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Pack gonna let Randall Cobb test the market? (1 Viewer)

Did I want to leave Green Bay in 2003? Heck, no. I loved playing for the Packers. Lambeau Field on Sundays? That's a magical place. And with Brett Favre at quarterback, we were a real contender.

But I signed an offer sheet with the Redskins anyway.

Why? Because it was more money, and that's how free agency works.

I was three years into my NFL career, a restricted free agent, and Steve Spurrier and Daniel Snyder were offering me a four-year deal that the Packers wouldn't match. I saw an opportunity to start at safety, gain some security in the league and put a couple of bucks in my pocket.

I know there will be negative opinions, talk about hometown discounts and questions of loyalty. But here's the reality of the NFL: The highest bidder in free agency almost always wins out.

It's simple logic, really. The highest bid is the one that creates the most opportunity and security, and a player doesn't get many chances at that during the prime of his pro career—a career that probably won't last more than a decade. It's a young man's game, and it doesn't take long for veterans to fade into retirement.

Forget hometown discounts, ideal matches and such when you're looking at where impact players like Ndamukong Suh, Devin McCourty,DeMarco Murray and Randall Cobb are going to land when free agency opens Tuesday. Those guys are going to demand top dollar on the open market, and they'll be all business in making their decisions.

Don't get me wrong. All offers being equal, most players would re-sign with their current teams and continue working in a familiar environment.

Agent Jack Bechta, the founder and owner of JB Sports, who represented me during my playing career, said in his experience, "Nine times out of 10, players want to stay with their original team."

They just want to do it "while being paid free-agent, open-marketplace money."

It's easier not to leave when you're comfortable with the coaches, teammates, culture, playbooks and even huddle terminology. Forget selling a house, bringing in the moving truck and uprooting your family in the middle of the school year. A player doesn't want to start over. He'll give his current team a chance to make the first offer to provide the security he's looking for.

But the other side's doing business, too, and often the right offer's just not there—whether it's because of the salary cap, the numbers at a specific position, a club just not seeing the money value in your skill set or a club thinking it can replace you with a younger (and cheaper) version through the draft.

If a player and his agent think he can get more elsewhere, they'll look for it, because that window to get paid market value cash is extremely small.

Winning games? Yeah, that matters when you visit teams as a free agent. Every guy would like to go to a team that is on the doorstep of competing for a Super Bowl title.

The coaching staff matters, too. Guys want to play for the best.

Location? Sure, players want to be close to their families, and the weather also has an impact. San Diego or Buffalo? There's a big difference there.

All of that can factor into a player's decision when he picks a new squad during free agency. But not before the money.

During the 2014 offseason, offensive guard Jeff Schwartz signed a four-year deal with the Giants as an unrestricted free agent that included over $5 million in guarantees. I asked him what the deciding factor was. The chance to win with the Giants? The coaches in New York? The money?

A combination of the three.

"When money is equal, those factors take over," he said. "I had equal offers, and it wasn't even close in my mind. I wanted to be a Giant."

And if the hadn't been equal?

"No free agent is ever turning down the money. We have relatively short careers, so when you've earned a chance at [free agency], you have to take it."

What Schwartz is saying holds true with the majority of free agents on the market. They want to play on the postseason stage and work in a structured football environment. They don't want fans to think they "abandoned" the team, even if we all know that's an unfair characterization. They don't want to leave town.

But the money has to be right when they test the open market. That's still the deciding factor when multiple offers are thrown down on the table during free agency.

Suh is going to break the bank. We know that. McCourty deserves a big contract. Murray will find a team that puts value into the running back position. And Cobb, well, he is going to get No. 1 wide receiver money.

They're top-level players; they've proven that through high-level production and consistent play. It's time for them to be rewarded for that.

And don't expect them, or anyone else, to turn down the reward.

Seven-year NFL veteran Matt Bowen is an NFL National Lead Writer for Bleacher Report.
 
I think he takes a huge hit...finishes maybe 70-800-5 next year in oakland.
James Jones finished last year 73-666-6 with Carr as a rookie. I think Cobb is better than Jones, and Carr should (theoretically at least) improve in his second season.
I think Jones is a guy that goes up and gets balls which helped Carr out...Cobb isn't the same mold...he needs a guy to rifle those passes in there for him accurately

It's all just guessing right now but my guess is that if Cobb signs with Oakland or Jax within 2-3 years he's a nobody.

 
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I think he takes a huge hit...finishes maybe 70-800-5 next year in oakland.
James Jones finished last year 73-666-6 with Carr as a rookie. I think Cobb is better than Jones, and Carr should (theoretically at least) improve in his second season.
I think Jones is a guy that goes up and gets balls which helped Carr out...Cobb isn't the same mold...he needs a guy to rifle those passes in there for him accurately

It's all just guessing right now but my guess is that if Cobb signs with Oakland or Jax within 2-3 years he's a nobody.
I could not disagree with this more.

 
I think he takes a huge hit...finishes maybe 70-800-5 next year in oakland.
James Jones finished last year 73-666-6 with Carr as a rookie. I think Cobb is better than Jones, and Carr should (theoretically at least) improve in his second season.
I think Jones is a guy that goes up and gets balls which helped Carr out...Cobb isn't the same mold...he needs a guy to rifle those passes in there for him accurately

It's all just guessing right now but my guess is that if Cobb signs with Oakland or Jax within 2-3 years he's a nobody.
I could not disagree with this more.
Only time will tell. We'll pull this thread up at the end of next year.

 
what are the chances a team like ATL or Car makes an offer? or Indy and TB? Car cap situation isnt good, but the rest look to have room between 32 and 40 Million

 
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killface said:
I think he takes a huge hit...finishes maybe 70-800-5 next year in oakland.
James Jones finished last year 73-666-6 with Carr as a rookie. I think Cobb is better than Jones, and Carr should (theoretically at least) improve in his second season.
I think Jones is a guy that goes up and gets balls which helped Carr out...Cobb isn't the same mold...he needs a guy to rifle those passes in there for him accurately

It's all just guessing right now but my guess is that if Cobb signs with Oakland or Jax within 2-3 years he's a nobody.
I also couldn't disagree more. Cobb has a lot of skills.

 
killface said:
I think he takes a huge hit...finishes maybe 70-800-5 next year in oakland.
James Jones finished last year 73-666-6 with Carr as a rookie. I think Cobb is better than Jones, and Carr should (theoretically at least) improve in his second season.
I think Jones is a guy that goes up and gets balls which helped Carr out...Cobb isn't the same mold...he needs a guy to rifle those passes in there for him accurately

It's all just guessing right now but my guess is that if Cobb signs with Oakland or Jax within 2-3 years he's a nobody.
I also couldn't disagree more. Cobb has a lot of skills.
its where players go to get paid and statistically die

 
killface said:
I think he takes a huge hit...finishes maybe 70-800-5 next year in oakland.
James Jones finished last year 73-666-6 with Carr as a rookie. I think Cobb is better than Jones, and Carr should (theoretically at least) improve in his second season.
I think Jones is a guy that goes up and gets balls which helped Carr out...Cobb isn't the same mold...he needs a guy to rifle those passes in there for him accurately

It's all just guessing right now but my guess is that if Cobb signs with Oakland or Jax within 2-3 years he's a nobody.
Odds are that the team will not deem him worthy of the $ the contract was for (due to a drop in production form his GB years) and they either cut or re-negotiate down. That is currently what is happening to Jennings.

Jennings will see only the guaranteed $ if he is cut before this season. Then he has to latch on somewhere for what is most likely vet minimum. The Pack was offering the same length deal (I believe) but for $8 mil per year. So the question is would he actually have made more $ by sticking with an elite QB.

When you go from the penthouse of NFL QBs, to the outhouse, do not expect that contract to be paid in full. The poster child for this was Peerless Price who put up good numbers with the Bills and Bledsoe, thought he was great and signed for big $ with the Falcons and Vick. He never busted 1k yards again and was cut after the 2nd year, his career pretty much over with.

 
killface said:
I think he takes a huge hit...finishes maybe 70-800-5 next year in oakland.
James Jones finished last year 73-666-6 with Carr as a rookie. I think Cobb is better than Jones, and Carr should (theoretically at least) improve in his second season.
I think Jones is a guy that goes up and gets balls which helped Carr out...Cobb isn't the same mold...he needs a guy to rifle those passes in there for him accurately

It's all just guessing right now but my guess is that if Cobb signs with Oakland or Jax within 2-3 years he's a nobody.
I also couldn't disagree more. Cobb has a lot of skills.
its where players go to get paid and statistically die
While his stats will go down, I don't see this as an Eric Decker situation. Of course, we'll have to see where he ends up b/f making a final judgement.

 
Odds are that the team will not deem him worthy of the $ the contract was for (due to a drop in production form his GB years) and they either cut or re-negotiate down. That is currently what is happening to Jennings.

Jennings will see only the guaranteed $ if he is cut before this season. Then he has to latch on somewhere for what is most likely vet minimum. The Pack was offering the same length deal (I believe) but for $8 mil per year. So the question is would he actually have made more $ by sticking with an elite QB.

When you go from the penthouse of NFL QBs, to the outhouse, do not expect that contract to be paid in full. The poster child for this was Peerless Price who put up good numbers with the Bills and Bledsoe, thought he was great and signed for big $ with the Falcons and Vick. He never busted 1k yards again and was cut after the 2nd year, his career pretty much over with.
Even if the Vikes keep Jennings this year, he still only averaged a million more ($9M) than the Packers offered and there's little chance he sees $9M non-guaranteed next year. Had he stayed in GB he could played several more years at a higher amount than he's going to get after he's cut in Minnesota.

 
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Odds are that the team will not deem him worthy of the $ the contract was for (due to a drop in production form his GB years) and they either cut or re-negotiate down. That is currently what is happening to Jennings.

Jennings will see only the guaranteed $ if he is cut before this season. Then he has to latch on somewhere for what is most likely vet minimum. The Pack was offering the same length deal (I believe) but for $8 mil per year. So the question is would he actually have made more $ by sticking with an elite QB.

When you go from the penthouse of NFL QBs, to the outhouse, do not expect that contract to be paid in full. The poster child for this was Peerless Price who put up good numbers with the Bills and Bledsoe, thought he was great and signed for big $ with the Falcons and Vick. He never busted 1k yards again and was cut after the 2nd year, his career pretty much over with.
Even if the Vikes keep Jennings this year, he still only averaged a million more ($9M) than the Packers offered and there's little chance he sees $9M non-guaranteed next year. Had he stayed in GB he could played several more years at a higher amount than he's going to get after he's cut in Minnesota.
Maybe. Or the Packers could have cut him when their younger guys developed. Lot of assumptions here. Or was he offered a guaranteed contract by the Pack?

 
Odds are that the team will not deem him worthy of the $ the contract was for (due to a drop in production form his GB years) and they either cut or re-negotiate down. That is currently what is happening to Jennings.

Jennings will see only the guaranteed $ if he is cut before this season. Then he has to latch on somewhere for what is most likely vet minimum. The Pack was offering the same length deal (I believe) but for $8 mil per year. So the question is would he actually have made more $ by sticking with an elite QB.

When you go from the penthouse of NFL QBs, to the outhouse, do not expect that contract to be paid in full. The poster child for this was Peerless Price who put up good numbers with the Bills and Bledsoe, thought he was great and signed for big $ with the Falcons and Vick. He never busted 1k yards again and was cut after the 2nd year, his career pretty much over with.
Even if the Vikes keep Jennings this year, he still only averaged a million more ($9M) than the Packers offered and there's little chance he sees $9M non-guaranteed next year. Had he stayed in GB he could played several more years at a higher amount than he's going to get after he's cut in Minnesota.
Maybe. Or the Packers could have cut him when their younger guys developed. Lot of assumptions here. Or was he offered a guaranteed contract by the Pack?
Also, "only" a million more per year? That's not insignifcant when you consider this money they make now is going to need to last these guys for a while since their career will end in their mid-thirties.
 
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killface said:
I think he takes a huge hit...finishes maybe 70-800-5 next year in oakland.
James Jones finished last year 73-666-6 with Carr as a rookie. I think Cobb is better than Jones, and Carr should (theoretically at least) improve in his second season.
I think Jones is a guy that goes up and gets balls which helped Carr out...Cobb isn't the same mold...he needs a guy to rifle those passes in there for him accurately

It's all just guessing right now but my guess is that if Cobb signs with Oakland or Jax within 2-3 years he's a nobody.
I also couldn't disagree more. Cobb has a lot of skills.
its where players go to get paid and statistically die
I would totally agree a few years ago. Not so much now. Things have changed in Oakland. They are a playoff team yet but they are on the upswing. Carr proved last year that he has potential. He is no Rogers but he is solid.

 
killface said:
I think he takes a huge hit...finishes maybe 70-800-5 next year in oakland.
James Jones finished last year 73-666-6 with Carr as a rookie. I think Cobb is better than Jones, and Carr should (theoretically at least) improve in his second season.
I think Jones is a guy that goes up and gets balls which helped Carr out...Cobb isn't the same mold...he needs a guy to rifle those passes in there for him accurately

It's all just guessing right now but my guess is that if Cobb signs with Oakland or Jax within 2-3 years he's a nobody.
I also couldn't disagree more. Cobb has a lot of skills.
its where players go to get paid and statistically die
Again, Mr. Carr is a pretty good talent. Not the same as it was a few years ago. People need to get that out of their heads.

 
Odds are that the team will not deem him worthy of the $ the contract was for (due to a drop in production form his GB years) and they either cut or re-negotiate down. That is currently what is happening to Jennings.

Jennings will see only the guaranteed $ if he is cut before this season. Then he has to latch on somewhere for what is most likely vet minimum. The Pack was offering the same length deal (I believe) but for $8 mil per year. So the question is would he actually have made more $ by sticking with an elite QB.

When you go from the penthouse of NFL QBs, to the outhouse, do not expect that contract to be paid in full. The poster child for this was Peerless Price who put up good numbers with the Bills and Bledsoe, thought he was great and signed for big $ with the Falcons and Vick. He never busted 1k yards again and was cut after the 2nd year, his career pretty much over with.
Even if the Vikes keep Jennings this year, he still only averaged a million more ($9M) than the Packers offered and there's little chance he sees $9M non-guaranteed next year. Had he stayed in GB he could played several more years at a higher amount than he's going to get after he's cut in Minnesota.
:lmao:

He's about to sign for a LOT more money than GB was even thinking about, can we put this fantasy land nonsense to bed please?

 
Team rooting interest aside, Cobb is a fun player to watch, and I hope he goes to a team where he won't go to waste (see: not Oakland, Washington or Cleveland).

 
Odds are that the team will not deem him worthy of the $ the contract was for (due to a drop in production form his GB years) and they either cut or re-negotiate down. That is currently what is happening to Jennings.

Jennings will see only the guaranteed $ if he is cut before this season. Then he has to latch on somewhere for what is most likely vet minimum. The Pack was offering the same length deal (I believe) but for $8 mil per year. So the question is would he actually have made more $ by sticking with an elite QB.

When you go from the penthouse of NFL QBs, to the outhouse, do not expect that contract to be paid in full. The poster child for this was Peerless Price who put up good numbers with the Bills and Bledsoe, thought he was great and signed for big $ with the Falcons and Vick. He never busted 1k yards again and was cut after the 2nd year, his career pretty much over with.
Even if the Vikes keep Jennings this year, he still only averaged a million more ($9M) than the Packers offered and there's little chance he sees $9M non-guaranteed next year. Had he stayed in GB he could played several more years at a higher amount than he's going to get after he's cut in Minnesota.
And your reason for believing Thompson is more inclined to waste more money on an aging possession WR than Vikings management is willing to waste on an aging possession receiver is?
 
Odds are that the team will not deem him worthy of the $ the contract was for (due to a drop in production form his GB years) and they either cut or re-negotiate down. That is currently what is happening to Jennings.

Jennings will see only the guaranteed $ if he is cut before this season. Then he has to latch on somewhere for what is most likely vet minimum. The Pack was offering the same length deal (I believe) but for $8 mil per year. So the question is would he actually have made more $ by sticking with an elite QB.

When you go from the penthouse of NFL QBs, to the outhouse, do not expect that contract to be paid in full. The poster child for this was Peerless Price who put up good numbers with the Bills and Bledsoe, thought he was great and signed for big $ with the Falcons and Vick. He never busted 1k yards again and was cut after the 2nd year, his career pretty much over with.
Even if the Vikes keep Jennings this year, he still only averaged a million more ($9M) than the Packers offered and there's little chance he sees $9M non-guaranteed next year. Had he stayed in GB he could played several more years at a higher amount than he's going to get after he's cut in Minnesota.
And your reason for believing Thompson is more inclined to waste more money on an aging possession WR than Vikings management is willing to waste on an aging possession receiver is?
How many years did Thompson keep a washed up Driver around?

 
Odds are that the team will not deem him worthy of the $ the contract was for (due to a drop in production form his GB years) and they either cut or re-negotiate down. That is currently what is happening to Jennings.

Jennings will see only the guaranteed $ if he is cut before this season. Then he has to latch on somewhere for what is most likely vet minimum. The Pack was offering the same length deal (I believe) but for $8 mil per year. So the question is would he actually have made more $ by sticking with an elite QB.

When you go from the penthouse of NFL QBs, to the outhouse, do not expect that contract to be paid in full. The poster child for this was Peerless Price who put up good numbers with the Bills and Bledsoe, thought he was great and signed for big $ with the Falcons and Vick. He never busted 1k yards again and was cut after the 2nd year, his career pretty much over with.
Even if the Vikes keep Jennings this year, he still only averaged a million more ($9M) than the Packers offered and there's little chance he sees $9M non-guaranteed next year. Had he stayed in GB he could played several more years at a higher amount than he's going to get after he's cut in Minnesota.
And your reason for believing Thompson is more inclined to waste more money on an aging possession WR than Vikings management is willing to waste on an aging possession receiver is?
How many years did Thompson keep a washed up Driver around?
Longer than he kept an aging Jennings and Jones. And at what price? Sorry, but the theory that a player will get more by sticking with his original organization because he will be allowed to play there later in his career than he will be allowed to play in his new organization is pure speculation.

 
The title is inaccurate. In order for Cobb to stay with Green Bay, he would have to be willing to take 1-2 MIL less. This is not saying he is will do so, as your title suggests.

A bit of homer-ism from the Acme Packing Co.

Here is the actual report :

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Source: Charles Robinson on Twitter
Mar 7 - 1:39 PM
Yahoo! Sports' Charles Robinson reports free agent WR Randall Cobb would have to take $1-2 million less per year to re-sign with the Packers.
Green Bay is reportedly willing to pay Cobb $9 million a year, but Cobb is expected to receive offers of up to $11 million a season from cap stacked teams like the Jaguars and Raiders. It is not inconceivable Cobb would take a hometown discount to continue playing with the best quarterback in the game, but $2 million is quite a bit more than a discount. Cobb will likely be playing somewhere else in 2015.
 
The title is inaccurate. In order for Cobb to stay with Green Bay, he would have to be willing to take 1-2 MIL less. This is not saying he is will do so, as your title suggests.

A bit of homer-ism from the Acme Packing Co.

Here is the actual report :

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Source: Charles Robinson on Twitter
Mar 7 - 1:39 PM
Yahoo! Sports' Charles Robinson reports free agent WR Randall Cobb would have to take $1-2 million less per year to re-sign with the Packers.
Green Bay is reportedly willing to pay Cobb $9 million a year, but Cobb is expected to receive offers of up to $11 million a season from cap stacked teams like the Jaguars and Raiders. It is not inconceivable Cobb would take a hometown discount to continue playing with the best quarterback in the game, but $2 million is quite a bit more than a discount. Cobb will likely be playing somewhere else in 2015.
I'm guessing you missed the question mark, I didn't suggest he'd be willing to do anything. And no, what you quoted isn't the "actual report", it's the blurb from Rotoworld. The actual tweet linked in that article is here:

Charles RobinsonVerified account@CharlesRobinson
Per Randall Cobb, a return to #Packershttps://twitter.com/hashtag/Packers?src=hash would likely be for $1-2 mil less per yr than elsewhere (not counting non-personal income tax states)

9:49 AM - 7 Mar 2015https://twitter.com/adam_pierson

 
He just has that injury feeling. Keeper value makes me nervous. The minute he signs id be shopping him.

 
A little more than they first said....didn't give him 12 mil and he never got to FA.

Good to have him back. Interested to see the details.

 
SO after all that "he wont take a cut to stay in GB"....

He takes a cut to stay in GB :lol:
Which is bizarre. I mean, nobody who is a Packer fan predicted this. And TT has no track record of paying to keep young talent.I'm ecstatic that Cobb is staying, and Rodgers will have great playmakers around him.

 
Odds are that the team will not deem him worthy of the $ the contract was for (due to a drop in production form his GB years) and they either cut or re-negotiate down. That is currently what is happening to Jennings.

Jennings will see only the guaranteed $ if he is cut before this season. Then he has to latch on somewhere for what is most likely vet minimum. The Pack was offering the same length deal (I believe) but for $8 mil per year. So the question is would he actually have made more $ by sticking with an elite QB.

When you go from the penthouse of NFL QBs, to the outhouse, do not expect that contract to be paid in full. The poster child for this was Peerless Price who put up good numbers with the Bills and Bledsoe, thought he was great and signed for big $ with the Falcons and Vick. He never busted 1k yards again and was cut after the 2nd year, his career pretty much over with.
Even if the Vikes keep Jennings this year, he still only averaged a million more ($9M) than the Packers offered and there's little chance he sees $9M non-guaranteed next year. Had he stayed in GB he could played several more years at a higher amount than he's going to get after he's cut in Minnesota.
:lmao:

He's about to sign for a LOT more money than GB was even thinking about, can we put this fantasy land nonsense to bed please?
:popcorn:

 
Jesue people in this thread sure read and hear what they like to.

When I said that some people prefer to be rich and happy than rich and miserable, that was NOT an assumption that he would be miserable if he left. Not at all.

Turns out he is staying in Green Bay because he KNOWS he is happy, and to not risk being miserable somewhere else.

This also in no way GUARANTEES he will be happy this entire time in Green Bay, but shows he think he will be.

Lord, quit reading what you think people are saying and just read what they are saying. Cobb is staying for less money than he could get on the open market for lots of reasons.

But, I guess this means Cobb is a moron. Oh well, I guess Cobb is a moron then.

 
I totally missed this call.

This is big win for GB. Also a big for. FF owners of Cobb and even Rogers.

I still think this is a mistake by Cobb.

 
I totally missed this call.

This is big win for GB. Also a big for. FF owners of Cobb and even Rogers.

I still think this is a mistake by Cobb.
10 M a year to play with Rodgers in a place where he's happy. I wouldn't have faulted him for signing elsewhere, but hard to conclude that's a mistake.

 

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