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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Insein
Footballguy
Yaahhh.... that sucked. On the plus side I have Foster as my other RB.
Houston turmOiler
Footballguy
Amen brother...
solorca
Footballguy
I ended up benching him this week (for Stevie Johnson, who also had a terrible game), because I had a feeling that Carolina would shut him down. They've been pretty solid over the past few games.
I thought he'd get a lot more screen passes though, especially in a game that was relatively close.
I thought he'd get a lot more screen passes though, especially in a game that was relatively close.
Bronx Bomber
Footballguy
Thank you Dez for carrying DMC on your shoulders today, Trent too so far.
az_prof
Footballguy
I agree with this and the zone blocking scheme was a reason why I was not recommending him this off season. Another season of nagging injuries too though.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Wonder if he blows up next week just to shove it in the face of his fantasy owners.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Never again you overpaid fragile jerk!
Not even in the 6th round - you're dead to me!
Not even in the 6th round - you're dead to me!
solorca
Footballguy
I'll almost guarantee it.
Bronx Bomber
Footballguy
This. I'll roster him in dynasty were I can build it so he is my RB3/flex
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Insein....wait.Yaahhh.... that sucked. On the plus side I have Foster as my other RB.
Insein
Footballguy
Too late.Insein....wait.Yaahhh.... that sucked. On the plus side I have Foster as my other RB.
solorca
Footballguy
Maybe I'm a glutton for punishment, but I think there is a good chance he'll end up on some of my teams again next year if he drops to the 3rd round or later.
I managed to win my league despite him being my first round pick, and frankly, he had a couple bad games, but he gave me solid RB1/2 level performance in the other weeks (ppr scoring of course).
I managed to win my league despite him being my first round pick, and frankly, he had a couple bad games, but he gave me solid RB1/2 level performance in the other weeks (ppr scoring of course).
squistion
Footballguy
An encouraging note for DMC's Dynasty owners - adios zone blocking scheme:
http://www.sacbee.com/2013/01/20/5127005/new-hire-signals-help-for-mcfadden.html#mi_rss=Raiders
http://www.sacbee.com/2013/01/20/5127005/new-hire-signals-help-for-mcfadden.html#mi_rss=Raiders
raiders just hired tony sparano as the oline coach with other offensive assistant duties. in this role, and his hc role, his teams have been fairly competent at running the ball over the years. reggie bush and ricky williams had rebirths in miami. ronnie brown has some successful years. barber and julius in dallas. last yr shon greene was useful.
need2know
Footballguy
can sparano stop him from getting injured every season which causes him to miss multiple games? can sparano get better QB play for the raiders? if not, it wont mean much
Amused to Death
Footballguy
You're crazy.But I'm torn now as well. I was ready to part ways with him this off-season. Might have to ride it out one more season.
John 14:6
Jesus is Lord!
I think he may be one of my keepers now. I'm worried that if I let him go he'll blow up next year...
replacements
Footballguy
And that sir, is the curse of owning mcfadden. i am cursed as well.
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
truer words have never been written.Englishteacher
Footballguy
QUESTION: Injuries are a concern, but how do you guys feel about the probability of McFadden suffering a major, long-term, structural injury that would cut his career short?My Thoughts: Without that type of injury, a career threatening one, I'm holding. Guy is just so loaded with a certain type of talent that you hold. Yeah, he's frustrating to own, but I've had him in dynasty since his rookie year and I think he's one of the top talents in the game. Perhaps, he'll have better luck with the nicks that keep him out of action. It's football, guys get hurt and he plays hard. But, unless I get information that either the style of athlete he is (physically) is short-lived, I take the long-term approach and appreciate the upside when it happens to come together. In the short sample size we have of his career, he's demonstrated that when healthy and playing in a style of football that suits his strengths, he can do things few others can do.Lastly, I've read a couple of places DMC is a bit of a thug. Could it be that he hasn't learned to take care of himself well and keep himself in optimum condition, aka a Jerry Rice? If what I've read is true and this is the case, I could see room for improvement in his physical conditioning, thus more likelihood for him to stay healthy.
squistion
Footballguy
Sweet Love
IBL Representative
Huh? One of the top talents in the game? He had one good year, averages about 11 games played a year and has a career 4.3ypc. Sorry, but if he was one of the top talents in the game, that would not be his 5 year career so far. You are a dynasty owner, so his 2010 is clouding your judgement.
Sure, maybe he is a value this year, but let's not go crazy. There is a lot more evidence that 2010 was fluky and/or due to his OL play (have no idea) than 2010 being his norm and injuries derailing him. Did you watch any of his games last year? I didn't own him at all, I've only had him once (2011), but I watched him play in a couple games and he looked terrible. He didn't look like a RB whose team was holding him back, he looked like a guy who had no idea what he was doing. Maybe he (and the Raiders) caught the world by surprise in 2010, but that doesn't mean going back to it in 2013 is going to equal 2010.
If he drops far enough, I might take a chance, but people need to be a little realistic here. If you are hoping that a change in scheme is going to resurrect him, that means he isn't a top talent, it means he is a one trick pony and you are hoping that defenses won't cover that one trick. As I said above, maybe the Raiders caught everyone by surprise in 2010 seeing as how McFadden was completely ineffective in 2009.
Gawain
Footballguy
Added him this offseason. Hope that playing for a contract gives him the motivation to light the lamp one more time. Also hoping that Latavius Murray emerges as a clear hand cuff. The situation last year with about 12 dudes getting picked up would not be a situation I'd love. If Flynn or Wilson can at least force teams to respect the pass and the departure from the ZBS can get his YPC back to 4.5, he might see 250 carries and 40 catches. That'd probably make him a low-end RB1.
For a guy who has never gotten more than 223 carries in a year, projecting him at 250 is probably not wise. Not sure if Flynn/a rookie will make defenses respect the pass more than Palmer. While Palmer wasn't great, he threw for 4018 yards and I can't imagine Flynn/Wilson exceeding that. The more I think about McFadden being a potential value, the more I think I would rather grab Colston/Wayne/Welker/Brady/Ryan than even take a chance on McFadden. I don't think he is going low enough based on the floor (2009/2012) he could hit. The guys I listed are guys around where McFadden is ranked in redraft-ppr on FBGs. If that is where he goes, no way is he on my team. I just don't think he chance to repeat 2010 is even close to his chance to repeat 2012, especially as you mention that he drops from having a 4000 yard passer in Palmer to Flynn/a rookie.
Gawain
Footballguy
Which really just comes back to his health. He played in 13 games in 2010 and during 2010 and 2011 he had a YPC in the mid fives. My only real hope is that he's playing for a new contract which keeps him on the field. I don't anticipate Flynn/Wilson performing better than Palmer, just hope they can keep defenses somewhat honest.
All that said, I'm not putting myself in a position to really rely on him and would have a tough time drafting him at the end of the second or beginning of the third like his redraft ADP.
Protocols of Stringer Bell
Footballguy
The rb version of Roy Williams. Top ten pick, one good year that we think is the floor when it looks like it may have been the ceiling, also, I know scheme is a big deal, but can you imagine Adrian Peterson having a season as bad as mcFadden and someone blaming it all on the rushing scheme?
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
F this guy!
Yes I traded for him last year...oh and who did I trade? Some Peterson guy.
Yes I traded for him last year...oh and who did I trade? Some Peterson guy.
Warrior
Footballguy
The motivation of Mr. Glass is irrelevant. He's just as succeptible to injury as a non-motivated Mr. Glass.
az_prof
Footballguy
I have been a critic of McFadden because I thought he was overrated and fairly one dimensional. I also do not like players who cannot play hurt; not talking about ACLs--those happen. But in the NFL you have to play nicked up. Look at a guys like Bradshaw, Peterson, Lynch, Rice, etc., and they play hurt and are still effective. McFadden has not done that; he is soft. It isn't just that he injury prone; he is soft.
He is one dimensional in the sense that he cannot create; he needs a good hole. He isn't strong enough to break tackles and he doesn't have a lot of wiggle to make people miss.
He has exceptional speed and good hands. If he stayed healthy and could play hurt, he could be a Chris Johnson. But I wouldn't bet on it.
I see him as a RB3. I would not want to count on him in my everyday lineup although he would be a good flex. I DO like the change in scheme and think it will help him improve on last year. The scheme they ran last year was bad for him and anyone who had watched him run in it before knew to avoid him last year. I think he is a good value with the change in scheme if you can get him as your third or fourth back.
He is one dimensional in the sense that he cannot create; he needs a good hole. He isn't strong enough to break tackles and he doesn't have a lot of wiggle to make people miss.
He has exceptional speed and good hands. If he stayed healthy and could play hurt, he could be a Chris Johnson. But I wouldn't bet on it.
I see him as a RB3. I would not want to count on him in my everyday lineup although he would be a good flex. I DO like the change in scheme and think it will help him improve on last year. The scheme they ran last year was bad for him and anyone who had watched him run in it before knew to avoid him last year. I think he is a good value with the change in scheme if you can get him as your third or fourth back.
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Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
keep the hate coming guys, you're doing great!
butcher boy
Footballguy
Change in scheme can't help much if he's on the sideline recovering from a stretched _(fill in the blank)_ muscle.
If people want to keep banging their head on the wall repeatedly with this guy, let them.
If people want to keep banging their head on the wall repeatedly with this guy, let them.
karmarooster
Footballguy
I could see some decent value here, would appreciate a few of you guys who have "sworn off this bum" to draft ahead of me in the mid to late 3rd round.
ADP looks like McFadden is the LAST of the backs who have shown some decent upside (Wilson + Miller) and McFadden is ahead of only the completely unproven rookies (Bell, Ball) and the unknown, unproven, and equally injury prone (Ivory, Bradshaw, and Mathews).
I would totally take him late 3rd, early 4th and consider it a steal if a few of my fav WRs are gone.
ADP looks like McFadden is the LAST of the backs who have shown some decent upside (Wilson + Miller) and McFadden is ahead of only the completely unproven rookies (Bell, Ball) and the unknown, unproven, and equally injury prone (Ivory, Bradshaw, and Mathews).
I would totally take him late 3rd, early 4th and consider it a steal if a few of my fav WRs are gone.
az_prof
Footballguy
Bradshaw is not unproven; he has done more with less opportunity (late pick who was not handed a starting job the way McFadden was) by a long shot. It is true that Bradshaw is on a new team and that could impact his production. It is also true that he is an injury risk, but unlike McFadden, Bradshaw plays hurt and plays well.
Bradshaw:
Attempts: 921 Yards 4232 YPC 4.6 TDs 32 Receptions 132 Receiving Yards1087 McFadden:
Attempts 769 Yards 3334 YPC 4.3 TDs 18 Receptions 158 Rec. Yards 1449 Jonathan Stewart:
Attempts: 818 Yards: 3836 YPC 4.7 TDs 27 Receptions 98 Rec Yards 859 So, why should McFadden be drafted in the third or early fourth, when you could get Bradshaw or Stewart many rounds later? His YPC on a similar number of carries--a statistically meaningful number--is significantly less. His TDs are far less. He catches more and could be more valuable in PPR, but it isn't enough to compensate for the lack of TDs. All three are injury risks.
Tau837
Footballguy
To the bolded, because we aren't drafting for past production. As of today, there is every reason to believe McFadden will get more touches this season than either Bradshaw or Stewart, and quite possibly by a large margin. And McFadden's production per touch when playing in the style of offense he will play in this season is comparable to or better than the others. Are you really puzzled by this? The answer to your question is obvious.
