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[T Bell]

Source: Cowboys determine Pacman scuffle didn't break rulesBy Chris MortensenESPN.com(Archive)Updated: October 9, 2008An internal investigation by the Dallas Cowboys into Adam "Pacman" Jones' latest incident concludes that he was not in violation of his contract, or the understanding about conduct he had with owner Jerry Jones, a high-ranking team official said. The team plans no disciplinary action, the source said. An independent investigation by NFL security is underway but has not yet presented a report to commissioner Roger Goodell. According to an investigation conducted by team security, the team official said Jones did get into a brief scuffle with the bodyguard that was assigned to the defensive back for a private event Tuesday night at a Dallas hotel. The bodyguard, an off-duty policeman who is part of a security detail assigned to Jones, told team security that some "kidding around" and "playfulness" between himself and the player resulted in a brief scuffle in a restroom. A vanity mirror suffered minor damage. The incident happened shortly after 11 p.m. A team official said the incident happened shortly happened after 11 p.m., although it has been reported that police were not called until 1:30 a.m. Police determined that the incident did not merit any charges. Jones and his bodyguard, along with Jones' girlfriend and cousin, left the event together before midnight. The head of security for the Cowboys delivered his findings to Jerry Jones, whom sources say is content that the incident has been overblown. However, the owner has reminded Pacman that his reputation and prior incidents place him under the highest scrutiny. The NFL had no comment as of Thursday morning.

Great post Bankerguy. I know you are better then what you were dragged into. Some posters just look for the fights and it is very hard to get out of them. Anyways this looks like it was over blown. Not a big surprise looks like Pacman will be ok but Goodel will make that final decision. Pac has got to stop drinking period!!

Can we all agree now that what comes out of the mouth of Jerry Jones as to his own players and their alleged misconduct (and their own, team-supplied baby-sitters) isn't worth anything?

 

[heidbrink]

There's too much "testosterone" in the NFL world to judge this without knowing if these guys were buddies or not. Every team's training camp probably had a fight or two or three. Finnegan and Bulluck just had a brief skirmish and they're friends again.

He wasn't a "buddy", he was an off-duty cop hired by the team to "babysit" Jones. Apparently, the babysitter said something to or about Jones girl and Jones went at him in a bathroom.

yeah but don't they spend a ton of time together night and day where becoming friendly is probably expected?Another Q, is this what was expected when the security guards signed up for the job or when the NFL reinstated him agreeing to this security presence?

I'm going to venture a guess and say that a police officer hired to babysit a thug like pacman didn't form a bond with him.

I'm going to further say it's likely that the esteemed off-duty officer may well have deserved a knuckle sandwich. Saying stuff about a guy's woman is just not cool. Nevertheless he's prolly a gonner. And they say chivalry is dead!

 

[T Bell]

There's too much "testosterone" in the NFL world to judge this without knowing if these guys were buddies or not. Every team's training camp probably had a fight or two or three. Finnegan and Bulluck just had a brief skirmish and they're friends again.

He wasn't a "buddy", he was an off-duty cop hired by the team to "babysit" Jones. Apparently, the babysitter said something to or about Jones girl and Jones went at him in a bathroom.

yeah but don't they spend a ton of time together night and day where becoming friendly is probably expected?Another Q, is this what was expected when the security guards signed up for the job or when the NFL reinstated him agreeing to this security presence?

I'm going to venture a guess and say that a police officer hired to babysit a thug like pacman didn't form a bond with him.

I'm going to further say it's likely that the esteemed off-duty officer may well have deserved a knuckle sandwich. Saying stuff about a guy's woman is just not cool. Nevertheless he's prolly a gonner. And they say chivalry is dead!

What are you supposing he said? Are you assuming he called her a "Whore" or something? I could see a moron thug like PacMan taking exception if the guy's just doing his job and says something like, "Hey Adam, we ought to get out of here. She's drunk and bringing attention to us."

 

[T Bell]

Ya, I know. It took me three pages in before showing up but it's been a hectic day. I also wanted to wait until I could gather some "facts."It looks like Bankerguy pretty much has everybody straightened out on this, but I've got a little more to add.First of all, as to Dallas imposing penalty with the hopes that Goodell would find it sufficient enough. No. With what occurred, it simply wasn't warranted or necessary. If they had, it would have only put the incident itself in a worse light.With what I gathered from Jerry Jones's press conference, he deems this as no more or no less than what the press release stated. These bodyguards, of which some are indeed off-duty police officers, have spent countless hours with Adam over the last several months. With that, friendships, relationships, whatever, evolve from that. These guys were bantering about, much like friends do, or even some of us here in the Pool, and it got physical for a brief moment. The only people present during the altercation were Adam, Tommy (the bodyguard), Tish (Adam's girlfriend), and Adam's uncle (or cousin, as the press release stated). It was shortly after eleven, and at this point they simply went to their car and left to go home. Adam wasn't staying in the hotel. He did in fact go to his home in Prosper, just north of Dallas. He lives up there in the same neighborhood as Deion Sanders. To look at a map, Prosper is located here in relation to Dallas. Prosper is very small, where the number of cattle probably outnumber the residents. There's really nothing there. Deion spends his free time up there in a simple little cafe'. A true "cafe'," not a tavern.ProsperFriscoPlanoDallasAdam has to gain Jerry's approval for any and all activities outside of the team. This was an exclusive, invitation only, private party for a CD release of the rapper "Ludicrous." There was a number of celebrities there from all walks, as well as teammates, including Tank Johnson. Jerry had approved of his partaking (because it was private. He does not want or allow him in any "public" environment). Jerry said that Adam has not taken exception to any of his "rulings" as to what Adam can and cannot do. Jerry also said that Roger Goodell has given Jerry a great deal of discretion as to the handling of Adam, and has shown his trust and faith in him in doing such. I really don't see anything coming of this. It has been, in fact, overblown. The leering press just jumped all over this as you would suspect, but with very little to come away with.As to what provoked the whole thing I can't be sure, and Jerry couldn't (or wouldn't) put his finger on it either. However, I did hear that Tommy made a remark about Tish that Adam took exception to.That's all I've got, in a nutshell.ETA: By the way, Tank Johnson gave Calvin Watkins (Dallas Morning News) a piece of his mind in the locker room for his twist on this story. Watkins had asked him if he had a problem with one of his teammates acting out in such a way, and Tank told him flatout "no, I have a problem with the way you covered this story." Pretty funny. Watkins continued on, and Tank, in so many words, pretty much shut him down. Watkins has pretty much lost his "in's" in the Dallas locker room. This is something that has been developing, and Watkins' pieces of late have reflected such. Not a real popular guy these days with the Cowboys.

With what I gathered from Jerry Jones's press conference, he deems . . .

Uh huh . . .

I think I'll have another cup.

 

[BigJim®]

(1) at Jerry Jones and his obvious attempts to depict this situation as a non-event if the NFL concluded (according to Mortenson) that is was drinking related fight basically mirroring the initial report. Way to take the high road and display your stance on player accountability Jerry!

(2) How the heck did the Titans agree to pay the Cowboys a 5th round pick if Pac Man had any transgression? Aside from being a bad bet to make based on their own inability to keep Pac Man under control, who ever heard of trading a player and possibly being required to pay the other team to take him under any circumstances? That's just crazy. How were they not better off just releasing him? Someone in Titans headquarters needs to go to gamblers anonymous for taking that bet.

 

[T Bell]

(1) at Jerry Jones and his obvious attempts to depict this situation as a non-event if the NFL concluded (according to Mortenson) that is was drinking related fight basically mirroring the initial report. Way to take the high road and display your stance on player accountability Jerry!(2) How the heck did the Titans agree to pay the Cowboys a 5th round pick if Pac Man had any transgression? Aside from being a bad bet to make based on their own inability to keep Pac Man under control, who ever heard of trading a player and possibly being required to pay the other team to take him under any circumstances? That's just crazy. How were they not better off just releasing him? Someone in Titans headquarters needs to go to gamblers anonymous for taking that bet.

The Titans were desperate to get anything for him in trade as they were going to cut him anyway, and only one team was offering anything. The Cowboys worked the deal so that the more they got out of PacMan for the season, the more they'd give up in trade to the Titans. From the Titans standpoint, their worst case scenario (which is what happened here) is that they swapped their 5th rounder for a 4th rounder. They were hoping for more, but for a team that was going to cut him, that's not bad. The question for me is why did Jerry Jones bother to trade for him in the first place when he knew he was going to be cut by the Titans (even ignoring his personal problems)?

 

[T Bell]

Ya know whatever facts you throw out there Andy there will be almost nobody who will accept them' . One because of Pacman's past and with good reason and two because people just want to say I told ya so. I am not totally not sold on this story yet but I am willing to wait and see if anything of substance against Pacman comes out before I say off with his head. WOW

I hear ya Mustang. Some people prefer to bring their shovel to dig as opposed to patience for whatever truth may or may not come out. I don't exonerate or wish to defend Pacman in any way, although I do have the common sense as to not to jump all over the first word in press print that comes out. Some of us are smarter than that, aren't we. I come in and douse the flames and the next thing you know people are taking shots at me. No story here!

 

[Giantseasonticketholder]

Midnight Run II: The Adam Jones story.

 

[Angus82]

Pacman's response to his suspension, I are a dummy.

 

[Tom Servo]

Ya know whatever facts you throw out there Andy there will be almost nobody who will accept them' . One because of Pacman's past and with good reason and two because people just want to say I told ya so. I am not totally not sold on this story yet but I am willing to wait and see if anything of substance against Pacman comes out before I say off with his head. WOW

I hear ya Mustang. Some people prefer to bring their shovel to dig as opposed to patience for whatever truth may or may not come out. I don't exonerate or wish to defend Pacman in any way, although I do have the common sense as to not to jump all over the first word in press print that comes out. Some of us are smarter than that, aren't we. I come in and douse the flames and the next thing you know people are taking shots at me. No story here!

Yup, none at all...

 

[Bri]

I'd like to hear the whole story now

Clearly I'm surprised at the long suspension and was wrong previously

 

[fatness]

I really don't see anything coming of this. It has been, in fact, overblown. The leering press just jumped all over this as you would suspect, but with very little to come away with.

The leering commissioner just jumped all over this, too. Maybe you need to tell him it's overblown.

 

[Broadway Joe]

I really don't see anything coming of this. It has been, in fact, overblown. The leering press just jumped all over this as you would suspect, but with very little to come away with.

The leering commissioner just jumped all over this, too. Maybe you need to tell him it's overblown.

Hope there is enough crow to go around

 

[3C's]

left without paying his tab. sounds about like pacman.If true (not the tab part, but the fight), this guy is done.

Maybe I was wrong.

 

[T Bell]

I really don't see anything coming of this. It has been, in fact, overblown. The leering press just jumped all over this as you would suspect, but with very little to come away with.

The leering commissioner just jumped all over this, too. Maybe you need to tell him it's overblown.

Hope there is enough crow to go around

Nobody seems to be showing up to eat it. It's particularly funny to me that Mustang Man and Andy Herron are nowhere to be found after last week's lectures about how dumb and out of touch we all were.

 

[Mustang Man]

Ya know whatever facts you throw out there Andy there will be almost nobody who will accept them' . One because of Pacman's past and with good reason and two because people just want to say I told ya so. I am not totally not sold on this story yet but I am willing to wait and see if anything of substance against Pacman comes out before I say off with his head. WOW

I hear ya Mustang. Some people prefer to bring their shovel to dig as opposed to patience for whatever truth may or may not come out. I don't exonerate or wish to defend Pacman in any way, although I do have the common sense as to not to jump all over the first word in press print that comes out. Some of us are smarter than that, aren't we. I come in and douse the flames and the next thing you know people are taking shots at me. No story here!

Yup, none at all...

Looks to me that all I said was I wanted to wait and see what happened before I said off with his head and you have to much time on your hands to go back through countless pages to say I told you so. Just move on Dallas has example, Roy Williams trade. This is old news and Dallas aint giving up boys and losing Pacman they already prepared for when the deal was made to get him.

 

[T Bell]

Ya know whatever facts you throw out there Andy there will be almost nobody who will accept them' . One because of Pacman's past and with good reason and two because people just want to say I told ya so. I am not totally not sold on this story yet but I am willing to wait and see if anything of substance against Pacman comes out before I say off with his head. WOW

I hear ya Mustang. Some people prefer to bring their shovel to dig as opposed to patience for whatever truth may or may not come out. I don't exonerate or wish to defend Pacman in any way, although I do have the common sense as to not to jump all over the first word in press print that comes out. Some of us are smarter than that, aren't we. I come in and douse the flames and the next thing you know people are taking shots at me.

No story here!

Yup, none at all...

Looks to me that all I said was I wanted to wait and see what happened before I said off with his head and you have to much time on your hands to go back through countless pages to say I told you so. Just move on Dallas has example, Roy Williams trade. This is old news and Dallas aint giving up boys and losing Pacman they already prepared for when the deal was made to get him.

Sure thing, Bob!

 

[sho nuff]

Ya know whatever facts you throw out there Andy there will be almost nobody who will accept them' . One because of Pacman's past and with good reason and two because people just want to say I told ya so. I am not totally not sold on this story yet but I am willing to wait and see if anything of substance against Pacman comes out before I say off with his head. WOW

I hear ya Mustang. Some people prefer to bring their shovel to dig as opposed to patience for whatever truth may or may not come out. I don't exonerate or wish to defend Pacman in any way, although I do have the common sense as to not to jump all over the first word in press print that comes out. Some of us are smarter than that, aren't we. I come in and douse the flames and the next thing you know people are taking shots at me. No story here!

Yup, none at all...

Looks to me that all I said was I wanted to wait and see what happened before I said off with his head and you have to much time on your hands to go back through countless pages to say I told you so. Just move on Dallas has example, Roy Williams trade. This is old news and Dallas aint giving up boys and losing Pacman they already prepared for when the deal was made to get him.

Umm...over and over you and others kept acting as if it was no big deal.That others were just coming in to pick fights.

 

[BigJim®]

Nice Sports Center tease just on:

<Stuart Scott> "Should Adam Jones be banned from the NFL.... FOREVER?!? Sports Center is coming right up..."

Seriously ESPN...

 

[Mustang Man]

Ya know whatever facts you throw out there Andy there will be almost nobody who will accept them' . One because of Pacman's past and with good reason and two because people just want to say I told ya so. I am not totally not sold on this story yet but I am willing to wait and see if anything of substance against Pacman comes out before I say off with his head. WOW

I hear ya Mustang. Some people prefer to bring their shovel to dig as opposed to patience for whatever truth may or may not come out. I don't exonerate or wish to defend Pacman in any way, although I do have the common sense as to not to jump all over the first word in press print that comes out. Some of us are smarter than that, aren't we. I come in and douse the flames and the next thing you know people are taking shots at me. No story here!

Yup, none at all...

Looks to me that all I said was I wanted to wait and see what happened before I said off with his head and you have to much time on your hands to go back through countless pages to say I told you so. Just move on Dallas has example, Roy Williams trade. This is old news and Dallas aint giving up boys and losing Pacman they already prepared for when the deal was made to get him.

Umm...over and over you and others kept acting as if it was no big deal.That others were just coming in to pick fights.

You were and still are. All I am saying is this, it did not seem like much went down and everyone and their mother thought the worst without the facts. What we did not know for sure was if alcohol was involved. that was a big reason he was suspended. End of story....really its over Tatum chill I love you man

 

[T Bell]

Nice Sports Center tease just on:<Stewart Scott> "Should Adam Jones be banned from the NFL.... FOREVER?!? Sports Center is coming right up..."Seriously ESPN...

ESPN is a bunch of whores, but they're simply one example of what you sign on for when your team decides to take on baggage like PacMan Jones in order to win.

 

[sho nuff]

Ya know whatever facts you throw out there Andy there will be almost nobody who will accept them' . One because of Pacman's past and with good reason and two because people just want to say I told ya so. I am not totally not sold on this story yet but I am willing to wait and see if anything of substance against Pacman comes out before I say off with his head. WOW

I hear ya Mustang. Some people prefer to bring their shovel to dig as opposed to patience for whatever truth may or may not come out. I don't exonerate or wish to defend Pacman in any way, although I do have the common sense as to not to jump all over the first word in press print that comes out. Some of us are smarter than that, aren't we. I come in and douse the flames and the next thing you know people are taking shots at me. No story here!

Yup, none at all...

Looks to me that all I said was I wanted to wait and see what happened before I said off with his head and you have to much time on your hands to go back through countless pages to say I told you so. Just move on Dallas has example, Roy Williams trade. This is old news and Dallas aint giving up boys and losing Pacman they already prepared for when the deal was made to get him.

Umm...over and over you and others kept acting as if it was no big deal.That others were just coming in to pick fights.

You were and still are. All I am saying is this, it did not seem like much went down and everyone and their mother thought the worst without the facts. What we did not know for sure was if alcohol was involved. that was a big reason he was suspended. End of story....really its over Tatum chill I love you man

I most certainly was not.I was discussing the topic and commenting on what was being reported about the guy. Not trying to sweep it under the rug and calling it nothing.The problem was...you and others took what Jerry Jones said as some sort of fact...and they simply were not.Trying to pick fights now? Nope...just seeing through your BS and calling you on it.

 

[T Bell]

Looks to me that all I said was I wanted to wait and see what happened before I said off with his head and you have to much time on your hands to go back through countless pages to say I told you so. Just move on Dallas has example, Roy Williams trade. This is old news and Dallas aint giving up boys and losing Pacman they already prepared for when the deal was made to get him.

Umm...over and over you and others kept acting as if it was no big deal.That others were just coming in to pick fights.

You were and still are. All I am saying is this, it did not seem like much went down and everyone and their mother thought the worst without the facts. What we did not know for sure was if alcohol was involved. that was a big reason he was suspended. End of story....really its over Tatum chill I love you man

Nope, you were convinced that alcohol was the problem, and Bankerguy (a Cowboys fan I greatly respect) was even moreso. You never bashed him for saying that flat out, and in fact you all but agreed with him:

That is the problem dude. When he drinks he has wild mood swings. I have friends that act crazy when they drink (not as bad a Pacman). Believe me the alcohol is he problem with this guy and the people he hung out with in the past also. That had nothing to do with this incident though (people of the past) so the one factor that is still there is the alcohol. Why Dallas did not put in his contract he could not drink is beyond me. They should cut ties with him cause they can't tell him to stop drinking and I am sure he won't cause if he did then it would not be a problem of his. What do you think the problem is if it is not alcohol? Please do not say he is just a bad guy cause that is lame? Again I am not giving him a crutch with this drinking problem I think he needs to go but to me that is the problem without question.

Hey, at least you're back here in this thread (albeit with my prodding). Andy's pretending to ignore this thread while he blows sunshine up everyone's posteriors about the Roy Williams trade.

 

[Mustang Man]

Looks to me that all I said was I wanted to wait and see what happened before I said off with his head and you have to much time on your hands to go back through countless pages to say I told you so. Just move on Dallas has example, Roy Williams trade. This is old news and Dallas aint giving up boys and losing Pacman they already prepared for when the deal was made to get him.

Umm...over and over you and others kept acting as if it was no big deal.That others were just coming in to pick fights.

You were and still are. All I am saying is this, it did not seem like much went down and everyone and their mother thought the worst without the facts. What we did not know for sure was if alcohol was involved. that was a big reason he was suspended. End of story....really its over Tatum chill I love you man

Nope, you were convinced that alcohol was the problem, and Bankerguy (a Cowboys fan I greatly respect) was even moreso. You never bashed him for saying that flat out, and in fact you all but agreed with him:

That is the problem dude. When he drinks he has wild mood swings. I have friends that act crazy when they drink (not as bad a Pacman). Believe me the alcohol is he problem with this guy and the people he hung out with in the past also. That had nothing to do with this incident though (people of the past) so the one factor that is still there is the alcohol. Why Dallas did not put in his contract he could not drink is beyond me. They should cut ties with him cause they can't tell him to stop drinking and I am sure he won't cause if he did then it would not be a problem of his. What do you think the problem is if it is not alcohol? Please do not say he is just a bad guy cause that is lame? Again I am not giving him a crutch with this drinking problem I think he needs to go but to me that is the problem without question.

Hey, at least you're back here in this thread (albeit with my prodding). Andy's pretending to ignore this thread while he blows sunshine up everyone's posteriors about the Roy Williams trade.

Hey really Andy is a good poster and brings a ton of good info to this forum so lay off him. Nobody can be hear 24 hours a day to come back to thread that is old news and should be over. The only reason I am hear so much is I am outa work injured.

 

[Mustang Man]

Looks to me that all I said was I wanted to wait and see what happened before I said off with his head and you have to much time on your hands to go back through countless pages to say I told you so. Just move on Dallas has example, Roy Williams trade. This is old news and Dallas aint giving up boys and losing Pacman they already prepared for when the deal was made to get him.

Umm...over and over you and others kept acting as if it was no big deal.That others were just coming in to pick fights.

You were and still are. All I am saying is this, it did not seem like much went down and everyone and their mother thought the worst without the facts. What we did not know for sure was if alcohol was involved. that was a big reason he was suspended. End of story....really its over Tatum chill I love you man

Nope, you were convinced that alcohol was the problem, and Bankerguy (a Cowboys fan I greatly respect) was even moreso. You never bashed him for saying that flat out, and in fact you all but agreed with him:

That is the problem dude. When he drinks he has wild mood swings. I have friends that act crazy when they drink (not as bad a Pacman). Believe me the alcohol is he problem with this guy and the people he hung out with in the past also. That had nothing to do with this incident though (people of the past) so the one factor that is still there is the alcohol. Why Dallas did not put in his contract he could not drink is beyond me. They should cut ties with him cause they can't tell him to stop drinking and I am sure he won't cause if he did then it would not be a problem of his. What do you think the problem is if it is not alcohol? Please do not say he is just a bad guy cause that is lame? Again I am not giving him a crutch with this drinking problem I think he needs to go but to me that is the problem without question.

Hey, at least you're back here in this thread (albeit with my prodding). Andy's pretending to ignore this thread while he blows sunshine up everyone's posteriors about the Roy Williams trade.

Hey really Andy is a good poster and brings a ton of good info to this forum so lay off him. Nobody can be hear 24 hours a day to come back to thread that is old news and should be over. The only reason I am hear so much is I am outa work injured.

One more thing I was convinced alcohol was the problem only after it was reported it was involved before that I thought this whole thing was media over blown. When I saw a report that Alcohol was possibly involved then I said he needs to go if true. I am not going to go back to look for the post but I believe Bankerguy is the one who posted that alcohol was involved then I posted what you have above.

 

[Broadway Joe]

Looks to me that all I said was I wanted to wait and see what happened before I said off with his head and you have to much time on your hands to go back through countless pages to say I told you so. Just move on Dallas has example, Roy Williams trade. This is old news and Dallas aint giving up boys and losing Pacman they already prepared for when the deal was made to get him.

Umm...over and over you and others kept acting as if it was no big deal.That others were just coming in to pick fights.

You were and still are. All I am saying is this, it did not seem like much went down and everyone and their mother thought the worst without the facts. What we did not know for sure was if alcohol was involved. that was a big reason he was suspended. End of story....really its over Tatum chill I love you man

Nope, you were convinced that alcohol was the problem, and Bankerguy (a Cowboys fan I greatly respect) was even moreso. You never bashed him for saying that flat out, and in fact you all but agreed with him:

That is the problem dude. When he drinks he has wild mood swings. I have friends that act crazy when they drink (not as bad a Pacman). Believe me the alcohol is he problem with this guy and the people he hung out with in the past also. That had nothing to do with this incident though (people of the past) so the one factor that is still there is the alcohol. Why Dallas did not put in his contract he could not drink is beyond me. They should cut ties with him cause they can't tell him to stop drinking and I am sure he won't cause if he did then it would not be a problem of his. What do you think the problem is if it is not alcohol? Please do not say he is just a bad guy cause that is lame? Again I am not giving him a crutch with this drinking problem I think he needs to go but to me that is the problem without question.

Hey, at least you're back here in this thread (albeit with my prodding). Andy's pretending to ignore this thread while he blows sunshine up everyone's posteriors about the Roy Williams trade.

Hey really Andy is a good poster and brings a ton of good info to this forum so lay off him. Nobody can be hear 24 hours a day to come back to thread that is old news and should be over. The only reason I am hear so much is I am outa work injured.

One more thing I was convinced alcohol was the problem only after it was reported it was involved before that I thought this whole thing was media over blown. When I saw a report that Alcohol was possibly involved then I said he needs to go if true. I am not going to go back to look for the post but I believe Bankerguy is the one who posted that alcohol was involved then I posted what you have above.

"Zero-tolerance" must be a hard concept for some to grasp. I think he gets suspended if there was no achohol involved due to the publicty.In general, I have a habit of calling people out that I think make clueless postsI agree that we should move on as he is scrub player really.

 

[sho nuff]

I think alcohol gave Goodell the excuse to suspend him.

Without it, I think he would have still wanted to...but not had that reasoning to do it.

And saying you just waited til you heard alcohol was involved? It was reported from the start that the guy had been drinking and was intoxicated?

 

[Bankerguy]

Looks to me that all I said was I wanted to wait and see what happened before I said off with his head and you have to much time on your hands to go back through countless pages to say I told you so. Just move on Dallas has example, Roy Williams trade. This is old news and Dallas aint giving up boys and losing Pacman they already prepared for when the deal was made to get him.

Umm...over and over you and others kept acting as if it was no big deal.That others were just coming in to pick fights.

You were and still are. All I am saying is this, it did not seem like much went down and everyone and their mother thought the worst without the facts. What we did not know for sure was if alcohol was involved. that was a big reason he was suspended. End of story....really its over Tatum chill I love you man

Nope, you were convinced that alcohol was the problem, and Bankerguy (a Cowboys fan I greatly respect) was even moreso. You never bashed him for saying that flat out, and in fact you all but agreed with him:

That is the problem dude. When he drinks he has wild mood swings. I have friends that act crazy when they drink (not as bad a Pacman). Believe me the alcohol is he problem with this guy and the people he hung out with in the past also. That had nothing to do with this incident though (people of the past) so the one factor that is still there is the alcohol. Why Dallas did not put in his contract he could not drink is beyond me. They should cut ties with him cause they can't tell him to stop drinking and I am sure he won't cause if he did then it would not be a problem of his. What do you think the problem is if it is not alcohol? Please do not say he is just a bad guy cause that is lame? Again I am not giving him a crutch with this drinking problem I think he needs to go but to me that is the problem without question.

Hey, at least you're back here in this thread (albeit with my prodding). Andy's pretending to ignore this thread while he blows sunshine up everyone's posteriors about the Roy Williams trade.

I was unaware of the alcohol restriction Pacman had with the league. To be honest, I am surprised he wasn't suspended sooner. It is widely known that Pacman has been seen drinking on other occasions as well in and around Dallas. God, he is teh stoopid. Jerry, you got your pick back...now cut him.

 

[Bankerguy]

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell could be ready to banish Pacman Jones from his league forever. Goodell sounds like he wants to finally rid the NFL of any more Pacman publicity once and for all.

He was asked today if a lifetime ban was a possibility?

"It's a possibility," Goodell said from the owners meetings in St. Petersburg, Fla. "He knows that when he was reinstated over the summer, I didn't feel that he had room for any further errors. I think what happened last week was significant enough for me to take action. There are no free passes. It's up to him at this point."

It was up to him before and look where he is.

 

[T Bell]

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell could be ready to banish Pacman Jones from his league forever. Goodell sounds like he wants to finally rid the NFL of any more Pacman publicity once and for all.He was asked today if a lifetime ban was a possibility?"It's a possibility," Goodell said from the owners meetings in St. Petersburg, Fla. "He knows that when he was reinstated over the summer, I didn't feel that he had room for any further errors. I think what happened last week was significant enough for me to take action. There are no free passes. It's up to him at this point."It was up to him before and look where he is.

"It's up to him at this point"? What is PacMan supposed to do now that he's already suspended? I'm with you, Bankerguy, in saying that Goodell should just ban him and move on.

 

[Wilbur Wood]

Deion Sanders and Jerry Jones both come off looking bad in this episode of "As PacMan Turns".

#1 Deion, still a big "Cowboy Guy", had taken a mentoring role with PacMan and in fact lives in PacMan's neighborhood. Deion was interviewed live on the NFL network last week when this story broke. Deion clearly stated that this "incident" was not a big deal and he stated that PacMan was at Deion's house that evening after the "incident" and Deion said that "PacMan had not been drinking that evening".

#2 Jerry Jones clearly knew that PacMan was suppose to lay off the booze as part of reinstatement with Goddell. Jerry ran his own investigation and cleared PacMan of any wrongdoing and let him play. Goddell then runs an objective investigation and finds otherwise.

This makes Deion and Jerry both look like classic "enablers".

 

[Bankerguy]

Deion Sanders and Jerry Jones both come off looking bad in this episode of "As PacMan Turns".#1 Deion, still a big "Cowboy Guy", had taken a mentoring role with PacMan and in fact lives in PacMan's neighborhood. Deion was interviewed live on the NFL network last week when this story broke. Deion clearly stated that this "incident" was not a big deal and he stated that PacMan was at Deion's house that evening after the "incident" and Deion said that "PacMan had not been drinking that evening".#2 Jerry Jones clearly knew that PacMan was suppose to lay off the booze as part of reinstatement with Goddell. Jerry ran his own investigation and cleared PacMan of any wrongdoing and let him play. Goddell then runs an objective investigation and finds otherwise.This makes Deion and Jerry both look like classic "enablers".

1) I am not a 100% sure the drinking part is accurate.2) Jerry didn't discipline Pac so he could get the draft pick back. Smart move by Jerry here.

 

[sho nuff]

2) Jerry didn't discipline Pac so he could get the draft pick back. Smart move by Jerry here.

Please tell me you are kidding with this.Jerry did not discipline him because he needed him to play and was probably hoping that nothing would come of it...and because he simply won't discipline a guy like that anyway.

 

[Phurfur]

Deion Sanders and Jerry Jones both come off looking bad in this episode of "As PacMan Turns".

#1 Deion, still a big "Cowboy Guy", had taken a mentoring role with PacMan and in fact lives in PacMan's neighborhood. Deion was interviewed live on the NFL network last week when this story broke. Deion clearly stated that this "incident" was not a big deal and he stated that PacMan was at Deion's house that evening after the "incident" and Deion said that "PacMan had not been drinking that evening".

#2 Jerry Jones clearly knew that PacMan was suppose to lay off the booze as part of reinstatement with Goddell. Jerry ran his own investigation and cleared PacMan of any wrongdoing and let him play. Goddell then runs an objective investigation and finds otherwise.

This makes Deion and Jerry both look like classic "enablers".

He also made fools of:Wade Phillips

The Dallas Cowboys

Roger Goodell

The NFL

and they are still playing his game.

 

[sho nuff]

Deion Sanders and Jerry Jones both come off looking bad in this episode of "As PacMan Turns".

#1 Deion, still a big "Cowboy Guy", had taken a mentoring role with PacMan and in fact lives in PacMan's neighborhood. Deion was interviewed live on the NFL network last week when this story broke. Deion clearly stated that this "incident" was not a big deal and he stated that PacMan was at Deion's house that evening after the "incident" and Deion said that "PacMan had not been drinking that evening".

#2 Jerry Jones clearly knew that PacMan was suppose to lay off the booze as part of reinstatement with Goddell. Jerry ran his own investigation and cleared PacMan of any wrongdoing and let him play. Goddell then runs an objective investigation and finds otherwise.

This makes Deion and Jerry both look like classic "enablers".

He also made fools of:Wade Phillips

The Dallas Cowboys

Roger Goodell

The NFL

and they are still playing his game.

Add Floyd Reese, Jeff Fisher and the numerous members of the Titans organization who stuck up for him many times only to keep getting burned.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Listening to Goodell he said that Jones could maybe prove himself to the Commish with his behavior over the next few weeks. Why in the world would Goodell say this? It allows Jones to sneak back in if he stays out of trouble for a few weeks and maybe acts contrite and signs up for an alcohol abuse course. Jones will obviously do so. He will ask back in. Goodell will be in a position to be under pressure to do so because of his own words, and we will be back here again in a few months. Does Goodell really want to have to keep revisiting this stupid issue with this same guy? Seems to be a large downside for Goodell if he bets on Jones' behavior.

 

[Wilbur Wood]

Deion Sanders and Jerry Jones both come off looking bad in this episode of "As PacMan Turns".#1 Deion, still a big "Cowboy Guy", had taken a mentoring role with PacMan and in fact lives in PacMan's neighborhood. Deion was interviewed live on the NFL network last week when this story broke. Deion clearly stated that this "incident" was not a big deal and he stated that PacMan was at Deion's house that evening after the "incident" and Deion said that "PacMan had not been drinking that evening".#2 Jerry Jones clearly knew that PacMan was suppose to lay off the booze as part of reinstatement with Goddell. Jerry ran his own investigation and cleared PacMan of any wrongdoing and let him play. Goddell then runs an objective investigation and finds otherwise.This makes Deion and Jerry both look like classic "enablers".

1) I am not a 100% sure the drinking part is accurate.2) Jerry didn't discipline Pac so he could get the draft pick back. Smart move by Jerry here.

Wrong on both counts.#1 - I heard the Deion Sanders interview live and Deion stated that alcohol was not involved in the incident. #2 So if Jerry suspended Pac for 1 game and then Goddell suspended him "indefinately" thereafter the Cowboys would not get the draft pick back? Not true.

 

[Bankerguy]

2) Jerry didn't discipline Pac so he could get the draft pick back. Smart move by Jerry here.

Please tell me you are kidding with this.Jerry did not discipline him because he needed him to play and was probably hoping that nothing would come of it...and because he simply won't discipline a guy like that anyway.

I'm not kidding and I am not saying whether it's "right or wrong". However, part of the Tennesse deal is that if the Cowboys suspended him first then they would not get the pick back.Forgive me if I can't refind the link-I'll try to find it though. I've read a ton of pacman articles obviously.

 

[sho nuff]

2) Jerry didn't discipline Pac so he could get the draft pick back. Smart move by Jerry here.

Please tell me you are kidding with this.Jerry did not discipline him because he needed him to play and was probably hoping that nothing would come of it...and because he simply won't discipline a guy like that anyway.

I'm not kidding and I am not saying whether it's "right or wrong". However, part of the Tennesse deal is that if the Cowboys suspended him first then they would not get the pick back.Forgive me if I can't refind the link-I'll try to find it though. I've read a ton of pacman articles obviously.

I have not read anywhere that a Cowboys suspension would have nullified the pick back deal had the NFL taken action anyway.But to say Jerry Jones did not suspend him because he knew Goodell would and then he could get his pick back just seems out there to me.I simply think Jerry did not think Goodell would do it...and Jerry needed him to keep playing as long as the NFL would let him.

 

[T Bell]

Listening to Goodell he said that Jones could maybe prove himself to the Commish with his behavior over the next few weeks. Why in the world would Goodell say this? It allows Jones to sneak back in if he stays out of trouble for a few weeks and maybe acts contrite and signs up for an alcohol abuse course. Jones will obviously do so. He will ask back in. Goodell will be in a position to be under pressure to do so because of his own words, and we will be back here again in a few months. Does Goodell really want to have to keep revisiting this stupid issue with this same guy? Seems to be a large downside for Goodell if he bets on Jones' behavior.

We're in complete agreement on this. I don't doubt that Goodell has the guts to swing the perma-ban axe, so I'm wondering whether Goodell is leaving an opening here because of some level of uncertainty remaining about this incident even after the investigation. I agree, though, that actually showing this uncertainty here with yet another tepid invitation to PacMan to clean up his act doesn't make him look good at all.

 

[mbuehner]

Deion Sanders and Jerry Jones both come off looking bad in this episode of "As PacMan Turns".#1 Deion, still a big "Cowboy Guy", had taken a mentoring role with PacMan and in fact lives in PacMan's neighborhood. Deion was interviewed live on the NFL network last week when this story broke. Deion clearly stated that this "incident" was not a big deal and he stated that PacMan was at Deion's house that evening after the "incident" and Deion said that "PacMan had not been drinking that evening".#2 Jerry Jones clearly knew that PacMan was suppose to lay off the booze as part of reinstatement with Goddell. Jerry ran his own investigation and cleared PacMan of any wrongdoing and let him play. Goddell then runs an objective investigation and finds otherwise.This makes Deion and Jerry both look like classic "enablers".

1) I am not a 100% sure the drinking part is accurate.2) Jerry didn't discipline Pac so he could get the draft pick back. Smart move by Jerry here.

Wrong on both counts.#1 - I heard the Deion Sanders interview live and Deion stated that alcohol was not involved in the incident. #2 So if Jerry suspended Pac for 1 game and then Goddell suspended him "indefinately" thereafter the Cowboys would not get the draft pick back? Not true.

Well if Deion said its true... look, 'involved' is a relative term. Jones will probably argue he wasnt intoxicated, but that is beside the point (and unproveable at this time). If he has a drinking problem, which he quite well could, addiction is at the bottom of his behavior. The Cowboys should have figured that out and if they really wanted the guy to succeed they should have spent that money on rehab and councilling instead of full time babysitters. Even then there are no guaruntees. A rational person, at the point Jones was at, wouldn't leave his house except for practice and games. There isnt much in this world that a few million dollars cant get delivered right to your doorstep. But he's not right in the head, and he's exhibiting pretty classic symptoms of addiction.