Which overtime format do you like best?
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Overtime Format? (1 Viewer)
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
I dont like the college format at all.
I think the NFL needs a possesion each, then sudden death type rule
I think the NFL needs a possesion each, then sudden death type rule
trader jake
Footballguy
Agree with this. Each team should get 1 possession, but if the teams are tied after each has the ball - sudden death.bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Strongly favor college. Look at how exciting the OT game with Tennessee and Kentucky was.
Crusaderfan
Footballguy
Voted for slightly favor college. The fact that a team can lose in OT, in the pros, without ever getting the ball has bothered me for years. When you have kickers that routinely make 50+ yd FG's - a game can be won or lost on the coin toss. That's a pretty shabby resolution after fighting for 60 minutes regulation.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
This is my vote as well.Haven't voted in the original poll, I'm guessing "slightly favor NFL" is the best option to this view.bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Strongly favor NFL. For those saying that it is unfair for the team who gets the ball first to go down and win the game with their opponent never seeing the ball in OT, I say, play some defense and you will get the ball. And I am a Broncos fans who saw that happened to them yesterday. Offense, defense and special teams are all part of the game.
The college format is very exciting, but it inflates scores and stats way too much.
The college format is very exciting, but it inflates scores and stats way too much.
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Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Yes, I agree they were exciting, but removing special teams and field position from the football contest is not a good idea.The Bears lose to Denver by a wide margin without special teams.Virginia Tech is also much weaker wihout special teams as part of the equation.The college version is "horse" football - match or beat each other's shots or lose. Plus your defense gets appreciably tired.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
This has been one of the more oft-debated topics from year to year, and I don't think there is a great solution. I know many people would like to see each team get one possession, but what happens if TEAM A wins the coin toss and gets a kick return to midfield, winds up punting, and TEAM B gets the ball at their own 1 yard line. They go 3 and out, punt to the 40 yard line, and the other team does not even need a first down to be able to kick a FG. But both teams had one possession. Why not play an overtime period and whatever the score is at the end of that period would be the final score (tied or otherwise). What is so bad about having a tie? I understand that there needs to be some sort of tiebreaker for the playoffs, but why in the regular season?
Hi GR,Don't disagree. But based on the line above, shouldn't Denver's offense have a say in the outcome? They had none yesterday.
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dgreen
Footballguy
They had 60 minutes to have a say in the outcome.
I think we want to "settle it" David. A tie just sucks.For me, I think college has it down perfectly. I honestly see no problems at all with their format.And it's incredibly exciting.The only real down side is that it can wind up being a lot more work for the players. I think Kentucky had something like 110 snaps Saturday on offense which is nuts. But playing a full 15 minutes of Sudden Death could take a toll too.J
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Good points. The thing I don't like about the college OT is how the defense has to stay on the field for the second posession if the first ends in a tie.I like this idea of one posession each you guys are talking about. Losing on a coin flip seems unfair to me.And I don't think you'd see the triple (or more) overtimes like you do in the college game.
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Sure. And that was a tie.When it came to settling the 60 minutes, they had zero say. I'm just saying I think that's bad.
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trader jake
Footballguy
Exciting doesn't mean that it's the best way to do things. The XFL had an exciting way to bypass the coin flip before the game (two players going after possession of a football) but that doesn't mean it should be incorporated into the NFL rulebook.Special teams are a huge part of the NFL game, but in the NCAA format it plays almost no role in the outcome of the game. Even if the offense doesn't move 1 yard, those field goals are much easier for NFL kickers...that's the extent of special teams in that overtime format.Hockey deciding games with shootouts seems almost as odd. That's why they don't do so in the playoffs.
It removes punting, but special teams are huge for field goals.Kentucky could have won the game making a short field goal but it was blocked. Huge special teams play.J
Icedrinking
Footballguy
maybe have a kick-off ? 
dgreen
Footballguy
I have no problem with ties. They are a better indicator of how the teams compare.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Special teams plays almost no role in the outcome of games in college? What are you talking about?
trader jake
Footballguy
Considering we FBG's are fantasy football geeks, this factor can't just be swept under the rug as well. The NCAA OT format would cause havoc with the stats.
dgreen
Footballguy
Only FGs play a role in a college OT. It doesn't include punts or kickoffs.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
I don't love either system if I had to vote. Teams play for a tie in regulation in the hopes of winning in overtime, so it can dilute the end of regulation. It's also potentially unfair in OT if a team does not even get a chance to have the ball (although one could certainly argue that the defense should have been able to stop them.)I don't mind the concept of sudden death, but just continue on from where regulation ended with the same set of circumstances. If a team had been pinned at their own goal line with a 4th and 22, pick up the overtime at the same spot and keep going, whoever scores first wins. That would get rid of the kneel downs and running out the clock in my book.If we look at other sports . . .Baseball both teams get their half inning just like any other inning.Baseketball has a timed period.Hockey has a timed sudden death period followed by penalty shots (BUT BOTH TEAMS GET CREDIT FOR AT LEAST A TIE).Soccer has a timed extra period (not sudden death) followed by penalty kicks.I don't know if people have problems with those outcomes as well . . .
trader jake
Footballguy
In the overtime formats. Try to keep up Shawshank.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Strongly prefer the NFL, but I think both systems are pretty dumb. The college system, while exciting, is sorta like shootouts in soccer; seems kinda wrong to decide a game in a fashion not very closely related to how the rest of the game is played.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
You didn't say overtime. I can keep up if you can articulate your position.In the overtime formats. Try to keep up Shawshank.
So what if it doesn't in college? I think it would in the pro's as it seems to me red zone offenses struggle a lot more than their college counterparts.
Please See Mine
Footballguy
What if Team A has to kick off instead of being able to punt if it fails to score a TD and doesn't want to try a FG?
BoulderBob
Footballguy
I love the college version, although I wouldn't be opposed to a simple 5-10 minute "5th quarter" to determine the winner. The Bears-Broncos game was a good example of the silliness involved in the NFL's version, once Hester and the Bears won the toss, it was all but over...
Captain Spaulding
Footballguy
I think the 1 offensive possession minumum for each is truly the best compromise for players and fans alike. I've always had a problem with the sudden death format in the NFL because most defenses are not properly conditioned for greater than 60 minutes. Even a middle of the road NFL offense against a #1 or #2 ranked NFL defense will usually have an advantage in OT. Just my observations over the years. If you do 1 possession each minumum then special teams (both coverage and return), defense and offense from both teams all get to participate into the outcome of the game.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Then I guess they would go for it on 4th down. There may be ways to make a better alternative than what we have, and it sounds like in this scenaio kicking off each possession would supplant the college system of starting at the 25 yard line.This would certainly eliminate the field position element of football. And what exactly would the rules be. For example, if TEAM A turns the ball over, does TEAM B still have to field a kickoff or do they have the option to take the ball where they got it?
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Why not? I think the race to the ball is much better than a coin flip. They should incorporate that into the NFL.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
FYI, I'm a big fan of ties. Much better than overtime.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
I don't understand how that's a good argument at all. Who cares what it does to scores and stats? That's how we keep track of the game, that shouldn't be how we influence our game decisions. To want the game to be decided in a less fair way because it inflates stats borders in ludicrous, IMO.Of course, it's an easy problem to fix -- you just don't count scores and stats in overtime.
No one wants a tie. This was a big issue in hockey. Go to the game, invest 3 hrs, up and down, then no one wins. It was a major complaint. People want to see someone win, and someone lose. People are cheering for their team to win. A tie is just ugly.
I agree with Joe, college overtime is awesome. Same with hockey shootouts. Sports is about entertainment, and the college system wins hands down.
I agree with Joe, college overtime is awesome. Same with hockey shootouts. Sports is about entertainment, and the college system wins hands down.
snogger
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I went with :Slightly Favor CollegeI like that both teams get a chance to get the ball. But think that kickoffs should still be a part of it.In my simpleton mind:Kickoff, if defense stops other team gets the ball.. If that team than scores game over.If the defense doesn't stop other team kicks off . Other team needs to match the other teams score or out score them. If they out score them than they win.If they match them than from there on out it is whomever scores first.Joe Bryant said:
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Much better than a boring field goal.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Yes, but they should make the two kickers race for it.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
I want to see ties.
GregR_2
Footballguy
When someone thinks a given situation is unfair, stating what amounts to "just overcome it" doesn't change anything. If they thought it was unfair before, they are still going to think it is unfair.I'd like to see both teams get a possession that starts with a kickoff. Team A gets the ball first. There is no reason to punt because when their series is done, Team B gets a fresh kickoff not related to Team A's field position. So both teams will go for it on 4th down. If neither team comes out the winner, then I'm fine with sudden death with Team A getting another fresh kickoff and play it out normally after. Or, continue on with that format for the rest of the quarter.
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snogger
Footballguy
to bold part. 
to the rest. Punting is as much a part of the game as the Kick-off. If you can't move the ball that means the defense did their job and the return team should get their chance. You should not be rewarded when you can't move the ball on offense and just letting them kick-off does just that.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I strongly favor the NFL system. Each team had 60 minutes to win the game in regulation. Once in OT I am in favor of ending the game as soon as possible. If you lose the coin-toss then play some special teams and defense and get the ball back.
My ideal overtime would be another 15 minute period with all ties standing as final at the end. Make it like the transition from the 3rd to the 4th quarter- the team with the ball keeps the ball right where they had it, no kickoffs to start overtime. Barring that, stick with the sudden death overtime format, but make it so the first team to 4 points wins (so a field goal can't win the game). Or barring both of those, just a standard sudden death overtime, but without the kickoff to start- whoever has the ball at the end of regulation keeps the ball in the exact same field position and situation. I really think that it's the arbitrarily-decided kickoff that makes overtime so unfair.
Football Outsiders has a unique overtime proposal. They say, instead of a coin toss deciding who goes first, why not have the teams bid for the ball? One team could say "the 10 yard line", for instance, and the other team has the choice of either starting with the ball there, or else letting the first team have the ball. If a coach really, really, really wanted the ball to start the overtime, he could say "the 1 yard line", and the other team would certainly give it to him. It's interesting, but I'm not the hugest of fans of it, because it's sort of like a shootout in hockey- it's an unnatural action that occurs nowhere else in the game deciding outcomes.
Football Outsiders has a unique overtime proposal. They say, instead of a coin toss deciding who goes first, why not have the teams bid for the ball? One team could say "the 10 yard line", for instance, and the other team has the choice of either starting with the ball there, or else letting the first team have the ball. If a coach really, really, really wanted the ball to start the overtime, he could say "the 1 yard line", and the other team would certainly give it to him. It's interesting, but I'm not the hugest of fans of it, because it's sort of like a shootout in hockey- it's an unnatural action that occurs nowhere else in the game deciding outcomes.
Intergalactic Kegger
Footballguy
Strongly favor the NFL. The college format unnecessarily punishes teams like the Bears and Browns who feature a major threat in the return game. There is no return at all - they get the ball placed at a spot. Special teams is 1/3 of the game, why take it out?
ninerfanatic492000
Footballguy
personally think college OT is the dumbest thing for football purposes ever invented. going sometimes into 8OT's or more is simply ridiculous
NFL OT is a microcosm of a game. kickoff coverage team has to its job-defense has to do its job-then offense has to do its job if u lose the coin toss. special teams and defense are equally important. if a team(Denver) can cover a damn kickoff then that's a 'u' (Denver) not a us(NFL) problem.
NFL OT is a microcosm of a game. kickoff coverage team has to its job-defense has to do its job-then offense has to do its job if u lose the coin toss. special teams and defense are equally important. if a team(Denver) can cover a damn kickoff then that's a 'u' (Denver) not a us(NFL) problem.
B-Deep
Footballguy
I don't think a sudden death first score format is any more "realistic" than the college thing. You are removing many elements from the game in that format as well.
The college format is great, it is entertaining, it is exciting, and i don;t see why the NFL would not do it. Do we know for certain that Arkansas was the better team than LSU, not really. But we also do not know that the Bears were better than the Broncos. In all cases the teams had 60 minutes to prove they were better and could not, so test them in OT however you want. The criteria for OT should be what is most enjoyable and exciting for the fans. Clearly, that is the college format.
The college format is great, it is entertaining, it is exciting, and i don;t see why the NFL would not do it. Do we know for certain that Arkansas was the better team than LSU, not really. But we also do not know that the Bears were better than the Broncos. In all cases the teams had 60 minutes to prove they were better and could not, so test them in OT however you want. The criteria for OT should be what is most enjoyable and exciting for the fans. Clearly, that is the college format.
Intergalactic Kegger
Footballguy
I agree with that change. Make each NFL OT period maybe 5-8 minutes long. The game ends if one team is leading at the end of an OT period.
B-Deep
Footballguy
the teams are not punished a all. The teams each have 60 minutes to use every aspect of their game to prove they are the best, if they cannot do that then they have no one to blame but themselves if the OT format does not play into their strengths.What matters is what makes this a better product to the fans, and that's the college way.
