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Otis fad diet thread — yoga, fasting, and kevzilla walking on🚶‍♂️ (9 Viewers)

Not if you try it 3 times and keep gaining the weight back. Its meant to teach people the right way to eat and if they fall back into old habits immediately upon stopping I cant see how anyone can say it works.
So in that case, "self control" is the only thing that works.  

ETA: As I read it again, it sounds like I'm trying to come off as a jerk....totally not the intention.  What I meant was, anyone can make excuses that "it doesn't work" about anything (diet, excercise, etc)....but at the end of the day, the thing that doesn't work is the person.

 
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As far as I'm aware, the diet with the best track record, backed by data, for helping people keep weight off after the initial weight-loss period is the Rice Diet. Sixty-three percent of patients kept their weight off for a year after leaving the treatment facility, and I think about 45% regained no more than six pounds after five years (going from memory -- I'll see if I can find the actual stat). For most diets, the commonly cited statistic is that only about 5% of people are able to keep weight off in the long term, though there is some dispute about how accurate that is. In any case, 45% is really impressive.

(The rice diet is the one where people were originally allowed to eat only rice, fruit, fruit juice, and sugar. Later versions also allowed occasional fish and chicken and maybe a few other things. People were expected to eat this way only while at the facility. Once they went home, they were supposed to eat normally but sensibly.)

There are no long-term stats that I'm aware of for the potato diet or for water-only fasting, but I'd expect them to also do relatively well for the same reason as the rice diet -- namely, blandness. (As with the rice diet, people are not expected to stay on just potatoes or just water for the long term. The point is to use them to normalize appetite so that eating sensibly becomes easier going forward.)

The trick to making it easier to keep weight off in the long term is to adjust your bodyweight set-point, which would otherwise defend against fat loss by ramping up appetite. I'm only a few chapters into the Guyenet book and he hasn't touched on this yet, but I expect that he'll spend a fair number of words on it given that it's an area of his own research.

I personally recommend chemotherapy for weight loss (though I generally recommend against it in cancer-free subjects for other reasons). I've been losing weight for months despite consciously trying not to.
#######it I love reading Maurile posts in here.  Awesome.

I bought a rice cooker a month ago and used it twice.  Rice diet sounds awesome.  And all my Japanese friends are skinny (they hate fat Americans).  

 
Yesterday I had a bowl with some potatoes at 9pm and that was it.  Slept great, woke up with energy.  Still haven't eaten today.  4pm. Still feeling great.  

Eating is for chumps.

 
As far as I'm aware, the diet with the best track record, backed by data, for helping people keep weight off after the initial weight-loss period is the Rice Diet. Sixty-three percent of patients kept their weight off for a year after leaving the treatment facility, and I think about 45% regained no more than six pounds after five years (going from memory -- I'll see if I can find the actual stat). For most diets, the commonly cited statistic is that only about 5% of people are able to keep weight off in the long term, though there is some dispute about how accurate that is. In any case, 45% is really impressive.

(The rice diet is the one where people were originally allowed to eat only rice, fruit, fruit juice, and sugar. Later versions also allowed occasional fish and chicken and maybe a few other things. People were expected to eat this way only while at the facility. Once they went home, they were supposed to eat normally but sensibly.)

There are no long-term stats that I'm aware of for the potato diet or for water-only fasting, but I'd expect them to also do relatively well for the same reason as the rice diet -- namely, blandness. (As with the rice diet, people are not expected to stay on just potatoes or just water for the long term. The point is to use them to normalize appetite so that eating sensibly becomes easier going forward.)

The trick to making it easier to keep weight off in the long term is to adjust your bodyweight set-point, which would otherwise defend against fat loss by ramping up appetite. I'm only a few chapters into the Guyenet book and he hasn't touched on this yet, but I expect that he'll spend a fair number of words on it given that it's an area of his own research.

I personally recommend chemotherapy for weight loss (though I generally recommend against it in cancer-free subjects for other reasons). I've been losing weight for months despite consciously trying not to.
#######it I love reading Maurile posts in here.  Awesome.

I bought a rice cooker a month ago and used it twice.  Rice diet sounds awesome.  And all my Japanese friends are skinny (they hate fat Americans).  
Tried the rice diet once.  Once.

Lasted maybe 10 days.  I won't eat rice to this day unless it's smothered in tai brown sauce or masked in a burrito by meat, beans, veggies and cheese.

 
water only fasting sounds lovely.   the company pushing that can just fire the whole marketing department b/c that diet sells itself. 

 
By all the weight loss going on in here, it is obvious that losing weight is not that difficult.  We fail at weight loss due to our own decisions.  I do not care what diet you choose, if you lose weight, the diet works.  If you put the weight back on it is because of your poor decisions.  It is easy to gain weight in this country.  We have so much great tasting food at our fingertips.  If you are hungry, you can go to a vending machine in almost every building, and grab a coke and chips or cupcakes.  You can stop at a 7/11 or Walgreens at every intersection.  And when you are home, you just waddle over to the fridge or pantry and grab a pile of food.  We are somehow now programmed to think we should never feel hunger. 

 
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Good luck to you, I have done this 3 times in the past.  It always worked for me.  Went from 250 to 198 the first time and then hung around there for a month or 2 and then just stopped.  2nd time I was 260+ and got down to 230 when I quit.  The last time (Last year) I went from 296 to 250 before the session were not renewed at work and I went back to eating like an idiot.  Never used my flex or exercise points.  I've found myfitnesspal has been great and similar to the weight watchers tracking.  I need to track what I eat, I've tracked on myfitnesspal for 50 straight days, and that includes every single thing I have eaten.   
Rick it appears we have followed a similar path. Friend request me on mfp pack100

 
I get your point but if a particular "diet" causes someone to lose 50 lbs is it really the diets fault when the person stops doing it and gains it all back?  I'm in a similar boat as Rick in that I've lost 60-70 lbs twice before (and smaller amounts in between) and on my way to doing it again.  Each time the "diet" I chose helped me lose that weight - I have no reason to believe that choosing a different "diet" would make me not be a ####### and start eating/drinking whatever I want once I lose the weight.  Culdeus basically implies surgery is the only solution and while that may be the case I have no plans to do it.  I think it comes down to lifestyle change for long-term success - whether that is never buying bad stuff, to limiting eating out, to exercising, to new hobbies that require physical activity.  I understand that my willpower will eventually give out - I can see that right now, but I still think it's misplaced to blame the "diet". 


Most everyone can lose weight, the overwhelming majority of people are horrible at maintenance.  It's because people don't look at the them as two separate phases.  And the fact that the maintenance is harder than the losing part is where people fail.  WLS makes maintenance a bit easier, but you can still fail on WLS.  It's worth considering once you gain your 50-90 or whatever back.  The process is relatively safe now.  

Most people just simply don't want to listen about how to actually maintain.  The science is there, but because it's dramatically harder than just "don't eat X" it usually just falls to the side.

 
Tiger Fan said:
Weight watchers is not a diet.  It's organized portion control.  It works
Weight watchers is a very expensive version of IIFYM.  Has nothing to do with portion control.

 
8pm first meal of the day.  Bowl of boiled potatoes.  Sprinkled some low sodium soy sauce on them.  Because why the hell not.

This flavored seltzer is like nectar of the gods. 

 
8pm first meal of the day.  Bowl of boiled potatoes.  Sprinkled some low sodium soy sauce on them.  Because why the hell not.

This flavored seltzer is like nectar of the gods. 
Eating is for suckers. Still haven't eaten, yet. Got some boiled potatoes for later tonight, though.

Black coffee? I'll take 3. And 1 to go.

 
So far, I've heard from lots of guys who have yo-yo'ed back and forth. Lost weight, gained it back. Lost more, gained back even more. Shadyridr seems to be the one story of a guy who kept it off for 3+ years, then stress hit, and wham! Back at it. Any stories from people who took it off and kept it off permanently (so far)? What did you do that was different? What was the key to your success?

 
So far, I've heard from lots of guys who have yo-yo'ed back and forth. Lost weight, gained it back. Lost more, gained back even more. Shadyridr seems to be the one story of a guy who kept it off for 3+ years, then stress hit, and wham! Back at it. Any stories from people who took it off and kept it off permanently (so far)? What did you do that was different? What was the key to your success?
Exercise. Meal plan Sunday. Shopping list, minimal veering. Prep the next day's food after the kids go to bed. No cheat food until next day's food prepped. Don't drink my calories (unless it's booze). 

 
Most people just simply don't want to listen about how to actually maintain.  The science is there, but because it's dramatically harder than just "don't eat X" it usually just falls to the side.
I've been saying and thinking I need a better maintenance plan but I don't have one other than just keep doing what I'm doing and allow myself more cheats and monitor my weight - can you explain what you mean by the science around maintenance? Apologies if you've explained this before and I've missed it.

 
Exercise. Meal plan Sunday. Shopping list, minimal veering. Prep the next day's food after the kids go to bed. No cheat food until next day's food prepped. Don't drink my calories (unless it's booze). 
Good list - what does "No cheat food until next day's food prepped." mean?

 
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Good list - what does "No cheat food until next day's food prepped." mean?
It keeps me from veering from the pre prepared food until...about now. I am still kind of full from dinner and very dry tired, so while I plan to have some of thes chocolate covered pretzels it isn't going to be many then I'm going to bed. Today may be a 9 hour sleep night.

Which brings up another part of my plan, sleep.

 
I don't think that's the case. There's more to weight regulation than "calories in-calories out", IMO. Not just water weight, either. I think there's other pathways for metabolizing fat in people, especially obese people. And I think that trumps the TDEE - caloric intake.

im going to try it, anyway. Yesterday I did spuds, but added tomato sauce and Parmesan cheese. Today, I'm going to start nothing but spuds, water and black coffee until the deadline. No exercise, except increasing my NEAT activities (high five Chaka) and I think I can hit 25 lbs. by the deadline. No bets, I just want to see how far I can go, completely eliminating everything but potatoes.
Good luck brother. To be honest I think trying to eat only potatoes for 38 days is far more difficult than losing 25 lbs in the same time frame.

 
So far, I've heard from lots of guys who have yo-yo'ed back and forth. Lost weight, gained it back. Lost more, gained back even more. Shadyridr seems to be the one story of a guy who kept it off for 3+ years, then stress hit, and wham! Back at it. Any stories from people who took it off and kept it off permanently (so far)? What did you do that was different? What was the key to your success?
5 years ago I was 249 lbs (never quite hit 250) and decided to make a change.  I changed the way I ate, started running again, and did insanity.  I got down to 199.  I've been back up to 220 but usually hover around 210-212 now.  As we all know, it is all what you eat!  When I was 249 I was playing in basketball leagues 4 nights a week, but would pick up Taco Bell or Wendy's on the way home.  Couldnt drop a pound.  I switched that to baking chicken and just having it in the fridge all the time so I had something to reheat and make quickly.  Id sauté mushrooms and zucchini some days with it, or I would put the chicken on a couple of corn tortillas and add salsa.  I also cut out all soda, and the weight dropped off.  My job changed when I got back up to 220-225, and I was on the road entertaining a lot.  I used that as an excuse but realized it doesnt need to be.  These great steakhouses also have great fish.  The asparagus or Brussels sprouts at those places are just as good if not better than there potatoes.   And if you have a glass of wine in front of you, no one realizes if you have 1,2 or 5 glasses if you are with a large group.  

I think the key is to not be too extreme.  I still eat pizza (my favorite), burgers fries, etc.  But I only eat them when I am craving them or there is no other options.  Days that I am just hungry but not craving something specific, I get a salad.  I also try to snack on something healthy, before I get hungry and the cravings start.  Previous diets, I would go waaaay to extreme, and then I would last a week then binge eat. Oh, and that also reminds me.  Have cheat meals, not cheat days.  Just because you have something unhealthy for lunch, doesnt mean you should say "oh well, i already ate bad today, might as well get mcdonalds for dinner."  It needs to be the exact opposite.  In the past I would always justify it as a bad day, but it doesnt have to be a bad day, just a bad meal.

Find healthy foods that work for you.  Lately ive been baking chicken and cooking lean beef, sautéing mushrooms and then making quinoa or brown rice and mixing them all together (more meat than anything else), and just heating that up with some broccoli when im hungry.  Not everyone would love that, but I could eat that nearly everyday if I had to. Taste great.  Find something thats healthy that you think tastes great and have it around all the time. 

Im still not where I want to be.  Today im about 207.  At nearly 6'3 I don't look terribly heavy, but I carry my weight around the mid section no matter what I weigh.  I'd like to work on trimming that down, and it all starts with diet.

Looking at this thread its really awesome to see so many people losing significant weight.  I think about being at 249, and I just feel so much better now.  I remember watching the scale creep down from 249 to 199 and it was amazing.  Glad to see so many guys feeling that right now.  Keep it up guys!

 
So far, I've heard from lots of guys who have yo-yo'ed back and forth. Lost weight, gained it back. Lost more, gained back even more. Shadyridr seems to be the one story of a guy who kept it off for 3+ years, then stress hit, and wham! Back at it. Any stories from people who took it off and kept it off permanently (so far)? What did you do that was different? What was the key to your success?
I dropped 90-100 pounds ten years ago. My peak was probably 300 and change. The biggest number I ever saw on the scale was 290 something. I went down to 210 and maintained that for a few years. I later pushed hard to get down to 190, hs playing weight. I'm 6-3. I'm currently 212. But I might be 207 after my morning workout. Weight fluctuates. For me maintenance just means never stop dieting and exercising. Ever. Losing the weight is not easy but it is easier than initial maintenance. Long term maintenance gets easier, "it has to be a new lifestyle". I intermittent fast... for life. Basically one meal a day with very little snacking. I pick a day here and there and fast. Sometimes I pick a week and fast. That's just life now. I like it.

I think a big thing I've never mentioned here before is not placing any importance on food. I got this from Dr Guyenet's blog. He recommends eating as bland as possible so food just become boring fuel. Life changing psychological adjustment. Some people practically live by and for what they are eating that day. it's a big deal, a major part of the daily conversation. I had a fat person living here for a couple months and I had to ask her to stop discussing food, hunger, grocery shopping, etc. I don't care about that. Gimme a boiled potato and let me get back to whatever project I got going. 

 
I think the key is to not be too extreme.  I still eat pizza (my favorite), burgers fries, etc.  But I only eat them when I am craving them or there is no other options.  
My post ignored this and may read to some like I disagree. I think cheats are important. I go out to eat and I eat. I watch portions, but pizza burgers tacos whatever. I eat it... less than weekly lately, but I'm on a kick. Maintenance doesn't just allow pizza and beer, as ditka says above, it is key.

 
Also, I yo yoed for five years before finally getting it done. 260? Omg. 220 whew. 270? Oh @#$! 230 okay. 290+!!!!  Ahhh!

Low carbing was big for me, but I am a believer in calories calories out.

My current kick is cutting meat way way back. No special reason. Today I ate about four ounces of shaved tri tip and a massive pile of green beans, iceberg wedge with low cal dressing. Keeping the carbs down too, but during the day I had a banana, an orange and some watermelon.

 
Going to bed now.  Second day in a row having eaten only one meal of like 2-3 potatoes. How am I'm not dead yet?

Seriously can't remember the last time I ate so little in a 48 hour stretch. Tomorrow may need to have some real food. Like a salad or grain bowl or something. 

 
Going to bed now.  Second day in a row having eaten only one meal of like 2-3 potatoes. How am I'm not dead yet?

Seriously can't remember the last time I ate so little in a 48 hour stretch. Tomorrow may need to have some real food. Like a salad or grain bowl or something. 
have some more potatoes. with rao's.

 
Going to bed now.  Second day in a row having eaten only one meal of like 2-3 potatoes. How am I'm not dead yet?

Seriously can't remember the last time I ate so little in a 48 hour stretch. Tomorrow may need to have some real food. Like a salad or grain bowl or something. 
I have plateaued over the past week or two. I am down plenty of weight overall, but I want to lose at least another 10 lbs. I am recommitting myself to the "fasting" method that worked very well early on. lately I have been eating relatively healthy foods, but I haven't been doing the fasting with the regularity that I started with.

So... I am going back to fasting during the week. It is hard to do. I haven't really eaten since Tuesday. Had an apple, a banana, and some broccoli on Wednesday... maybe 500 calories. Going to limit myself today and tomorrow. My reward will be a Friday night party with plenty of cocktails.

:banned:

 
I've got 37 days to lose 15 lbs. to get to my competition goal of 20%.  That's a little under half a pound a day which is doable but given how much I've already lost it will be really tough.  I may need to do something drastic like colonblow or wear a fat suit or cut off an appendage that last week.  :football:

 
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I've got 37 days to lose 15 lbs. to get to my competition goal of 20%.  That's a little under half a pound a day which is doable but given how much I've already lost it will be really tough.  I may need to do something drastic like colonblow or wear a fat suit or cut off an appendage that last week.  :football:
What would 15 more lbs put you at?  Around 190?  What's your goal goal?

 
So far, I've heard from lots of guys who have yo-yo'ed back and forth. Lost weight, gained it back. Lost more, gained back even more. Shadyridr seems to be the one story of a guy who kept it off for 3+ years, then stress hit, and wham! Back at it. Any stories from people who took it off and kept it off permanently (so far)? What did you do that was different? What was the key to your success?
I was a fat kid starting in about 8th grade. 230lbs when I graduated college. Dropped to 175, married an active, healthy-eater, and have hovered between 175-185 for the last 20 years. I know its cliche, but lifestyle change (ie: never stop dieting) really is "the key to success" (and I give most of that credit to my wife). It's all stuff you've heard before because its all true. Cut out all soda/sugary drinks forever. Find healthy whole-food meals/snacks you like and make them part of your regular M-F routine. Eating out / snacks / junk / binge drinking should be a special treat, not the norm. Stay active. I still do a maintenance diet every couple years to keep in this range, but for the most part, this is where my weight has stayed.

 
I was a fat kid starting in about 8th grade. 230lbs when I graduated college. Dropped to 175, married an active, healthy-eater, and have hovered between 175-185 for the last 20 years. I know its cliche, but lifestyle change (ie: never stop dieting) really is "the key to success" (and I give most of that credit to my wife). It's all stuff you've heard before because its all true. Cut out all soda/sugary drinks forever. Find healthy whole-food meals/snacks you like and make them part of your regular M-F routine. Eating out / snacks / junk / binge drinking should be a special treat, not the norm. Stay active. I still do a maintenance diet every couple years to keep in this range, but for the most part, this is where my weight has stayed.
Is that your wife in your avatar?  

 
What would 15 more lbs put you at?  Around 190?  What's your goal goal?
Probably 175.  Ideally I would get down to 165-170 and add some muscle.

ETA - Yes, I was 205 this morning - 15 more gets me to 190.  If I was a betting man I would say I don't get there unless I ramp up exercise.  Shouldn't be too far off though.

 
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Probably 175.  Ideally I would get down to 165-170 and add some muscle.

ETA - Yes, I was 205 this morning - 15 more gets me to 190.  If I was a betting man I would say I don't get there unless I ramp up exercise.  Shouldn't be too far off though.
What's in 37 days? You gotta make weight for something?

 
Probably 175.  Ideally I would get down to 165-170 and add some muscle.

ETA - Yes, I was 205 this morning - 15 more gets me to 190.  If I was a betting man I would say I don't get there unless I ramp up exercise.  Shouldn't be too far off though.
Wow now I feel like a slob

 
He's got a sweet polka dot bikini picked out for those sexy feet.
I'm really tempted to post the pic they took of me coming out of the water during my race 12 years ago - think skinny Elmer Fudd.  I just don't want JD to get fired or arrested for molesting his computer at work.

 
Despite all the schtick, it appears you've lost 13 lbs.  That's pretty good - remind us what your height and target weight is.
:hifive:

Yup, down about 13lbs.  At 224.3 today.  6'4".  

For the longest time I've been trying to get below 215 as my first goal, but really my ultimate goal weight would be 205-210, which I haven't been probably since my early 20s.  From there I'd like to start doing some more exercise/bodyweight strength training/cardio, to strengthen my heart and body.  I've got a bunch of small kids, and I'm going to be an old man when they're heading off to college -- more and more, I'm realizing now is my chance to start getting fit so that, when I'm 60, I'm not a trainwreck.

 

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