Otis diet fad of the month thread - Potato mania!!1 (1 Viewer)

[bigbottom]

Someone (bender?) was talking about using a large shredder on cauliflower to make simulated rice?

Mashed cauliflower with butter makes for an excellent mashed potato substitute.

I made a cauliflower pizza a while back. It wasn't bad actually. Here's the recipe I used. http://www.domesticate-me.com/cauliflower-pizza-crust-with-roasted-vegetables-and-goat-cheese/

I added lean Italian sausage as well. The key is rolling out the cauliflower dough really thin so it will crisp up. The edges on my pizza were perfect, but the center was a bit too thick.

 

[Otis]

Last night killed my ketosis. (Peed on a strip this morning to confirm). It's amazing what a piece of birthday cake can do to atkins. I woke up feeling like garbage.

In the bright side, my will is only solidified now. It was kind of cool to see the test come out showing no ketones. Shows this was obviously working before. I also was starting to feel pretty great, have more energy, and cravings were subsiding. I'm committed on this thing, it's pretty cool how it works.

It will probably take me another two days or so to restart the ketosis. Not a big deal. In the bright side, the next major excuse event is a birthday brunch I'm throwing for my wife with friends and family in three weeks. Until then, no major obstacles.

Question: my mom was over last night and read me the riot act about how bad atkins is for you, and how bad a meat based diet is, and how she's worried about my heart and colon cancer. I tried to tell her that her thinking is dated by like 20 years and that modern science says otherwise. Anyone have a good link for a study that concluded atkins is not bad for you/does not pose any risks? TIA

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=116672

 

[John Bender]

Amazing that once you're months into this thing, you can actually feel your body being unhappy with something you ate.

For me, it wasn't birthday cake, but when I got hit with hidden carbs in tomato sauce or something (and the strips confirm it).

I know you're worried about brunch and your father in law, etc, but you shouldn't. You can find something to eat anywhere.

I just spent a week entertaining clients, going out to eat with old friends, and sitting in a fully catered all you can eat section of the Bear Trap at the Honda Classic. They didn't have any food I liked or could eat, I walked to the burger hut, got an Italian sausage and tossed the bun. Went with Lobster tail and vodka/soda when I went out to eat.

The airports all have a burrito type place where I can get, chicken, cheese, sour cream, guacamole and lettuce.

I didn't work out this week as I was away. I drank like a maniac Wednesday night, and still lost 3 lbs. it'll get to the point where you don't even feel like you're trying anymore. That's where it is for me anyway.

 

[Otis]

Amazing that once you're months into this thing, you can actually feel your body being unhappy with something you ate.

For me, it wasn't birthday cake, but when I got hit with hidden carbs in tomato sauce or something (and the strips confirm it).

I know you're worried about brunch and your father in law, etc, but you shouldn't. You can find something to eat anywhere.

I just spent a week entertaining clients, going out to eat with old friends, and sitting in a fully catered all you can eat section of the Bear Trap at the Honda Classic. They didn't have any food I liked or could eat, I walked to the burger hut, got an Italian sausage and tossed the bun. Went with Lobster tail and vodka/soda when I went out to eat.

The airports all have a burrito type place where I can get, chicken, cheese, sour cream, guacamole and lettuce.

I didn't work out this week as I was away. I drank like a maniac Wednesday night, and still lost 3 lbs. it'll get to the point where you don't even feel like you're trying anymore. That's where it is for me anyway.

I can see that. What's so cool to me about this diet is that you're leveraging the natural chemistry in your body to put it into a state in which it will burn its own fat automatically, even as you sit at your desk typing up some work crap. That's awesome.

I can see how people shouldn't be comfortable doing it long term, both for nutritional reasons and enjoying life reasons. But for those of us who have a bunch of excess fat to shed, it's pretty freaking cool.

 

[DropKick]

Last night killed my ketosis. (Peed on a strip this morning to confirm). It's amazing what a piece of birthday cake can do to atkins. I woke up feeling like garbage.

In the bright side, my will is only solidified now. It was kind of cool to see the test come out showing no ketones. Shows this was obviously working before. I also was starting to feel pretty great, have more energy, and cravings were subsiding. I'm committed on this thing, it's pretty cool how it works.

It will probably take me another two days or so to restart the ketosis. Not a big deal. In the bright side, the next major excuse event is a birthday brunch I'm throwing for my wife with friends and family in three weeks. Until then, no major obstacles.

Question: my mom was over last night and read me the riot act about how bad atkins is for you, and how bad a meat based diet is, and how she's worried about my heart and colon cancer. I tried to tell her that her thinking is dated by like 20 years and that modern science says otherwise. Anyone have a good link for a study that concluded atkins is not bad for you/does not pose any risks? TIA

That's the way it works...

You're mother is right to a point... While I think a meat based (or high protein) diet can be fine, it's people's (like yourself) extreme interpretation of Atkins that can be bad. Should a diet favor highly processed lunch meats over an apple? In an earlier post, someone actually said to eat a "side of beef" to satisfy hunger pains. I know they were exaggerating, but they meant it. Some people on Atkins do not place their own limit on how much is too much. Sure, you can get into ketosis and drop some weight rapidly - but is it healthy? What percentage of weight lost is fat? Or muscle? Can you keep it off? When you put it back on, will it be fat or muscle?

Too many people looking for the quick fix. You don't need a temporary "diet" but a life style change. I have a "food as fuel" mentality. I definitely limit carbs and avoid highly processed foods, high fructose corn syrup, etc. But I'll try to get a "balanced" diet too.

Drink 64 ounces of water daily; some even say an ounces for each two pounds of body weight. Exercise regularly. For some, this might just mean walking. Challenge yourself. if you walk for 30 minutes on weekdays, shoot for an hour or more on the weekend. Include resistance training if you can; weights or even body weight exercises. It takes more calories to sustain muscle. Eat better. Target natural, unprocessed foods; lean meats, nuts, beans, fruits, vegetables. If you have to have birthday cake, eat a smaller piece. Or skip it now and then.

You will lose the weight, just more gradually. You might even learn to appreciate exercise and/or food more. It takes commitment and discipline, which you appear to be lacking or you wouldn't eat birthday cake in the middle of the induction phase.

 

[General Malaise]

I drank 3 beers and a glass of red wine yesterday. I am going to give myself Friday night as a reward for two fasting days and four days running at least 3 miles over the last week...not to mention limiting carbs. I grilled steak and pork last night and also grilled up a bunch of chopped veggies in my grill basket. Despite my wife making her delicious baked rice, I passed on that for dinner. God do I love that stuff. But the beers and wine are no bueno so I'm off to the gym for an early run then I coach basketball and later work on baseball with my son. That will keep me busy and away from temptation of early weekend drinking. There are no beers in my house and I won't buy any at the store.

Otis, have fun today! Your wife is gorgeous. Mine is also 8 years younger. Hi five!

Homer, great job at the gym. Proud of you. Keep it up.

 

[Otis]

Last night killed my ketosis. (Peed on a strip this morning to confirm). It's amazing what a piece of birthday cake can do to atkins. I woke up feeling like garbage.

In the bright side, my will is only solidified now. It was kind of cool to see the test come out showing no ketones. Shows this was obviously working before. I also was starting to feel pretty great, have more energy, and cravings were subsiding. I'm committed on this thing, it's pretty cool how it works.

It will probably take me another two days or so to restart the ketosis. Not a big deal. In the bright side, the next major excuse event is a birthday brunch I'm throwing for my wife with friends and family in three weeks. Until then, no major obstacles.

Question: my mom was over last night and read me the riot act about how bad atkins is for you, and how bad a meat based diet is, and how she's worried about my heart and colon cancer. I tried to tell her that her thinking is dated by like 20 years and that modern science says otherwise. Anyone have a good link for a study that concluded atkins is not bad for you/does not pose any risks? TIA

That's the way it works...

You're mother is right to a point... While I think a meat based (or high protein) diet can be fine, it's people's (like yourself) extreme interpretation of Atkins that can be bad. Should a diet favor highly processed lunch meats over an apple? In an earlier post, someone actually said to eat a "side of beef" to satisfy hunger pains. I know they were exaggerating, but they meant it. Some people on Atkins do not place their own limit on how much is too much. Sure, you can get into ketosis and drop some weight rapidly - but is it healthy? What percentage of weight lost is fat? Or muscle? Can you keep it off? When you put it back on, will it be fat or muscle?

Too many people looking for the quick fix. You don't need a temporary "diet" but a life style change. I have a "food as fuel" mentality. I definitely limit carbs and avoid highly processed foods, high fructose corn syrup, etc. But I'll try to get a "balanced" diet too.

Drink 64 ounces of water daily; some even say an ounces for each two pounds of body weight. Exercise regularly. For some, this might just mean walking. Challenge yourself. if you walk for 30 minutes on weekdays, shoot for an hour or more on the weekend. Include resistance training if you can; weights or even body weight exercises. It takes more calories to sustain muscle. Eat better. Target natural, unprocessed foods; lean meats, nuts, beans, fruits, vegetables. If you have to have birthday cake, eat a smaller piece. Or skip it now and then.

You will lose the weight, just more gradually. You might even learn to appreciate exercise and/or food more. It takes commitment and discipline, which you appear to be lacking or you wouldn't eat birthday cake in the middle of the induction phase.

I take issue with the bolded. I have no problem with committing to this, and will continue to. It's actually been pretty easy. Not going to bother explaining the excuse any further, but I can honestly say it wasn't for me. If I were going to cheat, there are other things in the house I would eat.

I'm locked and loaded. Chugging water like a mofo this morning to flush some of the crap out. Will hit the eggs and veggies hard today.

 

[Otis]

I drank 3 beers and a glass of red wine yesterday. I am going to give myself Friday night as a reward for two fasting days and four days running at least 3 miles over the last week...not to mention limiting carbs. I grilled steak and pork last night and also grilled up a bunch of chopped veggies in my grill basket. Despite my wife making her delicious baked rice, I passed on that for dinner. God do I love that stuff. But the beers and wine are no bueno so I'm off to the gym for an early run then I coach basketball and later work on baseball with my son. That will keep me busy and away from temptation of early weekend drinking. There are no beers in my house and I won't buy any at the store.

Otis, have fun today! Your wife is gorgeous. Mine is also 8 years younger. Hi five!

Homer, great job at the gym. Proud of you. Keep it up.

Thanks GB, we're studs. Looking forward to us being less fat studs.

Awesome job on the running. You keep that up you'll have no problems.

 

[culdeus]

Wait, are garbanzo beans bad for you? I'm having chickpeas in my salads every day now b/c I thought they were healthy.

Garbanzo beans are good food. Don't listen to the Atkins (irrational fear of carbs) or Paleo (irrational fear of legumes) peeps on that one.

agree here. More thoughts probably Monday after I recover from a Joe t dinner and Robert earl keen concert. :cheatday:

 

[John Bender]

Again, I'll just say this as there's still new folks coming out talking about how unsustainable Atkins is.

(I should note, Oats isn't really doing Atkins, it's more his own version of a ketogenic diet because nuts and alcohol aren't allowed the first 2 weeks).

There are some extremists who stay on induction too long. I have read everything one could possibly read on both sides of this and my opinion remains it's safe to stay on induction (20 grams via veggies only) for up to 4-6 months as long as you supplement with a potassium and magnesium vitamin.

After that, Atkins begins to get extremely more sustainable. You are still avoiding most processed crap but you are allowed fruits, starchier veggies, some whole wheat products all in moderation.

A person in the maintenance phase of Atkins can be as high as 100-120 grams of carbs a day with a variety of foods that most "change your lifestyle guys" eat anyway.

There's a fbg who years ago lost 160 lbs and shared his food log with me. The last year of his "diet" he was eating a baked potato a day and still losing.

The slam on Atkins I see here is its all beef and cheese. There are idiots out there who eat cheeseburgers every night. They are that, idiots.

Again, I eat fish 4 nights a week. And more vegetables than most unhealthy overweight Americans eat.

After ongoing weight loss rung 9. You're eating a bit of everything all in moderation with a focus on meat and vegetables.

Here's a sample meal plan from someone on Atkins maintenance.

2 eggs with mushrooms and spinach, 1/2 cup of blueberries (9 grams carbs)

Low carb tortilla with fajita style meat, 2 slices of tomato, a slice of onion, green bell pepper, mashed avocado. (17 grams of carbs)

Seared scallops in ginger soy glaze, steamed bok Choy with julienne carrots and Zucchini (17 grams)

And that's for someone who can maintain at 50 grams per day. Others, like I said, can get to 100.

Anyway, all respect for everyone's opinions, these are just my opinion based on experience and I'm obviously not an expert but I sent a few guys here my photos of 315 lb me to 185 me. 185 Atkins me runs 30 miles a week, and lifts 3 times a week, never naps, has clearer skin and feels better.

The only times it gets tricky is when you travel like I posted above and are forced to eat a little too much bacon, sausage, and other red meat.

 

[culdeus]

Last night killed my ketosis. (Peed on a strip this morning to confirm). It's amazing what a piece of birthday cake can do to atkins. I woke up feeling like garbage.

In the bright side, my will is only solidified now. It was kind of cool to see the test come out showing no ketones. Shows this was obviously working before. I also was starting to feel pretty great, have more energy, and cravings were subsiding. I'm committed on this thing, it's pretty cool how it works.

It will probably take me another two days or so to restart the ketosis. Not a big deal. In the bright side, the next major excuse event is a birthday brunch I'm throwing for my wife with friends and family in three weeks. Until then, no major obstacles.

Question: my mom was over last night and read me the riot act about how bad atkins is for you, and how bad a meat based diet is, and how she's worried about my heart and colon cancer. I tried to tell her that her thinking is dated by like 20 years and that modern science says otherwise. Anyone have a good link for a study that concluded atkins is not bad for you/does not pose any risks? TIA

There are certainty risks cooking non grass fed red meat past rare. Among those are bowel cancers among other issues. Even grass fed really shouldn't be cooked much past rare either.

I'm starting to buy the data which says mid rare red beef is roughly the same risk as smoking.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Well, today's breakfast was about the most unhealthy thing possible.

[Menu redacted in interest of sanity for the dieters]

Let's hope the rest of the day is good.

 

[parasaurolophus]

Again, I'll just say this as there's still new folks coming out talking about how unsustainable Atkins is.

(I should note, Oats isn't really doing Atkins, it's more his own version of a ketogenic diet because nuts and alcohol aren't allowed the first 2 weeks).

There are some extremists who stay on induction too long. I have read everything one could possibly read on both sides of this and my opinion remains it's safe to stay on induction (20 grams via veggies only) for up to 4-6 months as long as you supplement with a potassium and magnesium vitamin.

After that, Atkins begins to get extremely more sustainable. You are still avoiding most processed crap but you are allowed fruits, starchier veggies, some whole wheat products all in moderation.

A person in the maintenance phase of Atkins can be as high as 100-120 grams of carbs a day with a variety of foods that most "change your lifestyle guys" eat anyway.

There's a fbg who years ago lost 160 lbs and shared his food log with me. The last year of his "diet" he was eating a baked potato a day and still losing.

The slam on Atkins I see here is its all beef and cheese. There are idiots out there who eat cheeseburgers every night. They are that, idiots.

Again, I eat fish 4 nights a week. And more vegetables than most unhealthy overweight Americans eat.

After ongoing weight loss rung 9. You're eating a bit of everything all in moderation with a focus on meat and vegetables.

Here's a sample meal plan from someone on Atkins maintenance.

2 eggs with mushrooms and spinach, 1/2 cup of blueberries (9 grams carbs)

Low carb tortilla with fajita style meat, 2 slices of tomato, a slice of onion, green bell pepper, mashed avocado. (17 grams of carbs)

Seared scallops in ginger soy glaze, steamed bok Choy with julienne carrots and Zucchini (17 grams)

And that's for someone who can maintain at 50 grams per day. Others, like I said, can get to 100.

Anyway, all respect for everyone's opinions, these are just my opinion based on experience and I'm obviously not an expert but I sent a few guys here my photos of 315 lb me to 185 me. 185 Atkins me runs 30 miles a week, and lifts 3 times a week, never naps, has clearer skin and feels better.

The only times it gets tricky is when you travel like I posted above and are forced to eat a little too much bacon, sausage, and other red meat.

This is the biggest problem for me. Wife and I travel all the time and I swear each trip costs a couple pounds. I love my trips and look forward to them so much though and I dont want to change what I eat on them. Luckily because of running I have been able to get those pounds back now pretty quickly.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Last night killed my ketosis. (Peed on a strip this morning to confirm). It's amazing what a piece of birthday cake can do to atkins. I woke up feeling like garbage.

In the bright side, my will is only solidified now. It was kind of cool to see the test come out showing no ketones. Shows this was obviously working before. I also was starting to feel pretty great, have more energy, and cravings were subsiding. I'm committed on this thing, it's pretty cool how it works.

It will probably take me another two days or so to restart the ketosis. Not a big deal. In the bright side, the next major excuse event is a birthday brunch I'm throwing for my wife with friends and family in three weeks. Until then, no major obstacles.

Question: my mom was over last night and read me the riot act about how bad atkins is for you, and how bad a meat based diet is, and how she's worried about my heart and colon cancer. I tried to tell her that her thinking is dated by like 20 years and that modern science says otherwise. Anyone have a good link for a study that concluded atkins is not bad for you/does not pose any risks? TIA

There are certainty risks cooking non grass fed red meat past rare. Among those are bowel cancers among other issues. Even grass fed really shouldn't be cooked much past rare either.

I'm starting to buy the data which says mid rare red beef is roughly the same risk as smoking.

What data?

 

[Keerock]

HB GBHJS!

 

[snitwitch]

Last night killed my ketosis. (Peed on a strip this morning to confirm). It's amazing what a piece of birthday cake can do to atkins. I woke up feeling like garbage.

In the bright side, my will is only solidified now. It was kind of cool to see the test come out showing no ketones. Shows this was obviously working before. I also was starting to feel pretty great, have more energy, and cravings were subsiding. I'm committed on this thing, it's pretty cool how it works.

It will probably take me another two days or so to restart the ketosis. Not a big deal. In the bright side, the next major excuse event is a birthday brunch I'm throwing for my wife with friends and family in three weeks. Until then, no major obstacles.

Question: my mom was over last night and read me the riot act about how bad atkins is for you, and how bad a meat based diet is, and how she's worried about my heart and colon cancer. I tried to tell her that her thinking is dated by like 20 years and that modern science says otherwise. Anyone have a good link for a study that concluded atkins is not bad for you/does not pose any risks? TIA

There are certainty risks cooking non grass fed red meat past rare. Among those are bowel cancers among other issues. Even grass fed really shouldn't be cooked much past rare either.I'm starting to buy the data which says mid rare red beef is roughly the same risk as smoking.

What data?

Gotta be about eating charred or carbonized meat rather than internal doneness temp

 

[Homer J Simpson]

HB GBHJS!

Thanks GB.

Gotta do some math here. If each Miller Lite has 3.2 grams of carbs, and costs $5.50, and it's my birfday, and I'm taking out a ladyfriend, how badly am I going to destroy both this diet and my wallet tonight? X = How Bad....solve for X

X = SOOOOOOO BAD!!!

 

[Vike Me]

Dear Girl Scouts,

GFY.

Cordially Yours,

Vike Me

 

[Deepster]

on the bright side, my will is only solidified now. It was kind of cool to see the test come out showing no ketones. Shows this was obviously working before. I also was starting to feel pretty great, have more energy, and cravings were subsiding. I'm committed on this thing, it's pretty cool how it works.

Committed? You didn't last five days on the first try, GB.

 

[culdeus]

Last night killed my ketosis. (Peed on a strip this morning to confirm). It's amazing what a piece of birthday cake can do to atkins. I woke up feeling like garbage.

In the bright side, my will is only solidified now. It was kind of cool to see the test come out showing no ketones. Shows this was obviously working before. I also was starting to feel pretty great, have more energy, and cravings were subsiding. I'm committed on this thing, it's pretty cool how it works.

It will probably take me another two days or so to restart the ketosis. Not a big deal. In the bright side, the next major excuse event is a birthday brunch I'm throwing for my wife with friends and family in three weeks. Until then, no major obstacles.

Question: my mom was over last night and read me the riot act about how bad atkins is for you, and how bad a meat based diet is, and how she's worried about my heart and colon cancer. I tried to tell her that her thinking is dated by like 20 years and that modern science says otherwise. Anyone have a good link for a study that concluded atkins is not bad for you/does not pose any risks? TIA

There are certainty risks cooking non grass fed red meat past rare. Among those are bowel cancers among other issues. Even grass fed really shouldn't be cooked much past rare either.I'm starting to buy the data which says mid rare red beef is roughly the same risk as smoking.

What data?

Gotta be about eating charred or carbonized meat rather than internal doneness temp

Those two happen to be quite a bit more than correlated.

Here is some of the information on the subject.

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/will-eating-red-meat-kill-you/#axzz2ukUuCA5n

The latest studies are saying how you cook it are as important as what you cook.

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/is-gently-cooked-food-better-for-you/#axzz2ukVv3vaF

The most widespread quoted study is the WCRF 2007 study. It has a very negative red meat slant and pointed out specifically the colon cancer risk.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCkQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aicr.org%2Fassets%2Fdocs%2Fpdf%2Freports%2FSecond_Expert_Report.pdf&ei=_VESU6SkGsTB2wW5x4HADA&usg=AFQjCNGIgWRrTAjR6XKRc63gu1AK2jFMcA&sig2=IUluCXjHCnT0fa_rVyfrLA&bvm=bv.62286460,d.b2I

My general thoughts on red meat

Cook red meat indirect and far away from flame. This seems to be the highest risk thing you can do.

Corn fed cooked past medium rare quickly is a large risk and should be eaten sparingly (<1x month).

Grass fed cooked past medium rare isn't really even palatable, but may fall into this same category. It's too soon to tell.

Corn fed rare is generally low to no risk.

Grass fed rare is no risk and beneficial.

Smoked (<250) grass or corn is generally low risk.

If money is a concern go for leaner corn fed cuts and braise them or smoke them gently.

Red meat should be served with cruic. veg like broccoli or cauli and with a rub of rosemary, and/or rosemary on some tubers if you are into such things. Always balance corn fed meat with fish oil capsules.

Most of the risk in red meat is from corn fed cows cooked fast over flame for long periods. That seems to be the common denominator in these risk studies.

 

[General Malaise]

on the bright side, my will is only solidified now. It was kind of cool to see the test come out showing no ketones. Shows this was obviously working before. I also was starting to feel pretty great, have more energy, and cravings were subsiding. I'm committed on this thing, it's pretty cool how it works.

Committed? You didn't last five days on the first try, GB.

Lotta haters up in here, Otis. 5 good days with 1-2 off days won't stop you from the end goal here. At the end of the day, you're a winner...great career, hot younger wife, good social life, full head of hair. Lose the weight and these nay-sayers won't have a single solitary thing to poke fun of you for. Keep up the good work and have the last laugh. Enjoy this weekend, celebrate with your wife and get back on the wagon tomorrow. You da man...

 

[General Malaise]

3.5 miles in 30 minutes today. I sprinted the last minute at 10.2 MPH. Felt great. Since last Saturday, I've run more than 3 miles four times and pushed Hazel around in our jogging stroller in our hilly neighborhood over 2 miles another night. That's 5 good workouts in 7 days. Cutting out to way way down on the beer has probably been a better achievement for me. I have a much larger personal problem with over drinking beer than I do with overeating anything food related. If I come away with any major lifestyle change from this thread, I really hope it's a reduction of my beer intake over anything else, like running routinely or going lo-carb. Ideally, I'd love to strike a much healthier balance where I practice moderation in food, beer coupled with routine moderate exercise. Signing up for a half marathon two months in advance is a great motivator for me, so maybe I sign up for 3 a year or something....

tl;dr.....this thread is helping me work though some stuff and writing is cathartic for me.

 

[culdeus]

3.5 miles in 30 minutes today. I sprinted the last minute at 10.2 MPH. Felt great. Since last Saturday, I've run more than 3 miles four times and pushed Hazel around in our jogging stroller in our hilly neighborhood over 2 miles another night. That's 5 good workouts in 7 days. Cutting out to way way down on the beer has probably been a better achievement for me. I have a much larger personal problem with over drinking beer than I do with overeating anything food related. If I come away with any major lifestyle change from this thread, I really hope it's a reduction of my beer intake over anything else, like running routinely or going lo-carb. Ideally, I'd love to strike a much healthier balance where I practice moderation in food, beer coupled with routine moderate exercise. Signing up for a half marathon two months in advance is a great motivator for me, so maybe I sign up for 3 a year or something....

tl;dr.....this thread is helping me work though some stuff and writing is cathartic for me.

MFP made me realize I had a drinking problem. Not a giant one, but enough that I needed to address it.

That being said the fattest I ever got was when that beer forum sucked me in.

 

[Deepster]

on the bright side, my will is only solidified now. It was kind of cool to see the test come out showing no ketones. Shows this was obviously working before. I also was starting to feel pretty great, have more energy, and cravings were subsiding. I'm committed on this thing, it's pretty cool how it works.

Committed? You didn't last five days on the first try, GB.

Lotta haters up in here, Otis. 5 good days with 1-2 off days won't stop you from the end goal here. At the end of the day, you're a winner...great career, hot younger wife, good social life, full head of hair. Lose the weight and these nay-sayers won't have a single solitary thing to poke fun of you for. Keep up the good work and have the last laugh. Enjoy this weekend, celebrate with your wife and get back on the wagon tomorrow. You da man...

Maybe I'm a naysayer because I have been on a plant based diet for 14 months and, for the last 4 weeks gave up everything but fruits and vegetables. No booze, sugar, flour, eggs, dairy....because I wanted to try and put heathy foods in my body.

Sorry, if I don't feel bad he could only last five days eating bunless cheeseburgers and scotch.

 

[MAC_32]

on the bright side, my will is only solidified now. It was kind of cool to see the test come out showing no ketones. Shows this was obviously working before. I also was starting to feel pretty great, have more energy, and cravings were subsiding. I'm committed on this thing, it's pretty cool how it works.

Committed? You didn't last five days on the first try, GB.

Lotta haters up in here, Otis. 5 good days with 1-2 off days won't stop you from the end goal here. At the end of the day, you're a winner...great career, hot younger wife, good social life, full head of hair. Lose the weight and these nay-sayers won't have a single solitary thing to poke fun of you for. Keep up the good work and have the last laugh. Enjoy this weekend, celebrate with your wife and get back on the wagon tomorrow. You da man...

Maybe I'm a naysayer because I have been on a plant based diet for 14 months and, for the last 4 weeks gave up everything but fruits and vegetables. No booze, sugar, flour, eggs, dairy....because I wanted to try and put heathy foods in my body.

Sorry, if I don't feel bad he could only last five days eating bunless cheeseburgers and scotch.

gotta realize most don't want to be on that extreme side of the fence though.

 

[Deepster]

on the bright side, my will is only solidified now. It was kind of cool to see the test come out showing no ketones. Shows this was obviously working before. I also was starting to feel pretty great, have more energy, and cravings were subsiding. I'm committed on this thing, it's pretty cool how it works.

Committed? You didn't last five days on the first try, GB.

Lotta haters up in here, Otis. 5 good days with 1-2 off days won't stop you from the end goal here. At the end of the day, you're a winner...great career, hot younger wife, good social life, full head of hair. Lose the weight and these nay-sayers won't have a single solitary thing to poke fun of you for. Keep up the good work and have the last laugh. Enjoy this weekend, celebrate with your wife and get back on the wagon tomorrow. You da man...

Maybe I'm a naysayer because I have been on a plant based diet for 14 months and, for the last 4 weeks gave up everything but fruits and vegetables. No booze, sugar, flour, eggs, dairy....because I wanted to try and put heathy foods in my body.

Sorry, if I don't feel bad he could only last five days eating bunless cheeseburgers and scotch.

gotta realize most don't want to be on that extreme side of the fence though.

Waaaah, I HAD to drink a bottle of wine because it was my wife's birthday.

 

[parasaurolophus]

3.5 miles in 30 minutes today. I sprinted the last minute at 10.2 MPH. Felt great. Since last Saturday, I've run more than 3 miles four times and pushed Hazel around in our jogging stroller in our hilly neighborhood over 2 miles another night. That's 5 good workouts in 7 days. Cutting out to way way down on the beer has probably been a better achievement for me. I have a much larger personal problem with over drinking beer than I do with overeating anything food related. If I come away with any major lifestyle change from this thread, I really hope it's a reduction of my beer intake over anything else, like running routinely or going lo-carb. Ideally, I'd love to strike a much healthier balance where I practice moderation in food, beer coupled with routine moderate exercise. Signing up for a half marathon two months in advance is a great motivator for me, so maybe I sign up for 3 a year or something....

tl;dr.....this thread is helping me work though some stuff and writing is cathartic for me.

something tells me we will be seeing you in another thread soon too with all this running.

 

[Vike Me]

Just had this for Dinner with green beans:

http://www.hellmanns.com/recipes/detail/32658/1/parmesan-crusted-chicken

Delicious and easy to make. About 5 net carbs.

 

[General Malaise]

on the bright side, my will is only solidified now. It was kind of cool to see the test come out showing no ketones. Shows this was obviously working before. I also was starting to feel pretty great, have more energy, and cravings were subsiding. I'm committed on this thing, it's pretty cool how it works.

Committed? You didn't last five days on the first try, GB.

Lotta haters up in here, Otis. 5 good days with 1-2 off days won't stop you from the end goal here. At the end of the day, you're a winner...great career, hot younger wife, good social life, full head of hair. Lose the weight and these nay-sayers won't have a single solitary thing to poke fun of you for. Keep up the good work and have the last laugh. Enjoy this weekend, celebrate with your wife and get back on the wagon tomorrow. You da man...

Maybe I'm a naysayer because I have been on a plant based diet for 14 months and, for the last 4 weeks gave up everything but fruits and vegetables. No booze, sugar, flour, eggs, dairy....because I wanted to try and put heathy foods in my body. Sorry, if I don't feel bad he could only last five days eating bunless cheeseburgers and scotch.

You should try a scotch and loosen up. Otis needs minor adjustments, not lap-band surgery and the Bugs Bunny\prisoner diet.

 

[General Malaise]

3.5 miles in 30 minutes today. I sprinted the last minute at 10.2 MPH. Felt great. Since last Saturday, I've run more than 3 miles four times and pushed Hazel around in our jogging stroller in our hilly neighborhood over 2 miles another night. That's 5 good workouts in 7 days. Cutting out to way way down on the beer has probably been a better achievement for me. I have a much larger personal problem with over drinking beer than I do with overeating anything food related. If I come away with any major lifestyle change from this thread, I really hope it's a reduction of my beer intake over anything else, like running routinely or going lo-carb. Ideally, I'd love to strike a much healthier balance where I practice moderation in food, beer coupled with routine moderate exercise. Signing up for a half marathon two months in advance is a great motivator for me, so maybe I sign up for 3 a year or something....

tl;dr.....this thread is helping me work though some stuff and writing is cathartic for me.

something tells me we will be seeing you in another thread soon too with all this running.

I hope so. I'd love to be a regular. I'd really like to work up to a shorter triathlon one day. I checked in back in June 2011 when I jogged a half marathon in 2:07. Haven't done jack since. But I like it....mentally more than anything else.

 

[Otis]

the GM pep talks. Love it.

3.5 miles in 30 minutes today. I sprinted the last minute at 10.2 MPH. Felt great. Since last Saturday, I've run more than 3 miles four times and pushed Hazel around in our jogging stroller in our hilly neighborhood over 2 miles another night. That's 5 good workouts in 7 days. Cutting out to way way down on the beer has probably been a better achievement for me. I have a much larger personal problem with over drinking beer than I do with overeating anything food related. If I come away with any major lifestyle change from this thread, I really hope it's a reduction of my beer intake over anything else, like running routinely or going lo-carb. Ideally, I'd love to strike a much healthier balance where I practice moderation in food, beer coupled with routine moderate exercise. Signing up for a half marathon two months in advance is a great motivator for me, so maybe I sign up for 3 a year or something....

tl;dr.....this thread is helping me work though some stuff and writing is cathartic for me.

This is awesome. Yeah, booze is a killer. Not only is it a ton of empty calories, but if bloats you, and causes you to make poor snacking decisions, and the next morning you feel like crap and so there goes your motivation to do anything healthy.

Keep it up GB

 

[chauncey]

Is there an fbg approved scale?

 

[Nugget]

I'm on day 6 of my high fat/avoid processed food diet. Down 7 pounds.

Breakfast - Quart of bulletproof coffee

Lunch - Cauliflower Fried Rice

Snack - Bacon

Dinner - Shrimp and Veggies in butter and Sriracha

Lots of water, looking to add exercise at some point.

Also on day 2 of oil pulling - not sure if I am a fan at this point. I'll likely keep going for a week or two and see if I notice any benefits.

 

[Otis]

STOP THE PRESS

Need some input here. Family friend who is a certified trainer/nutritionist was by the house today visiting. I mentioned I was on Atkins and we got into a long talk. He told me Atkins is a bad idea. He tried it once in college, and while he lost a ton of weight on it, the problem is that it's an unnatural state for the body, and you cannot maintain once you eventually get off atkins (and you will get off atkins). So, his view is that whether it's unhealthy or not, it's a bad idea for weight loss. (Unless you're a bodybuilder and looking to fine tune before a competition, for example -- something short term).

He asked if I'd ever heard of paleo, and told me that's what he'd do. He sent me a link to a talk his buddy gave on the subject some time ago -- he said it's long, but a good eye opener:

LINK

We talked at length about paleo and the like. I mentioned MFP, and he believes in that very much as well. Said it's a great way to program yourself, even if you don't know it, about what foods have what calories, and how to make up for "cheats" or certain foods by being mindful of what you eat the rest of the day. He said the MFP can integrate with the Fitbit I've got.

So, two nights in a row now people have told me atkins is a bad idea. The first night by my wife and mom (who don't know what they're talking about), the second by a guy who definitely knows what he's talking about.

I wonder if I should transition to paleo instead? I don't know enough about it yet -- need to watch the link above still -- buy I'm thinking I might consider a paleo + MFP combination. (Staying under the MFP calorie limits but eating a paleo diet, and allowing for cheat days). I lost 20lbs at the beginning of last year using MFP, so I suppose I know it can work for me. And maybe with the diet change, and not just calorie counting, I can continue to break the dependency on sugars/processed foods/junk foods, and end up with a more sustainable diet.

Thoughts from you guys who are way smarter at this stuff than I am?

 

[bushdocda]

It's a new month, time for a new diet.

 

[Otis]

It's a new month, time for a new diet.

GREAT point, I'll update the thread title.

 

[moleculo]

Come for the Atkins, stay for the Paleo!

 

[jamny]

GB just exercising, eating healthy and on occasion eating something you shouldn't.

 

[Otis]

Come for the Atkins, stay for the Paleo!

Wow good posting.

 

[Otis]

I think a Paleo diet is a better lifestyle than Atkins by a good margin. Atkins isn't really sustainable in my experience.

woah

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

The differences between what Bender calls Atkins and what someone else would call Paleo are trivial.

You're a well compensated professional in a city with lots of options, so yeah, I'd pay attention to food quality. But otherwise, your carbs are going to be lited (maybe not induction level limited) either way.

 

[cosjobs]

http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=116672

That article is eight years old and largely disproven

 

[BassNBrew]

STOP THE PRESS

Need some input here. Family friend who is a certified trainer/nutritionist was by the house today visiting. I mentioned I was on Atkins and we got into a long talk. He told me Atkins is a bad idea. He tried it once in college, and while he lost a ton of weight on it, the problem is that it's an unnatural state for the body, and you cannot maintain once you eventually get off atkins (and you will get off atkins). So, his view is that whether it's unhealthy or not, it's a bad idea for weight loss. (Unless you're a bodybuilder and looking to fine tune before a competition, for example -- something short term).

He asked if I'd ever heard of paleo, and told me that's what he'd do. He sent me a link to a talk his buddy gave on the subject some time ago -- he said it's long, but a good eye opener:

LINK

We talked at length about paleo and the like. I mentioned MFP, and he believes in that very much as well. Said it's a great way to program yourself, even if you don't know it, about what foods have what calories, and how to make up for "cheats" or certain foods by being mindful of what you eat the rest of the day. He said the MFP can integrate with the Fitbit I've got.

So, two nights in a row now people have told me atkins is a bad idea. The first night by my wife and mom (who don't know what they're talking about), the second by a guy who definitely knows what he's talking about.

I wonder if I should transition to paleo instead? I don't know enough about it yet -- need to watch the link above still -- buy I'm thinking I might consider a paleo + MFP combination. (Staying under the MFP calorie limits but eating a paleo diet, and allowing for cheat days). I lost 20lbs at the beginning of last year using MFP, so I suppose I know it can work for me. And maybe with the diet change, and not just calorie counting, I can continue to break the dependency on sugars/processed foods/junk foods, and end up with a more sustainable diet.

Thoughts from you guys who are way smarter at this stuff than I am?

The Atkins is fine, problem is you're not following it. You didn't do the induction correctly and even with that you fell completely off the wagon on day 5. Frankly you're wasting your time using Atkins so you should look for something else.

I think you hit the nail on the head in you're last full paragraph. You seemed to have success with that plan and stayed with it for awhile. Eating healthy 6 days a week in moderation with one cheat day a week seems like it would be a good fit for your lifestyle and will power.

 

[Otis]

The differences between what Bender calls Atkins and what someone else would call Paleo are trivial.

You're a well compensated professional in a city with lots of options, so yeah, I'd pay attention to food quality. But otherwise, your carbs are going to be lited (maybe not induction level limited) either way.

It seems to me that limiting carbs is a really good idea. The question is how much. As my buddy put it today, it's not about counting carbs, it's about eating quality carbs.

 

[cosjobs]

Last night killed my ketosis. (Peed on a strip this morning to confirm). It's amazing what a piece of birthday cake can do to atkins. I woke up feeling like garbage.

In the bright side, my will is only solidified now. It was kind of cool to see the test come out showing no ketones. Shows this was obviously working before. I also was starting to feel pretty great, have more energy, and cravings were subsiding. I'm committed on this thing, it's pretty cool how it works.

It will probably take me another two days or so to restart the ketosis. Not a big deal. In the bright side, the next major excuse event is a birthday brunch I'm throwing for my wife with friends and family in three weeks. Until then, no major obstacles.

Question: my mom was over last night and read me the riot act about how bad atkins is for you, and how bad a meat based diet is, and how she's worried about my heart and colon cancer. I tried to tell her that her thinking is dated by like 20 years and that modern science says otherwise. Anyone have a good link for a study that concluded atkins is not bad for you/does not pose any risks? TIA

There are certainty risks cooking non grass fed red meat past rare. Among those are bowel cancers among other issues. Even grass fed really shouldn't be cooked much past rare either.

I'm starting to buy the data which says mid rare red beef is roughly the same risk as smoking.

Interesting. I have not seen that research. I have reviewed a lot of literature that says high heat destroys at the cellular level and cooking below 250F or so, greatly reduces adverse health effects of meats (or any food, really).

One way to do that is steaming/boiling/simmering, etc., since that never raises the cooking temp above 212F.

But for millions of years our Paleo beta testers were definitely throwing carcasses in the campfire and definitely had huge doses of charred, overcooked meats. THis has always seemed contradictory to me- but that's why I find your comment interesting. Are you saying that charred or over cooked meat is okay if its grassfed?

 

[[icon]]

Otis, you know I'm a fan... But did it ever occur to you that maybe for her birthday, the young hot wife would prefer a less pudgy husband to a husband who abandons his previously successful diet plan to sympathy snack on cake with her after a rough week?

I get the long term relationship thing and how you have to make concessions with women... Been with my girl 11 years this month and we've lived together the vast vast majority of that. However I know damn well that despite my having dramatically changed my body for the better over the last year, shed STILL prefer me to forgo sympathy cake in exchange for having a more fit partner.

The wine I totally get, though I would have looked into swapping to scotch or vodka soda after splitting the first bottle with the wife.

Again, not hating...I was long on Otis success early on here, but I'm a little amused at the idea of "I had to eat the cake becuase it's what she wanted for her birthday" mindset. Wife wants a fit healthy husband more than she wants to look across the table at you blowing your last week of work. Trust me on this...

You've got this though...

 

[Otis]

Otis, you know I'm a fan... But did it ever occur to you that maybe for her birthday, the young hot wife would prefer a less pudgy husband to a husband who abandons his previously successful diet plan to sympathy snack on cake with her after a rough week?

I get the long term relationship thing and how you have to make concessions with women... Been with my girl 11 years this month and we've lived together the vast vast majority of that. However I know damn well that despite my having dramatically changed my body for the better over the last year, shed STILL prefer me to forgo sympathy cake in exchange for having a more fit partner.

The wine I totally get, though I would have looked into swapping to scotch or vodka soda after splitting the first bottle with the wife.

Again, not hating...I was long on Otis success early on here, but I'm a little amused at the idea of "I had to eat the cake becuase it's what she wanted for her birthday" mindset. Wife wants a fit healthy husband more than she wants to look across the table at you blowing your last week of work. Trust me on this...

You've got this though...

Brother, have your first kid, then let's take this up. It's a whole different world on the other side.

 

[Abraham]

No ####. I'm up watching mad men (and have been for an hour) because kid #2 saw fit to want to play.

 

[rockaction]

The differences between what Bender calls Atkins and what someone else would call Paleo are trivial.

You're a well compensated professional in a city with lots of options, so yeah, I'd pay attention to food quality. But otherwise, your carbs are going to be lited (maybe not induction level limited) either way.

It seems to me that limiting carbs is a really good idea. The question is how much. As my buddy put it today, it's not about counting carbs, it's about eating quality carbs.

About two years ago, I went on a diabetic diet and lost fifty or so pounds. (I wasn't diabetic). One thing a pretty well-known CT dietician said to me was, "Look. Don't get too wrapped in carb counting. If it's green and on your plate, eat it. Eat a lot of it."

Best advice I heard. Stuffed myself with broccoli, beans, cucumbers, bell peppers, lettuce, you name it. Especially raw. Weight fell like magic with other elements of my diet/exercise, etc. Weighed out portions of meat. Cut out alcohol and soda/pop. Ate almost no refined sugars. And it really worked.

Anyway, I hope this little quote helps you out, because I was stuck on the same carb/veggie dilemma you seem to be stuck on.