Packers Close To Deal W/Raiders for Moss (1 Viewer)

[Aaronstory]

Sources have said the two teams have been discussing Moss for more than a month. On Monday, a source familiar with the inner workings of both organizations said Thompson had spoken directly with Raiders owner Al Davis about dealing for Moss.

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[zamboni]

Seems like a misleading title. Maybe I read it too fast, but I don't see where a deal is in place.

 

[cr8f]

"It's possible that the two sides might not agree on compensation until summer, if at all, with Davis holding out for at least a second-round pick to save face and Thompson hoping he'll just waive Moss and gain a reported $8 million in cap space."

I don't see where the deal in place is.

 

[Whiplash Inc.]

Make it happen.

 

[Aaronstory]

Seems like a misleading title. Maybe I read it too fast, but I don't see where a deal is in place.

But the source said he was confident that Packers negotiator Andrew Brandt, with permission from Davis, already had had preliminary talks to restructure Moss' remaining base salaries of $9.75 million in 2007 and $11.25 million in '08.I meant the financial deal. You're right. I'll change it.

 

[towney]

I myself don't like the idea of giving up your best defensive player in KGB or for that matter Williams either for a question mark in the offense.

From what I get out of the article is the sentiment is "no-Moss", Harlan seems to echo this sentiment too. It looks like today we will get a better idea for the Packer men in charge are meeting on this~Stay Tuned....

 

[identikit]

Forum Topic title:

'Packers Close To Deal W/Radiers for Moss'

New innovative spelling makes the Oakland NFL team sound French. Not there's anything wrong with that...

Id

 

[Getinthemix]

I myself don't like the idea of giving up your best defensive player in KGB or for that matter Williams either for a question mark in the offense.

From what I get out of the article is the sentiment is "no-Moss", Harlan seems to echo this sentiment too. It looks like today we will get a better idea for the Packer men in charge are meeting on this~Stay Tuned....

Is it 2003 again?

 

[coolnerd]

I myself don't like the idea of giving up your best defensive player in KGB or for that matter Williams either for a question mark in the offense.

From what I get out of the article is the sentiment is "no-Moss", Harlan seems to echo this sentiment too. It looks like today we will get a better idea for the Packer men in charge are meeting on this~Stay Tuned....

I don't follow the Packers that closely, but I pretty sure that KGB is not anywhere close to the best defensive end on that team, much less the best player.

 

[Challenge Everything]

I myself don't like the idea of giving up your best defensive player in KGB or for that matter Williams either for a question mark in the offense.

From what I get out of the article is the sentiment is "no-Moss", Harlan seems to echo this sentiment too. It looks like today we will get a better idea for the Packer men in charge are meeting on this~Stay Tuned....

Is it 2003 again?

Yeah, I could name at least 4 that are better and probably just about every starter is better. KGB is in the Marquand Manuel category here.

 

[Whiplash Inc.]

I'll take the pick or a solid Olineman, though I doubt they'd part with the latter.

 

[Chunky Soup]

I never will understand why the Packers don't want him. Just because he your ### when he was with the Vikes, you don't want him? Don't you want to win more games, or would you rather miss the playoffs more?

 

[Aaronstory]

I myself don't like the idea of giving up your best defensive player in KGB or for that matter Williams either for a question mark in the offense.

From what I get out of the article is the sentiment is "no-Moss", Harlan seems to echo this sentiment too. It looks like today we will get a better idea for the Packer men in charge are meeting on this~Stay Tuned....

Put. The Pipe. Down.

 

[Challenge Everything]

I never will understand why the Packers don't want him. Just because he your ### when he was with the Vikes, you don't want him? Don't you want to win more games, or would you rather miss the playoffs more?

What are you talking about? I would say the ratio to wanting:not wanting from Packer fans is about 75%:25%.

 

[LAUNCH]

I myself don't like the idea of giving up your best defensive player in KGB .

This is why I keep coming back...yesterday I learned that Kelley Washington is a "premier" WR and now I learn that KGB is the best defensive player for the Packers.:gold:

LAUNCH

 

[Banger]

he'd be huge with Favre.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I never will understand why the Packers don't want him. Just because he your ### when he was with the Vikes, you don't want him? Don't you want to win more games, or would you rather miss the playoffs more?

Except for the part where Moss doesn't help teams win games, I think you have a solid argument here.

 

[Banger]

I never will understand why the Packers don't want him. Just because he your ### when he was with the Vikes, you don't want him? Don't you want to win more games, or would you rather miss the playoffs more?

Except for the part where Moss doesn't help teams win games, I think you have a solid argument here.

by himself, no but he's much, much better than Jennings at this point.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I never will understand why the Packers don't want him. Just because he your ### when he was with the Vikes, you don't want him? Don't you want to win more games, or would you rather miss the playoffs more?

Except for the part where Moss doesn't help teams win games, I think you have a solid argument here.

by himself, no but he's much, much better than Jennings at this point.

I'm not certain I agree with that.

 

[bostonfred]

I never will understand why the Packers don't want him. Just because he your ### when he was with the Vikes, you don't want him? Don't you want to win more games, or would you rather miss the playoffs more?

Except for the part where Moss doesn't help teams win games, I think you have a solid argument here.

Except for the part where Moss has been on the sucky Raiders and the sucky Vikings, that's a solid rebuttal.

 

[matuski]

he'd be huge with Favre.

These are the insightful posts I come here for.

 

[56]

Has he picked a number yet?

Based on his endzone celebrations last time he was in GB, I bet he goes with number two .

 

[jurb26]

he'd be huge with Favre.

These are the insightful posts I come here for.

:X

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I never will understand why the Packers don't want him. Just because he your ### when he was with the Vikes, you don't want him? :X Don't you want to win more games, or would you rather miss the playoffs more?

Except for the part where Moss doesn't help teams win games, I think you have a solid argument here.

Except for the part where Moss has been on the sucky Raiders and the sucky Vikings, that's a solid rebuttal.

They sucked with him on the roster. Shouldn't he have elevated the play of everyone else if he's such a superstar?He's got a bad back (and I suspect he still has issues with his leg) and a bad attitude and is a shell of his former self. The pursuit of has beens like this where teams hope they can somehow regain the glory years simply by a change in venue is what hurts teams.

So, in short, I hope the Packers get him.

 

[Ozymandias]

The man is a turd.

Sure, a fast turd, but a turd nevertheless.

 

[Chunky Soup]

I never will understand why the Packers don't want him. Just because he <_< your ### when he was with the Vikes, you don't want him? Don't you want to win more games, or would you rather miss the playoffs more?

What are you talking about? I would say the ratio to wanting:not wanting from Packer fans is about 75%:25%.

25% is way too high.

They sucked with him on the roster. Shouldn't he have elevated the play of everyone else if he's such a superstar?

When teams had a DECENT QB throwing the ball, the team's play has been elevated a lot. When he has a DECENT QB he has been remarkable. He hasn't had that in a long time. He hasn't had any kind of supporting cast. Blaming Moss that he couldn't elevate the Raiders play is ridiculous. Blaming Moss that he couldn't elevate the Vikes play when they had major issues is ridiculous. He can play. Hes a great reciever. He doesn't even have that much baggage (like TO) He's a huge upgrade over what they have. He wants to play there and his potential is unbelievable. Why not try? If not, they're almost guaranteed to NOT make the playoffs. If so, they're likely in the playoffs with Favre throwing to him. End of story.

He's got a bad back (and I suspect he still has issues with his leg)

never heard that he will have back/leg problems for the upcoming year? link?

 

[BigRed]

He's got a bad back (and I suspect he still has issues with his leg) and a bad attitude and is a shell of his former self. The pursuit of has beens like this where teams hope they can somehow regain the glory years simply by a change in venue is what hurts teams.

So, in short, I hope the Packers get him.

Don't think I'd go quite that far, but on his unreliability alone (ie attitude not to mention any ? marks on his health) I wouldn't touch that skinny bag o pee with a 10' pole. GB is really sinking low and IMO it's a desperate move from a franchise about to enter a depressing era for fans...but hey, whore out the team all in the name of kissing Favre's butt - again - good idea

 

[Andy Dufresne]

He can play. Hes a great reciever. He doesn't even have that much baggage (like TO) He's a huge upgrade over what they have. He wants to play there and his potential is unbelievable. Why not try? If not, they're almost guaranteed to NOT make the playoffs. If so, they're likely in the playoffs with Favre throwing to him. End of story.

If you don't think that Randy Moss has baggage, there's no reason to continue the discussion.

never heard that he will have back/leg problems for the upcoming year? link?

It's been a recurring issue his entire career. I'm sure this year will be different though.

 

[Challenge Everything]

I never will understand why the Packers don't want him. Just because he your ### when he was with the Vikes, you don't want him? Don't you want to win more games, or would you rather miss the playoffs more?

What are you talking about? I would say the ratio to wanting:not wanting from Packer fans is about 75%:25%.

25% is way too high.

25% = fans not wanting him... did you read that correctly?Your initial statement made it seem like Packernation was against getting Moss.

 

[BigRed]

they're likely in the playoffs with Favre throwing to him. End of story.

....to the defense, you mean.

 

[Chunky Soup]

I never will understand why the Packers don't want him. Just because he your ### when he was with the Vikes, you don't want him? Don't you want to win more games, or would you rather miss the playoffs more?

What are you talking about? I would say the ratio to wanting:not wanting from Packer fans is about 75%:25%.

25% is way too high.

25% = fans not wanting him... did you read that correctly?Your initial statement made it seem like Packernation was against getting Moss.

25% is too high, I think more than 75% should want him on their team. Especially if your team is the Pack.

 

[Chunky Soup]

He can play. Hes a great reciever. He doesn't even have that much baggage (like TO) He's a huge upgrade over what they have. He wants to play there and his potential is unbelievable. Why not try? If not, they're almost guaranteed to NOT make the playoffs. If so, they're likely in the playoffs with Favre throwing to him. End of story.

If you don't think that Randy Moss has baggage, there's no reason to continue the discussion.

I said

He doesn't even have that much baggage (like TO)

Hes better than most give him credit for IMO.

 

[bostonfred]

I never will understand why the Packers don't want him. Just because he your ### when he was with the Vikes, you don't want him? Don't you want to win more games, or would you rather miss the playoffs more?

Except for the part where Moss doesn't help teams win games, I think you have a solid argument here.

Except for the part where Moss has been on the sucky Raiders and the sucky Vikings, that's a solid rebuttal.

They sucked with him on the roster. Shouldn't he have elevated the play of everyone else if he's such a superstar?He's got a bad back (and I suspect he still has issues with his leg) and a bad attitude and is a shell of his former self. The pursuit of has beens like this where teams hope they can somehow regain the glory years simply by a change in venue is what hurts teams.

So, in short, I hope the Packers get him.

If that's the case, then shouldn't the Vikings have gotten better when Moss left? They freed up cap space, and got compensation. But the Vikings, who were 64-48 with Moss, and 17-15 in their last two seasons with him, have been 15-17 without him. And the Raiders, who were 9-23 the two years before they got Moss, can look at a lot more than Moss as an answer for their 6-26 record since. Maybe the problem is that he hasn't had a QB of Favre's calliber...

 

[Andy Dufresne]

He can play. Hes a great reciever. He doesn't even have that much baggage (like TO) He's a huge upgrade over what they have. He wants to play there and his potential is unbelievable. Why not try? If not, they're almost guaranteed to NOT make the playoffs. If so, they're likely in the playoffs with Favre throwing to him. End of story.

If you don't think that Randy Moss has baggage, there's no reason to continue the discussion.

I said

He doesn't even have that much baggage (like TO)

Hes better than most give him credit for IMO.

Well. As long as he's better than TO...

 

[Andy Dufresne]

If that's the case, then shouldn't the Vikings have gotten better when Moss left? They freed up cap space, and got compensation. But the Vikings, who were 64-48 with Moss, and 17-15 in their last two seasons with him, have been 15-17 without him. And the Raiders, who were 9-23 the two years before they got Moss, can look at a lot more than Moss as an answer for their 6-26 record since. Maybe the problem is that he hasn't had a QB of Favre's calliber...

I give up. You're right.

 

[Limp Ditka]

I myself don't like the idea of giving up your best defensive player in KGB .

This is why I keep coming back...yesterday I learned that Kelley Washington is a "premier" WR and now I learn that KGB is the best defensive player for the Packers.:gold:

LAUNCH

Me? I come for the monotony of seeing people signing their name to thier posts when we all know damn well who posted it.

 

[Aaronstory]

I never will understand why the Packers don't want him. Just because he your ### when he was with the Vikes, you don't want him? Don't you want to win more games, or would you rather miss the playoffs more?

Except for the part where Moss doesn't help teams win games, I think you have a solid argument here.

Except for the part where Moss has been on the sucky Raiders and the sucky Vikings, that's a solid rebuttal.

They sucked with him on the roster. Shouldn't he have elevated the play of everyone else if he's such a superstar?He's got a bad back (and I suspect he still has issues with his leg) and a bad attitude and is a shell of his former self. The pursuit of has beens like this where teams hope they can somehow regain the glory years simply by a change in venue is what hurts teams.

So, in short, I hope the Packers get him.

If that's the case, then shouldn't the Vikings have gotten better when Moss left? They freed up cap space, and got compensation. But the Vikings, who were 64-48 with Moss, and 17-15 in their last two seasons with him, have been 15-17 without him. And the Raiders, who were 9-23 the two years before they got Moss, can look at a lot more than Moss as an answer for their 6-26 record since. Maybe the problem is that he hasn't had a QB of Favre's calliber...

This was the downfall for the Vikings, IMO. They didn't get NEAR the value they should have for Moss. At the time, he was considered the most talented WR in the game, and could change any game at any time. They gave that up for a mediocre LB and a 1st round pick that turned out to be a monster bust. That was the beginning of the end for the Vikings. (And of course, I'm ecstatic about it.)

 

[Limp Ditka]

I never will understand why the Packers don't want him. Just because he your ### when he was with the Vikes, you don't want him? Don't you want to win more games, or would you rather miss the playoffs more?

Except for the part where Moss doesn't help teams win games, I think you have a solid argument here.

Except for the part where Moss has been on the sucky Raiders and the sucky Vikings, that's a solid rebuttal.

They sucked with him on the roster. Shouldn't he have elevated the play of everyone else if he's such a superstar?He's got a bad back (and I suspect he still has issues with his leg) and a bad attitude and is a shell of his former self. The pursuit of has beens like this where teams hope they can somehow regain the glory years simply by a change in venue is what hurts teams.

So, in short, I hope the Packers get him.

If that's the case, then shouldn't the Vikings have gotten better when Moss left? They freed up cap space, and got compensation. But the Vikings, who were 64-48 with Moss, and 17-15 in their last two seasons with him, have been 15-17 without him. And the Raiders, who were 9-23 the two years before they got Moss, can look at a lot more than Moss as an answer for their 6-26 record since. Maybe the problem is that he hasn't had a QB of Favre's calliber...

So you're saying Moss hasn't had Rex Grossman throwing to him.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

This was the downfall for the Vikings, IMO. They didn't get NEAR the value they should have for Moss. At the time, he was considered the most talented WR in the game, and could change any game at any time. They gave that up for a mediocre LB and a 1st round pick that turned out to be a monster bust. That was the beginning of the end for the Vikings. (And of course, I'm ecstatic about it.)

Red McCombs, and by proxy Mike Tice, was the beginning of the end for the Vikings. Running it on the cheap for years and they're now reaping the crop sown.Williamson, the player taken with the #7 overall acquired in the Moss trade was a Tice guy. The scouting department didn't like him but Tice did. So we have BigDumb to thank for that one.

 

[MarshallRob]

If that's the case, then shouldn't the Vikings have gotten better when Moss left? They freed up cap space, and got compensation. But the Vikings, who were 64-48 with Moss, and 17-15 in their last two seasons with him, have been 15-17 without him. And the Raiders, who were 9-23 the two years before they got Moss, can look at a lot more than Moss as an answer for their 6-26 record since. Maybe the problem is that he hasn't had a QB of Favre's calliber...

I give up. You're right.

Sometimes he was able to fight 'em off, sometimes not.In my opinion, your point on Moss appears to be the very essence of common sense.

 

[Aaronstory]

This was the downfall for the Vikings, IMO. They didn't get NEAR the value they should have for Moss. At the time, he was considered the most talented WR in the game, and could change any game at any time. They gave that up for a mediocre LB and a 1st round pick that turned out to be a monster bust. That was the beginning of the end for the Vikings. (And of course, I'm ecstatic about it.)

Red McCombs, and by proxy Mike Tice, was the beginning of the end for the Vikings. Running it on the cheap for years and they're now reaping the crop sown.Williamson, the player taken with the #7 overall acquired in the Moss trade was a Tice guy. The scouting department didn't like him but Tice did. So we have BigDumb to thank for that one.

Yeah, McCombs pretty much ruined that franchise. And the jury is still out on Wilf.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I think being a Vikings fan is getting in the way of reason. In reality, I expect Vikings fans to be pissed at Moss. I also expect also for Vikings fans to not want Moss on the Packers because he'll moon their crowd when he scores 3 TDs in his first game there.

Substitued Kerry Collins in for Brett Favre and you'll find quotations by Raiders fans saying THE EXACT SAME THING two years ago. It's called delusions of grandeur - (psychology) an erroneous belief that is held in the face of evidence to the contrary.

 

[Aaronstory]

I think being a Vikings fan is getting in the way of reason. In reality, I expect Vikings fans to be pissed at Moss. I also expect also for Vikings fans to not want Moss on the Packers because he'll moon their crowd when he scores 3 TDs in his first game there.

Substitued Kerry Collins in for Brett Favre and you'll find quotations by Raiders fans saying THE EXACT SAME THING two years ago. It's called delusions of grandeur - (psychology) an erroneous belief that is held in the face of evidence to the contrary.

No, comparing Kerry Collins to Brett Favre is delusional.I mean, I agree with your general point, but even a rabid Vikes homer has to admit that Favre has a bit better chance of making something out of Moss' talents than Kerry Collins did.

 

[Chunky Soup]

I think being a Vikings fan is getting in the way of reason. In reality, I expect Vikings fans to be pissed at Moss. I also expect also for Vikings fans to not want Moss on the Packers because he'll moon their crowd when he scores 3 TDs in his first game there.

Substitued Kerry Collins in for Brett Favre and you'll find quotations by Raiders fans saying THE EXACT SAME THING two years ago. It's called delusions of grandeur - (psychology) an erroneous belief that is held in the face of evidence to the contrary.

Problems: (1) Packers >>> Raiders--Pack on brink of playoffs and this puts them in.(2) Favre >>> Collins--No comment necc.Its called You're pissed because you don't have Moss on your team.

 

[Blackjacks]

I can see both sides here for people, especially Packers' fans. Some want him for what they remember him as and they think he could improve their team. Others also remember him and the headaches that will come along with him. Which answer is right? Who knows, all I know is as a dynasty owner of Moss I think he would be a nice option to have in GB with Favre (who I think could keep Randy kept in check personally). I do agree with Andy Dufrene's thoughts of him not being the same player he use to be but that doesn't mean he still could,t be any good. Moss came into the league with talent 2nd to none. By saying he isn't still at that level I can agree with, I'm just not ready to say he is worthless yet. You put him on a good team with a good signal caller and a good oline and we'll see. I hope to see something happen here. This puts alot of pressure on 2nd year coach McCarth as well. I wonder if he is up to babysitting Moss in only his 2nd year as head coach in the NFL.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I think being a Vikings fan is getting in the way of reason. In reality, I expect Vikings fans to be pissed at Moss. I also expect also for Vikings fans to not want Moss on the Packers because he'll moon their crowd when he scores 3 TDs in his first game there.

Substitued Kerry Collins in for Brett Favre and you'll find quotations by Raiders fans saying THE EXACT SAME THING two years ago. It's called delusions of grandeur - (psychology) an erroneous belief that is held in the face of evidence to the contrary.

No, comparing Kerry Collins to Brett Favre is delusional.I mean, I agree with your general point, but even a rabid Vikes homer has to admit that Favre has a bit better chance of making something out of Moss' talents than Kerry Collins did.

I'm not comparing the QB's, I'm comparing the fans' expected results.And I think people's expectations of Collins to Moss were at least as optomistic as those of Favre to Moss.

 

[Blackjacks]

I think being a Vikings fan is getting in the way of reason. In reality, I expect Vikings fans to be pissed at Moss. I also expect also for Vikings fans to not want Moss on the Packers because he'll moon their crowd when he scores 3 TDs in his first game there.

Substitued Kerry Collins in for Brett Favre and you'll find quotations by Raiders fans saying THE EXACT SAME THING two years ago. It's called delusions of grandeur - (psychology) an erroneous belief that is held in the face of evidence to the contrary.

No, comparing Kerry Collins to Brett Favre is delusional.I mean, I agree with your general point, but even a rabid Vikes homer has to admit that Favre has a bit better chance of making something out of Moss' talents than Kerry Collins did.

I'm not comparing the QB's, I'm comparing the fans' expected results.And I think people's expectations of Collins to Moss were at least as optomistic as those of Favre to Moss.

I can't agree with you. When he went out to Oakland to play with Collins I wanted nothing to do with him.Put him with Favre and I'd be all over him.

 

[sho nuff]

I myself don't like the idea of giving up your best defensive player in KGB or for that matter Williams either for a question mark in the offense. From what I get out of the article is the sentiment is "no-Moss", Harlan seems to echo this sentiment too. It looks like today we will get a better idea for the Packer men in charge are meeting on this~Stay Tuned....

Best defensive player?Barnett, Hawk, Harris are not in consideration here.KGB is not close to the best defensive player and is in danger of being cut for his high salary anyway.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I can't agree with you. When he went out to Oakland to play with Collins I wanted nothing to do with him.Put him with Favre and I'd be all over him.

You're in the minority. People salivated over Collins strong arm throwing the deep pass to Moss all day long like the Al Davis offenses of old.

 

[sho nuff]

I think being a Vikings fan is getting in the way of reason. In reality, I expect Vikings fans to be pissed at Moss. I also expect also for Vikings fans to not want Moss on the Packers because he'll moon their crowd when he scores 3 TDs in his first game there.

Substitued Kerry Collins in for Brett Favre and you'll find quotations by Raiders fans saying THE EXACT SAME THING two years ago. It's called delusions of grandeur - (psychology) an erroneous belief that is held in the face of evidence to the contrary.

No, comparing Kerry Collins to Brett Favre is delusional.I mean, I agree with your general point, but even a rabid Vikes homer has to admit that Favre has a bit better chance of making something out of Moss' talents than Kerry Collins did.

I'm not comparing the QB's, I'm comparing the fans' expected results.And I think people's expectations of Collins to Moss were at least as optomistic as those of Favre to Moss.

My expectations of him if the trade goes down...a solid #2 to Driver with Jennings being a good #3 guy.Moss helps stretch the field a bit to open things up for Driver. Catches the big bomb from time to time...thats all I want out out him.