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So with Reece looking as good as he has, do we even think that 1) They'll rush DMac back; and 2) Goodson steps right back in as the handcuff if he's healthy?I'm a DMac owner who would be shocked to see him in this week, considering he got zero practice reps up until today. I'd just as soon give him at least another week, and see him at full speed for Weeks 15-16 (KC/at Car).
I have my own theory on Reece. With DMC out, opposing D's did not key on Reece and put more emphasis on shutting down the passing game. Keep in mind they have not won a game since DMC got hurt. OAK was 3-4 when DMC went down and now are 3-8 and have been blown out of most of the games.
:goodposting:I'm surprised more people don't get this.
:yes: I think by Week 14, as long as DMC just gets a few+ carries and holds up this weekend, you'll be really happy you held if you drafted DMC early and made the playoffs. If you make it to Week 15, he rounds out the fantasy season home vs. KC and @ Carolina.
Regardless, McFadden won't see the soft 6 man fronts Reece had. He'll likely wind up back as the defense's main focus and possibly stay ineffective, who knows. I just find it funny when people act like Reece is the better NFL back by only looking at the fantasy box score.
I spent a first rounder on him. Maybe it's just my stupid Irish pride and stubbornness, but if he's active, healthy and you don't have glaringly better options, I think you just go for it and put him in. If you drafted him high and held this long, I feel like it would be criminal to sit him and have him potentially go off. Might be stupid and cliche to say "I believe," but I do, regardless of what I've seen early. Willing to go down with the ship healthy, personally. Every owner can do what they wish, but I'm rolling if he even looks half decent this week in the playoffs.
You spent a first rounder in Reece? ;)
 
http://www.mercurynews.com/raiders/ci_22086279/oakland-raiders-darren-mcfadden-looks-close-return

ALAMEDA -- Darren McFadden returned to practice for the first time Wednesday since suffering a right high ankle sprain Nov. 4 against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and could be available to face the Cleveland Browns.

Also on the field was backup running back Mike Goodson, who had the same injury and like McFadden missed the past three games -- all of which the Raiders lost.

Both players were limited, and while it's not known if either will play, or how much, coach Dennis Allen said fullback Marcel Reece has staked his claim to some more carries.

While both backs were out, Reece carried 48 times for 225 yards in three games, averaging 4.7 yards per carry.

"Marcel has earned the right to carry the ball some,'' Allen said. "We'll use him in that capacity.''
Marcel's real value comes in the passing game. He's taken targets from the WRs by the looks of it. He's 3rd in receptions among RBs, behind Rice &amp; Sproles, tied with Richardson and before McCoy. Those are some big names.

He's 3rd in targets per team game.

Last four games, it's been 9, 9, 5, 8, around 8 targets per game on average. Last game Oak's WRs had 13 targets total.

Last four games he tops all RBs by a wide margin, 10 more targets than Rice, 4 more catches than Rice, and 110 more yards than Rice.

If he keeps those targets and finally gets in the end zone off those catches he is still good to have. Maybe the question isn't if Reece will be taking from Goodson and McFadden but whether Goodson and McFadden will be taking from Reece.

 
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Both players were limited, and while it's not known if either will play, or how much, coach Dennis Allen said fullback Marcel Reece has staked his claim to some more carries.

While both backs were out, Reece carried 48 times for 225 yards in three games, averaging 4.7 yards per carry. "Marcel has earned the right to carry the ball some,'' Allen said. "We'll use him in that capacity.''

From RotoWorld: "If he does take the field against the Browns, he should return as the lead dog, though he'll almost certainly cede a healthy amount of snaps to Marcel Reece, particularly on passing downs. McFadden was averaging a pathetic 3.3 yards per carry on 139 totes before going down."

Based on Coach Allen's remarks, looks like a timeshare's in the works. DMC's gonna take some of Reece's carries away, and Reece is gonna take some of DMC's receptions and carries away. A lot of teams employ RBBC.

Main thing is to establish a credible running game which helps Carson Palmer and Denarius Moore in the passing game, the two players that I own. :bye:

 
Both players were limited, and while it's not known if either will play, or how much, coach Dennis Allen said fullback Marcel Reece has staked his claim to some more carries.

While both backs were out, Reece carried 48 times for 225 yards in three games, averaging 4.7 yards per carry. "Marcel has earned the right to carry the ball some,'' Allen said. "We'll use him in that capacity.''

From RotoWorld: "If he does take the field against the Browns, he should return as the lead dog, though he'll almost certainly cede a healthy amount of snaps to Marcel Reece, particularly on passing downs. McFadden was averaging a pathetic 3.3 yards per carry on 139 totes before going down."

Based on Coach Allen's remarks, looks like a timeshare's in the works. DMC's gonna take some of Reece's carries away, and Reece is gonna take some of DMC's receptions and carries away. A lot of teams employ RBBC.

Main thing is to establish a credible running game which helps Carson Palmer and Denarius Moore in the passing game, the two players that I own. :bye:
"Marcel has earned the right to carry the ball some"Doesn't sound like too bad of an RBBC. IMO, after the break-in period, it'll go to 65-35 split with McFadden-Reece. Goodson could be the odd man out.

 
The thing with Reece is, hes a fullback so both him and McFadden can be on the field at the same time without any downside.

 


Doesn't sound like too bad of an RBBC. IMO, after the break-in period, it'll go to 65-35 split with McFadden-Reece.

I'll be happy with that!! Just as long as the running game is enough of a threat so that Palmer and the passing game can score enough points to win football games.

 
The question is whether the coaching staff realizes that DMC getting the number of receptions that Reece had could be equally as good- DMC in week 1 was a PPR monster with success even when he couldn't get going on the ground. In the first game Reece came in, he didn't do much on the ground but came up big with dump off passes. It sounds like this weekend's game will be a rainy, windy mess so maybe there's enough to go around with the RBs rather than let Palmer throw sailing passes to WRs he's been out of sync with lately anyway.

Most of us that have stuck with this drama this long haven't had better options, so if you've been rolling with DMC in the past or Reece in recent weeks, you're probably rolling with them this week anyway. Dump offs to DMC and Reece could hurt Myers fantasy production as well.

 
Doesn't sound like too bad of an RBBC. IMO, after the break-in period, it'll go to 65-35 split with McFadden-Reece.

A 1st-round draft pick that gets a 65-35 split during the fantasy playoffs? Good deal! At least he's not out for the rest of the year with a season-ending injury like Jamal Charles was last year. Gotta get some production out of DMC when you start him during the fantasy playoffs! Something's better than nothing. Last week was Thanksgiving; let's be thankful for whatever DMC can get.

 
Avoiding DMAC this week. Would think he will be eased back in with Reece carrying the load very well, and potentially even having Goodson for a carry or two. Raiders are already looking to next year, so why throw the one offensive talent on the team right back into the fire first game back?

I foresee 10-12 touches for &lt;50 yards at most, with workload increasing through the stretch to be a true 65-35/70-30 through fantast playoffs, the 35 or 30 coming from Goodson and Reece.

 
I foresee 10-12 touches for &lt;50 yards at most, with workload increasing through the stretch to be a true 65-35/70-30 through fantasy playoffs, the 35 or 30 coming from Goodson and Reece.

Do you think that's enough "volume" for DMC to produce 1st-round RB stats during the fantasy playoffs, given the cupcake schedule that the Raiders are facing during the fantasy playoffs?

If I had nothing better, I'd start him. Maybe he'll get the hot hand and Coach Allen will stick with the hot hand.

 
I foresee 10-12 touches for &lt;50 yards at most, with workload increasing through the stretch to be a true 65-35/70-30 through fantasy playoffs, the 35 or 30 coming from Goodson and Reece.

Do you think that's enough "volume" for DMC to produce 1st-round RB stats during the fantasy playoffs, given the cupcake schedule that the Raiders are facing during the fantasy playoffs?

If I had nothing better, I'd start him. Maybe he'll get the hot hand and Coach Allen will stick with the hot hand.
No, not reliable RB1 stats. Def as a flex or middling RB2, but even then, I think the upside is limited. I just don't foresee any reason why the Raiders would throw the entire load back to him at this point in the season, with the other options available, etc. Yes, he's talented enough to break open any run at any time, but without the opportunity of 20+ touches in a game, don't think McFadden will deliver as you would expect a 1st round pick to deliver.

 
Latest from RotoWorld:

"According to Raiders OC Greg Knapp, FB Marcel Reece will be used primarily at running back on Sunday as Darren McFadden (ankle) "gets back into football shape."

McFadden's return is no longer in doubt, but as expected, he's not going to handle a full workload. DMC should be in for somewhere between 10-15 touches as Reece notches 5-6 carries and monopolizes passing-down snaps. Depending on how things shake out the next 1-2 weeks, that could remain the case for the rest of the season. Owners shouldn't expect McFadden to receive the massive workloads he was getting in Weeks 6-8 during the fantasy playoffs. He has his injury and pathetic 3.3 YPC to thank for that."

Hopefully, between the two of them the running game will do well, and the passing game unleashed as a result.

 
Any DMC owner starting DMC this week? Sound off.
I am...
I'm starting McFadden and Matthews :yucky: I've also got Christopher Ivory (plays Thursday), Donald Brown (plays early game Sunday), and Cedric Peerman (Sunday afternoon). If McFadden (Sunday afternoon) is a late scratch, Peerman is as good as any of my other guys :bag:
I don't think any of my other options will get many more carries than McFadden, and none of them have the big-play upside...
 
This could all change quickly with a couple of long runs... Not saying that will happen, but nobody in Oakland has to feel too secure with their jobs. They are going to want to show progress and if McFadden breaks a few he will be in there like he was before.

 
Any DMC owner starting DMC this week? Sound off.
All depends on your options.League 1: Benching Reece &amp; McFadden, starting Bryce Brown &amp; Ahmad Bradshaw.League 2: Benching Ballard &amp; Jennings, starting McFadden &amp; Spiller. Not glowing about the DMac start though.
 
League 2: Benching Ballard &amp; Jennings, starting McFadden &amp; Spiller. Not glowing about the DMac start though.

Field might be muddy this Sunday between the Raiders and Browns. DMC might find it hard to run and cut on a muddy field. Hope he doesn't jack up his ankle again on the Oakland Coliseum turf.

 
really want to start mcfadden in ppr over dhb, james jones. celek and pitta get 1.5ppr. gottays.see how reports play out the next few days.

 
League 2: Benching Ballard &amp; Jennings, starting McFadden &amp; Spiller. Not glowing about the DMac start though.

Field might be muddy this Sunday between the Raiders and Browns. DMC might find it hard to run and cut on a muddy field. Hope he doesn't jack up his ankle again on the Oakland Coliseum turf.
The news about carry shares and the weather is leading me to believe I cannot cut Reece loose.
 
Latest from RotoWorld:

"According to Raiders OC Greg Knapp, FB Marcel Reece will be used primarily at running back on Sunday as Darren McFadden (ankle) "gets back into football shape."

McFadden's return is no longer in doubt, but as expected, he's not going to handle a full workload. DMC should be in for somewhere between 10-15 touches as Reece notches 5-6 carries and monopolizes passing-down snaps. Depending on how things shake out the next 1-2 weeks, that could remain the case for the rest of the season. Owners shouldn't expect McFadden to receive the massive workloads he was getting in Weeks 6-8 during the fantasy playoffs. He has his injury and pathetic 3.3 YPC to thank for that."

Hopefully, between the two of them the running game will do well, and the passing game unleashed as a result.
I'm confused by the wording and/or interpretation of "used primarily at running back." This does not mean that he will be the primary running back, but that he will used mostly at running back (halfback) as opposed to fullback?
 
Coach Knapp Media Session

On using all of the healthy running backs:

“We’ll see. We can only suit up so many in a game. Marcel’s [Reece] done a fine job that if Darren [McFadden] or Mike [Goodson] can make it back, you’ll still see Marcel primarily as a halfback in this game because those other guys will still need some time to get their legs back underneath them.

On Darren McFadden’s recovery:

“First of all, his energy on the field has been a positive. Sometimes if a guy comes off an injury and is still struggling a little bit he’s quiet and doesn’t show much. But his energy has been great on the field and his attitude. He’s been into the meetings. I do little pop-quizzes quite often in the meetings, and he’s done a great job with that this week. He’s shown us that he’s, mentally, getting his mind to the spot of playing.”

On McFadden physically and his burst:

It’s good, but not 100 percent yet. He’s definitely shown improvement from what was being displayed in front of the trainers for the past couple of weeks, which I didn’t see as much. I did see improvement in day one to day two as far as progress for him.”

On Reece’s playing time at halfback this week:

“He’s earned the right to make you ask that question, and for us to ask the question - is he worth playing at halfback more? As a play caller, as a coordinator, I want to be able to use him in many facets. There’s an advantage to having as a fullback. If you’re the defensive coordinator, and he plays fullback, they’ve got to keep a base defense on the field. Then we can get him matched up on linebackers and safeties. Whereas, if we just put him at halfback, they treat him as a third wide-out sometimes. I threw out the phrase to the guys on the field, ‘Here comes our renaissance man, he does a little bit of everything.’ He’s done a fine job of it. I’d like to keep him in that flexibility role for us where he can play fullback for us, and can play halfback. If we go to displaced sets, he can be outside and get a one-on-one matchup.”

On why McFadden struggled in the first half of the year:

“You know what? I thought the same thing. I self-reflected this week, made some progress in the run game, and I’ll go back to what I mentioned at the beginning of the year. It is so hard to start your offensive line when your center doesn’t get any reps in the off-season. He only got two weeks of reps in training camp then he got hurt. I’m going to give credit where credit is due. The O-line, [stefen] Wisniewski has really made progress in the run game for us to help spot us right, and his technique. The fact that we got our starting right tackle back in Khalif Barnes, rather than playing with a right tackle that we picked up right before the season began, has really helped our run game more than anything else. Fortunately for us, the backs have benefitted from what’s happened up front. They’ve done an excellent job of executing the run game up front.

On if zone-blocking was an issue:

No, just like I said back at the beginning of the year, you don’t change two-fifths of the front line and expect to have a great run game to begin, and protection. That’s a major deal. The starting center of your group makes all the calls in protections and the run game.
 
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I don't care if he plays I ain't putting him near my lineup this week. If he lows up for 150 and 3 Tds so be it. It will be in my bench. I've got either beanie wells, Moreno, or hartline to plug into my flex over him. Too risky to put him in my lineup in a win and im in week 13 matchup.

Coming off a HaS there is risk of aggravating it an he goes you a big fat goose egg. Even if he stays healthy he has sucked all year minus one or two decent games and Reece is doing much better. Who cares why. "Oh it's BC Reece saves 6 man fronts instead of 8 man fronts". Doesn't matter. What matter for us fantasy players is that when McFadden is in the game they put up 8 man fronts and hit him down. When Reece is in the game, the raiders run game has more room to work and it operates better.

Too many question marks to start McFadden this week unless you already have the playoffs locked up and it's just for the hell of it.

 
I don't care if he plays I ain't putting him near my lineup this week. If he lows up for 150 and 3 Tds so be it. It will be in my bench. I've got either beanie wells, Moreno, or hartline to plug into my flex over him. Too risky to put him in my lineup in a win and im in week 13 matchup. Coming off a HaS there is risk of aggravating it an he goes you a big fat goose egg. Even if he stays healthy he has sucked all year minus one or two decent games and Reece is doing much better. Who cares why. "Oh it's BC Reece saves 6 man fronts instead of 8 man fronts". Doesn't matter. What matter for us fantasy players is that when McFadden is in the game they put up 8 man fronts and hit him down. When Reece is in the game, the raiders run game has more room to work and it operates better. Too many question marks to start McFadden this week unless you already have the playoffs locked up and it's just for the hell of it.
I'm also concerned with next week's Thursday Night Football matchup against Denver.
 
I don't care if he plays I ain't putting him near my lineup this week. If he lows up for 150 and 3 Tds so be it. It will be in my bench. I've got either beanie wells, Moreno, or hartline to plug into my flex over him. Too risky to put him in my lineup in a win and im in week 13 matchup.
I understand not playing Mcfadden, but your other options are all just as likely to put up an egg as he is.Beanie and Moreno have a long history of terrible performances, while Hartline has had 2-3 good games this year and a ton of poor games.
 
Based on Knapp's comments and the weather, I think I'm going with Reece over DMC- they may not want to chance DMC slipping in the mud and twisting his ankle. He may be a glorified decoy.

 
It was looking good earlier in the week, but:

Darren McFadden (ankle) was noncommittal when asked he would play Sunday versus the Browns."I'm just working hard," McFadden said. "Whatever happens when Sunday gets here, I'm going to roll with it." Beat writers have noted that McFadden is running and cutting like normal, but OC Greg Knapp says DMC's burst is "good, but not 100 percent yet." Knapp suggested that Marcel Reece would get the bulk of the halfback workload even if McFadden does suit up in what are expected to be tropical storm conditions. Nov 30 - 12:28 PMSource: CSN Bay Area
 
Bottom line is, most rosters have better options than DMC this week.

Next week, on a short week, given DMC's fresh legs from all the rest, that may be the time to unleash him.

The best to hope for is a 3 week, season ending flurry from DMC, starting next Thursday.

 
Based on Knapp's comments and the weather, I think I'm going with Reece over DMC- they may not want to chance DMC slipping in the mud and twisting his ankle. He may be a glorified decoy.
Reece may be in for a huge ppr day; considering the quagmire/wind/etc ... downfield passing will be limited for sure.
 
'Please See Mine said:
'ChummyShark said:
Latest from RotoWorld:

"According to Raiders OC Greg Knapp, FB Marcel Reece will be used primarily at running back on Sunday as Darren McFadden (ankle) "gets back into football shape."

McFadden's return is no longer in doubt, but as expected, he's not going to handle a full workload. DMC should be in for somewhere between 10-15 touches as Reece notches 5-6 carries and monopolizes passing-down snaps. Depending on how things shake out the next 1-2 weeks, that could remain the case for the rest of the season. Owners shouldn't expect McFadden to receive the massive workloads he was getting in Weeks 6-8 during the fantasy playoffs. He has his injury and pathetic 3.3 YPC to thank for that."

Hopefully, between the two of them the running game will do well, and the passing game unleashed as a result.
I'm confused by the wording and/or interpretation of "used primarily at running back." This does not mean that he will be the primary running back, but that he will used mostly at running back (halfback) as opposed to fullback?
RW Update:
Jerry McDonald of the Oakland Tribune anticipates Marcel Reece getting "a lot of work" in Week 13 against the Browns, regardless of whether or not Darren McFadden (ankle) and Mike Goodson (ankle) are active.

Reece is the Raiders' best option as a feature back in OC Greg Knapp's system, while McFadden and Goodson are both listed as questionable. Fantasy owners shouldn't be the least bit surprised if Reece continues to receive the majority of the Raiders backfield touches, even if McFadden and Goodson return. It's become clear as the week as gone along that Reece will remain the fantasy bet of the group. At least in Week 13.
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5094/marcel-reece
McFadden, Goodson game-time decisions. Expect Reece to get lots of work, though.
https://twitter.com/Jerrymcd/status/274610718953852928Is it possible that Reece keeps his touch count this week while McFadden gets what Stewart/Jones have been getting?

 
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Based on Knapp's comments and the weather, I think I'm going with Reece over DMC- they may not want to chance DMC slipping in the mud and twisting his ankle. He may be a glorified decoy.
Reece may be in for a huge ppr day; considering the quagmire/wind/etc ... downfield passing will be limited for sure.
Let's hope for this and it makes sense.If McFadden is out then I'm going Reece over Moreno I expect....
 
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Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefterAfter optimism he would play this week, Raiders RB Darren McFadden unlikely to play today vs Cleveland.
Yep, as I have feared all along, McFadden is gone come back during the playoffs...so that he'll effectively make both himself AND Reece unstartable at a time when we all have no margin for error. Best we can hope for is that the Raiders are following a similar approach as NE with Hernandez..That is, keep the healthy-enough returning player out on Sunday, play him extensively on Thursday, then give him 10 days to recover (instead of the 4 if he played today). But that still screws us all for Thursday as we won't really know what the workload for each will be
 
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefterAfter optimism he would play this week, Raiders RB Darren McFadden unlikely to play today vs Cleveland.
:thumbup: Work him in on Thursday night against a tough matchup, Denver. Then have him ready against easier matchups, KC and CAR.Wouldn't be wise to have him come back in this weather.
 
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter

After optimism he would play this week, Raiders RB Darren McFadden unlikely to play today vs Cleveland.
Yep, as I have feared all along, McFadden is gone come back during the playoffs...so that he'll effectively make both himself AND Reece unstartable at a time when we all have no margin for error. Best we can hope for is that the Raiders are following a similar approach as NE with Hernandez..That is, keep the healthy-enough returning player out on Sunday, play him extensively on Thursday, then give him 10 days to recover (instead of the 4 if he played today). But that still screws us all for Thursday as we won't really know what the workload for each will be
MUTHA F'er :wall: :wall: :wall: Yep. We're gonna get hosed come Thursday ... and would rather it be Marcel fulltime, TBH ... rather see him rack up the catches and carries in a game where the Raiders are sure to be playing catch up ... :boxing:

 
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter

After optimism he would play this week, Raiders RB Darren McFadden unlikely to play today vs Cleveland.
Yep, as I have feared all along, McFadden is gone come back during the playoffs...so that he'll effectively make both himself AND Reece unstartable at a time when we all have no margin for error. Best we can hope for is that the Raiders are following a similar approach as NE with Hernandez..That is, keep the healthy-enough returning player out on Sunday, play him extensively on Thursday, then give him 10 days to recover (instead of the 4 if he played today). But that still screws us all for Thursday as we won't really know what the workload for each will be
MUTHA F'er :wall: :wall: :wall: Yep. We're gonna get hosed come Thursday ... and would rather it be Marcel fulltime, TBH ... rather see him rack up the catches and carries in a game where the Raiders are sure to be playing catch up ... :boxing:
Watching today's game, I'd be shocked if McFadden didn't get 60%+ of the carries. Marcel lined up a lot at fullback and slot....with Stewart @ RB.Marcel was a great asset for a month in PPR leagues, but I think the RB1 value he provided over that stretch is long gone. Risky flex play at this point IMO.

 
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefterAfter optimism he would play this week, Raiders RB Darren McFadden unlikely to play today vs Cleveland.
:thumbup: Work him in on Thursday night against a tough matchup, Denver. Then have him ready against easier matchups, KC and CAR.Wouldn't be wise to have him come back in this weather.
Agree 100% -- this was a move to not risk further aggravation, and because of it, I would wager that McFadden is that much closer to 100% come Thursday, and also get the lion's share of the touches, instead of an RBBC situation with Stewart/Goodson/Jones/Reece.Worried about how well he'll have the rust knocked off for some crucial fantasy playoff matches, but at least can assume he'll have hte opportunity to perform as the primary carrier.
 
CorkOnTheNFL: Coach Allen said he expects McFadden to play Thursday night.
Lol I've heard that before. So who's actually starting him in the first rd of their playoffs? Oakland has been terrible and they're playing a tough defense on a Thursday night which has been bad luck.I might suck it up and start greene again. Guy has gotten a solid 6-10 pts every week
 
CorkOnTheNFL: Coach Allen said he expects McFadden to play Thursday night.
Lol I've heard that before. So who's actually starting him in the first rd of their playoffs? Oakland has been terrible and they're playing a tough defense on a Thursday night which has been bad luck.I might suck it up and start greene again. Guy has gotten a solid 6-10 pts every week
First round bye here, I'll wait to see how Week 14 pans out.
 
'mquinnjr said:
'shadyridr said:
'One said:
CorkOnTheNFL: Coach Allen said he expects McFadden to play Thursday night.
Lol I've heard that before. So who's actually starting him in the first rd of their playoffs? Oakland has been terrible and they're playing a tough defense on a Thursday night which has been bad luck.I might suck it up and start greene again. Guy has gotten a solid 6-10 pts every week
First round bye here, I'll wait to see how Week 14 pans out.
Same here. Thankfully. I'm not sure what I'd do with him Thursday night... Hope he looks good because the week 15/16 matchups against KC and Carolina look promising.
 
'shadyridr said:
'One said:
CorkOnTheNFL: Coach Allen said he expects McFadden to play Thursday night.
Lol I've heard that before. So who's actually starting him in the first rd of their playoffs? Oakland has been terrible and they're playing a tough defense on a Thursday night which has been bad luck.I might suck it up and start greene again. Guy has gotten a solid 6-10 pts every week
I'm sitting him one more week. (Assuming he plays on Thurs.)
 
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