Opinions on this trade? (1 Viewer)

[Mr.Pack]

Commissioner and his brother make this trade 10mins before the games start on Sunday. Commish and his brother are in the same Div. Brother is 4-0, Commish 1-3.

Side note: Brother has made stupid trades in the past and has admitted he doesn't care much about FF.

They played each other this past week as well.

Rosters before the trade:

Commish-

Hill, Shaun SFO QB

Rodgers, Aaron GBP QB

Grant, Ryan GBP

Jackson, Fred BUF RB

Jones, Julius SEA RB

Lynch, Marshawn BUF RB

Parker, Willie PIT RB

Stewart, Jonathan CAR RB

Burleson, Nate SEA WR

Caldwell, Andre CIN WR

Driver, Donald GBP WR

Moss, Santana WAS WR

White, Roddy ATL WR

Daniels, Owen HOU TE

Finley, Jermichael GBP TE

Vinatieri, Adam IND PK

Broncos, Denver DEN Def

His Brother-

Palmer, Carson CIN QB

Romo, Tony DAL QB

Sanchez, Mark NYJ QB

Barber, Marion DAL RB

Gore, Frank SFO RB

Smith, Kevin DET RB

Williams, Ricky MIA RB

Bennett, Earl CHI WR

Boldin, Anquan ARI WR

Bruce, Isaac SFO WR

Smith, Steve NYG WR

Williams, Roy DAL WR

Boss, Kevin NYG TE

Davis, Vernon SFO TE

Akers, David PHI PK

Chargers, San Diego SDC Def

Commish trades Shaun Hill to his Brother for Carson Palmer.

On the surface it's not a bad trade, not the best, but not the worst. But there are obvious underlying intentions here.

Another thing that pisses me off is his Brother made this stupid trade, but never picked up a DEF, and ended up getting beat by brother commish.

I think this is quite obvious that 4-0 brother was helping out Commish to get a win. Crazy as it sounds, but the history is there.

What would you do? Am I crazy? I don't think so.

Also, they are in a different division as me, so this doesn't impact me at all, I am in first at 4-1.

 

[GregR_2]

Certainly has a few things about it to make it smell fishy. Palmer is much more highly regarded as the better player and is outscoring Hill. The team getting Hill used to have Palmer (bye week 8), Romo (bye week 6) and Sanchez (bye week 9), so was in good bye week shape. After the trade he has Hill with bye week 6, the same as Romo, so all he has now is Sanchez for next week, much worse situation.

If I were the commish this would be one of those where I'd be asking both owners if this was the entire trade or if the trade was performed for other reasons (i.e. cash changed hands... 2 part trade they planned to do later)... and ask them to explain how the trade benefits their team. With of course the guy who gave away Palmer being the one whose answer would be more closely scrutinized. It would have to be a pretty convincing argument for me to think this was a transaction a reasonable FF owner could believe helps his team. And "Hill has Crabtree to throw to now" wouldn't be nearly enough. If nothing else I think any reasonable owner would expect he could get a lot more for Palmer than he got, even if he truly did believe that Hill was better.

 

[Garrett]

If you are playing in a league where it is no big deal if a team just happens to not even start a defense, I would just look for a more competitive league. What is the point of spending much time researching/drafting a team when other people are just throwing out random lineups.

 

[Mr.Pack]

Certainly has a few things about it to make it smell fishy. Palmer is much more highly regarded as the better player and is outscoring Hill. The team getting Hill used to have Palmer (bye week 8), Romo (bye week 6) and Sanchez (bye week 9), so was in good bye week shape. After the trade he has Hill with bye week 6, the same as Romo, so all he has now is Sanchez for next week, much worse situation.

If I were the commish this would be one of those where I'd be asking both owners if this was the entire trade or if the trade was performed for other reasons (i.e. cash changed hands... 2 part trade they planned to do later)... and ask them to explain how the trade benefits their team. With of course the guy who gave away Palmer being the one whose answer would be more closely scrutinized. It would have to be a pretty convincing argument for me to think this was a transaction a reasonable FF owner could believe helps his team. And "Hill has Crabtree to throw to now" wouldn't be nearly enough. If nothing else I think any reasonable owner would expect he could get a lot more for Palmer than he got, even if he truly did believe that Hill was better.

The commish is the one who got Palmer from his brother.

 

[Crippler]

All would be good with me that the better team took a loss and gave up the best player. Should help you

 

[Mr.Pack]

If you are playing in a league where it is no big deal if a team just happens to not even start a defense, I would just look for a more competitive league. What is the point of spending much time researching/drafting a team when other people are just throwing out random lineups.

This league cost $100 each team.We are all friends.This same crap happens with this same guy every year. Never thought the commish would get involved in these stupid trades. We had a huge blow up last year after this same guy who was like 2-7 at the time traded away Randy Moss for Nate Burleson I believe.

 

[Mr.Pack]

All would be good with me that the better team took a loss and gave up the best player. Should help you

All of this is true. I am not even in the same division. It just kills the integrity of the league when he makes these deals. And now that the commissioner is on the winning end of, makes it stink that much more.

 

[Instinctive]

Yep. 99.9% of the time I say stay out of it, maybe that owner is simply smarter than you are.

Not in this one. Really stinks of collusion.

 

[Mr.Pack]

Yep. 99.9% of the time I say stay out of it, maybe that owner is simply smarter than you are.

Not in this one. Really stinks of collusion.

I agree. Normally the 1-4 team would be making these deals, but the history here doesn't pass the sniff test.

 

[Chaka]

Yep. 99.9% of the time I say stay out of it, maybe that owner is simply smarter than you are.

Not in this one. Really stinks of collusion.

I agree. Normally the 1-4 team would be making these deals, but the history here doesn't pass the sniff test.

Which history? Being the brother of the commish or making stupid trades every single year?Stupid people seldom get smrter.

 

[Mr.Pack]

Yep. 99.9% of the time I say stay out of it, maybe that owner is simply smarter than you are.

Not in this one. Really stinks of collusion.

I agree. Normally the 1-4 team would be making these deals, but the history here doesn't pass the sniff test.

Which history? Being the brother of the commish or making stupid trades every single year?

Stupid people seldom get smrter.

Agreed, my brother said the same thing, and you both are right. I guess the thing that is setting me off here is that the commish got involved in one of these stupid trades. I am a commish myself and I distance myself from stupid trades, anything that will even seem like collusion or shady, and I expect other commissioners to do the same.

 

[HULLOBUDMAN]

Bengals were playing Baltimore and were on the road.

SF was playing ATL and SF was at home.

I say manage your own team and let other people manage their own. If everyone in this league are friends, why raise a stink when easily explainable? If it happens every year and you keep joining the smae league you have no one to blame but yourself.

 

[Sweet Love]

Why would a 4-0 team tank? If anything, the lopsidede trades should be going to the "brother" if you think they are trying to load up. Shaun Hill does not equal Carson Palmer, but neither are world beaters. I see a trade like this at least 2 times a year in each league, and in the end, it usually ends up being a 50/50 split as to whether it works out.

 

[Mr. Anonymous]

Just for reference, I'm about to propose a Slaton and T. Edwards for (RB) and Palmer trade. In other words, a Slaton for Palmer trade. Shaun Hill is on waivers and the only way he would be involved is if the guy I'm trading with cuts Edwards and picks him up. Hill is not even the best player available on waivers.

I don't like vetoing trades, but I am a believer in asking for a justification of such a trade. What was the thinking. "Some people have questioned this trade. Could each of you explain what the thinking was behind it."

I'd get out of this league eventually, although if you are winning and taking money I guess that's a different story.

 

[Chaka]

Yep. 99.9% of the time I say stay out of it, maybe that owner is simply smarter than you are.

Not in this one. Really stinks of collusion.

I agree. Normally the 1-4 team would be making these deals, but the history here doesn't pass the sniff test.

Which history? Being the brother of the commish or making stupid trades every single year?

Stupid people seldom get smrter.

Agreed, my brother said the same thing, and you both are right. I guess the thing that is setting me off here is that the commish got involved in one of these stupid trades. I am a commish myself and I distance myself from stupid trades, anything that will even seem like collusion or shady, and I expect other commissioners to do the same.

I think you are the one who is making the mistake not to get involved in trades. I get that perception is reality and all that however I would suggest never getting involved in a league commished by someone whose integrity you would even remotely question under any circumstances (or by extension have league mates who would question yours).

 

[FUBAR]

Yep. 99.9% of the time I say stay out of it, maybe that owner is simply smarter than you are.

Not in this one. Really stinks of collusion.

I agree. Normally the 1-4 team would be making these deals, but the history here doesn't pass the sniff test.

Which history? Being the brother of the commish or making stupid trades every single year?

Stupid people seldom get smrter.

Agreed, my brother said the same thing, and you both are right. I guess the thing that is setting me off here is that the commish got involved in one of these stupid trades. I am a commish myself and I distance myself from stupid trades, anything that will even seem like collusion or shady, and I expect other commissioners to do the same.

I think you are the one who is making the mistake not to get involved in trades. I get that perception is reality and all that however I would suggest never getting involved in a league commished by someone whose integrity you would even remotely question under any circumstances (or by extension have league mates who would question yours).

The thing is you and every other owner have decided to play in this league and keep a guy in who you know keeps making stupid trades and happens to be brothers with the commish. I won't insult you for choosing to play with friends but if you know a team is making bad deals and you want to keep him in the league and remain yourself, you have noone to blame but yourself if you don't make him offers. I've found that some of the owners I want to keep around (because they're good friends) may not be the most knowledgeable or best at making deals but if enough people offer them deals they usually make better deals. It's almost like we're collectively helping them. But yes, this trade is bad and looks like collusion.

 

[GregR_2]

Certainly has a few things about it to make it smell fishy. Palmer is much more highly regarded as the better player and is outscoring Hill. The team getting Hill used to have Palmer (bye week 8), Romo (bye week 6) and Sanchez (bye week 9), so was in good bye week shape. After the trade he has Hill with bye week 6, the same as Romo, so all he has now is Sanchez for next week, much worse situation.

If I were the commish this would be one of those where I'd be asking both owners if this was the entire trade or if the trade was performed for other reasons (i.e. cash changed hands... 2 part trade they planned to do later)... and ask them to explain how the trade benefits their team. With of course the guy who gave away Palmer being the one whose answer would be more closely scrutinized. It would have to be a pretty convincing argument for me to think this was a transaction a reasonable FF owner could believe helps his team. And "Hill has Crabtree to throw to now" wouldn't be nearly enough. If nothing else I think any reasonable owner would expect he could get a lot more for Palmer than he got, even if he truly did believe that Hill was better.

The commish is the one who got Palmer from his brother.

I meant, those are the steps I would suggest being taken. Yes, your commish is one of the people involved, so whoever is responsible for deciding issues that involve the commish would be the one taking those steps. Whether that be some assistant or co-commish, or whether it comes down to the league as a whole that is not involved have to investigate and then vote on it... those are the steps I'd suggest going about it so they have a chance to explain their rationale, and so it is known what the measure is going to be for evaluating their answer (i.e. that it's not just because the trade is a bad deal for one guy that is the issue, but that it's so bad it's difficult to believe a reasonable person could have done it in good faith).

 

[cstu]

Whether or not it's actually collusion (virtually impossible to prove), it certainly appears to be. I've learned the hard way not to stay in leagues like these, even with friends.

 

[Pnishthm]

I think the commish is a coward just like the basketball coach for Missouri and should be castrated!

 

[Dr. Octopus]

All would be good with me that the better team took a loss and gave up the best player. Should help you

All of this is true. I am not even in the same division. It just kills the integrity of the league when he makes these deals. And now that the commissioner is on the winning end of, makes it stink that much more.

Not only is the commish on the winning end, this trade and the circumstances of the trade (and not starting a defense) was clearly a collusive effort. Commish would have had to start Shaun Hill (with Rodgers on a bye) and his brother "gave" him Palmer and subtly "laid" down by not starting a defense.Getting Hill was of no benefit to the brother - a Palmer/Romo matchup QB is a much better option than Hill/Romo. Even if you wanted to argue that Hill and Palmer are even what would be the point of teh switch from the borther's perspective.There is plenty of evidence of collusion here. At the very least it should be brought up so that it doesn't happen again.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Bengals were playing Baltimore and were on the road. SF was playing ATL and SF was at home.

but the brother had no reason to start either Palmer (who was on his team) or Hill (who he traded for) since he had Romo playing KC, he clearly helped his brother/commish out by giving him what the commish obviously considered the better start.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Why would a 4-0 team tank? If anything, the lopsidede trades should be going to the "brother" if you think they are trying to load up. Shaun Hill does not equal Carson Palmer, but neither are world beaters. I see a trade like this at least 2 times a year in each league, and in the end, it usually ends up being a 50/50 split as to whether it works out.

perhaps he thought he'd be ok at 4-1 but his brother's (commish) team would be finished with another loss.

 

[FantasyTrader]

This is flat out collusion. That said, you're not getting anywhere by raising a stink about it. The trade will still stand regardless.

Your path is clear. Say nothing, win the league and politely decline next year.

 

[Breesisdaman]

Do you know these guys? Are you sure brother and commish are not the same person?

 

[MOAT]

Bengals were playing Baltimore and were on the road. SF was playing ATL and SF was at home.

but the brother had no reason to start either Palmer (who was on his team) or Hill (who he traded for) since he had Romo playing KC, he clearly helped his brother/commish out by giving him what the commish obviously considered the better start.

It would be pretty easy to pitch that SF just signed their #1 WR and that Hill's numbers should improve as a result. Aslo, SF has a decent playoff schedule. Wouldn't it be considered a shark move to pick up that type of player only to play them in the playoffs? I consider Palmer a better player but not a difference maker. CBS Sportline's projections for him are only 4 points more than Hill's. Perhaps it isn't just these brothers that would view the trade as fair.If you still seriously think it was collusion then either decide to call them out or finish the season and don't come back. If they are friends/neighbors then I strongly suggest to finish out the season and decide what to do after that.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Bengals were playing Baltimore and were on the road. SF was playing ATL and SF was at home.

but the brother had no reason to start either Palmer (who was on his team) or Hill (who he traded for) since he had Romo playing KC, he clearly helped his brother/commish out by giving him what the commish obviously considered the better start.

It would be pretty easy to pitch that SF just signed their #1 WR and that Hill's numbers should improve as a result. Aslo, SF has a decent playoff schedule. Wouldn't it be considered a shark move to pick up that type of player only to play them in the playoffs? I consider Palmer a better player but not a difference maker. CBS Sportline's projections for him are only 4 points more than Hill's. Perhaps it isn't just these brothers that would view the trade as fair.If you still seriously think it was collusion then either decide to call them out or finish the season and don't come back. If they are friends/neighbors then I strongly suggest to finish out the season and decide what to do after that.

The actual trade of Hill or Palmer really isn't the issue, its the circumstances surrounding the trade. I dseriously doubt you would find many people that would prefer Hill to Palmer (Crabtree will manke 0 impact this season), but even if you said that they were an even swap, why did the brother make the trade.Evidence of collusion:1. Brothers. The one who really doesn't care about fantasy football much is the one on the "alleged" short end. The other brother cares enough to be the league commish. 2. One brother is 4-0 (can afford a loss), other brother is 1-3 (cannot afford a loss).3. They are playing eachother and the brother gives a "better" QB to his brother/commish for their matchup when his starter has a bye. Brother does not need Hill (or Palmer) for that week - Romo v. KC is his starter. Why make the deal?4. Brother does not repalce a bye week defense. Helping his brother/cmmish out further.Things just make the deal look shady. Maybe its innocent and his brother really likes Shaun Hill - but the issue should be brought up or its going to happen again in the future. Who wants to be in a legue where this stuff happens?

 

[cheese]

Any chance he traded Palmer because he wanted his opponent to start him @ Baltimore thinking that would lead to a terrible score from his opponent's QB?

 

[Aardvarks]

Shaun Hill is off this wk, the dude starts gunslinger Romo anyway... brotherly collusion....

That trade must be disallowed via league mutiny. That's not how FF is supposed to go down.

 

[D'OHtis]

Moss for Burleson around Week 10 last year??

Didn't Nate tear his ACL like Week 1?

 

[cheese]

Shaun Hill is off this wk, the dude starts gunslinger Romo anyway... brotherly collusion....That trade must be disallowed via league mutiny. That's not how FF is supposed to go down.

They made the trade before last weeks games. Who is on a bye this week means next to nothing.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Any chance he traded Palmer because he wanted his opponent to start him @ Baltimore thinking that would lead to a terrible score from his opponent's QB?

Baltimore has a bad pass defense (statistically at least).

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Shaun Hill is off this wk, the dude starts gunslinger Romo anyway... brotherly collusion....That trade must be disallowed via league mutiny. That's not how FF is supposed to go down.

They made the trade before last weeks games. Who is on a bye this week means next to nothing.

I think his point was that he traded for a backup QB (Hill) that has the same bye as his starter (Romo) further showing why this trade stinks.

 

[Chaka]

Any chance he traded Palmer because he wanted his opponent to start him @ Baltimore thinking that would lead to a terrible score from his opponent's QB?

Baltimore has a bad pass defense (statistically at least).

This means very little to owners who don't pay attention.All you need to do is say Baltimore defense and plenty of silly owners fall all over themselves benching their star players.

 

[shredhead]

I haven't read through the responses, but if this were collusion, wouldn't the 2 brothers collude to help out the 4-0 team rather than the 1-3 team?

 

[cstu]

I haven't read through the responses, but if this were collusion, wouldn't the 2 brothers collude to help out the 4-0 team rather than the 1-3 team?

They were trying to help turn around the 1-3 team.

 

[UTLonghorn31]

I had a trade go down in my league

Prior to week 5

Manning owner sends Favre to Brees owner (has bye), who had no backup QB for WR Manningham

At the completion of week 5, Prior to Week 6

Brees owner sends back Favre to Manning owner (now his bye) who had no backup for Manningham

This is in a league of coworkers and "Christian" men... Let's just say I ruffled a lot of feathers by proclaiming this as cheating and collusion. What say you on this situation?

 

[Pnishthm]

I had a trade go down in my leaguePrior to week 5Manning owner sends Favre to Brees owner (has bye), who had no backup QB for WR ManninghamAt the completion of week 5, Prior to Week 6Brees owner sends back Favre to Manning owner (now his bye) who had no backup for ManninghamThis is in a league of coworkers and "Christian" men... Let's just say I ruffled a lot of feathers by proclaiming this as cheating and collusion. What say you on this situation?

Yes this is cheating and collusion.

 

[GregR_2]

I had a trade go down in my leaguePrior to week 5Manning owner sends Favre to Brees owner (has bye), who had no backup QB for WR ManninghamAt the completion of week 5, Prior to Week 6Brees owner sends back Favre to Manning owner (now his bye) who had no backup for ManninghamThis is in a league of coworkers and "Christian" men... Let's just say I ruffled a lot of feathers by proclaiming this as cheating and collusion. What say you on this situation?

I think this is a situation where a lot of people don't realize it's wrong at first. If I were handling the issue, I would be careful about how I brought the subject up. Saying something that is interpreted as an accusation of cheating just sets you up in an adversarial relationship to where they will be less likely to listen to your reasoning and less likely try to understand why the action is wrong. That's actually a good way to put it, that I'd focus on why the action is wrong and not say something that makes it sound like the person is wrong, if that makes sense.I'd probably approach it by trying to give a clear explanation of why it is bad to have happen in a league. I think most reasonable people will understand it once it is explained well. And then agree and the problem will hopefully go away and not be repeated now that everyone understands. Of course some people know what they are doing is unethical, and you have to deal with that as it comes.

 

[habsfan]

Others have said it but at the end of the day, what's your recourse here?

To continue to participate in this league likely requires that you quietly accept these sorts of "injustices". If you can't shrug your shoulders at this sort of thing, decline next year. Alternatively you can wait until the off season and table the issue of how trades involving the commish are handled from a rules standpoint. It doesn't sound like you have a formalized process for that.

 

[Fat Nick]

What kind of league lets you make trades final and play players 10 minutes before the start of a game?

To me, there's part of your issue. It doesn't sound like you even have a procedure in place to complain about collusion or veto trades if the trade was made 10 minutes prior to game time and the players were rostered for that week.

 

[xenith]

time to find a new league dude. that is an obvious slim shady commish.