’s position?
Career - 92.9%
Dec. 20, 2018 Extension of government funding, including $5.7 billion for border wall (217-185) - YES
Jan. 19, 2018 Motion to table articles of impeachment against President Trump (355-66) - YES
Dec. 6, 2017 Making concealed-carry firearm permits valid across state lines (231-198) - YES
Dec. 6, 2017 Motion to table articles of impeachment against President Trump (364-58) - YES
Oct. 3, 2017 Banning abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy (237-189) - YES
Sept. 14, 2017 Giving the government more power to deport and deny admission to immigrants suspected of being in gangs (233-175) - YES
June 29, 2017 Increasing penalties for undocumented immigrants who re-enter the U.S. after being convicted of certain crimes (257-167) - YES
June 29, 2017 Penalizing states and localities that have “sanctuary” laws on immigration (228-195) - YES
June 13, 2017 Withholding Affordable Care Act subsidies from people until their citizenship is verified (238-184) - YES
Feb. 16, 2017 Repeal of a rule requiring state and local governments to distribute federal funds to qualified health centers even if they perform abortions (230-188) - YES
Jan. 24, 2017 Permanent ban on the use of federal funds for abortion or health coverage that includes abortions (238-183) - YES
Jan. 13, 2017 Budget resolution to repeal the Affordable Care Act (227-198) - YES
538 / UPDATED Jan. 13, 2021 at 5:11 PM
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/liz-cheney/
Direct Headline: Liz Cheney sells out gay sister for shot at U.S. Senate seat
What kind of woman sells out her sister for a shot at a U.S. Senate seat?...How do you tell your sister how happy you are she is marrying her longtime girlfriend, embrace her wife as a member of the family, their children as your niece and nephew, then turn around and tell the nation you oppose gay marriage?
For this alone, Liz Cheney, who is running for the Republican U.S. Senate nomination in Wyoming against a longtime conservative incumbent, deserves to lose.... Liz appeared on “Fox News Sunday” and noted, again, that despite what her opponent claims, she opposes gay marriage....
“Liz has been a guest in our home, has spent time and shared holidays with our children, and when Mary and I got married in 2012 - she didn’t hesitate to tell us how happy she was for us.....To have her now say she doesn’t support our right to marry is offensive to say the least.....I can’t help but wonder how Liz would feel if as she moved from state to state, she discovered that her family was protected in one but not the other......I always thought freedom meant freedom for EVERYONE.....Liz--this isn’t just an issue on which we disagree--you’re just wrong--and on the wrong side of history.”....
.....Supporters of her opponent, Sen. John Enzi, say her opposition to gay marriage represents a flip-flop, part of her strategy to run to his right and appeal to Tea Party Republicans in the overwhelmingly conservative state. They’ve declared her “wrong for Wyoming.”....
But opposing gay marriage is the very definition of discriminating against people because of their sexual orientation.....
By Robin Abcarian Nov. 18, 2013 10:16 AM PT
https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-liz-cheney-gay-marriage-20131118-story.html
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"Ayo, lesson here, Bey.... You come at the king, you best not miss." - Omar Little, The Wire & @krista4
The major problem I see with Liz Cheney is that most of the radical leftists who extol her virtues would never vote for her in a general election. - I love you so much because you hate Donald Trump! ( But I won't ever vote for you! )
Would the establishment Democrats and the radical left and some of you here love her based on her actual public policy positions if she secured the RNC ticket for the nomination in a general cycle? How many radical leftists here actually know any of Cheney's policy positions?
The deeper you dive inside Liz Cheney's political career and failures, ironically the more she looks and sounds like Donald Trump.
She attacked Trump because she knew her political career ceiling was capped ( stuck in 3rd place) and her opportunities to move ahead were shrinking. Her goal is to be POTUS and the practical Republican/Democrat on and off changeover in power means by the time Trump is out again for good, and there is a Team Blue transition period, she'll be too old to still be a viable candidate.
What makes Liz Cheney like Trump?
- She didn't earn anything herself, she soaked in privilege and entitlement, and rode the coat tails of her father and his wealth and was supported by the legacy her father created and protected by his loyalists.
- She's a flip flopper. For Trump, it was becoming a Republican. For Cheney, it was torching her own blood sister over LGBT rights and Same Sex Marriage.
- She wants a Border Wall and aggressive enforcement against illegal immigration.
- She hobnobs and is encircled with Big Donor special interests and is beholden to Big Corporate Overlords.
- She has public policy that lines up with Trump. She voted for The Big Cheeto's policies 93 percent of the time, voted to backed his Border Wall, voted twice to table his 2016 era first impeachment, has anti-LGBT accusations on her political jacket, voted to wipe out the ACA, voted towards anti-abortion policy, voted to show classically anti-immigration and pro 2A leanings.
- She pushed Obama's birther conspiracy for political advantage.
- She is accused of being racist and bigoted against minorities, immigrants and Muslims.
- She is known for her caustic abrasive attacking style of speech - calling the Democrats the Party of "infanticide"
- She is Pro Torture
- She is seen as a shameless grifter that snorted up campaign dollars by running a counter narrative media campaign about being wrongfully "expelled". It was actually to her advantage in raising her public profile to be seen as the GOP's scapegoat as the majority of the MSM leans hard left.
- She opposes progressive abortion rights
But the big problem was that Trump was in her way and clearly not a warhawk. When Trump denounced her father's blood thirsty ineptitude as VPOTUS during the W. Bush regime, that was just too much for her pride and against her profit margin with the Military Industrial Complex.
The only saving grace for Liz Cheney is she's slightly better off than her J6 Committee mate, Adam Kinzinger. As for Kinzinger, he voted along the lines of Trump, just like Cheney, when it suited his best then current political position. Then he realized by 2020, the establishment Democrats were going to gerrymander the living crap out of Illinois. And he knew there was no chance to stop it given Pritzker's endless dark money warchest. So he turned about face and kept hammering Trump hoping it would end up being rewarded by leaving him his seat. Instead Team Blue thanked him by making sure his seat was eliminated off the map. Kinzinger bet wrong just like Liz Cheney bet wrong. (She thought J6 would tank Trump much further and clear a path for her to be the new dominant power player in the GOP) Their Anti Trump narrative was a last ditch attempt for both to not get wiped out from sitting elected office. The former 16th for Kinzinger operated geographically like a ring, that shrouded near the Wisconsin and Indiana border. In a mostly blue stronghold, Kinzinger knew his district was a ripe fat target for being shredded apart and his failures become a preview for Liz Cheney soon about to be roasted by new Wyoming contender and Trump backed Harriet Hageman.
Liz Cheney badly miscalculated a power move against Trump, much in same narcissist vein that The Big Cheeto miscalculated how badly J6 would hurt what was left of his slim political future.
I see radical leftists here extol the virtues of Liz Cheney all the time. But why? She's so much more like Trump than people are willing to investigate and realize.
I'll leave this here for others to discuss.
She says Donald Trump crossed a line. But the Bush-Cheney administration didn’t?...In recent days, Liz Cheney has ...provoked outrage from the Trump cultists within her party who are now demanding she be stripped of her post as the conference chair, the No. 3 spot in the Republican House caucus. And the betting odds are not in favor of the daughter of former Vice President **** Cheney. ....But for accepting reality and stating the obvious—Biden won, and it’s bad for a president to encourage a violent assault on Congress—Cheney (outside of Republican congressional circles) has won hoorays. Writing on CNN’s website, GOP consultant Scott Jennings observed that Cheney is “now positioned as a principled martyr.”... In a recent Washington Post column, she wrapped herself in such noble garb, slamming Trump for “seeking to unravel critical elements of our constitutional structure that make democracy work—confidence in the result of elections and the rule of law. No other American president has ever done this....The Republican Party is at a turning point, and Republicans must decide whether we are going to choose truth and fidelity to the Constitution....”
....In the 21st century, American presidents have at least twice tried to shape the world with a lie of enormous impact.... And two decades ago, another Big Lie was concocted and pushed by a Republican president that resulted in profound (and lethal) consequences. Her dad was its main architect....That was the untrue allegation that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass of destruction and was prepared to use them against the United States. The Bush-Cheney administration used these charges to garner public support for the 2003 invasion of Iraq. **** Cheney was the chief pitchman for this flimflam. In an August 2002 speech, he proclaimed, “There is no doubt [Saddam] is amassing [WMDs] to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us.” Soon after that, he publicly asserted that Saddam was trying to obtain aluminum tubes that could only be used for enriching uranium for weapons. And he also publicly cited a report that one of the 9/11 ringleaders had met with an Iraqi intelligence officer in Prague.....
None of this was true. And **** Cheney’s lies were not the result of intelligence failures. US intelligence over the previous year had assessed that Saddam did not have a worrisome WMD program. Government scientists had concluded that the aluminum tubes in question were not usable for weapon-grade enrichment. And the CIA had discredited that Prague report. Yet none of this inhibited Cheney and President George W. Bush.....The invasion of Iraq toppled Saddam’s dictatorship but it yielded a geo-strategic and deadly mess in the region. About 200,000 Iraqi civilians died in the ensuing years due to the war. More than 4,000 American soldiers lost their lives in the war....
One lesson of the Iraq war is that a big lie can work. Liz Cheney, who was deputy assistant secretary of state for Near Eastern Affairs during this stretch, supported the war—and has defended it ever since. (She co-wrote a 2015 book with her dad on US foreign policy.) She even insisted that one of the main lies of the Bush-Cheney fraudulent case for war—that there had been a significant connection between al-Qaeda and Iraq—was true. (She also hawkishly defended a sordid chapter of that sordid war: torture, saying it was “libelous” to call waterboarding “torture.”)....
....There was another odious lie that Liz Cheney also defended—or played footsie with: the racist conspiracy theory that President Barack Obama was born in Kenya. Asked about birtherism in 2009, she replied, “I think the Democrats have got more crazies than the Republicans do. But setting that aside, one of the reasons you see people so concerned about this, I think this issue is, people are uncomfortable with having for the first time ever, I think, a president who seems so reluctant to defend the nation overseas.” Without endorsing the conspiratorial and disproven details of this nutty notion, Cheney was providing moral support to its adherents. (Trump’s championship of this lie helped turn him into a right-wing hero and set up the foundation for his 2016 presidential bid.)....
....Still, Liz Cheney deserves hardly a cheer, for it ought to be remembered that Trump is pushing his Big Lie in the wake of other big lies—and that Cheney, her father, and so many other Republicans not so long ago did much to blaze the path for the dangerous political villainy she now decries.....
David Corn May 7, 2021
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2021/05/how-liz-cheney-and-her-dad-paved-the-way-for-the-big-lie/
Direct Headline: Liz Cheney’s Stand Had Nothing to Do With Principle. Ask Her Sister.
“Liz Cheney is a leader of great courage, patriotism, and integrity,” House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said with a straight face on Wednesday after Republicans dismissed Cheney from her post by a voice vote...In the run-up to Cheney’s ouster, MSNBC pundit Nicolle Wallace slammed the GOP for coming after Cheney “for her refusal to go along with the Big Lie and the assault on democracy it has ushered in.” Wallace, of course, a dedicated salesperson of the Iraq War, having served as the Bush administration’s communications director, knows as much about the Big Lie as Cheney....
...This is a person who launched a campaign to represent Wyoming in Congress with a Facebook post geotagged McLean, Virginia, her real home. On the trail, a reporter noticed that her hands had turned blue, stained from rubbing them against the brand new blue jeans she’d bought to play the part of cowboy....Cheney knows lies both big and small. She, with Wallace, was a leading booster of her father’s war. She has shown no remorse or reflection over the U.S. invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan. Quite the contrary, it was Trump’s attack on the decision to go to war in Iraq, and later his insistence on exiting Afghanistan, that triggered her most deeply and drove her to work publicly with Democrats to keep the occupation going.....
....The Cheney wing of the Republican Party has betrayed nothing but contempt for democracy around the globe in the period since World War II, reveling in the overthrow of democratically elected leaders, only approving of elections if they are won by the candidate preferred in Washington — or if the promise of them can be used to justify an invasion. Liz Cheney’s father, **** Cheney, served as deputy chief of staff and chief of staff to President Gerald Ford as his administration welcomed the rule of Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia. Spare us the paeons to democracy....
....For years, the Cheney family stood apart from the Republican Party’s culture war.... even as the Bush-Cheney administration cynically deployed opposition to marriage equality as a tool to drive out the evangelical vote for the party.....Running for Senate in 2013, Liz Cheney threw her sister overboard. “I love Mary very much, I love her family very much. This is just an issue on which we disagree,” she told viewers of Fox News.....“Liz — this isn’t just an issue on which we disagree, you’re just wrong — and on the wrong side of history,” Mary, a Republican operative herself, shot back on Facebook. “Liz has been a guest in our home, has spent time and shared holidays with our children,” Mary’s wife Heather Poe wrote. “To have her now say she doesn’t support our right to marry is offensive to say the least....”
.....Liz Cheney’s own political predicament is a function of her own political miscalculations. Cheney, like many in both parties, sensed that Trump would lose in 2020, House Republicans would lose seats, and a reckoning would give an opportunity for her wing of the party to rise again. She spent 2020 positioning herself against Trump. ....Her calculation that Trump would lose panned out, but Trump managed to draw out millions of new voters, and House Republicans picked up seats instead of losing them. Trump’s hold on the party was secure....Cheney wasn’t wrong to condemn the incitement and the assault on the Capitol, but doing so was the only option left to her. None of this is about principle....
This is about power. The Trump wing of the party has it, and Cheney wants it. ... If Democrats think she would be any less dangerous with it in her hands, that the world would be any safer, they’re wrong....
Ryan Grim May 12 2021, 12:04 p.m.
https://theintercept.com/2021/05/12/liz-cheney-republican-house-trump/
Direct Headline: Congresswoman Cheney Votes to Fund Border Wall
“Tonight, Republicans in the House voted to provide the funding necessary to secure our border, including by building a border wall. It is time for the Democrats in the House and Senate to stop playing political games and do their duty by voting to provide resources to stop the flow of illegal immigrants, drugs and human trafficking across our southern border. House Republicans take seriously our constitutional obligation to provide resources to defend and protect this nation, and we hope our colleagues on the other side of the aisle will work with us to do what’s right for our nation.”
Liz Cheney House.Gov December 20 2018
https://cheney.house.gov/2018/12/20/congresswoman-cheney-votes-to-fund-border-wall/
Direct Headline: Tracking Congress In The Age Of Trump
An updating tally of how often every member of the House and the Senate votes with or against the president.
How often Cheney votes in line with Trump’s position?
Career - 92.9%
Dec. 20, 2018 Extension of government funding, including $5.7 billion for border wall (217-185) - YES
Jan. 19, 2018 Motion to table articles of impeachment against President Trump (355-66) - YES
Dec. 6, 2017 Making concealed-carry firearm permits valid across state lines (231-198) - YES
Dec. 6, 2017 Motion to table articles of impeachment against President Trump (364-58) - YES
Oct. 3, 2017 Banning abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy (237-189) - YES
Sept. 14, 2017 Giving the government more power to deport and deny admission to immigrants suspected of being in gangs (233-175) - YES
June 29, 2017 Increasing penalties for undocumented immigrants who re-enter the U.S. after being convicted of certain crimes (257-167) - YES
June 29, 2017 Penalizing states and localities that have “sanctuary” laws on immigration (228-195) - YES
June 13, 2017 Withholding Affordable Care Act subsidies from people until their citizenship is verified (238-184) - YES
Feb. 16, 2017 Repeal of a rule requiring state and local governments to distribute federal funds to qualified health centers even if they perform abortions (230-188) - YES
Jan. 24, 2017 Permanent ban on the use of federal funds for abortion or health coverage that includes abortions (238-183) - YES
Jan. 13, 2017 Budget resolution to repeal the Affordable Care Act (227-198) - YES
538 / UPDATED Jan. 13, 2021 at 5:11 PM
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/liz-cheney/
Direct Headline: Liz Cheney sells out gay sister for shot at U.S. Senate seat
What kind of woman sells out her sister for a shot at a U.S. Senate seat?...How do you tell your sister how happy you are she is marrying her longtime girlfriend, embrace her wife as a member of the family, their children as your niece and nephew, then turn around and tell the nation you oppose gay marriage?
For this alone, Liz Cheney, who is running for the Republican U.S. Senate nomination in Wyoming against a longtime conservative incumbent, deserves to lose.... Liz appeared on “Fox News Sunday” and noted, again, that despite what her opponent claims, she opposes gay marriage....
“Liz has been a guest in our home, has spent time and shared holidays with our children, and when Mary and I got married in 2012 - she didn’t hesitate to tell us how happy she was for us.....To have her now say she doesn’t support our right to marry is offensive to say the least.....I can’t help but wonder how Liz would feel if as she moved from state to state, she discovered that her family was protected in one but not the other......I always thought freedom meant freedom for EVERYONE.....Liz--this isn’t just an issue on which we disagree--you’re just wrong--and on the wrong side of history.”....
.....Supporters of her opponent, Sen. John Enzi, say her opposition to gay marriage represents a flip-flop, part of her strategy to run to his right and appeal to Tea Party Republicans in the overwhelmingly conservative state. They’ve declared her “wrong for Wyoming.”....
But opposing gay marriage is the very definition of discriminating against people because of their sexual orientation.....
By Robin Abcarian Nov. 18, 2013 10:16 AM PT
https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-liz-cheney-gay-marriage-20131118-story.html
******
"Ayo, lesson here, Bey.... You come at the king, you best not miss." - Omar Little, The Wire & @krista4
The major problem I see with Liz Cheney is that most of the radical leftists who extol her virtues would never vote for her in a general election. - I love you so much because you hate Donald Trump! ( But I won't ever vote for you! )
Would the establishment Democrats and the radical left and some of you here love her based on her actual public policy positions if she secured the RNC ticket for the nomination in a general cycle? How many radical leftists here actually know any of Cheney's policy positions?
The deeper you dive inside Liz Cheney's political career and failures, ironically the more she looks and sounds like Donald Trump.
She attacked Trump because she knew her political career ceiling was capped ( stuck in 3rd place) and her opportunities to move ahead were shrinking. Her goal is to be POTUS and the practical Republican/Democrat on and off changeover in power means by the time Trump is out again for good, and there is a Team Blue transition period, she'll be too old to still be a viable candidate.
What makes Liz Cheney like Trump?
- She didn't earn anything herself, she soaked in privilege and entitlement, and rode the coat tails of her father and his wealth and was supported by the legacy her father created and protected by his loyalists.
- She's a flip flopper. For Trump, it was becoming a Republican. For Cheney, it was torching her own blood sister over LGBT rights and Same Sex Marriage.
- She wants a Border Wall and aggressive enforcement against illegal immigration.
- She hobnobs and is encircled with Big Donor special interests and is beholden to Big Corporate Overlords.
- She has public policy that lines up with Trump. She voted for The Big Cheeto's policies 93 percent of the time, voted to backed his Border Wall, voted twice to table his 2016 era first impeachment, has anti-LGBT accusations on her political jacket, voted to wipe out the ACA, voted towards anti-abortion policy, voted to show classically anti-immigration and pro 2A leanings.
- She pushed Obama's birther conspiracy for political advantage.
- She is accused of being racist and bigoted against minorities, immigrants and Muslims.
- She is known for her caustic abrasive attacking style of speech - calling the Democrats the Party of "infanticide"
- She is Pro Torture
- She is seen as a shameless grifter that snorted up campaign dollars by running a counter narrative media campaign about being wrongfully "expelled". It was actually to her advantage in raising her public profile to be seen as the GOP's scapegoat as the majority of the MSM leans hard left.
- She opposes progressive abortion rights
But the big problem was that Trump was in her way and clearly not a warhawk. When Trump denounced her father's blood thirsty ineptitude as VPOTUS during the W. Bush regime, that was just too much for her pride and against her profit margin with the Military Industrial Complex.
The only saving grace for Liz Cheney is she's slightly better off than her J6 Committee mate, Adam Kinzinger. As for Kinzinger, he voted along the lines of Trump, just like Cheney, when it suited his best then current political position. Then he realized by 2020, the establishment Democrats were going to gerrymander the living crap out of Illinois. And he knew there was no chance to stop it given Pritzker's endless dark money warchest. So he turned about face and kept hammering Trump hoping it would end up being rewarded by leaving him his seat. Instead Team Blue thanked him by making sure his seat was eliminated off the map. Kinzinger bet wrong just like Liz Cheney bet wrong. (She thought J6 would tank Trump much further and clear a path for her to be the new dominant power player in the GOP) Their Anti Trump narrative was a last ditch attempt for both to not get wiped out from sitting elected office. The former 16th for Kinzinger operated geographically like a ring, that shrouded near the Wisconsin and Indiana border. In a mostly blue stronghold, Kinzinger knew his district was a ripe fat target for being shredded apart and his failures become a preview for Liz Cheney soon about to be roasted by new Wyoming contender and Trump backed Harriet Hageman.
Liz Cheney badly miscalculated a power move against Trump, much in same narcissist vein that The Big Cheeto miscalculated how badly J6 would hurt what was left of his slim political future.
I see radical leftists here extol the virtues of Liz Cheney all the time. But why? She's so much more like Trump than people are willing to investigate and realize.
I'll leave this here for others to discuss.
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