Owner Issue: Opinions Needed (1 Viewer)

[Touchdown Syndrome]

I have been a commisioner for 20 years and would never start a draft if someone was three minutes late...I dont care if the owner that was late was a shark, guppie or whatever. And as far as his tantrum, put yourself in his shoes. You are three minutes late and you have a $51 player you dont want. How would you feel/act? The correct thing to do is impeach yourself immediately and find someone with morales to run the league. There have been owners late to our draft over the years and I would never had started one without trying to contact them and find out if they were having problems and when they planned on being there. You blew it...........you should resign immediately

I would have been annoyed with the auto-drafted player....but mostly annoyed with myself for not making it on time.

I would NOT have attempted to sabotage the draft, since I am not an entitled, whiny 7-year-old.

Are some people really siding with the quitting clown?

Yes, the situation could have been handled better by the commish, but there is literally no excuse for that owner's actions.

 

[Bad_Mo]

Guy sounds a bit slow on the uptake.

As a commish, if you have to repeat yourself three times, you have the right to terminate the idiot from the league. How many times is he going to ask about Ray Friggin Rice?

 

[Short Corner]

I don't understand how if you could get a new guy in 5 minutes, why when he didn't show up, didn't you put the draft on hold and get that guy to draft in his place.

Because their intent all along was to screw him over. Everything else is just hand waving in trying to justify their actions.

 

[C & C]

I don't understand how if you could get a new guy in 5 minutes, why when he didn't show up, didn't you put the draft on hold and get that guy to draft in his place.

Because he doesn't want the owner in the league. Now he's here hoping everyone tells him what he wants to hear...it's ok to replace the guy. Did the owner screw up? Absolutely. But as commish, your job is to run the ship. That means wait 5 minutes or 10 minutes. Then when the guy still isn't there, make the phone call get a new owner if you indeed could get a guy in 5 minutes. All told, the draft is stalled 30 minutes, but now you have 12 active guys involved. In reality the owner would have shown up and all would be well. Like I said, the owner screwed up and definitely shouldn't have thrown a tantrum. But the commish caused all of it.

 

[Amused to Death]

I don't understand how if you could get a new guy in 5 minutes, why when he didn't show up, didn't you put the draft on hold and get that guy to draft in his place.

Because he doesn't want the owner in the league. Now he's here hoping everyone tells him what he wants to hear...it's ok to replace the guy. Did the owner screw up? Absolutely. But as commish, your job is to run the ship. That means wait 5 minutes or 10 minutes. Then when the guy still isn't there, make the phone call get a new owner if you indeed could get a guy in 5 minutes. All told, the draft is stalled 30 minutes, but now you have 12 active guys involved. In reality the owner would have shown up and all would be well. Like I said, the owner screwed up and definitely shouldn't have thrown a tantrum. But the commish caused all of it.

Disagree. The bad owner caused all of it. The commish just didn't help.

 

[C & C]

I don't understand how if you could get a new guy in 5 minutes, why when he didn't show up, didn't you put the draft on hold and get that guy to draft in his place.

Because he doesn't want the owner in the league. Now he's here hoping everyone tells him what he wants to hear...it's ok to replace the guy. Did the owner screw up? Absolutely. But as commish, your job is to run the ship. That means wait 5 minutes or 10 minutes. Then when the guy still isn't there, make the phone call get a new owner if you indeed could get a guy in 5 minutes. All told, the draft is stalled 30 minutes, but now you have 12 active guys involved. In reality the owner would have shown up and all would be well. Like I said, the owner screwed up and definitely shouldn't have thrown a tantrum. But the commish caused all of it.

Disagree. The bad owner caused all of it. The commish just didn't help.

That's fair, but what I meant was the commish had a chance to be a leader here and by failing to due his duties he caused the rest of it. Would waiting inconvenience the other owners? Yes. The commish has to ask himself what's best for the league? Waiting was clearly the answer.

 

[Short Corner]

I don't understand how if you could get a new guy in 5 minutes, why when he didn't show up, didn't you put the draft on hold and get that guy to draft in his place.

Because he doesn't want the owner in the league. Now he's here hoping everyone tells him what he wants to hear...it's ok to replace the guy. Did the owner screw up? Absolutely. But as commish, your job is to run the ship. That means wait 5 minutes or 10 minutes. Then when the guy still isn't there, make the phone call get a new owner if you indeed could get a guy in 5 minutes. All told, the draft is stalled 30 minutes, but now you have 12 active guys involved. In reality the owner would have shown up and all would be well. Like I said, the owner screwed up and definitely shouldn't have thrown a tantrum. But the commish caused all of it.

Disagree. The bad owner caused all of it. The commish just didn't help.

In every league I have commished, I have never allowed a draft to continue minus an owner. If a timer is about to run out, I pause the draft and make sure he hasn't dc'd rather than allow an auto pick. The draft is the most important event of the season and to start a draft like this is unforgivable. Sure the owner being late didn't help, but, like the previous poster stated, it is the commish's job to make sure the ship sails smoothly and he failed miserably. 90-95% of the blame belongs to the commish IMO. Three minutes? You have to be ####### kidding me.

 

[Amused to Death]

I don't understand how if you could get a new guy in 5 minutes, why when he didn't show up, didn't you put the draft on hold and get that guy to draft in his place.

Because he doesn't want the owner in the league. Now he's here hoping everyone tells him what he wants to hear...it's ok to replace the guy. Did the owner screw up? Absolutely. But as commish, your job is to run the ship. That means wait 5 minutes or 10 minutes. Then when the guy still isn't there, make the phone call get a new owner if you indeed could get a guy in 5 minutes. All told, the draft is stalled 30 minutes, but now you have 12 active guys involved. In reality the owner would have shown up and all would be well. Like I said, the owner screwed up and definitely shouldn't have thrown a tantrum. But the commish caused all of it.

Disagree. The bad owner caused all of it. The commish just didn't help.

In every league I have commished, I have never allowed a draft to continue minus an owner. If a timer is about to run out, I pause the draft and make sure he hasn't dc'd rather than allow an auto pick. The draft is the most important event of the season and to start a draft like this is unforgivable. Sure the owner being late didn't help, but, like the previous poster stated, it is the commish's job to make sure the ship sails smoothly and he failed miserably. 90-95% of the blame belongs to the commish IMO. Three minutes? You have to be ####### kidding me.

But it was all caused by the owner...the commish didn't help. You're a great commish. IMO, when an owner quits, he quits. All opinions, its ok if we disagree who's more to blame. The most important question is, how does the rest of the league feel about it?

 

[massraider]

But it was all caused by the owner...the commish didn't help.

Definitely. It doesn't sound like the league is missing much by having this owner out.

I still think I'd put it to a league vote. He'd probably get voted out anyway. And maybe it'd be for the best. He can maybe find a league with fun guys next time.

 

[silentcoach]

I do not know why he WANTS to be in this league.

 

[Short Corner]

I don't understand how if you could get a new guy in 5 minutes, why when he didn't show up, didn't you put the draft on hold and get that guy to draft in his place.

Because he doesn't want the owner in the league. Now he's here hoping everyone tells him what he wants to hear...it's ok to replace the guy. Did the owner screw up? Absolutely. But as commish, your job is to run the ship. That means wait 5 minutes or 10 minutes. Then when the guy still isn't there, make the phone call get a new owner if you indeed could get a guy in 5 minutes. All told, the draft is stalled 30 minutes, but now you have 12 active guys involved. In reality the owner would have shown up and all would be well. Like I said, the owner screwed up and definitely shouldn't have thrown a tantrum. But the commish caused all of it.

Disagree. The bad owner caused all of it. The commish just didn't help.

In every league I have commished, I have never allowed a draft to continue minus an owner. If a timer is about to run out, I pause the draft and make sure he hasn't dc'd rather than allow an auto pick. The draft is the most important event of the season and to start a draft like this is unforgivable. Sure the owner being late didn't help, but, like the previous poster stated, it is the commish's job to make sure the ship sails smoothly and he failed miserably. 90-95% of the blame belongs to the commish IMO. Three minutes? You have to be ####### kidding me.

But it was all caused by the owner...the commish didn't help. You're a great commish. IMO, when an owner quits, he quits. All opinions, its ok if we disagree who's more to blame. The most important question is, how does the rest of the league feel about it?

It sounds like the league wanted him out before any of this went down or somebody would have stood up and delayed the start. No way I want any part of a league like this. I'll take a ####ty owner over a ####ty commish every time.

 

[everydayj]

I put it up to a league vote. We just reached a consensus to let the guy stay in the league. There was no motive here with us trying to kick the guy out of the league. I mentioned that he's not competitive because he's usually not. He's a great guy, though.

Perhaps I screwed up by not pausing the draft. I can accept that.

 

[everydayj]

I don't understand how if you could get a new guy in 5 minutes, why when he didn't show up, didn't you put the draft on hold and get that guy to draft in his place.

Because he doesn't want the owner in the league. Now he's here hoping everyone tells him what he wants to hear...it's ok to replace the guy. Did the owner screw up? Absolutely. But as commish, your job is to run the ship. That means wait 5 minutes or 10 minutes. Then when the guy still isn't there, make the phone call get a new owner if you indeed could get a guy in 5 minutes. All told, the draft is stalled 30 minutes, but now you have 12 active guys involved. In reality the owner would have shown up and all would be well. Like I said, the owner screwed up and definitely shouldn't have thrown a tantrum. But the commish caused all of it.

Disagree. The bad owner caused all of it. The commish just didn't help.

In every league I have commished, I have never allowed a draft to continue minus an owner. If a timer is about to run out, I pause the draft and make sure he hasn't dc'd rather than allow an auto pick. The draft is the most important event of the season and to start a draft like this is unforgivable. Sure the owner being late didn't help, but, like the previous poster stated, it is the commish's job to make sure the ship sails smoothly and he failed miserably. 90-95% of the blame belongs to the commish IMO. Three minutes? You have to be ####### kidding me.

But it was all caused by the owner...the commish didn't help. You're a great commish. IMO, when an owner quits, he quits. All opinions, its ok if we disagree who's more to blame. The most important question is, how does the rest of the league feel about it?

It sounds like the league wanted him out before any of this went down or somebody would have stood up and delayed the start. No way I want any part of a league like this. I'll take a ####ty owner over a ####ty commish every time.

Granted, I'm putting myself out there by just even posting here, but hell, I've been the commissioner of the league for over eight years with five in the current configuration but I'm a ####ty commissioner because I let the draft start and his team auto-drafts somebody right off the bat?

Wow.

 

[BroadwayG]

make it in to a 13 team leagu

 

[silentcoach]

I put it up to a league vote. We just reached a consensus to let the guy stay in the league. There was no motive here with us trying to kick the guy out of the league. I mentioned that he's not competitive because he's usually not. He's a great guy, though.

Perhaps I screwed up by not pausing the draft. I can accept that.

meh, just come up with a rule and then everyone knows what to accept from now on. Vote on whether (1) do you wait for someone who is late, and (2) if you do not wait, does that person get an auto pick or just no pick.

good work with the league vote for this situation.

I do not necessarily agree with how the situation at the draft was handled but in the end you guys learned something from this.

 

[Short Corner]

I don't understand how if you could get a new guy in 5 minutes, why when he didn't show up, didn't you put the draft on hold and get that guy to draft in his place.

Because he doesn't want the owner in the league. Now he's here hoping everyone tells him what he wants to hear...it's ok to replace the guy. Did the owner screw up? Absolutely. But as commish, your job is to run the ship. That means wait 5 minutes or 10 minutes. Then when the guy still isn't there, make the phone call get a new owner if you indeed could get a guy in 5 minutes. All told, the draft is stalled 30 minutes, but now you have 12 active guys involved. In reality the owner would have shown up and all would be well. Like I said, the owner screwed up and definitely shouldn't have thrown a tantrum. But the commish caused all of it.

Disagree. The bad owner caused all of it. The commish just didn't help.

In every league I have commished, I have never allowed a draft to continue minus an owner. If a timer is about to run out, I pause the draft and make sure he hasn't dc'd rather than allow an auto pick. The draft is the most important event of the season and to start a draft like this is unforgivable. Sure the owner being late didn't help, but, like the previous poster stated, it is the commish's job to make sure the ship sails smoothly and he failed miserably. 90-95% of the blame belongs to the commish IMO. Three minutes? You have to be ####### kidding me.

But it was all caused by the owner...the commish didn't help. You're a great commish. IMO, when an owner quits, he quits. All opinions, its ok if we disagree who's more to blame. The most important question is, how does the rest of the league feel about it?

It sounds like the league wanted him out before any of this went down or somebody would have stood up and delayed the start. No way I want any part of a league like this. I'll take a ####ty owner over a ####ty commish every time.

Granted, I'm putting myself out there by just even posting here, but hell, I've been the commissioner of the league for over eight years with five in the current configuration but I'm a ####ty commissioner because I let the draft start and his team auto-drafts somebody right off the bat?

Wow.

Pretty much

 

[Hoss Style]

I don't understand how if you could get a new guy in 5 minutes, why when he didn't show up, didn't you put the draft on hold and get that guy to draft in his place.

Because he doesn't want the owner in the league. Now he's here hoping everyone tells him what he wants to hear...it's ok to replace the guy. Did the owner screw up? Absolutely. But as commish, your job is to run the ship. That means wait 5 minutes or 10 minutes. Then when the guy still isn't there, make the phone call get a new owner if you indeed could get a guy in 5 minutes. All told, the draft is stalled 30 minutes, but now you have 12 active guys involved. In reality the owner would have shown up and all would be well. Like I said, the owner screwed up and definitely shouldn't have thrown a tantrum. But the commish caused all of it.

Disagree. The bad owner caused all of it. The commish just didn't help.

In every league I have commished, I have never allowed a draft to continue minus an owner. If a timer is about to run out, I pause the draft and make sure he hasn't dc'd rather than allow an auto pick. The draft is the most important event of the season and to start a draft like this is unforgivable. Sure the owner being late didn't help, but, like the previous poster stated, it is the commish's job to make sure the ship sails smoothly and he failed miserably. 90-95% of the blame belongs to the commish IMO. Three minutes? You have to be ####### kidding me.

But it was all caused by the owner...the commish didn't help. You're a great commish. IMO, when an owner quits, he quits. All opinions, its ok if we disagree who's more to blame. The most important question is, how does the rest of the league feel about it?

It sounds like the league wanted him out before any of this went down or somebody would have stood up and delayed the start. No way I want any part of a league like this. I'll take a ####ty owner over a ####ty commish every time.

Granted, I'm putting myself out there by just even posting here, but hell, I've been the commissioner of the league for over eight years with five in the current configuration but I'm a ####ty commissioner because I let the draft start and his team auto-drafts somebody right off the bat?

Wow.

You're not putting yourself out there, really. None of us know you (I think).

You made a ####ty move by not waiting 3 minutes for a 5 year owner. You made a mature/good commish move by handling it with a vote and accepting that you might have made a mistake.

Everyone who's commished (new word) has made a mistake. We'll remember those mistakes when something similar happens in the future. The fact that you care at all shows you have good intentions which is hard to find these days.

Don't listen to the people who think they can sum up the character of your league by one mistake that was made. You handled it well in the end - now move on.

 

[ImTheScientist]

While I can certainly see paying $51 out of $200 for Russell Wilson, I wouldnt let him back because he said he quit. Who's to say the next time something happens he doesn't like he won't quit again?

 

[Alberta Clipper]

As a commish of 4 leagues for 8+ yrs including 1 auction keeper league which has the auction at ESPN I would use the commish tools to delay the start of the auction until everyone is accounted for. We do a roll call prior to starting. I'll type 1, another owner types 2, etc. until we see all 12 ready to go. After 8 yrs of auctions I've seen all sorts of valid reasons why an owner is late. Make sure everyone has the commish cell # and make sure they are responsible for their own team. i.e. if you lose internet and don't phone 1/2 way through then you're stuck with the auto auction picks.

But at the beginning it only makes sense to wait that extra 5-10 mins. My owners are very competitive but would likely yell at me to pause the auction b/c 'xxx' is not here. At ESPN you can tell which owners (if any) are on auto draft. Sometimes that is common in the later stages but not usually a good sign at the begin.

As for what to do now I think once he tried to hurt the value of his team and quit that there's no going back.

Good luck to everyone involved.

 

[longjfg4]

I have been and am still a commissioner of a long time league for over 13 years. I started the league with close buddies and due to various reasons(by the owners themselves), we have had several turnovers throughout the years. We too have a long waiting list of owners just scratching at the door trying to get into the league.

I have had to endure many difficult decisions over the years for what was best for our league. Because the league was made up of close friends originally, I was lenient regarding fees/payment, (i.e "can I pay you next Friday"), for too long. A couple of years, we had owners not pay their fees in full until the end of the season. This would infuriate me but more so, embarrass me for allowing this to happen. I even ousted a couple of owners due to their laziness about paying on time. These were good competitors, #### talkers and very involved guys and were not easily replaced with the same type of involvement. Of course they were upset and have never spoken to me since.

To attempt to remedy this, I quickly wrote bylaws about payment and posted a "zero tolerance" message to every current and future owner. Every once in a while, I will still get a ("can I pay you next Friday") routine. That's when I have to perform a gut check and really know the circumstances before I make a decision.

Where is this going.....

I explain this because, If you are running a league you have to ask yourself what is best for the league. A late payment and friendship and good competition, or boot out and roll the dice on the next owner being a better fit are hard decisions to make sometimes. Not everyone wants or can be commissioners for these reasons.

If the owner you had for 5 years was that bad and you have a long list of teams waiting to join, then why wasn't he/she replaced prior. If the owner has been in the league for 5 years then I assume the rest of the league is comfortable with him/her so why allow the boat to be rocked at this point. If what you say is true about the apologies from the owner, then I think the league should be allowed to vote on whether to allow him/her to return. The season hasn't started yet and sometimes you have to allow people to vent.

Remember, the draft and season is what we make of it each and every year. Sometimes they are EPIC, and other times they are DUDS. I have enjoyed every league I have been in and have learned tons of valuable information and how to better my league from each of them. I also have learned to be a bit more patient and understanding about the everyday lives of my friends, because #### HAPPENS and we have to deal with it.