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[karmarooster]

I feel like poking some holes in these projections because bar review is just so damn boring.

Bradshaw:

Attempts: 921 Yards YPC 4.6 TDs 32 Receptions 132 Receiving Yards

921 yards @ 4.6 YPC = 200 carries.

Last year, Indy thew 628 passes vs. 440 rushes... with Andrew Luck as a rookie. That's more passes than Atlanta. Roughly 59/41%. With Andrew Luck developing, I don't see that tilting more towards the ground game. If anything, they might continue to throw it more with Luck's development. Switching DHB for Avery is basically a push, and now the rookie TEs are a year older. Plus, there's Vick Ballard, Donald Brown, and Delone Carter (if all make the roster) to compete for carries. Of course, the addition of Bradshaw could signal a renewed emphasis on the ground.

Injury potential aside (which is quite substantial for Bradshaw), I think 200 carries is his absolute healthy ceiling in the offense next to other RBs, but I think 150-200 is more likely given Luck, and other RBs. In contrast, if DMC is healthy, he is the THE guy in Oakland.

Over the last 3 seasons (48 games), Bradshaw has started 66% of games, and at least played in 87.5%. That estimates Bradshaw's games this year between 10 - 14 games. All the more reason to have him closer to 150 carries than 200 carries. IMO, the biggest effect of Bradshaw's move to Indy is to destroy Ballard's value and cap his own. Not much upside here, if everything breaks right he's a max 200 carry, 40 reception, borderline RB2 with injury risk.

Jonathan Stewart:

Attempts: 818 Yards: 3836 YPC 4.7 TDs 27 Receptions 98 Rec Yards 859

See this article by Dr. Jene Bramel, voicing serious concerns about JStew's health: http://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/article.php?article=13bramel_jonathan_stewart_ankles

And yes Stewart's career YPC is 4.7, but it was almost as putrid as DMC last year at 3.6. Stewart hasn't seen this number of carries (~175) since 2009 + 2010, before the Cam Newton area. For Stewart to really break out and have 175-200+ carries, not only does he need to stay healthy (probably the biggest risk among these 3 RBs), he probably needs at least one of D-Will and/or Tolbert to miss time. So, not only is Stewart NOT healthy, he has tons of competition for carries, and the offense doesn't run through him.

The only thing DMC shares with Stewart is injury risk - if DMC plays, he has no competition and the offense does run through him.

McFadden:

Attempts 769 Yards YPC 4.3 TDs 18 Receptions 158 Rec. Yards

This is where things get funky. 760 yrds @ 4.3 YPC = 178 carries, so that's healthy for roughly more than half the season. But 18 receptions? He had almost that many in the first game last year. Over 44 career starts, DMC averages about 3.5 receptions per game. 2.7 per game if you consider all games played and not starts. So these receptions totals in line with him playing 5 or 6 games.

Yes his YPC last year was putrid. But he was 5.2 and 5.4 the two years prior, and 4.4 as a limited rookie. IF the offensive scheme is designed around his strengths, I imagine his YPC will be closer to 5 than 3.3. Of course there's not that much talent on the team, so under 5 is probably safe. His career average minus last year is ~4.7. Anyways 4.3 isn't that bad, but 4.5 is still safe.

Projecting the number of games played and/or number of carries is a real crap shoot. But you know that IF he plays, not only is he the clear lead back, he's the center of the offense. So carries, receptions, and a modest number of TDs. But here's my best guess:

• 12 games played, 17 carries a game, 209 carries @ 4.5 YPC = 943 yards.
• 40 receptions, @ 7 YPC = 280 yards.
• 6-8 TDs
• So ~17-18 points per game PPR. Not that dissimilar to Bradshaw above in volume, but greater in PPG, and much more upside

All of the above gets to why DMC is a nice late 3rd round pickup - IF he stays healthy, he has upside that, IMO, only Wilson shares among 3rd round RBs. I don't think I even need to cover Mathews, because he shares DMC's turd factor and has never shown similar ceiling (eh, on second thought, I guess he has shown 1,500 yard/50 reception upside.)

With the other mid-round RBs (not just Bradshaw and Stewart, but probably including Miller), if you "hit", you're only hitting a single or double. If you "hit" on DMC, we all know there is at least a chance he returns to ~1,500 total yards, 50 receptions, and 8-10 TDs.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

The projections that make DMC a late 3rd or 4th round pick are skewed. He's incredible value there. You could take a "safer" pick in Stewart or Bradshaw. But on a PPG ceiling, those guys have nothing on DMC going into a contract year. Even if the production is cut short due to injury, DMC has the ability to carry your team to some early season victories. Much better value even if the commulative points may fall somewhere less. As FF "owners", the only stats that matter are the "W's" to get to the FF playoffs.

 

[Banger]

The projections that make DMC a late 3rd or 4th round pick are skewed. He's incredible value there. You could take a "safer" pick in Stewart or Bradshaw. But on a PPG ceiling, those guys have nothing on DMC going into a contract year. Even if the production is cut short due to injury, DMC has the ability to carry your team to some early season victories. Much better value even if the commulative points may fall somewhere less. As FF "owners", the only stats that matter are the "W's" to get to the FF playoffs.

I don't even see how Stewart or Bradshaw are "safer" picks. They have both struggled mightily with injuries as has DMC and they are both in new offenses to them and their roles haven't necessarily been defined.

 

[T with T]

I could see some decent value here, would appreciate a few of you guys who have "sworn off this bum" to draft ahead of me in the mid to late 3rd round.

ADP looks like McFadden is the LAST of the backs who have shown some decent upside (Wilson + Miller) and McFadden is ahead of only the completely unproven rookies (Bell, Ball) and the unknown, unproven, and equally injury prone (Ivory, Bradshaw, and Mathews).

I would totally take him late 3rd, early 4th and consider it a steal if a few of my fav WRs are gone.

Bradshaw is not unproven; he has done more with less opportunity (late pick who was not handed a starting job the way McFadden was) by a long shot. It is true that Bradshaw is on a new team and that could impact his production. It is also true that he is an injury risk, but unlike McFadden, Bradshaw plays hurt and plays well.

Bradshaw:

Attempts: 921 Yards 4232 YPC 4.6 TDs 32 Receptions 132 Receiving Yards1087McFadden:

Attempts 769 Yards 3334 YPC 4h

To the bolded, because we aren't drafting for past production. As of today, there is every reason to believe McFadden will get more touches this season than either Bradshaw or Stewart, and quite possibly by a large margin. And McFadden's production per touch when playing in the style of offense he will play in this season is comparable to or better than the others. Are you really puzzled by this? The answer to your question is obvious.

Thank you for clearing that up for us Didn't think that needed to be explained either rather obvious.

 

[butcher boy]

None of them are safe picks by any definition. If anything, this just shows that this year it makes even more sense to secure RBs early, even earlier than round 4. In pretty much all of my mocks, I've hated almost everyone left at RB by round 4. I've been much happier with the teams where I grabbed at least 2 RBs before then.

 

[T with T]

It would take a Mayan apocalypse for me to ever have this turd on one of my teams ever again. I don't even care how far he falls. Banned.

an attitude like that is sure fire fantasy football failure.. first rule you can't get to attached and you can't get to detached where a player like him is banned from your team say. So if he was there in the 6-8th round for some crazy reason you wouldn't draft him, that sounds like a bad plan. Don't pout about the past burns he gave you, Im sure he can make up for it .

 

[ShaHBucks]

I could see some decent value here, would appreciate a few of you guys who have "sworn off this bum" to draft ahead of me in the mid to late 3rd round.

ADP looks like McFadden is the LAST of the backs who have shown some decent upside (Wilson + Miller) and McFadden is ahead of only the completely unproven rookies (Bell, Ball) and the unknown, unproven, and equally injury prone (Ivory, Bradshaw, and Mathews).

I would totally take him late 3rd, early 4th and consider it a steal if a few of my fav WRs are gone.

Bradshaw is not unproven; he has done more with less opportunity (late pick who was not handed a starting job the way McFadden was) by a long shot. It is true that Bradshaw is on a new team and that could impact his production. It is also true that he is an injury risk, but unlike McFadden, Bradshaw plays hurt and plays well.Bradshaw: Attempts: 921 Yards 4232 YPC 4.6 TDs 32 Receptions 132 Receiving Yards1087

McFadden: Attempts 769 Yards 3334 YPC 4.3 TDs 18 Receptions 158 Rec. Yards 1449

Jonathan Stewart: Attempts: 818 Yards: 3836 YPC 4.7 TDs 27 Receptions 98 Rec Yards 859

So, why should McFadden be drafted in the third or early fourth, when you could get Bradshaw or Stewart many rounds later? His YPC on a similar number of carries--a statistically meaningful number--is significantly less. His TDs are far less. He catches more and could be more valuable in PPR, but it isn't enough to compensate for the lack of TDs. All three are injury risks.

I think his injury history is factored into the price. In mocks where I take Graham in the 2nd you have your choice of DMC/Murray/Mathews as RB2-3's. It's pretty obvious why.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Coach Dennis Allen reiterated that getting Darren McFadden going is a priority this season.
McFadden is loving the downhill blocking/power scheme the Raiders have implemented. He was clearly a fish out of water in last year's zone-blocking mess and the coaches have corrected it. "Darren's one of our most explosive players and we've got to put him in position so that he can have success." McFadden has significant bounce-back appeal as he heads into a contract year.


Source: Contra Costa Times

 

[Clifford]

I'm gonna say 1800 total and 10 tds. Just cause this game is that unpredictable.

 

[3quinox]

Rotoworld:

Coach Dennis Allen reiterated that getting Darren McFadden going is a priority this season.
McFadden is loving the downhill blocking/power scheme the Raiders have implemented. He was clearly a fish out of water in last year's zone-blocking mess and the coaches have corrected it. "Darren's one of our most explosive players and we've got to put him in position so that he can have success." McFadden has significant bounce-back appeal as he heads into a contract year.


Source: Contra Costa Times

I guess my only question is, why not do this sooner? Of course he is loving the downhill power scheme, he is a downhill runner. Why did the staff wait the whole season to correct what 99% of the people knew to be the problem?

 

[squistion]

Rotoworld:

Coach Dennis Allen reiterated that getting Darren McFadden going is a priority this season.
McFadden is loving the downhill blocking/power scheme the Raiders have implemented. He was clearly a fish out of water in last year's zone-blocking mess and the coaches have corrected it. "Darren's one of our most explosive players and we've got to put him in position so that he can have success." McFadden has significant bounce-back appeal as he heads into a contract year.


Source: Contra Costa Times

I guess my only question is, why not do this sooner? Of course he is loving the downhill power scheme, he is a downhill runner. Why did the staff wait the whole season to correct what 99% of the people knew to be the problem?

It was the prior OC and he would have had to change his entire zone offense scheme to fit DMC. Instead he tried to fit a square peg into a round hole by having DMC adapt to his offense.

 

[bakes]

Rotoworld:

Coach Dennis Allen reiterated that getting Darren McFadden going is a priority this season.
McFadden is loving the downhill blocking/power scheme the Raiders have implemented. He was clearly a fish out of water in last year's zone-blocking mess and the coaches have corrected it. "Darren's one of our most explosive players and we've got to put him in position so that he can have success." McFadden has significant bounce-back appeal as he heads into a contract year.


Source: Contra Costa Times

I guess my only question is, why not do this sooner? Of course he is loving the downhill power scheme, he is a downhill runner. Why did the staff wait the whole season to correct what 99% of the people knew to be the problem?

It was the prior OC and he would have had to change his entire zone offense scheme to fit DMC. Instead he tried to fit a square peg into a round hole by having DMC adapt to his offense.

This, exactly. I had him on one of my teams last year and it was infuriating to watch, much like how Minnesota misused Herschel Walker back in the day.

I'm not averse to drafting him and his injury history may well make him good value; however, I'd only draft him in a league with a deep bench given his injury history.

 

[Leonidas]

It would take a Mayan apocalypse for me to ever have this turd on one of my teams ever again. I don't even care how far he falls. Banned.

an attitude like that is sure fire fantasy football failure.. first rule you can't get to attached and you can't get to detached where a player like him is banned from your team say. So if he was there in the 6-8th round for some crazy reason you wouldn't draft him, that sounds like a bad plan. Don't pout about the past burns he gave you, Im sure he can make up for it .

Precisely. I had every intention of not touching McFadden with a 10 foot pole, but in a $20 Yahoo league I drafted last month I drafted McFadden...in round 8 as my 4th RB behind Rice (1st), Wilson (4th), and Sproles (7th). How do you say no to that?

 

[cstu]

I'm gonna say 1800 total and 10 tds. Just cause this game is that unpredictable.

I feel very good projecting him somewhere between 1000 and 2000 total yards.

 

[titusbramble]

I could see some decent value here, would appreciate a few of you guys who have "sworn off this bum" to draft ahead of me in the mid to late 3rd round.

ADP looks like McFadden is the LAST of the backs who have shown some decent upside (Wilson + Miller) and McFadden is ahead of only the completely unproven rookies (Bell, Ball) and the unknown, unproven, and equally injury prone (Ivory, Bradshaw, and Mathews).

I would totally take him late 3rd, early 4th and consider it a steal if a few of my fav WRs are gone.

Bradshaw is not unproven; he has done more with less opportunity (late pick who was not handed a starting job the way McFadden was) by a long shot. It is true that Bradshaw is on a new team and that could impact his production. It is also true that he is an injury risk, but unlike McFadden, Bradshaw plays hurt and plays well.Bradshaw: Attempts: 921 Yards 4232 YPC 4.6 TDs 32 Receptions 132 Receiving Yards1087

McFadden: Attempts 769 Yards 3334 YPC 4.3 TDs 18 Receptions 158 Rec. Yards 1449

Jonathan Stewart: Attempts: 818 Yards: 3836 YPC 4.7 TDs 27 Receptions 98 Rec Yards 859

So, why should McFadden be drafted in the third or early fourth, when you could get Bradshaw or Stewart many rounds later? His YPC on a similar number of carries--a statistically meaningful number--is significantly less. His TDs are far less. He catches more and could be more valuable in PPR, but it isn't enough to compensate for the lack of TDs. All three are injury risks.

I think his injury history is factored into the price. In mocks where I take Graham in the 2nd you have your choice of DMC/Murray/Mathews as RB2-3's. It's pretty obvious why.

This is kind of the problem I have with taking people like McFadden - a lot of projections are taking into account the likelihood of injury, but far fewer projections actually try to quantify that in terms of actual games played/touches received. Similarly with, say, MJD - how many projections are assuming a decline in production due to possibilities of the Lisfranc injury hanging around, and how much of it is that he's simply getting older?

I'd much rather projections listed two lines, especially for running backs - one where everything is perfect, there's no injury issues affecting the player that'll cause them to miss time (obv accounting for minor dings that everyone will play through), and then adjust for the amount of time that they think will be missed due to injury issues. I think that'd help a lot to quantify possible upside

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Darren McFadden will play in the preseason.
"I’ve seen it where guys like Darren don’t play in the preseason and I’ve seen it where those guys do," coach Dennis Allen said. "It’s my feeling that guys need to play. The anticipation is we’ll play him (each game)." It's tempting fate for a player with DMC's injury history, but he needs reps behind the Raiders' new (old) power-blocking line. One of the league's biggest perennial disappointments, McFadden is No. 19 in Rotoworld's running back rankings.


Source: CSN Bay Area

 

[cracKer]

I could see some decent value here, would appreciate a few of you guys who have "sworn off this bum" to draft ahead of me in the mid to late 3rd round.

ADP looks like McFadden is the LAST of the backs who have shown some decent upside (Wilson + Miller) and McFadden is ahead of only the completely unproven rookies (Bell, Ball) and the unknown, unproven, and equally injury prone (Ivory, Bradshaw, and Mathews).

I would totally take him late 3rd, early 4th and consider it a steal if a few of my fav WRs are gone.

Bradshaw is not unproven; he has done more with less opportunity (late pick who was not handed a starting job the way McFadden was) by a long shot. It is true that Bradshaw is on a new team and that could impact his production. It is also true that he is an injury risk, but unlike McFadden, Bradshaw plays hurt and plays well.Bradshaw: Attempts: 921 Yards 4232 YPC 4.6 TDs 32 Receptions 132 Receiving Yards1087

McFadden: Attempts 769 Yards 3334 YPC 4.3 TDs 18 Receptions 158 Rec. Yards 1449

Jonathan Stewart: Attempts: 818 Yards: 3836 YPC 4.7 TDs 27 Receptions 98 Rec Yards 859

So, why should McFadden be drafted in the third or early fourth, when you could get Bradshaw or Stewart many rounds later? His YPC on a similar number of carries--a statistically meaningful number--is significantly less. His TDs are far less. He catches more and could be more valuable in PPR, but it isn't enough to compensate for the lack of TDs. All three are injury risks.

I think his injury history is factored into the price. In mocks where I take Graham in the 2nd you have your choice of DMC/Murray/Mathews as RB2-3's. It's pretty obvious why.

Seriously thinking about starting WR/TE knowing that those 3 should be available later.

 

[Annyong]

McFadden is definitely worth owning as a rb2. Pairing him with some high risk high reward rb3 types will be dinero

 

[BWill]

I'm gonna say 1800 total and 10 tds. Just cause this game is that unpredictable.

I feel very good projecting him somewhere between 1000 and 2000 total yards.

DAHH, I hope! I traded for him LATE last year trying to finish up my rebuild. Cam/Trent/Britt beside him. (20 team dynasty/keep 30 players a year) and sat on him since... if he puts up anywhere near 1200-2000 total and 10 tds, I will be ecstatic! Im a huge believer in McFadden. Love the coaching/ scheme change this year... I think its going to push him in the top 10, (MAYBE 5 if he plays a full season)

 

[One]

I could see some decent value here, would appreciate a few of you guys who have "sworn off this bum" to draft ahead of me in the mid to late 3rd round.

ADP looks like McFadden is the LAST of the backs who have shown some decent upside (Wilson + Miller) and McFadden is ahead of only the completely unproven rookies (Bell, Ball) and the unknown, unproven, and equally injury prone (Ivory, Bradshaw, and Mathews).

I would totally take him late 3rd, early 4th and consider it a steal if a few of my fav WRs are gone.

Bradshaw is not unproven; he has done more with less opportunity (late pick who was not handed a starting job the way McFadden was) by a long shot. It is true that Bradshaw is on a new team and that could impact his production. It is also true that he is an injury risk, but unlike McFadden, Bradshaw plays hurt and plays well.Bradshaw:

Attempts: 921 Yards 4232 YPC 4.6 TDs 32 Receptions 132 Receiving Yards1087

McFadden:

Attempts 769 Yards 3334 YPC 4h

To the bolded, because we aren't drafting for past production. As of today, there is every reason to believe McFadden will get more touches this season than either Bradshaw or Stewart, and quite possibly by a large margin. And McFadden's production per touch when playing in the style of offense he will play in this season is comparable to or better than the others. Are you really puzzled by this? The answer to your question is obvious.

Thank you for clearing that up for us Didn't think that needed to be explained either rather obvious.

Can always count on az_prof bringing the ######ed to a McFadden thread. He sure loves him some Donald Brown though.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Raiders LT Jared Veldheer (torn triceps) is expected to be placed on injured reserve/designated to return.
That means the earliest Veldheer could return is Week 8, but he'll likely be sidelined much longer than that. Anything before Thanksgiving isn't realistic. Veldheer's loss further decimates what was already one of the league's worst lines. ESPN's Bill Williamson calls C Stefen Wisniewski Oakland's "only legitimate" offensive lineman. We don't disagree. Matt Flynn and Darren McFadden are headed into a hopeless situation.


Source: CSN Bay Area

Raiders LT Jared Veldheer has been diagnosed with a torn triceps, and will undergo surgery.
It's a staggering blow for the league's worst team. Veldheer is almost certainly done for the season, but per beat writer Vittorio Tafur, the Raiders are "holding out hope" he can return at some point. He's a candidate for injured reserve/designated to return. Losing Veldheer is devastating enough, but the fact that he's apparently being replaced by human false start Alex Barron elevates the situation to true disaster. The Raiders might not win a game this season.


Source: Raiders on Twitter

According to the San Francisco Chronicle, Raiders coaches have accepted that Matt Flynn isn't "going to have success throwing longer than 25 yards."
Per beat writer Vittorio Tafur, it's been "clear all camp." That's absolutely embarrassing for an NFL quarterback, of course, but not a surprise. We already knew Flynn had one of the weakest, if not the weakest, arm in the league. This is just further evidence of how spectacularly weak the Raiders' offense is going to be. Flynn has no one to throw to, and his inability to challenge farther than 25 yards down field is going to lead to stacked boxes for Darren McFadden. It's a mess of a situation.


Source: Vittorio Tafur on Twitter

 

[Eminence]

McFadden as my flex would be nice.

 

[SWC]

here is what this old cat thinks macfaddy was awesome when he was running behind a normal blocking line but when they went over to a zone scheme he stunk up the joint well they are back to a normal scheme so i think hey big year that is what i am saying take that to the bank brohans

 

[mere blitzianity]

just lost one of his offensive lineman

 

[krsone21]

just lost one of his offensive lineman

He lost his best offensive lineman.

 

[karmarooster]

The best thing that could happen for DMC at this point is if the offense turns over to Pryor and they run the zone read when not running a power rush. Just give up on passing and let the defenses try to stop Pryor + McFadden. Passing with Flyn is just an invitation for a sack, fumble, or INT.

 

[Raider Nation]

Proceed with extreme caution here, folks. Not that anyone was going to use a super-high pick on him to begin with, but this is looking even uglier than we could have imagined. 5 for 17 last night with the entire first unit, and that's including a 9-yard run. Flynn scares nobody, so McFadden is getting hit as soon as he touches the ball. They can try any blocking scheme they want -- it won't matter. There simply is not a lot of talent up front; and especially now with JV gone. The Saints 1's were jail-breaking Oakland's O-line at will.

 

[menobrown]

The best thing that could happen for DMC at this point is if the offense turns over to Pryor and they run the zone read when not running a power rush. Just give up on passing and let the defenses try to stop Pryor + McFadden. Passing with Flyn is just an invitation for a sack, fumble, or INT.

I think Oakland will be in contention to go 0-16 this year. They might have both the worst offense and defense in the NFL.

The best thing that can happen to Mcfadden is that we see a rare in-season trade. I'd normally not even speculate on such a thing but Oakland is only going to watch him walk when the season ends anyway.

I do agree that the switch to Pryor and a zone read would assist DMAC. I'll give you credit for stating that before last nights game as well. At least Pryor might help open up some running lanes.

With Flynn at QB the only way I see DMAC having a shot at being a RB2 type at least in fantasy is in PPR leagues with Flynn's arm limitations and need to get ball out in a hurry leading him to favor dump offs to DMAC.

 

[Raider Nation]

I think Oakland will be in contention to go 0-16 this year.

The Chargers will almost certainly prevent this from happening.

I'll settle for the first or second pick of the draft. Clowney or Teddy.... there are no losers there.

 

[FunkyTeaParty]

I dumped this guy last week for Vereen and I couldn't be happier. I feel like a weight has been lifted from my shoulders.

 

[Clifford]

just lost one of his offensive lineman

He lost his best offensive lineman.

He lost his only offensive lineman

 

[Raider Nation]

just lost one of his offensive lineman

He lost his best offensive lineman.

He lost his only offensive lineman

Stefen Wisniewski is bad?

 

[menobrown]

I dumped this guy last week for Vereen and I couldn't be happier. I feel like a weight has been lifted from my shoulders.

I'd still rather have Mcfadden in all formats, especially dynasty. He'll only 26 so he has a few good years left and he likely gets a fresh start on a new team. I hope so anyway, would love to see him at least get a chance to show what he can with a decent supporting cast.

I also think Vereen is overrated but that's another subject.

 

[rickyg]

It would take a Mayan apocalypse for me to ever have this turd on one of my teams ever again. I don't even care how far he falls. Banned.

I guess the Mayan apocalypse is upon us, because less than 10 months after spouting this in anger I drafted him again yesterday as my rb2 behind McCoy (in the 4th round).

I fell for it all over again: the tantalizing upside. The change back to a power scheme. The contract year. His apparent current state of health. The raiders outwardly talking him up as the focal point of the offense. How do you pass that up in the 4th round?

Gd help me.

 

[rickyg]

It would take a Mayan apocalypse for me to ever have this turd on one of my teams ever again. I don't even care how far he falls. Banned.

I guess the Mayan apocalypse is upon us, because less than 10 months after spouting this in anger I drafted him again yesterday as my rb2 behind McCoy (in the 4th round).

I fell for it all over again: the tantalizing upside. The change back to a power scheme. The contract year. His apparent current state of health. The raiders outwardly talking him up as the focal point of the offense. How do you pass that up in the 4th round?

Gd help me.

 

[rickyg]

It would take a Mayan apocalypse for me to ever have this turd on one of my teams ever again. I don't even care how far he falls. Banned.

an attitude like that is sure fire fantasy football failure.. first rule you can't get to attached and you can't get to detached where a player like him is banned from your team say. So if he was there in the 6-8th round for some crazy reason you wouldn't draft him, that sounds like a bad plan. Don't pout about the past burns he gave you, Im sure he can make up for it .

Funny. Just read this after I posted about how I went back to the well I McFadden this year. Oy vey.

 

[rickyg]

It would take a Mayan apocalypse for me to ever have this turd on one of my teams ever again. I don't even care how far he falls. Banned.

an attitude like that is sure fire fantasy football failure.. first rule you can't get to attached and you can't get to detached where a player like him is banned from your team say. So if he was there in the 6-8th round for some crazy reason you wouldn't draft him, that sounds like a bad plan. Don't pout about the past burns he gave you, Im sure he can make up for it .

Funny. Just read this after I posted about how I went back to the well I McFadden this year. It vey.

 

[Steed]

I read he hurt his shoulder last night. No idea the severity

 

[32 Counter Pass]

The loss of Veldheer is a gut shot to this team. Add that the Raiders have not shown the ability to run the ball effectively despite the change in blocking scheme limits DMac's value. Sure it is still early but in light of the news that he sustained some sort of shoulder injury last night only fosters my thinking to avoid drafting him unless he falls dramatically in one of my drafts. By dramatic I mean round 6 or later. Let someone else take the risk...

 

[rickyg]

Are you kidding me??

 

[Raider Nation]

Jerry McDonald ‏@Jerrymcd

Raiders coach Dennis Allen said most significant injuries were to Porter and Ausberry. Ausberry left in sling. McFadden hurt shoulder.

 

[John 14:6]

 

[az_prof]

Proceed with extreme caution here, folks. Not that anyone was going to use a super-high pick on him to begin with, but this is looking even uglier than we could have imagined. 5 for 17 last night with the entire first unit, and that's including a 9-yard run. Flynn scares nobody, so McFadden is getting hit as soon as he touches the ball. They can try any blocking scheme they want -- it won't matter. There simply is not a lot of talent up front; and especially now with JV gone. The Saints 1's were jail-breaking Oakland's O-line at will.

I am one of the strongest critics of McFadden, but I don't think you can factor in preseason production very much. I expect that they will throw a lot more screens to him than we are seeing now and he excels at those. Plus, teams notoriously run vanilla offense in preseason.

The concern about Flynn is legit, however. If the team can't present any legitimate passing threat, teams will stack the box and McFadden won't get out of the gate, which is what he needs to use his best attribute, his wheels. The fact that McFadden is healthy enough to play in preseason is the most important take away.

 

[SameSongNDance]

Oh, this thread was fun last year.

I want to say, I've seemingly owned DMC in one league or another almost every year he's been in the league EXCEPT in 2010. I don't think bitter adequately describes my attitude towards him.

That being said, no one is undraftable. I don't have a problem drafting him as a flex if he ever fell that far to me (unlikely) but I absolutely won't be leaning on him anywhere this year.

 

[Scoresman]

McFadden is hurt. in other news, the sun rose today.

when will people learn? when?

 

[Clifford]

McFadden is hurt. in other news, the sun rose today.

when will people learn? when?

link?

 

[Clifford]

Proceed with extreme caution here, folks. Not that anyone was going to use a super-high pick on him to begin with, but this is looking even uglier than we could have imagined. 5 for 17 last night with the entire first unit, and that's including a 9-yard run. Flynn scares nobody, so McFadden is getting hit as soon as he touches the ball. They can try any blocking scheme they want -- it won't matter. There simply is not a lot of talent up front; and especially now with JV gone. The Saints 1's were jail-breaking Oakland's O-line at will.

I am one of the strongest critics of McFadden, but I don't think you can factor in preseason production very much. I expect that they will throw a lot more screens to him than we are seeing now and he excels at those. Plus, teams notoriously run vanilla offense in preseason.

The concern about Flynn is legit, however. If the team can't present any legitimate passing threat, teams will stack the box and McFadden won't get out of the gate, which is what he needs to use his best attribute, his wheels. The fact that McFadden is healthy enough to play in preseason is the most important take away.

I think there is a good chance the Raiders add another QB and let Wilson slide to PS. Probably a camp cut. I think all three active QBs see time starting this year.

 

[Scoresman]

McFadden is hurt. in other news, the sun rose today.

when will people learn? when?

link?

I was responding to the people 2 posts or so above me who said he hurt his shoulder.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

I think there is a good chance the Raiders add another QB and let Wilson slide to PS. Probably a camp cut. I think all three active QBs see time starting this year.

So you predict a starting role for McGloin as well as Pryor? Wilson getting cut wont surprise anyone. And what other free agent QB would you suggest adding? All the criticism of Floyd and people aren't seeing the trees for the forest. It's the O-line people! Tom friggin Brady won't last long behind that outfit.

Back to the OP's discussion. I passed on DMC last night thru the late 4th but honestly would have jumped back on the DMC bandwagon if it made it back to the 6th round. First time in forever I didn't draft a single Oakland player. sigh.

 

[Clifford]

I think there is a good chance the Raiders add another QB and let Wilson slide to PS. Probably a camp cut. I think all three active QBs see time starting this year.

So you predict a starting role for McGloin as well as Pryor? Wilson getting cut wont surprise anyone. And what other free agent QB would you suggest adding? All the criticism of Floyd and people aren't seeing the trees for the forest. It's the O-line people! Tom friggin Brady won't last long behind that outfit.

Back to the OP's discussion. I passed on DMC last night thru the late 4th but honestly would have jumped back on the DMC bandwagon if it made it back to the 6th round. First time in forever I didn't draft a single Oakland player. sigh.

If there are some decent camp cuts (IE what if the Bengals decide to only roll with 2 QBs? Josh Johnson or Skelton would be better backups to Flynn than anyone on their roster right now. Are the skins going to keep Pat White and Grossman? Again, both likely upgrades.) I could see them parting with McGloin, Wilson, or Pryor.

I think Flynn will crash and burn and they will start looking past him about week 5-7. When that happens, Pryor will get trotted out for a game or two until the fact that he isn't a QB becomes painfully apparent. At that point, if they sign some camp cuts, whoever is QB3 plays out the rest of the season, or maybe they even get to a QB4. Basically exactly what happened in AZ last year will happen here. You can't play out a season without a QB.