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Ron_Mexico
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Footballguy
I just heard on the ESPN Duke/Davidson halftime show that Pacman may have been involved in a violent crime with a charge coming from his Titans days and that is why Dallas released him.
Did anyone else catch that?
Did anyone else catch that?
fatness
Footballguy
fatness
Footballguy
From that article:
Ozymandias
Footballguy
They had to release him in order to create space for some other piece of trash that Jerry Jones is going to rehabilitate and turn into a model citizen.
I don't think he can be just released. He's hurt with possibly a career ending injury. Doesn't an injured player have to work out an injury settlement? Isn't that like to your boss firing you for getting hurt on the job?
It's nitpicking but I think there's more to this story coming out soon.
BTW one less Cowboy practicing in pajamas is a good thing, isn't it?
It's nitpicking but I think there's more to this story coming out soon.
BTW one less Cowboy practicing in pajamas is a good thing, isn't it?
Englishteacher
Footballguy
Assuming the second incident turns out not to be true, you guys think anyone else will give him a shot?
Bengals
Bengals
thanks, I didn't even notice. I wonder if that does negate any injury claim.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
I was assured by Cowboy fans that Jerry Jones had completely checked out the young man. That there were no more skeletons in his closet nor shoes to drop. I was assured that Pacman, in the presence of a man like Jerry had to automatically bare his soul and that there were no more shoes to drop. I was assured that there was some sort of Cowboy magic that would automatically rub off on Pacman once he joined the team and that this would guarantee no problems since he would be so grateful just to be part of America's Team. All this and more I was assured of by Cowboy fans.
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Ridgelake
Footballguy
I'm speculating here, but I'm guessing Pacman not revealing this other new apparent incident when he was getting signed by Dallas has a significant impact on his release. If this other incident is true, you can bet he lied to Jerry about nothing else being out there. Getting caught in a lie to Jerry is a quick ticket out of town.Again, pure speculation. But it would not surprise me in the least if thats what's behind this.
Bankerguy
Footballguy
Keep twisting.No agenda here.
Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
It is pretty funny that he was expected to shape up in Dallas and be a big time player in the return game and then none of that happened.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Cut the guy some slack. Just because he solicited a murderer for a contract hit after being disrespected at a strip club while on NFL suspension doesn't mean he's a bad guy. Oh wait...
Jeremy
Footballguy
But alas, they just couldn't make a good football player out of him. That's what it really comes down to IMO. If he was the next coming of Champ Bailey, they'd still be making excuses for the guy and preaching "innocent until proven guilty" until they were blue in the face. I wouldn't see this as any sign that the Cowboys suddenly value character in players.
Bankerguy
Footballguy
IMO, the only BIG mistake the Cowboys made with regards to Pacman is......he didn't earn his spot/playing time on the team and especially after he returned from rehab. Orlando Scandrick was clearly outplaying Pacman. Yet his playing time was cut upon Pac's return. This sends a terrible message to the entire team. There are many rumors right now about this being one of problems within the locker room. This move has Jerry's fingerprints all over it and we all know Wade wasn't calling the shots. THIS IS PROBLEM.
The trade and personnel move itself was reasonable and they didn't pay a steep price for someone who should have had everything to play for. ***I know lot's of people will say once a turd always a turd***. I get the theory. TIA. As a Cowboy fan I am of the opinion that bringing in Pac was not the biggest part of the problem.
The trade and personnel move itself was reasonable and they didn't pay a steep price for someone who should have had everything to play for. ***I know lot's of people will say once a turd always a turd***. I get the theory. TIA. As a Cowboy fan I am of the opinion that bringing in Pac was not the biggest part of the problem.
Exactly, does anybody remember the week that Terrance Newman injured himself and they lost another CB. They were making excuses over his bathroom brawl about how they were apparently joking around and they didn't suspend him themselves and waited for the league to do it. They wanted a body that game because they were so thin in the secondary. All in all, the Pacman experiment didn't work, he got exploited some games for his weak coverage and his special teams play was subpar. I remember during the year the special teams coach was telling him he's the reason for most of their penalties by not sticking to the return play. He would try to do it all himself and that resulted in about 100 illegal blocks and blocks in the back penalties. Pacman was just starting to hit the next level before his suspension for the Titans. He was getting better in coverage, playing some offensive snaps and returning pretty well. IMO, the lay off hurt him, he never got to the next level and he's no better then a nickel defensive back... and that's only because his speed and raw athletic ability.
Ridgelake
Footballguy
This was a roll-of-the-dice move by Jerry and the Cowboys. He took a chance on getting a guy who appeared to be playing at a pro bowl level prior to his year off. He gave him a minimum contract with no signing bonus. Cutting him cost Dallas nothing. He structured the deal so that Dallas gets back picks if Pac screwed up off the field.
And btw, by Dallas not suspending him for his bathroom brawl and getting the NFL to suspend him, Dallas was able to recoup a pick from Tennessee. Had Dallas suspended him, then no pick.
The bottom line is the dice roll didnt show a winning number. It is what it is. Time to move on. Jerry was at least smart enough to structure the whole thing so that they could move on with minimal impact. Easy come, easy go.
As a Cowboy fan, I'm glad they at least tried this move. I know my team has an owner who wants to win. An owner who is trying to win. Many teams can't say that. I hope Jerry tries more things like this in the future. Some times it works (Charles Haley). Some times it doesnt.
Time to move on.
And btw, by Dallas not suspending him for his bathroom brawl and getting the NFL to suspend him, Dallas was able to recoup a pick from Tennessee. Had Dallas suspended him, then no pick.
The bottom line is the dice roll didnt show a winning number. It is what it is. Time to move on. Jerry was at least smart enough to structure the whole thing so that they could move on with minimal impact. Easy come, easy go.
As a Cowboy fan, I'm glad they at least tried this move. I know my team has an owner who wants to win. An owner who is trying to win. Many teams can't say that. I hope Jerry tries more things like this in the future. Some times it works (Charles Haley). Some times it doesnt.
Time to move on.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
I would never deny I am a hater. The funny thing is I use to like the Cowboys before Jerry Jones, his ways, and the corresponding, it seems, rise in arrogance of many Cowboy fans. I recognize that there are some great Cowboy fans.
Dexter Manley
Footballguy
I think this is a smart move by Jerry "Al Davis Jr." Jones.
Let's face it, the high point of Pacman's season was catching and holding all 6 of those balls that were punted to him during that Hard Knocks episode. Jerry was obviously expecting higher returns than that on his investment with this deviant player.
Let's face it, the high point of Pacman's season was catching and holding all 6 of those balls that were punted to him during that Hard Knocks episode. Jerry was obviously expecting higher returns than that on his investment with this deviant player.
Muddy Rubicon
Footballguy
Bankerguy
Footballguy
How progressive of you.:subscribe:
Bankerguy
Footballguy
100% agree.I would just reiterate the mistake was giving him playing time (Jerry's doing) when it was NOT deserved by on the field play.It was more of: Well I spent money and he is talented, so get him out there Wade.Scandrick and Jenkins were better and more deserving of playing time. Other players saw this and knew it too. This is the problem with the Cowboys current culture.
Jeremy
Footballguy
I'm curious, though...Does it dull your enjoyment at all that Jerry Jones seems to build teams with players that tend to be low on character? I'd think it'd be sort of tough to root for players I don't respect, even if they help you win. I remember when Pacman was acquired and people thought he would help them win, most Cowboys fans seemed to be happy with it, but I kept thinking, "yeah, but you've got to root for this jackass every week." It seems like Cowboy fans more than almost any others are completely indifferent to how they win just as long as they DO win. I know my teams occasionally have had players on it that I disliked and for me it made it tough to watch. I could rationalize behaviors to an extent, but after a while it got to the point where I couldn't anymore. The Forest Gregg era in Green Bay was like that, although in that case, they didn't even have the winning to go with it. It was a pretty miserable time to be a fan.
Phurfur
Footballguy
This is an excellent point!I think Pacman was more than a roll of the dice. He was more like a 100 to 1 shot and the stakes were too high for that gamble. 31 other franchises saw that. I won't go as far to say Pacman was the reason the Cowboys missed the playoff but he sure didn't help.
Mustang Man
Footballguy
I will second that, it is just that some people are just plain stupid when it comes to wanting to bash the Cowboys.Mr Capicollo
Footballguy
When every year you are involved in "rolls of the dice" with players of questionable character or attitude, that stops being an isolated gamble and starts to become one's modus operandi. I'm sure you'd like to "move on", but unfortunately you've still got a roster full of other examples of this sort of folly that will hold you back from such forgetfulness.
Bankerguy
Footballguy
Most "fans" just care about whether their uniform beats your uniform. Wins and losses.
Phurfur
Footballguy
Adam Jones never was and never will be a Charles Haley, it is an insult to CH to mention them together.
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Mr Capicollo
Footballguy
BTW, should I read anything into the fact that it took 24 hours and a non-Cowboys fan to post news item in its own thread (rather than only discretely mention it in the Cowboys thread) in light of all of the boasts by Cowboys fans that they are proud of being supposedly the most hated/talked about team in the league.
It's a little hard to boast about how proud you are of your family when you're busy pushing your "special" son behind the curtain during the family photo, no?
It's a little hard to boast about how proud you are of your family when you're busy pushing your "special" son behind the curtain during the family photo, no?
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I think we may have finally seen the last of Pacman in the NFL. It has been very obvious this season that his play on the field is not even close to being worth putting up with his off-the-field problems.
LarryAllen'sJockstrap
Footballguy
Who really cares when the topic was started or who started it?Honestly, the guy was a non-factor on the field. From a pure football prespective, I doubt there are many topics started when a team cuts an ineefective 3rd/4th corner. If his name wasn't Pacman, no one would give a ####.
Mustang Man
Footballguy
Dude you got it all wrong, it is what it is. Sorry someone did not post that Pacman was cut.LOL What exactly do you want to hear Cowboys fans say. That you were right and Dallas has no chance to be better next season because of their players and coaching present. That Dallas had a disapointing year and we are going to jump off a cliff. Not going to happen. We will be back next year and still be very talented. Maybe they will learn from this year and the leadership issues. Maybe not but either way Dallas will be a player going into next season and we will see how it plays out. Life goes on and only one team will be ale to run it's mouth this off season and the is the SB CHAMP. If you want to run your mouth about making the playoffs or winning 1 or 2 games in the playoffs and such have at it but it means nothing, all that matters is who is the Champ. Dallas will be back next year and have a shot, have a nice day.
Bankerguy
Footballguy
I edited the title of the Dallas Cowboys off-season thread to include the info right after it happened. Personally, I didn't feel it needed a thread on it's own other then to hear the normal crap (Some of it justified) we hear from many of the same posters.
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
If "ifs" and "buts" were candies and nuts, we'd all have a merry Christmas.It's precisely because he's Adam Jones that we're having this discussion. This pickup was hailed as a brilliant move by JJ and this was going to help the 'boys get back to the SB. It flamed, and judging by the reaction of some, Mr Capicollo's point is being made.
Hey, I'm all for 2nd chances. I think the 'boys were able to get something out of the Tank Johnson signing; props to them for it working out. Jones? Not so much. If you want to live by the "troubled" player, you're gonna have to die with him too.
Ridgelake
Footballguy
Having watched him this year, its an apparent catastrophic lack of situation awareness that causes him problems. On the field, he was attrocious in zone coverage. Even Wade during his pressers was saying that Pac was the kind of guy you just put on a WR and say "He's yours". To me, the "highlight" of this problem was the Eagles game. Fifteen seconds left in the first half. Philly had just scored to go up 2 TDs. Pac wsa back deep for the kickoff. He gets the ball, runs up the field, tries to juke. You can tell he's thinking "gotta make a play, gotta make a play!" He's surrounded by like 4 Eagles. "Gotta make a play!" He jukes again. OOOOPSSS! Ball haning in one hand gets FUMBLED! Eagles recover. Trot out Akers. Boom, Eagles walk into the lockeroom now up 3 scores, not 2. The one thing Pac absolutely could not do was fumble. Anything but give the Eagles more points there. And he does just that.And the off field stuff. Do we really need to go into how situation awareness seems to be an issue?I wish the guy well. He seems to work hard and wants to do well.
Jeremy
Footballguy
Interesting. It sounds like almost a cultural difference then. They're almost like robots in uniforms to a lot of fans it sounds like. Where I come from, we tend to almost fall in love with not just the team, but a lot of the individual players. In Green Bay there's a hall of fame just for the Packers. We grow up on stories of great players (mostly from the Lombardi era), and feel like we almost know them. We put them on a pedastal, probably more than they should be. It's sort of a foreign concept to me that people can root for guys like T.O., Pacman Jones and other thugs and primadonna's and not bat an eye.
Bankerguy
Footballguy
I get what you are going for. i love certain players too (usually high character guys-Witten is one for sure)I guess for me-If you told me at the start of the season my favourite team would have a bunch of "idiots off the field" on my team. Then you guarantee me that they would win the SuperBowl would I take it? The answer is yes.-The Cowboys of the 90's had a ton of questionable characters on that team.-The Detroit Pistons Bad Boy'sShould fans not have rooted for their team and their "uniform"?
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Phurfur
Footballguy
You don't change your allegiance for any reason but I think there is a difference between embracing these athletes and voicing your disapproval.
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Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
I think this is the main reason why the belief that the end justifies the means persists there, even when they are no longer getting the results they want.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
It's kind of sad, the only real difference between the Bengals and the Cowboys right now is that the Cowboys are willing to spend money. Both teams have an owner that is going to override his football people if he thinks HE knows what is best. Both teams don't care about character problems, even if it constantly causes lockerroom problems. Both teams refuse to admit that their team has some serious cracks in it.
Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
Yes, the flipside of my above post is the Bengals. Why do they sign so many "questionable" guys even while they never manage to make their team better? In Cincy's case I think the team is just mind-blowingly bad at evaluating talent, which at least I would not say of Dallas.
Mr Capicollo
Footballguy
Said another way, what Cowboys ownership seems to forget is that they won in the 1990's in spite of those problems and not because of them. Moreover, it was only done due to having very strong leadership on that team originally with Jimmy Johnson and also with players who made sure that, whatever else you were doing, if you weren't working hard and pulling together you didn't have a place on that team.
