Otis diet fad of the month thread - Potato mania!!1 (1 Viewer)

[Otis]

Always a good idea to make drastic dietary and lifestyle changes when your wife just got home from the hospital after giving birth.

Exactly what she said.

I missed the announcement post- where did you slip the news in?? Congrats!

TY GB.

 

[belljr]

Serious question... how long does it take you to walk 8 miles slb

 

[St. Louis Bob]

Serious question... how long does it take you to walk 8 miles slb

It depends on how much I'm working and typing. Today it took me 2 hours 10 minutes.

I walked a half marathon a couple of years ago in 3:05. I could have finished below 3 hours but I either misread the clock at the 12 mile marker or it was wrong. I actually stopped to talk to my cousin that was in town from Chicago when I didn't think I had a chance at a sub three hour finish.

 

[belljr]

thanks... I need to start doing something more active than my bike

 

[Statcruncher]

With headlines like “Saturated Fat is Not Your Heart’s Enemy,” and “NOT GUILTY: The Long-Standing Vilification of Saturated Fat Finally Turning to Vindication,”(23,24) some of the media and blog coverage of these studies would have you believe that scientists had given a green light to eating bacon, butter, and cheese. But that’s an oversimplified and erroneous interpretation. Read the study and subsequent studies more closely, and the message is more nuanced: Cutting back on saturated fat can be good for health if people replace saturated fat with good fats, especially, polyunsaturated fats. (16,25) Eating good fats in place of saturated fat lowers the “bad” LDL cholesterol, and it improves the ratio of total cholesterol to “good” HDL cholesterol, lowering the risk of heart disease. Eating good fats in place of saturated fat can also help prevent insulin resistance, a precursor to diabetes. (26)

Cutting back on saturated fat will likely have no benefit, however, if people replace saturated fat with refined carbohydrates—white bread, white rice, mashed potatoes, sugary drinks, and the like. Eating refined carbs in place of saturated fat does lower “bad” LDL cholesterol—but it also lowers the “good” HDL cholesterol and increases triglycerides. The net effect is as bad for the heart as eating too much saturated fat—and perhaps even worse for people who have insulin resistance because they are overweight or inactive. (17,25)

(source: some dummies at harvard)

Lol, that at using that Harvard article as your reference. Why didn't you quote the paragraph directly above the one you did quote?

There’s been controversy brewing over the past decade about just how bad saturated fat is for health. Fueling the debate, in part, has been the resurgence of the Atkins Diet, which eschews carbs but allows liberal use of high-fat foods, including foods high in saturated fat—butter, bacon, steak, cheese, and the like. (20) More recently, several studies seemed to suggest that eating diets high in saturated fat did not raise the risk of heart disease—a finding that ran counter to decades of dietary advice. (21,22) One highly-publicized report analyzed the findings of 21 studies that followed 350,000 people for up to 23 years. Investigators looked at the relationship between saturated fat intake and coronary heart disease (CHD), stroke, and cardiovascular disease (CVD). Their controversial conclusion: “There is insufficient evidence from prospective epidemiologic studies to conclude that dietary saturated fat is associated with an increased risk of CHD, stroke, or CVD.”(21)

Bump for icon. Trying to figure out why he quoted from an article but but omitted the paragraph where they say they couldn't establish a link between saturated fat and risk of CHD, stroke, or CVD. I also find it humorous that this article after stating that they couldn't link saturated fat to anything then continues on for pages saying people should reduce their saturated fat intake.

 

[[icon]]

Serious question... how long does it take you to walk 8 miles slb

It depends on how much I'm working and typing. Today it took me 2 hours 10 minutes.

I walked a half marathon a couple of years ago in 3:05. I could have finished below 3 hours but I either misread the clock at the 12 mile marker or it was wrong. I actually stopped to talk to my cousin that was in town from Chicago when I didn't think I had a chance at a sub three hour finish.

A guy at the office here has made the move to a standing desk but nobody's made a move to a treadmill desk. Read a cool article on them via Wired Magazine (I think?). I think the verdict was mixed...depending on how focused you had to be while working.

 

[Chaka]

I can't think of one drawback to taking in massive amounts of saturated fat over a long period of time.

When I went low-carb back in like '06, I had bloodwork done right before I started and then again 6 months later. Talked to the doc after the first test and he scolded me pretty harshly about my cholesterol levels being so high for a guy my age. And then after 6 months of "massive amounts of saturated fat" I talked to him after the bloodwork came in. "Holy sh## how did you get your cholesterol down so fast?"

I had dropped over 40 lbs and literally every aspect of my bloodwork was significantly improved.

Same exact experience here.

All my levels went down very significantly. I'll dig up the numbers tomorrow.

Interesting. How often do you guys get bloodwork done?

I got it done before I started the keto diet and then every 6 months since.

Since it was so high in foods with lots of cholesterol, I wanted to make sure I wasn't killing myself by losing weight.

I found my reports.

Total Cholesterol in 2011: 201

Total Cholesterol in 2013: 139

Triglycerides in 2011: 144

Triglycerides in 2013: 39

That's as of October of last year

Not to be an alarmist but that sounds like a dangerously low cholesterol level (yes there is such a thing). Do you know your ratios?

 

[St. Louis Bob]

thanks... I need to start doing something more active than my bike

You're welcome.

Serious question... how long does it take you to walk 8 miles slb

It depends on how much I'm working and typing. Today it took me 2 hours 10 minutes.

I walked a half marathon a couple of years ago in 3:05. I could have finished below 3 hours but I either misread the clock at the 12 mile marker or it was wrong. I actually stopped to talk to my cousin that was in town from Chicago when I didn't think I had a chance at a sub three hour finish.

A guy at the office here has made the move to a standing desk but nobody's made a move to a treadmill desk. Read a cool article on them via Wired Magazine (I think?). I think the verdict was mixed...depending on how focused you had to be while working.

I walk outside. I use my phone to reply to e-mails.

I also sell office furniture and the stand up desks have been around for a long time. I remember 15 years ago or the predictions on how they would displace traditional desks.

 

[Otis]

God do I have a splitting headache and feel like hell. This can't possibly be from not eating carbs for 48 hours, can it??

 

[Keerock]

God do I have a splitting headache and feel like hell. This can't possibly be from not eating carbs for 48 hours, can it??

A new baby will do that too... Expect it to last another couple days. Excedrin Migraine was my friend.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

God do I have a splitting headache and feel like hell. This can't possibly be from not eating carbs for 48 hours, can it??

I recommend truly staggering amounts of coffee.

 

[hagmania]

keto flu's not hard, you'll make it through, and feel better on the other side imo.

 

[[icon]]

God do I have a splitting headache and feel like hell. This can't possibly be from not eating carbs for 48 hours, can it??

What others have said... it will pass. You've got this.

You want to feel the super mega energy boost buzz, don't ya?

 

[Chaka]

Good luck Otis. I know you have struggled with this for awhile and I hope you eventually find the plan that works for you.

 

[Otis]

God do I have a splitting headache and feel like hell. This can't possibly be from not eating carbs for 48 hours, can it??

A new baby will do that too... Expect it to last another couple days. Excedrin Migraine was my friend.

I literally took those 30 mins ago. Massive help.

 

[BassNBrew]

I thought Atkins forbid alcohol of any type for the first week???

 

[Otis]

I thought Atkins forbid alcohol of any type for the first week???

I forbid Atkins from screwing with my alcohol. How do you like them apples.

 

[glock]

I thought Atkins forbid alcohol of any type for the first week???

And I don't see mention of caffeine. For as long as you want to remain in true fat burning mode.

 

[glock]

keto flu's not hard, you'll make it through, and feel better on the other side imo.

If this diet thing was so easy, then we'd all be rails. Then what??

 

[glock]

God do I have a splitting headache and feel like hell. This can't possibly be from not eating carbs for 48 hours, can it??

Can you say, "withdrawal?"

 

[General Malaise]

I thought Atkins forbid alcohol of any type for the first week???

And I don't see mention of caffeine. For as long as you want to remain in true fat burning mode.

bullocks

 

[culdeus]

I thought Atkins forbid alcohol of any type for the first week???

I forbid Atkins from screwing with my alcohol. How do you like them apples.

I thought Atkins forbid alcohol of any type for the first week???

I forbid Atkins from screwing with my alcohol. How do you like them apples.

I seriously doubt you have keto flu 2 days in. If you are actually drinking booze right now with any regularity what you are probably doing is creating major mess. When drinking you give your liver only 25% of it's ability to use fat for fuel for one hour per drink (roughly). So if it doesn't find any carbs then it freaks out and tries to tackle protein for glucogenesis, but it's bad at that because you've been eating so much #### for so long and your liver is otherwise occupied. All of these processes produce lots of acid and discomfort when not well controlled.

You need to give your body a fighting chance of adjusting to a new fuel source.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

I thought Atkins forbid alcohol of any type for the first week???

And I don't see mention of caffeine. For as long as you want to remain in true fat burning mode.

bullocks

Caffeine is fine on Atkins. I just checked the FAQ.

 

[Slapdash]

With headlines like “Saturated Fat is Not Your Heart’s Enemy,” and “NOT GUILTY: The Long-Standing Vilification of Saturated Fat Finally Turning to Vindication,”(23,24) some of the media and blog coverage of these studies would have you believe that scientists had given a green light to eating bacon, butter, and cheese. But that’s an oversimplified and erroneous interpretation. Read the study and subsequent studies more closely, and the message is more nuanced: Cutting back on saturated fat can be good for health if people replace saturated fat with good fats, especially, polyunsaturated fats. (16,25) Eating good fats in place of saturated fat lowers the “bad” LDL cholesterol, and it improves the ratio of total cholesterol to “good” HDL cholesterol, lowering the risk of heart disease. Eating good fats in place of saturated fat can also help prevent insulin resistance, a precursor to diabetes. (26)

Cutting back on saturated fat will likely have no benefit, however, if people replace saturated fat with refined carbohydrates—white bread, white rice, mashed potatoes, sugary drinks, and the like. Eating refined carbs in place of saturated fat does lower “bad” LDL cholesterol—but it also lowers the “good” HDL cholesterol and increases triglycerides. The net effect is as bad for the heart as eating too much saturated fat—and perhaps even worse for people who have insulin resistance because they are overweight or inactive. (17,25)

(source: some dummies at harvard)

Lol, that at using that Harvard article as your reference. Why didn't you quote the paragraph directly above the one you did quote?

There’s been controversy brewing over the past decade about just how bad saturated fat is for health. Fueling the debate, in part, has been the resurgence of the Atkins Diet, which eschews carbs but allows liberal use of high-fat foods, including foods high in saturated fat—butter, bacon, steak, cheese, and the like. (20) More recently, several studies seemed to suggest that eating diets high in saturated fat did not raise the risk of heart disease—a finding that ran counter to decades of dietary advice. (21,22) One highly-publicized report analyzed the findings of 21 studies that followed 350,000 people for up to 23 years. Investigators looked at the relationship between saturated fat intake and coronary heart disease (CHD), stroke, and cardiovascular disease (CVD). Their controversial conclusion: “There is insufficient evidence from prospective epidemiologic studies to conclude that dietary saturated fat is associated with an increased risk of CHD, stroke, or CVD.”(21)

Bump for icon. Trying to figure out why he quoted from an article but but omitted the paragraph where they say they couldn't establish a link between saturated fat and risk of CHD, stroke, or CVD. I also find it humorous that this article after stating that they couldn't link saturated fat to anything then continues on for pages saying people should reduce their saturated fat intake.

Doesn't seem like you are on icon's serious poster list. Please quit bringing up things that force him to think.

 

[Otis]

I thought Atkins forbid alcohol of any type for the first week???

I forbid Atkins from screwing with my alcohol. How do you like them apples.

I thought Atkins forbid alcohol of any type for the first week???

I forbid Atkins from screwing with my alcohol. How do you like them apples.

I seriously doubt you have keto flu 2 days in. If you are actually drinking booze right now with any regularity what you are probably doing is creating major mess. When drinking you give your liver only 25% of it's ability to use fat for fuel for one hour per drink (roughly). So if it doesn't find any carbs then it freaks out and tries to tackle protein for glucogenesis, but it's bad at that because you've been eating so much #### for so long and your liver is otherwise occupied. All of these processes produce lots of acid and discomfort when not well controlled.

You need to give your body a fighting chance of adjusting to a new fuel source.

I had one (1) scotch on the rocks last night. I'm not getting lit up here.

 

[Joe T]

I just went into the break room and there was a big box of delicious looking cookies in there. I walked right past it.

 

[culdeus]

I thought Atkins forbid alcohol of any type for the first week???

I forbid Atkins from screwing with my alcohol. How do you like them apples.

I thought Atkins forbid alcohol of any type for the first week???

I forbid Atkins from screwing with my alcohol. How do you like them apples.

I seriously doubt you have keto flu 2 days in. If you are actually drinking booze right now with any regularity what you are probably doing is creating major mess. When drinking you give your liver only 25% of it's ability to use fat for fuel for one hour per drink (roughly). So if it doesn't find any carbs then it freaks out and tries to tackle protein for glucogenesis, but it's bad at that because you've been eating so much #### for so long and your liver is otherwise occupied. All of these processes produce lots of acid and discomfort when not well controlled.

You need to give your body a fighting chance of adjusting to a new fuel source.

I had one (1) scotch on the rocks last night. I'm not getting lit up here.

Sorry for not keeping your food log handy.

go get some keto strips. They are like 5 bucks.

 

[chauncey]

I went 95% veggie/fruit blender shakes and smoked brisket/turkey the first few weeks of 2014, week 2 was miserable, weeks 3-5 I felt like Brad Cooper in Limitless. Unfortunately I slacked on the veggie/fruit shakes and cheat a few times a week with burritos & chips so now I'm back to feeling like a regular schlub. That post-withdrawal phase is better than any drug/sex I've ever had.

 

[Deepster]

God do I have a splitting headache and feel like hell. This can't possibly be from not eating carbs for 48 hours, can it??

Cut and pasted from Day 2 of the Juice Diet thread.

 

[xulf]

I just went into the break room and there was a big box of delicious looking cookies in there. I walked right past it.

Guy at my work bought like 12 boxes of girl scout cookies and just left them in the kitchen for everyone to eat.

 

[Joe T]

I just went into the break room and there was a big box of delicious looking cookies in there. I walked right past it.

Guy at my work bought like 12 boxes of girl scout cookies and just left them in the kitchen for everyone to eat.

These were kind of the big deli style cookies. Not girl scout. Although those would have been hard to resist too. fml

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

Otis has inspired me to try to confront my own failures. I'm going to go on a modified protein fast. I'm even going to (GASP) drink many of my calories.

Hopefully I can kind of break the food / reward code and then get back to doing more primal principles.

 

[Chaka]

That post-withdrawal phase is better than any drug/sex I've ever had.

Yeah, you're definitely doing it wrong.

 

[[icon]]

Bump for icon. Trying to figure out why he quoted from an article but but omitted the paragraph where they say they couldn't establish a link between saturated fat and risk of CHD, stroke, or CVD. I also find it humorous that this article after stating that they couldn't link saturated fat to anything then continues on for pages saying people should reduce their saturated fat intake.

Doesn't seem like you are on icon's serious poster list. Please quit bringing up things that force him to think.

The gift that keeps on giving... and giving

 

[Statcruncher]

Bump for icon. Trying to figure out why he quoted from an article but but omitted the paragraph where they say they couldn't establish a link between saturated fat and risk of CHD, stroke, or CVD. I also find it humorous that this article after stating that they couldn't link saturated fat to anything then continues on for pages saying people should reduce their saturated fat intake.

Doesn't seem like you are on icon's serious poster list. Please quit bringing up things that force him to think.

The gift that keeps on giving... and giving

The db that keeps on ducking and evading

 

[Widbil83]

U 3.5

 

[[icon]]

Bump for icon. Trying to figure out why he quoted from an article but but omitted the paragraph where they say they couldn't establish a link between saturated fat and risk of CHD, stroke, or CVD. I also find it humorous that this article after stating that they couldn't link saturated fat to anything then continues on for pages saying people should reduce their saturated fat intake.

Doesn't seem like you are on icon's serious poster list. Please quit bringing up things that force him to think.

The gift that keeps on giving... and giving

The db that keeps on ducking and evading

If you weren't so obsessed with trivial mattes you'd see that this was already settled and discussed above. Take some salt peter, a couple deep breaths, and repeat after me "it's just the internet".

It'll be alright, I promise

 

[chauncey]

I don't know Chaka. I've done my fair share of recreational drugs in my younger days and been with a range (small yet varied) of women enough to know that mental zone/high after the "flu" is hard to beat. Unless maybe you were referring to heroin and dudes, which I have not tried and if so I'll take your word on it

 

[Statcruncher]

If you weren't so obsessed with trivial mattes you'd see that this was already settled and discussed above. Take some salt peter, a couple deep breaths, and repeat after me "it's just the internet".

It'll be alright, I promise

True, you've proven you don't know #### about the actual discussion but are pretty boss at posting pics of fat people and emoticons. At least when you're doing that you're not posting antiquated erroneous beliefs.

 

[[icon]]

Jesus....

Such serious. Much obsess.

I wish I cared about anything as much as you care about policing this thread

 

[Homer J Simpson]

Sorry I missed some slapfighting, but I was busy signing up at the Y and working out. :flex:

 

[Slapdash]

Jesus....

Such serious. Much obsess.

I wish I cared about anything as much as you care about policing this thread

Who posted in: Otis diet fad of the month thread - A...Member name Posts [icon] 58 Otis 44 Slapdash 18 General Malaise 17 John Bender 17

 

[[icon]]

Jesus....

Such serious. Much obsess.

I wish I cared about anything as much as you care about policing this thread

Who posted in: Otis diet fad of the month thread - A...Member name Posts [icon] 58 Otis 44 Slapdash 18 General Malaise 17 John Bender 17

I don't think you understand what the difference between playfully trolling and seriously policing is. Culdy even called it two pages ago but that hasn't stopped you and stat boy from fighting over the empty hook. It's over fellas... Move along

 

[Politician Spock]

God do I have a splitting headache and feel like hell. This can't possibly be from not eating carbs for 48 hours, can it??

Cut and pasted from Day 2 of the Juice Diet thread.

New content isn't cheap.

 

[Chaka]

To be fair [icon] I don't think anything MT posted truly supported your opinion (either the one you say you were trying to make or the one others perceived you were trying to make).

Just sayin'

 

[MAC_32]

God do I have a splitting headache and feel like hell. This can't possibly be from not eating carbs for 48 hours, can it??

I am stunned.

 

[General Malaise]

Sorry I missed some slapfighting, but I was busy signing up at the Y and working out. :flex:

This thread is worse than reading the bible. I thought fat guys were supposed to be jolly?

 

[Homer J Simpson]

God do I have a splitting headache and feel like hell. This can't possibly be from not eating carbs for 48 hours, can it??

I am stunned.

Why are you posting in here again?

 

[General Malaise]

21 grams of carbohydrates in an apple? Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet.....I should have just had a pint of Old 'E for breakfast.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

Sorry I missed some slapfighting, but I was busy signing up at the Y and working out. :flex:

This thread is worse than reading the bible. I thought fat guys were supposed to be jolly?

It's the skinny bastards ruining everything.