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Another paralel to Green (not that it matters) - Green fumbled early in his career because of 'sweaty arms'Tiki Barber was a fumble as well until Coughlin corrected the issue. Fumbling can sometimes be corrected.And Block was correct in the interpretation of my earlier post above.
Green also fumbles because he refused to learn to shift the ball to the outside arm. In viewing the video on Jackson, it appears that he tends to carry the ball in his left arm the vast majority of the time as well.
From what I've heard about the Packer OTAs, Wynn has really been impressing and at 5'11' 230 he could be pretty imposing. I think he wins out the third spot ahead of Herron. I really hope they keep Wynn as a RB and don't try to convert him to FB. That would be a mistake with the speed he has. I don't think he'll ever be a starter, but I think he'll be a great #3 for the Packers.
That is a pretty rare occurrence, and is unlikely in this case.
Herron is a pretty good third-down back though; he's young, can catch, and can block.If Wynn impresses the Packers could keep all 4; if he doesnt, Wynn is probably a practice squad guy.
Can you support this contention? There are many recent examples of RBBC situations that have emerged because no single player has sufficient talent to justify a full-time job. Houston and Denver last year come to mind. Baltimore, Minnesota and San Francisco the year before, etc.
Thanks for setting me straight - what I really meant to say was "I was shocked when I saw they did not end up with him " (I was in Mexico big game fishing during the NFL draft). Every predraft board I saw seemed to show Lynch going to the Packers one way or another. I was just as excited last year when the Texans passed up on Reggie Bush. I thought for sure that meant Domanick Davis was going to be healthy and that Morency would be ready if Davis had any problems. We all know how that turned out.
I belive the odds are very low that Jackson starts the season as RB1 in Green Bay: it will be Morency. That is why they went out and got him. TT already knew it unlikely Green would be returning. I have a hard time recalling GB ever going into the season with a rookie running back as starter....
Well, to me, a RBBC happens when there are two or more backs on a team who consistently receive carries and consistently take away carries from the other. The best example I can recall of a true RBBC is Dallas currently, with Julius Jones and Marion Barber. Both will receive significant carries in every game, and take carries away from the other.The RBBC you refer to are different. In Houston last year, for example, there were definite starters at different points during the season who were switched around due to ineffectiveness. While Lundy, Dayne, Gado, etc all received some carries and yards, they got them in clusters of games and did very little in others. This is not really RBBC.Denver last year was more of a RBBC, but the Denver RB situation is weird, honestly. I don't feel good comparing that to anything else.The main reason why I don't think this will be a RBBC is the history of good production from Packer RBs. Edgar Bennett and Dorsey Levens really weren't very good, but they both produced at a decent level in Green Bay. Ahman Green is clearly a talented guy, and he also produced. Looking at backups of recent years, Najeh Davenport, Tony Fisher, Samkon Gado, and now Morency have all produced in this offense with Favre at QB.I don't see any reason why that trend cannot continue for at least another year with Favre at the helm. My prediction is that whoever is the starter to begin the season will do well and hold on to the job, and I think that guy will most likely be Morency.
I agree I don't see either of these guys being the man. I see each of them getting 10 - 15 touches per game tops. Oh and Herron sucks. After the Rams game in which he had 100 yards rushing he only carried the ball 13 times the rest of the entire season. Looking at the numbers he put up in that game you'd think he would have had more than that over the last 11 games but McCarthy was very critical of him, felt he was slow to the hole, picked the wrong hole and that he just left alot of yards on the field.
Agility is in Morency's favor; Jackson is a straight ahead guy. I'd also put Vision in Morency's category because of the experience he has. Ball security is probably even, as both have had fumbling problems. Hands, I agree is Jackson, but only slightly.An important thing you forgot to touch on is injury history. Jackson has had surgeries on both shoulders and has had some knee issue since being drafted. Morency had a back bruise last year and missed a game, but other than that has been healthy in college and the pros.Jackson was drafted in an area of the NFL draft where a roster spot is assured, but a major role isn't. He isn't going to be handed anything. So, since Morency is on the top of the depth chart currently and the coaches seem to have high hopes for him, why should we assume Jackson will start?
Jackson may be capable of winning the job (I think that would be the case if he starts, rather than Morency losing it), but he hasn't yet. That's my main point here.I don't think there is much talent disparity at all here. Morency is every bit as capable as Jackson, if not moreso.
quick and easy translation:Benson owns bjax, so he must be the starter. End of discussion.
Agree with the point that he (Jackson) may not be special, but I do think that he can be productive. In watching the highlight video, one thing that does impress me is that this guy makes decisive, sharp, cuts once he sees the opening, which is ideal for the zone-blocking scheme. Honestly, I don't think that any of the Denver RBs under Shanny have been special, yes, T.D. included, but many were productive, some very much so. Portis was probably the most talented, in that I believe he can flourish in any system, not just zone-blocking. But back to the point, I think that Jackson can have a few seasons as good as Domanick Davis and Chester Taylor, he sort of runs like each of those guys. With good vision, hands, and decision-making, I think he will be just fine if he holds up physically. My take is that Morencey initially starts, but doesn't do a whole lot, and by Weeks 4-6, Jackson will get an opportunity and do more with it than Morencey. Is he the long-term solution, maybe not, but a pretty good 2-3 year run is not out of the question, just don't expect this B.Jackson to be like another B.Jackson, as in Bo.........who would have made many of his comtemporaries an afterthought had he not gotten injured........
Nice video to watch. What sticks out to me, Brandon Jackson can't make these college guys miss completely. He has a slight cutting ability that keeps him going forward with contact every time. NFL speed is going to eat this guy up.
oh lord, can anyone have a discussion on this board without someone invoking the "you're only saying that because you own him" argument?Maybe Joe should add this to the "Please Read - Shark Pool Notes" thread that's pinned up top...
You forgot this
ass protection=?Whoever does this well will get more carries. That will be a huge factor in playing time. I would also add that your point about milege is probably irrelavent at this stage. One could argue that really mean experience in favor of Morency.tease
I wholeheartedly disagree. I saw something very special there - great technique and instincts. I don't think Jackson's a future hall of famer or anything, but his QB is so that's not as important.He runs with his shoulders square (ish) to the line, has good acceleration through the hole, and follows his blockers very well. He's aware of his limitations (most notably speed) and doesn't go down easy - he's willing to punish the defender.
Well, that doesn't really tell us anything, except that Herron won't be involved much, which we already knew :( .
we're getting someone from Packer Chatters on sometime as well, perhaps they'll elaborate more.
Well, that doesn't really tell us anything, except that Herron won't be involved much, which we already knew.
sorry Cecil but Brent Fullwood.
That, and he has horrible pad level on most of those runs. Talk about asking for injury in the NFL...
Jackson will be a starter one day, just not sure it's this season. But he has starting ability.
His pad level isn't great, but it's not bad. His worst trait right now is ball protection. He doesn't switch arms very well which makes him fumble prone. He needs to fix that.
Aka Brent Fumblewood. Aaron - remember his rookie year? Pre-season game, in as a kick returner, and he takes one to the house.....wait, he fumbles as he nears the goalline....
How could I ever forget. His first professional game. All that promise. I was jumping up and down on our couch when it looked like he was going to score. And then...
Actually, there's one run in there where he does switch, textbook style (run wide right, switches to outside arm) but overall you're right. But it didn't seem to hurt Ahman too much when he was in his prime...
"Nebraska running backs coach Randy Jordan elaborated."He started out as our third-down back because we used so many backs," said Jordan. "We had a short-yardage guy, someone else who could catch passes. He could do all of those things. What separated this kid was he protected the passer."Nebraska uses the West Coast system, just like Green Bay. Nebraska's offensive line uses zone blocking, just like Green Bay. Nebraska expects its running backs to block on passing downs, to pick up the blitz and protect the quarterback, just like Green Bay."Nebraska was very focused on blocking," said Jackson. "In our system, our coaches say if you don't block you don't play. Every day we would have blocking drills maybe two times a practice. I'm no stranger to blocking."Jordan said Jackson became very comfortable running behind the zone blocking scheme as well. He averaged 5.3 yards per carry."We try to stretch the play, create lanes for the running back," said Jordan. "Brandon does it very very well. You have, really, a minimal cut, minimal decision; you put your foot on the ground and kind of find a lane."(Zone blocking) is really, really good for a back like him who's quick, decisive - he's physical. That's one thing the Packers are really going to be pleased with."Jordan said Jackson was also very coachable, working on his weaknesses."He's not going to be like a lot of players and just work on what he likes," said Jordan. "When he first got here, he didn't like pass protection, but I challenged him. 'If you want to get on the field, pass protect, show me.' He stayed after practice and worked. He watched extra film on linebackers, became a pretty good blocker."Jackson also had good hands and caught 33 passes for 313 yards, with just a couple of drops all year.With the Packers, Jackson is in a situation similar to the one in which he found himself in Lincoln. Green is gone to Houston. Vernand Morency, Noah Herron, P.J. Pope, Arliss Beach and fellow rookie draft pick DeShawn Wynn are all vying for the starting running back spot with Jackson."It's very similar," Jackson admitted. But that's all he'll say. He won't get caught up in any other names or even admit he has the opportunity here some backs wait a lifetime to get - to be the guy."I'm really not paying attention to that right now. I'm just trying to get familiar with the playbook," said Jackson. "You've got to get in to the playbook first before you can get out on the field and run these plays before you even have a chance to start."
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