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Rotoworld:

Raiders OC Greg Olson admitted that he has had to change his playbook because of LT Jared Veldheer's triceps injury.
Veldheer was arguably the Raiders' best player and replacement Alex Barron is a significant downgrade. "It'll impact how we use Darren McFadden, it'll impact how we use Marcel Reece," Olson said. "You don't lose a player like that and think that you're not going to have to change some things or do some things differently." McFadden, who has rushed eight times for 22 yards (2.75 YPC) in the preseason, has a down arrow next to his name.

Source: CSN Bay Area
Former Rams GM Billy Devaney ripped into Raiders LT Alex Barron Monday.
Devaney was named the Rams' general manager in 2008, three years after St. Louis used the No. 19 overall pick on Barron. He promptly traded the left tackle to Dallas in 2010. "He's got the skill to play. He does not have the heart to play football," Devaney said of Barron. "He does not like anything about the game except getting paid." Barron is penciled in as the Raiders' starter thanks to Jared Veldheer's tricpes injury. It's a massive downgrade.

Source: CSN Bay Area
 
What's McFadden's contract situation and can he ever end up in a more favorable situation ... somewhere else?
I think it's his contract year, so I assume he's a unrestricted FA next year. And he's only 25.
McFadden has also been slow to talk about an extension with the Raiders. That last thing I read suggested he may be looking to go somewhere else.
Who could blame him? The outlook for next year and beyond isn't exactly rosy.

 
What's McFadden's contract situation and can he ever end up in a more favorable situation ... somewhere else?
I think it's his contract year, so I assume he's a unrestricted FA next year. And he's only 25.
McFadden has also been slow to talk about an extension with the Raiders. That last thing I read suggested he may be looking to go somewhere else.
Who could blame him? The outlook for next year and beyond isn't exactly rosy.
So easy to dismiss his future plans on the outlook of the Raiders. Next year with potentially a Teddy Bridgewater in the draft and $50 million in new free cap space and the outlook next year is all of a suddenly very different. Even more so if a new stadium or even a move to a new city is in the plans.

 
What's McFadden's contract situation and can he ever end up in a more favorable situation ... somewhere else?
I think it's his contract year, so I assume he's a unrestricted FA next year. And he's only 25.
McFadden has also been slow to talk about an extension with the Raiders. That last thing I read suggested he may be looking to go somewhere else.
Who could blame him? The outlook for next year and beyond isn't exactly rosy.
So easy to dismiss his future plans on the outlook of the Raiders. Next year with potentially a Teddy Bridgewater in the draft and $50 million in new free cap space and the outlook next year is all of a suddenly very different. Even more so if a new stadium or even a move to a new city is in the plans.
Sure, that would set the stage for them to be improved. But would it even break them into the top half of the league? I doubt it.

 
What's McFadden's contract situation and can he ever end up in a more favorable situation ... somewhere else?
I think it's his contract year, so I assume he's a unrestricted FA next year. And he's only 25.
McFadden has also been slow to talk about an extension with the Raiders. That last thing I read suggested he may be looking to go somewhere else.
Who could blame him? The outlook for next year and beyond isn't exactly rosy.
So easy to dismiss his future plans on the outlook of the Raiders. Next year with potentially a Teddy Bridgewater in the draft and $50 million in new free cap space and the outlook next year is all of a suddenly very different. Even more so if a new stadium or even a move to a new city is in the plans.
Sure, that would set the stage for them to be improved. But would it even break them into the top half of the league? I doubt it.
I didn't say anything about breaking into the top half of the league. Just that DMC's issue with the Raiders will likely not be an issue of money. There should be plenty available. Maybe it will be the Raiders who are the ones that want to part ways. Who knows? Just saying that Oakland will be an attractive free agent stop in 2014.

 
Raiderfan32904 said:
What's McFadden's contract situation and can he ever end up in a more favorable situation ... somewhere else?
I think it's his contract year, so I assume he's a unrestricted FA next year. And he's only 25.
McFadden has also been slow to talk about an extension with the Raiders. That last thing I read suggested he may be looking to go somewhere else.
Who could blame him? The outlook for next year and beyond isn't exactly rosy.
So easy to dismiss his future plans on the outlook of the Raiders. Next year with potentially a Teddy Bridgewater in the draft and $50 million in new free cap space and the outlook next year is all of a suddenly very different. Even more so if a new stadium or even a move to a new city is in the plans.
Sure, that would set the stage for them to be improved. But would it even break them into the top half of the league? I doubt it.
I didn't say anything about breaking into the top half of the league. Just that DMC's issue with the Raiders will likely not be an issue of money. There should be plenty available. Maybe it will be the Raiders who are the ones that want to part ways. Who knows? Just saying that Oakland will be an attractive free agent stop in 2014.
Yeah, what I was getting at had nothing to do with money. If the Raiders are willing to overpay him enough (more than other teams), I'm sure there is some threshold where he will stay. But if the money is equal (or very close to equal), I might expect him to go elsewhere, in search of an offense with better surrounding talent. That's what I meant.

 
I would rather see the Raiders move on at this point than give McFadden big dollars. If he signs big somewhere else, even better as it could mean a high compensatory pick in return. I don't see the system and the player matching, even now. It never did for him in Oakland, except during the brief HueJax era.

 
I can not believe they simply accept that the best QB on their roster is unable to throw a pass more than 25 yards. The acceptance of that just blows my mind. It's essentially the same thing as giving up on the season before it starts. It's not even making an attempt to be competitive.

The best argument ever for a play-in-dop-out league structure similar to the Premier League may be the 2013 Raiders. If a team isn't even attempting to compete they should not be allowed to stay in the NFL. Even for one season.

 
hopefully he goes somewhere where the air can magically heal his fragile body. otherwise, he has not much more value than he does now.

 
Shaun King really doesn't like McFadden.

In the opinion of NBC Sports analyst Shaun King, enough is enough.

Yahoo! Sports fantasy expert Brad Evans pointed out that McFadden averaged only 3.4 yards per carry against the New Orleans Saints in Week 2 of the preseason. He finished with five carries for 17 yards, and Evans does not believe McFadden will be a top 25 running back this season.

King was harsher when it was time for his assessment.

“Darren McFadden, if you put him on your team, you will lose your league,” King said. “You will regret the fact that you drafted him, and you will emotionally be unstable because of the fact he does not care.”

King, tell us how you really feel. Please do not hold back.

“I looked at Darren McFadden against the New Orleans Saints, and what I wanted to see is this a running back who wants to prove his detractors wrong, wants to go out and have a big year in a contract year, or is this a guy that’s just trying to collect a check,” King said. “All I saw was a guy who wanted to collect a check.”
 
Shaun King really doesn't like McFadden.

In the opinion of NBC Sports analyst Shaun King, enough is enough.

Yahoo! Sports fantasy expert Brad Evans pointed out that McFadden averaged only 3.4 yards per carry against the New Orleans Saints in Week 2 of the preseason. He finished with five carries for 17 yards, and Evans does not believe McFadden will be a top 25 running back this season.

King was harsher when it was time for his assessment.

“Darren McFadden, if you put him on your team, you will lose your league,” King said. “You will regret the fact that you drafted him, and you will emotionally be unstable because of the fact he does not care.”

King, tell us how you really feel. Please do not hold back.

“I looked at Darren McFadden against the New Orleans Saints, and what I wanted to see is this a running back who wants to prove his detractors wrong, wants to go out and have a big year in a contract year, or is this a guy that’s just trying to collect a check,” King said. “All I saw was a guy who wanted to collect a check.”
When reached for comment, McFadden replied "WHO IS SHAUN KING???"

 
The risk of having to rely on DMC as your #2 far outweighs the reward of an RB1 ceiling at this point. Even in the 4th round, there are definitely other RBs I'd rather target. He'd have to drop as far as Ryan Mathews for me to debate grabbing him this year.

 
Rotoworld:

Raiders coach Dennis Allen confirmed Darren McFadden (shoulder) will "absolutely" be ready for Week 1.
McFadden's injury history makes any nick or bruise concerning, but this one is no big deal. The Raiders open against an improved Colts defense in Week 1.

Source: Vic Tafur on Twitter
 
Rotoworld:

Walk-year RB Darren McFadden says he wants to re-sign with the Raiders, but that they "haven’t reached out" to him.
The Raiders are wisely opting against rushing into a new deal with one of the league's most perennially-disappointing players. As for McFadden, he'd be selling low on his services if he re-signed now. Wherever McFadden winds up next season, it's unlikely to be on a deal that includes any guaranteed money beyond 2014.

Source: CSN Bay Area
 
tpuffer51 said:
Would you pick up Rashad Jennings to handcuff McFadden???
I've been thinking about the back-up situation in OAK since Latavius Murray was placed on IR. Jennings is a pretty mediocre rusher and showed it in MJD's absence last year (averaged 2.8 YPC). The situation in OAK isn't much better and I'd expect much of the same from him if DMC were to go down. In PPR, I believe Reece would be valuable in the event that DMC went down again. In standard, I see very little value with either option.

 
Trying to trade McFadden and a pick for 1.01 or 1.02 in our upcoming draft (rookie plus thrown back vets in 6 keeper dynasty) this weekend. What say you guys?

 
Just stopping by to say good luck to all of you who draft him this year, wherever it is. Whenever I see the "star" near this thread title from the posting I did in here last season when I did own him, I actually get nauseous.

 
If Terrelle Pryor wins the starting job I think that is going to set McFadden up for a very big year.

Pryor is a running qb and defenses will be so busy keying in on him leaving the pocket that McFadden will have room to run.

Think Willis mcgahee production when tebow took over.

Think Chris Johnson production when Vince young took over for Kerry collins.

I think that is the effect that Pryor could have in McFadden.

The raiders will be a run first offense and Pryor and McFadden will cause fits for opposing defenses.

I also think that McFadden will do well with dump offs and screens.

Here's hoping...

 
The risk of having to rely on DMC as your #2 far outweighs the reward of an RB1 ceiling at this point. Even in the 4th round, there are definitely other RBs I'd rather target. He'd have to drop as far as Ryan Mathews for me to debate grabbing him this year.
Grabbed Mathews ahead of him in redraft and did not think twice, and I own him in fantasy.

 
After going Brees/AjGreen/Graham/MJD/Gronk I hesitatingly took McFadden.

I only drafted him to try and move him. And. There is not an owner in the league who has any interest in trading for him. Zero, zilch.

I've never owned him before and have always sympathized with the guys who have.

Honestly, I'd be happy if he could play a healthy 10 games.

 
The shark move is probably to wait until he does well this season and then trade him to a RB needy team. But again, I like his chances at putting up numbers if terrelle pryor wins the qb competition. I'd still be in favor of moving him bc he just can't stay heqlthy.

 
tpuffer51 said:
Would you pick up Rashad Jennings to handcuff McFadden???
I've been thinking about the back-up situation in OAK since Latavius Murray was placed on IR. Jennings is a pretty mediocre rusher and showed it in MJD's absence last year (averaged 2.8 YPC). The situation in OAK isn't much better and I'd expect much of the same from him if DMC were to go down. In PPR, I believe Reece would be valuable in the event that DMC went down again. In standard, I see very little value with either option.
Great points. But someone has to run the ball. Surely it wont be as bad as the Lions running attack last year. If Pryor gets the QB start it may help the RB's. They could employ some read option.

 
I'm on board this year. Think he's going to surprise.
Switching out from the ZBS and Pryor definitely have me feeling as if he could bounce but only if he can stay healthy. You have to plan on having him for 13 games maximum, but very likely even less.

I'm not adverse to drafting him (or anyone for that matter) for the right price. If I were to take the RB/RB/RB approach, grabbing him as a flex could pay dividends but odds are you're going to end up leaning on him if this is not the case. I refuse to lean on him, it's just far too risky.

 
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I'm on board this year. Think he's going to surprise.
Switching out from the ZBS scheme and Pryor definitely have me feeling as if he could bounce but only if he can stay healthy. You have to plan on having him for 13 games maximum, but very likely even less.

I'm not adverse to drafting him (or anyone for that matter) for the right price. If I were to take the RB/RB/RB approach, grabbing him as a flex could pay dividends but odds are you're going to end up leaning on him if this is not the case. I refuse to lean on him, it's just far too risky.
Wouldn't want to have him in a RB/RB/RB either.

If you are leaning on him more than likely you'll be sorry.

BCS, he falls to you after you have a better foundation.

But, there aren't many backs ranked similarily to him that have the outrageous upside he does. Plus, he's always had nagging type injuries rather than major structural one's so he's mostly still fresh.

 
Could someone please chime in on what the benefits of having Pryor behind the center do for McFadden's game?
First, lets clear up some confusion on the "Pryor effect". Yes, the head coach has incorporated a "package of special plays" for Pryor's skillset. But it is not a switch to the read option. Pryor is operating out of the same base formation as Flynn is when he's out there. The running plays are all just busted plays and were never drawn up like that on the chalkboard. If Pryor is to usurp Flynn, he's going to need to cram and learn the entire playbook and not just the "special package". It's going to be a huge challenge to get there. Thinking the analogy of drinking from the fire hose is spot on.

Assuming the O-line is not upgraded by the start of the regular season, Flynn will be running for his life. He won't have time to read defenses in passing situations, and on early downs the defense will stack the box and negate DMAC. Unless they incorporate a read option, pistol set (which they likely won't do), Pryor won't necessarily help DMAC's game. Teams will still stack the box. But look for Pryor to scramble for some extra first downs and keep drives alive and potentially help DMAC get into some more red zone looks. But let's be clear about this. The offense won't change for Pryor. He has to adapt to it.

 
Greg Olson created an offensive package this offseason to get Raiders backup quarterback Terrelle Pryor on the field. He didn’t want such athleticism to lay fallow, not on a team in desperate need of offensive talent.It started small, with a read option play here, a designed run there. The offensive coordinator considered it an accent piece to his offense, something to convert a first down or cross a goal line every now and then.

Pryor easily digested those plays, so Olson gave him more to chew. Even still, it was a novelty.

Now it could be a full time thing. Pryor is a legitimate contender to start behind center, which has forced Olson to adjust and expand Pryor’s responsibilities.

“We signed Matt [Flynn] with the thought being that he’s going to come in and be the starter, and we would have that package for Terrelle,” Olson said. “But Terrelle has done some things in these preseason games that we’ve been excited about; stuff that a lot of people are excited about. With his success on the field, we’ll continue to add to that package. It was the thought process going in to it. There wasn’t a big package for him a year ago, so we had to absorb that first part. As we continue to grow offensively, we’ll continue to add plays for Terrelle.”

Pryor’s emergence has come late in the preseason, leaving Olson with little time to iron out his offense. The scheme is tailor-made for this year’s talent, centered on running back Darren McFadden. It also played to Flynn’s strengths, with timing routes and short passes intended to create manageable third downs.

Pryor is a wild card. He’s an exciting player who still makes mistakes, still tries to create a big play when a safe one is available. His package of plays is expanding, but he’ll eventually need to master much more.

“I still think he’s developing as a player, still developing as a quarterback,” Olson said. “We’ll continue to work to develop him as that player, but we don’t want to take away from his strengths. Again, he’s got kind of a dual role. He’s going to be that athletic quarterback that we are going to ask to carry the football, but we need him to develop as a passer as well.”
 
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Could someone please chime in on what the benefits of having Pryor behind the center do for McFadden's game?
From an earlier post:

If Terrelle Pryor wins the starting job I think that is going to set McFadden up for a very big year.

Pryor is a running qb and defenses will be so busy keying in on him leaving the pocket that McFadden will have room to run.

Think Willis mcgahee production when tebow took over.

Think Chris Johnson production when Vince young took over for Kerry collins.

I think that is the effect that Pryor could have in McFadden.

The raiders will be a run first offense and Pryor and McFadden will cause fits for opposing defenses.

I also think that McFadden will do well with dump offs and screens.

Here's hoping...

 
Would you pick up Rashad Jennings to handcuff McFadden???
I own McFadden, so I am faced with this dilemma as well. Not long ago, I considered Jennings one of the more intriguing backup RBs in the league (Jennings averaged 5.5 ypc in 2010 in a reserve role), but after spending the 2011 season on IR, Jennings flopped last year when given the opportunity to be the featured back in MJD's absence.

I still think Jennings could perform well enough if called upon. Like McFadden, Jennings is a tall back, but he lacks top end speed, he is a bit stiff in the hips, and he really does not show an ability to break many tackles. Jennings is, however, a heady player who shows good instincts and vision, and he has excellent hands.

While I am not inclined to add him as a handcuff, Jennings is on my waiver-wire watch list, but like Same Song N Dance, I think it is probably not worth rostering either Jennings or Reece.

Perhaps the Raiders need to move Taiwan Jones back to offense?! :bag:

 
Could someone please chime in on what the benefits of having Pryor behind the center do for McFadden's game?
First, lets clear up some confusion on the "Pryor effect". Yes, the head coach has incorporated a "package of special plays" for Pryor's skillset. But it is not a switch to the read option. Pryor is operating out of the same base formation as Flynn is when he's out there. The running plays are all just busted plays and were never drawn up like that on the chalkboard. If Pryor is to usurp Flynn, he's going to need to cram and learn the entire playbook and not just the "special package". It's going to be a huge challenge to get there. Thinking the analogy of drinking from the fire hose is spot on.

Assuming the O-line is not upgraded by the start of the regular season, Flynn will be running for his life. He won't have time to read defenses in passing situations, and on early downs the defense will stack the box and negate DMAC. Unless they incorporate a read option, pistol set (which they likely won't do), Pryor won't necessarily help DMAC's game. Teams will still stack the box. But look for Pryor to scramble for some extra first downs and keep drives alive and potentially help DMAC get into some more red zone looks. But let's be clear about this. The offense won't change for Pryor. He has to adapt to it.
Cram and learn the playbook? Thinking the backup would already know that.

 
Could someone please chime in on what the benefits of having Pryor behind the center do for McFadden's game?
From an earlier post:

If Terrelle Pryor wins the starting job I think that is going to set McFadden up for a very big year.

Pryor is a running qb and defenses will be so busy keying in on him leaving the pocket that McFadden will have room to run.

Think Willis mcgahee production when tebow took over.

Think Chris Johnson production when Vince young took over for Kerry collins.

I think that is the effect that Pryor could have in McFadden.

The raiders will be a run first offense and Pryor and McFadden will cause fits for opposing defenses.

I also think that McFadden will do well with dump offs and screens.

Here's hoping...
I think a Pryor-McFadden single wing offense would work very well.

This team has 2-14 written all over it; someone needs to consider the success Tebow had after the switch to the run-and-poot and just go for it.

 
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Cram and learn the playbook? Thinking the backup would already know that.
I really think the coaching staff thought it would never come to this point. That Flynn was the entrenched starter and would have to completely faceplant for a controversy to erupt. They only planned to use Pryor as a gimmick for a few plays. Now that the worms are out of the can, if they are so inclined to start Pryor over Flynn, they will have to accelerate the time committed to Pryor to get him up to speed. Yes, a backup QB should already have that playbook down. But remember, prior to the start of training camp, Pryor wasn't even the entrenched backup. You could argue that McGloin is a better candidate than Pryor to start the season. I don't know who to fault for that. I'm sure some of that is on Pryor, but I think the most blame should go to the coaches who didn't see Pryor ever competing for the starting gig this season. You know the saying, 'poor planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part'. Well, if Pryor starts, the coaches have an emergency to get him ready. I openly criticize the coaches for not getting Pryor ready earlier for this transition, instead of limiting him to a gimmicky set of plays.

 
Cram and learn the playbook? Thinking the backup would already know that.
I really think the coaching staff thought it would never come to this point. That Flynn was the entrenched starter and would have to completely faceplant for a controversy to erupt. They only planned to use Pryor as a gimmick for a few plays. Now that the worms are out of the can, if they are so inclined to start Pryor over Flynn, they will have to accelerate the time committed to Pryor to get him up to speed. Yes, a backup QB should already have that playbook down. But remember, prior to the start of training camp, Pryor wasn't even the entrenched backup. You could argue that McGloin is a better candidate than Pryor to start the season. I don't know who to fault for that. I'm sure some of that is on Pryor, but I think the most blame should go to the coaches who didn't see Pryor ever competing for the starting gig this season. You know the saying, 'poor planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part'. Well, if Pryor starts, the coaches have an emergency to get him ready. I openly criticize the coaches for not getting Pryor ready earlier for this transition, instead of limiting him to a gimmicky set of plays.
It must be a different kind of playbook too, must be a different gameplan for everybody on offense.

 
Would you pick up Rashad Jennings to handcuff McFadden???
I own McFadden, so I am faced with this dilemma as well. Not long ago, I considered Jennings one of the more intriguing backup RBs in the league (Jennings averaged 5.5 ypc in 2010 in a reserve role), but after spending the 2011 season on IR, Jennings flopped last year when given the opportunity to be the featured back in MJD's absence.

I still think Jennings could perform well enough if called upon. Like McFadden, Jennings is a tall back, but he lacks top end speed, he is a bit stiff in the hips, and he really does not show an ability to break many tackles. Jennings is, however, a heady player who shows good instincts and vision, and he has excellent hands.

While I am not inclined to add him as a handcuff, Jennings is on my waiver-wire watch list, but like Same Song N Dance, I think it is probably not worth rostering either Jennings or Reece.

Perhaps the Raiders need to move Taiwan Jones back to offense?! :bag:
DMC is sadly one of those RBs that you really have to hope has a no-brainer handcuff like M.Bush. The odds of him missing time at some point in the season seem overwhelmingly high, so you want real insurance, someone who you can slot in a expect comparable production. Because of this, I'd actually be more inclined to draft DMC and Reece in PPR as Reece did a fine job of filling in last year (451 yards in 4 games). Outside of PPR, I'd stay away simply because I don't feel confident in the cuffs.

Also, isn't T. Jones fragile himself?

 
I'm not even remotely interested in a handcuff for McFadden. I don't want one player from a ####ty team, let alone two. Just hoping for the best as an RB2 and will adjust quickly. At least he has talent when he's upright. Bad team, bad line, bad QB, playing from behind - just not good ingredients. He'll have to break some long ones..

 
Good Lord! Trading McFadden is liking trying to give away the plague!

Draft today. 12 team, 6 man keeper/dynasty. Draft was thrown back vets and the rooks. - Tried to trade him with picks to move up early. No go. Finally unloaded him at the 1.08 straight up.

Owned him his whole career and I needed the roster space because I really wanted Michael and Lattimore.

Good luck trading this guy if you're drafting tomorrow.

 
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Never drafting this turd again and feel great about it
I just traded him away in my keeper league. Prepare for 1,500 total yards and 15 TDs...
What did you get in return?
I gave McFadden and Reggie Wayne (who I wasn't going to be keeping anyway) in exchange for Demarco Murray.
That is funny. I traded DMC and Emmanual Sanders for Murray in my dynasty league!

 

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