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Paleo / Primal Blueprint type diets (1 Viewer)

'Ren Hoek said:
Is there a simple tutorial for how to follow this diet?
There are a zillion different ideas about the right way to eat, and that's true within paleo circles too.What nearly every paleo plan agrees on is:1. Avoid highly processed foods with a plethora of unrecognizable ingredients.2. Severely limit foods with added sugar (including HFCS) — candy, soda, and the like.3. Severely limit foods containing plant-based oils — soybean oil, corn oil, and canola oil being the most common. ("Vegetable oil" on the label is usually soybean oil.) There are some exceptions. Coconut oil, olive oil, and palm oil, for example, are perfectly fine. What you're trying to avoid are (a) industrially processed oils, like canola, that turn rancid during their heavy processing; and (b) oils with a really high ratio of omega-6 to omega-3, like corn and soy. (This means avoiding pretty much all store-bought mayonnaise and salad dressing. Fortunately, it's easy to make your own.)4. If you're going to eat a substantial amount of grains or legumes, prepare them so as to minimize their toxicity (for example, by sprouting or fermenting them).5. Particularly nutritious foods include organ meats, eggs, bivalves (clams, oysters, mussels), and vegetables. Bone broths, too.That's pretty much it for the essentials. After that, there's plenty of disagreement. Is paleo low-carb or high-carb? Is eating a ton of fruit okay? How about starches, like potatoes or sweet potatoes? How about minimally-toxic grains, like white rice? Is conventional meat okay, or is it really important to stick only to pastured animals? Is loading up on saturated fat and cholesterol cool? (This one is no longer very controversial in paleo circles; it's generally agreed that it is cool.) Is dairy good? Even if regular dairy is bad, what about raw, grass-fed dairy? Are nuts too high in phytates? And so on.My personal view is that paleo dieters, in general, tend to err on the side of being overly restrictive. I think fruits and starches are perfectly wonderful for people with decent insulin sensitivity. I think raw, grass-fed, full-fat dairy is great for lactose-tolerant people. I think properly prepared grains are fine for healthy people without gluten sensitivities. Nuts are a great source of minerals; just don't overdo them.In any case, you'll probably have to experiment a bit to find out what works best for you. But you can't go wrong by avoiding highly processed foods and emphasizing high-quality meat/eggs/fish and non-starchy vegetables. (Throw in fruit, starches, nuts, and high-quality dairy to see if they work for you. Maybe even some grains here and there.)
If I'm 5'8" 180 and I'd like to lose 20lbs, how much should I be eating in a given day?
I'd start out by saying that you should eat to satiety. Your will power, like anyone's, is limited. Trying to overcome the urge to eat to satiety will be a losing battle over the long run. The trick isn't to suppress that urge; the trick is to stick to nutritious foods that promote a properly functioning metabolism so that your appetite naturally prompts a food intake that's right for you.You'll know you're on the right track when you start to feel full a bit more easily and don't get hungry between meals. You'll start to eat less than you currently do not because your will power becomes stronger, but because that's all you're hungry for.
 
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lolpeople will believe anythingPaleo diet? Now I've heard it all.
Why is eating a diet closer to the one that we evolved on a :lol: moment for you?
Aren't we past pretending that we "evolved" on this diet. I think even the main pushers are willing to admit that now. Of course it depends on the definition of "evolved".
We didn't evolve eating unprocessed meat, vegetables and fruits? Was it actually lunch meats, french onion dip and fruit roll ups?
Under your definition of evolved no. That's a pretty narrow definition.
As scoob pointed out there are obviously variations on the theme (some peoples had access to more, or less, fruits or eggs or nuts or whatever). Grains in general did not become part of our food chain until maybe 10,000 years ago (significantly less in some regions). One thing I can pretty much guarantee you that we weren't evolving on the Franken-foods that comprise the vast majority of our modern diet.
 
Well put maurile, you nailed it.

I use this diet as a guideline. I avoid processed foods, cut waaaay back on pasta and grains and such, but I will ocaisionally have beans or rice or potatoes, because who wants to be healthy and miserable?

 
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people will believe anything

Paleo diet? Now I've heard it all.
Why is eating a diet closer to the one that we evolved on a :lol: moment for you?
Aren't we past pretending that we "evolved" on this diet. I think even the main pushers are willing to admit that now. Of course it depends on the definition of "evolved".
We didn't evolve eating unprocessed meat, vegetables and fruits? Was it actually lunch meats, french onion dip and fruit roll ups?
Under your definition of evolved no. That's a pretty narrow definition.
As scoob pointed out there are obviously variations on the theme (some peoples had access to more, or less, fruits or eggs or nuts or whatever). Grains in general did not become part of our food chain until maybe 10,000 years ago (significantly less in some regions).

One thing I can pretty much guarantee you that we weren't evolving on the Franken-foods that comprise the vast majority of our modern diet.
That is the typical strawmen that paleo types throw up. There are tons of diets out there that say "don't eat ####".

 
One thing I can pretty much guarantee you that we weren't evolving on the Franken-foods that comprise the vast majority of our modern diet.
That is the typical strawmen that paleo types throw up. There are tons of diets out there that say "don't eat ####".
Normally, a "straw man" is a deliberate misrepresentation of another person's position. I don't see how that charge fits here.
 
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people will believe anything

Paleo diet? Now I've heard it all.
Why is eating a diet closer to the one that we evolved on a :lol: moment for you?
Aren't we past pretending that we "evolved" on this diet. I think even the main pushers are willing to admit that now. Of course it depends on the definition of "evolved".
We didn't evolve eating unprocessed meat, vegetables and fruits? Was it actually lunch meats, french onion dip and fruit roll ups?
Under your definition of evolved no. That's a pretty narrow definition.
As scoob pointed out there are obviously variations on the theme (some peoples had access to more, or less, fruits or eggs or nuts or whatever). Grains in general did not become part of our food chain until maybe 10,000 years ago (significantly less in some regions).

One thing I can pretty much guarantee you that we weren't evolving on the Franken-foods that comprise the vast majority of our modern diet.
That is the typical strawmen that paleo types throw up. There are tons of diets out there that say "don't eat ####".
It's not and that's nice. I am not sure what your point is though. Are you suggesting that a generally unprocessed foods diet is not good for you? Do you think it's no better than another eating style that you prefer? Let me know where you are heading with this and I will be happy to discuss it further.No one is saying that you specifically have to eat differently than you do. This thread is for people who have questions about a specific eating lifestyle. I would be happy to hear more about these other diets you are referring to, I think it would contribute greatly to the discussion.

 
That is the typical strawmen that paleo types throw up. There are tons of diets out there that say "don't eat ####".
It's hard to throw out a strawman when you haven't offered an arugment. What particular "paleo" advice is wrong? What do you dispute?I don't particularly like "the argument from Grok" or whatever myself, but frankly, that's not the central argument of any of these guys. Not Sisson. Not Cordain. Not Wolf. And certainly not Kurt Harris or Kressler or Masterjohn. I think there are a few major points of agreement in the "paleosphere", which you can feel free to point out your disagreement with.1) Obesity is not simply a disease of energy disregulation2) Hormone imbalances and inflammation are components of obesity3) The lipid hypothesis does not adequately explain the origin of coronary disease.4) Coronary disease is related to inflammation5) Gluten grains and Omega 6 polyunsaturated fatty acids are inflammation promoting agents in large segments of the population.6) Other food sources may be inflammation promoting agents in smaller segments of the population7) Excessive fructose consumption can cause metabolic derangement and Symptom X which is a prime factor in obesity8) Controlling carbohydrate consumption can reverse metabolic derangement 9) Diverse, natural food consumption promotes a full-suite of beneficial nutrientsNow, I'm trying to step back from being "that Paleo ***hole." I really don't care how people lose weight. And frankly I think paleo followers (as opposed to most of the authorities, who are better) are perfectly capable of giving wrong-headed and damaging advice. But I will say that while I have lost weight by "eating right and exercising", I never cured my sleep apnea. Or my digestive issues. Or passed through cold and flu season unscathed. I've done all that while eating paleo. I run a faster 5K and 10K doing less than 10 miles a week than I did when I ran over 30. I've added muscle, which was a really big problem for me. I'm fitter pushing 40 than I was when I lost even more weight at 24.
 
That is the typical strawmen that paleo types throw up. There are tons of diets out there that say "don't eat ####".
It's hard to throw out a strawman when you haven't offered an arugment. What particular "paleo" advice is wrong? What do you dispute?I don't particularly like "the argument from Grok" or whatever myself, but frankly, that's not the central argument of any of these guys. Not Sisson. Not Cordain. Not Wolf. And certainly not Kurt Harris or Kressler or Masterjohn. I think there are a few major points of agreement in the "paleosphere", which you can feel free to point out your disagreement with.1) Obesity is not simply a disease of energy disregulation2) Hormone imbalances and inflammation are components of obesity3) The lipid hypothesis does not adequately explain the origin of coronary disease.4) Coronary disease is related to inflammation5) Gluten grains and Omega 6 polyunsaturated fatty acids are inflammation promoting agents in large segments of the population.6) Other food sources may be inflammation promoting agents in smaller segments of the population7) Excessive fructose consumption can cause metabolic derangement and Symptom X which is a prime factor in obesity8) Controlling carbohydrate consumption can reverse metabolic derangement 9) Diverse, natural food consumption promotes a full-suite of beneficial nutrientsNow, I'm trying to step back from being "that Paleo ***hole." I really don't care how people lose weight. And frankly I think paleo followers (as opposed to most of the authorities, who are better) are perfectly capable of giving wrong-headed and damaging advice. But I will say that while I have lost weight by "eating right and exercising", I never cured my sleep apnea. Or my digestive issues. Or passed through cold and flu season unscathed. I've done all that while eating paleo. I run a faster 5K and 10K doing less than 10 miles a week than I did when I ran over 30. I've added muscle, which was a really big problem for me. I'm fitter pushing 40 than I was when I lost even more weight at 24.
This has been covered here before. I hate the "we evolved" argument that then eventually pushes the guy to backpedal to just pointing out the low hanging fruit like Cheetos. There is plenty of archaeological evidence that the early paleo guys ignored or failed to research that show grain consumption nearly as far back as we have found anything that resembles humans. It is a nice hook, however. This diet to me seems mainly to be a gluten free south beach, but packaged so the crossfit guys can get their bone-in ribeye for dinner. It's another good tool for losing weight (mainly again, by cutting simple sugar) , but it's not a global cure-all for the planet.
 
There is plenty of archaeological evidence that the early paleo guys ignored or failed to research that show grain consumption nearly as far back as we have found anything that resembles humans.
Not really. The headlines in the popular press said "grains," but the actual paper concerned starches (i.e., "starch grains"). Only one of the nine starches found was from a seed; the rest were from roots or tubers. We're generally talking yams, not wheat.
 
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There is plenty of archaeological evidence that the early paleo guys ignored or failed to research that show grain consumption nearly as far back as we have found anything that resembles humans.
I would appreciate it if you expanded on this, any links to literature on the issue is also appreciated.
 
There is plenty of archaeological evidence that the early paleo guys ignored or failed to research that show grain consumption nearly as far back as we have found anything that resembles humans.
I would appreciate it if you expanded on this, any links to literature on the issue is also appreciated.
I really don't care to. It's pointless to me to engage in a debate on what people 10,000 years ago ate and somehow bless that as gospel in today's society. Sisson and all his ilk have backtracked some themselves on what they think the ratios were like. It was/is marketing hype.If you are trying to lose weight or fat then the paleo type diets will help you, no question about it. It might be the most perfect sedentary diet going right now I could think to draw up.If you want to do endurance sports or really any kind of athletic endeavors that require 45min or more of cardio then the golden 40/40/20 rule is going to win out every day of the week. With diets it is all a matter of goals. There is no magic bullet.
 
There is plenty of archaeological evidence that the early paleo guys ignored or failed to research that show grain consumption nearly as far back as we have found anything that resembles humans.
I would appreciate it if you expanded on this, any links to literature on the issue is also appreciated.
I really don't care to. It's pointless to me to engage in a debate on what people 10,000 years ago ate and somehow bless that as gospel in today's society. Sisson and all his ilk have backtracked some themselves on what they think the ratios were like. It was/is marketing hype.
You speak as if you have read specific literature that supports your statement. But now I get the feeling that it was something you went by in passing. I am really interested in reading different points of view. I can google "when did humans start eating grains" and the like easily, I was just hoping that you had a specific resource.
 
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There is plenty of archaeological evidence that the early paleo guys ignored or failed to research that show grain consumption nearly as far back as we have found anything that resembles humans.
I would appreciate it if you expanded on this, any links to literature on the issue is also appreciated.
I really don't care to. It's pointless to me to engage in a debate on what people 10,000 years ago ate and somehow bless that as gospel in today's society. Sisson and all his ilk have backtracked some themselves on what they think the ratios were like. It was/is marketing hype.If you are trying to lose weight or fat then the paleo type diets will help you, no question about it. It might be the most perfect sedentary diet going right now I could think to draw up.If you want to do endurance sports or really any kind of athletic endeavors that require 45min or more of cardio then the golden 40/40/20 rule is going to win out every day of the week. With diets it is all a matter of goals. There is no magic bullet.
I'm not sure why this upsets you. I have never really been on a diet and I dont consider myself on one now, but some of the paleo stuff has challenged me to re-evaluate what I eat. Before this I would typically eat cereal for breakfast, a cold meat sandwich for lunch, and alot of times pasta for dinner. I thought this was healthy. My lipid panels suggested otherwise. I thought more exercise was the answer so I did (and still do) P90X, Insanity, and eventually a combination of both. No change in chol #'s. Eventually went on statins (I know, I really want off). Hopefully this "high fat" diet will do enough to get off the statins. Its worth a shot.
 
There is plenty of archaeological evidence that the early paleo guys ignored or failed to research that show grain consumption nearly as far back as we have found anything that resembles humans.
I would appreciate it if you expanded on this, any links to literature on the issue is also appreciated.
I really don't care to. It's pointless to me to engage in a debate on what people 10,000 years ago ate and somehow bless that as gospel in today's society. Sisson and all his ilk have backtracked some themselves on what they think the ratios were like. It was/is marketing hype.If you are trying to lose weight or fat then the paleo type diets will help you, no question about it. It might be the most perfect sedentary diet going right now I could think to draw up.If you want to do endurance sports or really any kind of athletic endeavors that require 45min or more of cardio then the golden 40/40/20 rule is going to win out every day of the week. With diets it is all a matter of goals. There is no magic bullet.
I'm not sure why this upsets you. I have never really been on a diet and I dont consider myself on one now, but some of the paleo stuff has challenged me to re-evaluate what I eat. Before this I would typically eat cereal for breakfast, a cold meat sandwich for lunch, and alot of times pasta for dinner. I thought this was healthy. My lipid panels suggested otherwise. I thought more exercise was the answer so I did (and still do) P90X, Insanity, and eventually a combination of both. No change in chol #'s. Eventually went on statins (I know, I really want off). Hopefully this "high fat" diet will do enough to get off the statins. Its worth a shot.
I would love to hear updates on your cholesterol numbers. Sisson is really down on statins.
 
lolpeople will believe anythingPaleo diet? Now I've heard it all.
Why is eating a diet closer to the one that we evolved on a :lol: moment for you?
Aren't we past pretending that we "evolved" on this diet. I think even the main pushers are willing to admit that now. Of course it depends on the definition of "evolved".
Obviously, there was no one paleolithic, evolutionary, or ancestral diet. The Inuits and the Kitavins historically ate very different diets. Certain principles, however, can be derived even from highly diverse diets. I do think the most thoughtful "pushers" or whatever of the paradigm understand this. I'd be far more worried about gluten grains than I'd be about rice (although I'd still avoid rice if I had significant weight to lose). I'd be far more worried about fructose than I would be about dairy unless I come from a population that has dairy sensitivities.
I have a large amount of wt. to lose (somewhere around 100 lbs.). I would like to have it gone within a years time. Is it feasible on this diet with moderate exercise? I have tried atkins with some success but did seem difficult to maintain over time. Are protien shakes with 100% whey and almond milk/fruit acceptable for breakfast meals? I really need help and have been disappointed with failure from so many diet approaches.
 
I think there are a few major points of agreement in the "paleosphere", which you can feel free to point out your disagreement with.

1) Obesity is not simply a disease of energy disregulation

2) Hormone imbalances and inflammation are components of obesity

3) The lipid hypothesis does not adequately explain the origin of coronary disease.

4) Coronary disease is related to inflammation

5) Gluten grains and Omega 6 polyunsaturated fatty acids are inflammation promoting agents in large segments of the population.

6) Other food sources may be inflammation promoting agents in smaller segments of the population

7) Excessive fructose consumption can cause metabolic derangement and Symptom X which is a prime factor in obesity

8) Controlling carbohydrate consumption can reverse metabolic derangement

9) Diverse, natural food consumption promotes a full-suite of beneficial nutrients

Now, I'm trying to step back from being "that Paleo ***hole." I really don't care how people lose weight. And frankly I think paleo followers (as opposed to most of the authorities, who are better) are perfectly capable of giving wrong-headed and damaging advice. But I will say that while I have lost weight by "eating right and exercising", I never cured my sleep apnea. Or my digestive issues. Or passed through cold and flu season unscathed. I've done all that while eating paleo. I run a faster 5K and 10K doing less than 10 miles a week than I did when I ran over 30. I've added muscle, which was a really big problem for me. I'm fitter pushing 40 than I was when I lost even more weight at 24.
While I am currently eating Primal/Paleo, I do disagree with number 2. The heaviest I have ever been was 205 at 6'1". This was 5 months ago. I am now down to 166. I started eating this way to hopefully make an impact on my psoriatic arthritis. There has been no change. So, I was never terribly overweight, and am now less than the ideal weight for my height...yet I still have inflammation. There are plenty of other thin people that have arthritis, too. So, that one's a bit of a stretch for me.
 
lolpeople will believe anythingPaleo diet? Now I've heard it all.
Why is eating a diet closer to the one that we evolved on a :lol: moment for you?
Aren't we past pretending that we "evolved" on this diet. I think even the main pushers are willing to admit that now. Of course it depends on the definition of "evolved".
Obviously, there was no one paleolithic, evolutionary, or ancestral diet. The Inuits and the Kitavins historically ate very different diets. Certain principles, however, can be derived even from highly diverse diets. I do think the most thoughtful "pushers" or whatever of the paradigm understand this. I'd be far more worried about gluten grains than I'd be about rice (although I'd still avoid rice if I had significant weight to lose). I'd be far more worried about fructose than I would be about dairy unless I come from a population that has dairy sensitivities.
I have a large amount of wt. to lose (somewhere around 100 lbs.). I would like to have it gone within a years time. Is it feasible on this diet with moderate exercise? I have tried atkins with some success but did seem difficult to maintain over time. Are protien shakes with 100% whey and almond milk/fruit acceptable for breakfast meals? I really need help and have been disappointed with failure from so many diet approaches.
The funny thing is there are more and more diets out there (HCG has sort of picked up as the new fad diet after paleo) which would have you doing next to no exercise until the maintain hits. 100 in a year is quite a bit. A pound a week is the safer range that most would subscribe to. If you say 100 pounds is all fat that's 520,000 calories to spin off (1400 a day). Do you really have 1400 a day to cut?
 
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lolpeople will believe anythingPaleo diet? Now I've heard it all.
Why is eating a diet closer to the one that we evolved on a :lol: moment for you?
Aren't we past pretending that we "evolved" on this diet. I think even the main pushers are willing to admit that now. Of course it depends on the definition of "evolved".
Obviously, there was no one paleolithic, evolutionary, or ancestral diet. The Inuits and the Kitavins historically ate very different diets. Certain principles, however, can be derived even from highly diverse diets. I do think the most thoughtful "pushers" or whatever of the paradigm understand this. I'd be far more worried about gluten grains than I'd be about rice (although I'd still avoid rice if I had significant weight to lose). I'd be far more worried about fructose than I would be about dairy unless I come from a population that has dairy sensitivities.
I have a large amount of wt. to lose (somewhere around 100 lbs.). I would like to have it gone within a years time. Is it feasible on this diet with moderate exercise? I have tried atkins with some success but did seem difficult to maintain over time. Are protien shakes with 100% whey and almond milk/fruit acceptable for breakfast meals? I really need help and have been disappointed with failure from so many diet approaches.
The funny thing is there are more and more diets out there (HCG has sort of picked up as the new fad diet after paleo) which would have you doing next to no exercise until the maintain hits. 100 in a year is quite a bit. A pound a week is the safer range that most would subscribe to. If you say 100 pounds is all fat that's 520,000 calories to spin off (1400 a day). Do you really have 1400 a day to cut?
Not sure of my current intake. Probably 3000-4500 roughly. I lead a rather sedentary lifestyle currently. I figure with execise even walking 45 min a day the 1400 cal difference is defintely doable.
 
'-jb- said:
While I am currently eating Primal/Paleo, I do disagree with number 2. The heaviest I have ever been was 205 at 6'1". This was 5 months ago. I am now down to 166. I started eating this way to hopefully make an impact on my psoriatic arthritis. There has been no change. So, I was never terribly overweight, and am now less than the ideal weight for my height...yet I still have inflammation. There are plenty of other thin people that have arthritis, too. So, that one's a bit of a stretch for me.
I don't see how your point disproves the hypothesis. Generally speaking, obese people have high levels of c-reactive protein. Which is a marker of inflammation and a red flag for coronary artery disease. Certainly, some non-obese people have high levels of c-reactive protein. 20% of those who develop Type II diabetes are not obese, yet obesity is definitely associated with Type II diabetes. Eliminating gluten grains has certainly lowered my c-reactive protein levels dramatically. It has also eliminated inflammation in my joints and some rash like symptoms I had. Which is not to say it will cure everyone's arthritis. I never had systemic arthritis. For systemic diseases of inflammation (like MS) the "success stories" from dietary changes have often taken years.
 
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'scoobygang said:
I think there are a few major points of agreement in the "paleosphere", which you can feel free to point out your disagreement with.

1) Obesity is not simply a disease of energy disregulation

2) Hormone imbalances and inflammation are components of obesity

3) The lipid hypothesis does not adequately explain the origin of coronary disease.

4) Coronary disease is related to inflammation

5) Gluten grains and Omega 6 polyunsaturated fatty acids are inflammation promoting agents in large segments of the population.

6) Other food sources may be inflammation promoting agents in smaller segments of the population

7) Excessive fructose consumption can cause metabolic derangement and Symptom X which is a prime factor in obesity

8) Controlling carbohydrate consumption can reverse metabolic derangement

9) Diverse, natural food consumption promotes a full-suite of beneficial nutrients

Now, I'm trying to step back from being "that Paleo ***hole." I really don't care how people lose weight. And frankly I think paleo followers (as opposed to most of the authorities, who are better) are perfectly capable of giving wrong-headed and damaging advice. But I will say that while I have lost weight by "eating right and exercising", I never cured my sleep apnea. Or my digestive issues. Or passed through cold and flu season unscathed. I've done all that while eating paleo. I run a faster 5K and 10K doing less than 10 miles a week than I did when I ran over 30. I've added muscle, which was a really big problem for me. I'm fitter pushing 40 than I was when I lost even more weight at 24.
While I am currently eating Primal/Paleo, I do disagree with number 2. The heaviest I have ever been was 205 at 6'1". This was 5 months ago. I am now down to 166. I started eating this way to hopefully make an impact on my psoriatic arthritis. There has been no change. So, I was never terribly overweight, and am now less than the ideal weight for my height...yet I still have inflammation. There are plenty of other thin people that have arthritis, too. So, that one's a bit of a stretch for me.
Five months isn't exactly a long period of time to expect a chronic condition to disappear. Frankly it might not ever go away. I am not sure how any of that relates to #2 being wrong.
 
'-jb- said:
'scoobygang said:
I think there are a few major points of agreement in the "paleosphere", which you can feel free to point out your disagreement with.

1) Obesity is not simply a disease of energy disregulation

2) Hormone imbalances and inflammation are components of obesity

3) The lipid hypothesis does not adequately explain the origin of coronary disease.

4) Coronary disease is related to inflammation

5) Gluten grains and Omega 6 polyunsaturated fatty acids are inflammation promoting agents in large segments of the population.

6) Other food sources may be inflammation promoting agents in smaller segments of the population

7) Excessive fructose consumption can cause metabolic derangement and Symptom X which is a prime factor in obesity

8) Controlling carbohydrate consumption can reverse metabolic derangement

9) Diverse, natural food consumption promotes a full-suite of beneficial nutrients

Now, I'm trying to step back from being "that Paleo ***hole." I really don't care how people lose weight. And frankly I think paleo followers (as opposed to most of the authorities, who are better) are perfectly capable of giving wrong-headed and damaging advice. But I will say that while I have lost weight by "eating right and exercising", I never cured my sleep apnea. Or my digestive issues. Or passed through cold and flu season unscathed. I've done all that while eating paleo. I run a faster 5K and 10K doing less than 10 miles a week than I did when I ran over 30. I've added muscle, which was a really big problem for me. I'm fitter pushing 40 than I was when I lost even more weight at 24.
While I am currently eating Primal/Paleo, I do disagree with number 2. The heaviest I have ever been was 205 at 6'1". This was 5 months ago. I am now down to 166. I started eating this way to hopefully make an impact on my psoriatic arthritis. There has been no change. So, I was never terribly overweight, and am now less than the ideal weight for my height...yet I still have inflammation. There are plenty of other thin people that have arthritis, too. So, that one's a bit of a stretch for me.
Five months isn't exactly a long period of time to expect a chronic condition to disappear. Frankly it might not ever go away. I am not sure how any of that relates to #2 being wrong.
Sure, I suppose I stand corrected. I guess I read it wrong. I assumed that it meant inflammation = obesity, rather than inflammation could = obesity.It's just annoying when I see people claim to have "cured" their arthritis by going gluten-free when I have an extremely mild case (just my elbow), and I see no effect. Just personalizing it is all. Carry on.

 
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It's just annoying when I see people claim to have "cured" their arthritis by going gluten-free when I have an extremely mild case (just my elbow), and I see no effect. Just personalizing it is all. Carry on.
Have you looked into using MSM? Might be worth a shot; it seems to help some people with arthritis.
 
It's just annoying when I see people claim to have "cured" their arthritis by going gluten-free when I have an extremely mild case (just my elbow), and I see no effect. Just personalizing it is all. Carry on.
Have you looked into using MSM? Might be worth a shot; it seems to help some people with arthritis.
PsA is an inflammatory arthritis. This looks to assist with osteoarthritis. Thanks, though. I'll dig into it a bit.
 
I'm willing to give this a shot, mainly because I'm bored with the 4-hour diet and I'm up to my eyeballs in lentils.

One thing, I feel like the paleo is going to be more expensive. The bulk of my food will be fresh meat, veggies, and fruit. That stuff doesn't last very long. Beans are cheap and last forever. Any moneysaving tips for this mission?

Also- how good is almond milk? Is that cool for paleo?

 
I'm willing to give this a shot, mainly because I'm bored with the 4-hour diet and I'm up to my eyeballs in lentils.One thing, I feel like the paleo is going to be more expensive. The bulk of my food will be fresh meat, veggies, and fruit. That stuff doesn't last very long. Beans are cheap and last forever. Any moneysaving tips for this mission?Also- how good is almond milk? Is that cool for paleo?
Good, and yes.
 
Is there a simple tutorial for how to follow this diet?
There are a zillion different ideas about the right way to eat, and that's true within paleo circles too.What nearly every paleo plan agrees on is:1. Avoid highly processed foods with a plethora of unrecognizable ingredients.2. Severely limit foods with added sugar (including HFCS) — candy, soda, and the like.3. Severely limit foods containing plant-based oils — soybean oil, corn oil, and canola oil being the most common. ("Vegetable oil" on the label is usually soybean oil.) There are some exceptions. Coconut oil, olive oil, and palm oil, for example, are perfectly fine. What you're trying to avoid are (a) industrially processed oils, like canola, that turn rancid during their heavy processing; and (b) oils with a really high ratio of omega-6 to omega-3, like corn and soy. (This means avoiding pretty much all store-bought mayonnaise and salad dressing. Fortunately, it's easy to make your own.)4. If you're going to eat a substantial amount of grains or legumes, prepare them so as to minimize their toxicity (for example, by sprouting or fermenting them).5. Particularly nutritious foods include organ meats, eggs, bivalves (clams, oysters, mussels), and vegetables. Bone broths, too.That's pretty much it for the essentials. After that, there's plenty of disagreement. Is paleo low-carb or high-carb? Is eating a ton of fruit okay? How about starches, like potatoes or sweet potatoes? How about minimally-toxic grains, like white rice? Is conventional meat okay, or is it really important to stick only to pastured animals? Is loading up on saturated fat and cholesterol cool? (This one is no longer very controversial in paleo circles; it's generally agreed that it is cool.) Is dairy good? Even if regular dairy is bad, what about raw, grass-fed dairy? Are nuts too high in phytates? And so on.My personal view is that paleo dieters, in general, tend to err on the side of being overly restrictive. I think fruits and starches are perfectly wonderful for people with decent insulin sensitivity. I think raw, grass-fed, full-fat dairy is great for lactose-tolerant people. I think properly prepared grains are fine for healthy people without gluten sensitivities. Nuts are a great source of minerals; just don't overdo them.In any case, you'll probably have to experiment a bit to find out what works best for you. But you can't go wrong by avoiding highly processed foods and emphasizing high-quality meat/eggs/fish and non-starchy vegetables. (Throw in fruit, starches, nuts, and high-quality dairy to see if they work for you. Maybe even some grains here and there.)
If I'm 5'8" 180 and I'd like to lose 20lbs, how much should I be eating in a given day?
I'd start out by saying that you should eat to satiety. Your will power, like anyone's, is limited. Trying to overcome the urge to eat to satiety will be a losing battle over the long run. The trick isn't to suppress that urge; the trick is to stick to nutritious foods that promote a properly functioning metabolism so that your appetite naturally prompts a food intake that's right for you.You'll know you're on the right track when you start to feel full a bit more easily and don't get hungry between meals. You'll start to eat less than you currently do not because your will power becomes stronger, but because that's all you're hungry for.
I also think paleo is about cooking techniques.(you alluded to this with sprouted grains). A major tenet of paleo is getting nutrients from whole foods as opposed to supplements and fortified foods. Understanding the best methods for food preparation is integral to getting the most nutrition out of food.(and avoiding anti-nutrients). I have a pretty varied diet, but I always try to eat quite a bit of raw food and avoid over-cooking certain foods.(while understanding that certain foods might actually be better cooked, e.g tomatoes.)
 
Is there a simple tutorial for how to follow this diet?
There are a zillion different ideas about the right way to eat, and that's true within paleo circles too.What nearly every paleo plan agrees on is:1. Avoid highly processed foods with a plethora of unrecognizable ingredients.2. Severely limit foods with added sugar (including HFCS) — candy, soda, and the like.3. Severely limit foods containing plant-based oils — soybean oil, corn oil, and canola oil being the most common. ("Vegetable oil" on the label is usually soybean oil.) There are some exceptions. Coconut oil, olive oil, and palm oil, for example, are perfectly fine. What you're trying to avoid are (a) industrially processed oils, like canola, that turn rancid during their heavy processing; and (b) oils with a really high ratio of omega-6 to omega-3, like corn and soy. (This means avoiding pretty much all store-bought mayonnaise and salad dressing. Fortunately, it's easy to make your own.)4. If you're going to eat a substantial amount of grains or legumes, prepare them so as to minimize their toxicity (for example, by sprouting or fermenting them).5. Particularly nutritious foods include organ meats, eggs, bivalves (clams, oysters, mussels), and vegetables. Bone broths, too.That's pretty much it for the essentials. After that, there's plenty of disagreement. Is paleo low-carb or high-carb? Is eating a ton of fruit okay? How about starches, like potatoes or sweet potatoes? How about minimally-toxic grains, like white rice? Is conventional meat okay, or is it really important to stick only to pastured animals? Is loading up on saturated fat and cholesterol cool? (This one is no longer very controversial in paleo circles; it's generally agreed that it is cool.) Is dairy good? Even if regular dairy is bad, what about raw, grass-fed dairy? Are nuts too high in phytates? And so on.My personal view is that paleo dieters, in general, tend to err on the side of being overly restrictive. I think fruits and starches are perfectly wonderful for people with decent insulin sensitivity. I think raw, grass-fed, full-fat dairy is great for lactose-tolerant people. I think properly prepared grains are fine for healthy people without gluten sensitivities. Nuts are a great source of minerals; just don't overdo them.In any case, you'll probably have to experiment a bit to find out what works best for you. But you can't go wrong by avoiding highly processed foods and emphasizing high-quality meat/eggs/fish and non-starchy vegetables. (Throw in fruit, starches, nuts, and high-quality dairy to see if they work for you. Maybe even some grains here and there.)
If I'm 5'8" 180 and I'd like to lose 20lbs, how much should I be eating in a given day?
I'd start out by saying that you should eat to satiety. Your will power, like anyone's, is limited. Trying to overcome the urge to eat to satiety will be a losing battle over the long run. The trick isn't to suppress that urge; the trick is to stick to nutritious foods that promote a properly functioning metabolism so that your appetite naturally prompts a food intake that's right for you.You'll know you're on the right track when you start to feel full a bit more easily and don't get hungry between meals. You'll start to eat less than you currently do not because your will power becomes stronger, but because that's all you're hungry for.
I also think paleo is about cooking techniques.(you alluded to this with sprouted grains). A major tenet of paleo is getting nutrients from whole foods as opposed to supplements and fortified foods. Understanding the best methods for food preparation is integral to getting the most nutrition out of food.(and avoiding anti-nutrients). I have a pretty varied diet, but I always try to eat quite a bit of raw food and avoid over-cooking certain foods.(while understanding that certain foods might actually be better cooked, e.g tomatoes.)
That's interesting; Mark Sisson seems to support supplements and protein powders. Is he alone on this?
 
I'm willing to give this a shot, mainly because I'm bored with the 4-hour diet and I'm up to my eyeballs in lentils.



One thing, I feel like the paleo is going to be more expensive. The bulk of my food will be fresh meat, veggies, and fruit. That stuff doesn't last very long. Beans are cheap and last forever. Any moneysaving tips for this mission?

Also- how good is almond milk? Is that cool for paleo?
That's one thing I noticed about this diet - when nearly every example given for a daily menu includes a ton of fresh vegetables and a steak dinner, you know it's going to be pricey. It seems like Paleo is basically a more restrictive Atkins diet, which makes me think it works better as a short-medium term weight loss program than a lifestyle change. For a sustainable lifestyle change, rather than attempting to hypothesize what our ancestors ate hundreds of thousands of years ago and then recreate it, it might be easier to emulate some of the contemporary cuisines (East Asian, French, Mediterranean) that have yielded better health outputs than the standard American diet.

 
That's interesting; Mark Sisson seems to support supplements and protein powders. Is he alone on this?
He sells them. He's pretty good about not pushing them too much. Most will tell you that it is best to get your nutrients from food sources, but there are nutrients that are difficult to get. Most paleo authors at least talk about supplementation.Paleo doesn't have to be expensive if you're willing to expand your food choices. Non-muscle cuts of meat, like liver and other offal are fairly cheap (and better for you than muscle cuts). As are bone scraps. Eggs are cheap. Fresh fruit can be expensive, but (IMO) you should be careful with fruit until you've cured your metabolic issues anyway. And of course, there's always sardines and canned tuna in a pinch. You're not going to sin against paleo by getting frozen cauliflower and broccoli either.I also wouldn't let the perfect get in the way of the good. Feedlot ground beef isn't the best choice, but if you've given up seed oils, you're already vastly improving your Omega 3 to Omega 6 ratio. So I wouldn't kill myself thinking that every cut of beef has to be pastured.
 
I'm willing to give this a shot, mainly because I'm bored with the 4-hour diet and I'm up to my eyeballs in lentils.



One thing, I feel like the paleo is going to be more expensive. The bulk of my food will be fresh meat, veggies, and fruit. That stuff doesn't last very long. Beans are cheap and last forever. Any moneysaving tips for this mission?

Also- how good is almond milk? Is that cool for paleo?
That's one thing I noticed about this diet - when nearly every example given for a daily menu includes a ton of fresh vegetables and a steak dinner, you know it's going to be pricey. It seems like Paleo is basically a more restrictive Atkins diet, which makes me think it works better as a short-medium term weight loss program than a lifestyle change. For a sustainable lifestyle change, rather than attempting to hypothesize what our ancestors ate hundreds of thousands of years ago and then recreate it, it might be easier to emulate some of the contemporary cuisines (East Asian, French, Mediterranean) that have yielded better health outputs than the standard American diet.
Chicken is cheaper than steak. Also, canned tuna and eggs are very reasonably priced.
 
That's interesting; Mark Sisson seems to support supplements and protein powders. Is he alone on this?
He sells them. He's pretty good about not pushing them too much. Most will tell you that it is best to get your nutrients from food sources, but there are nutrients that are difficult to get. Most paleo authors at least talk about supplementation.Paleo doesn't have to be expensive if you're willing to expand your food choices. Non-muscle cuts of meat, like liver and other offal are fairly cheap (and better for you than muscle cuts). As are bone scraps. Eggs are cheap. Fresh fruit can be expensive, but (IMO) you should be careful with fruit until you've cured your metabolic issues anyway. And of course, there's always sardines and canned tuna in a pinch. You're not going to sin against paleo by getting frozen cauliflower and broccoli either.I also wouldn't let the perfect get in the way of the good. Feedlot ground beef isn't the best choice, but if you've given up seed oils, you're already vastly improving your Omega 3 to Omega 6 ratio. So I wouldn't kill myself thinking that every cut of beef has to be pastured.
That's right, I did read that Mark sold supplements. I don't take any besides protein powder, which I think I will continue to do. It's such an easy, cheap way to add protein to my diet.Liver huh? Never tried it, but there's a first time for everything. Canned tuna and boneless skinless chicken thighs are staples in my kitchen, I may have to switch back to regular chicken thighs to get some fat, and the bones are full of flavor.For the last 6 months or so, my breakfast has been 2 eggs over medium, 1/2 cup black beans, 1/2 cup frozen veggies, and some bacon if I had it or leftover meat from the night before. This morning I made scrambled eggs (2) with diced onions, tomatoes, and about a cup of spinach. 2 pieces of bacon, and an orange.
 
'culdeus said:
'Beau Tocks said:
'scoobygang said:
'culdeus said:
'Chaka said:
'flufhed said:
lolpeople will believe anythingPaleo diet? Now I've heard it all.
Why is eating a diet closer to the one that we evolved on a :lol: moment for you?
Aren't we past pretending that we "evolved" on this diet. I think even the main pushers are willing to admit that now. Of course it depends on the definition of "evolved".
Obviously, there was no one paleolithic, evolutionary, or ancestral diet. The Inuits and the Kitavins historically ate very different diets. Certain principles, however, can be derived even from highly diverse diets. I do think the most thoughtful "pushers" or whatever of the paradigm understand this. I'd be far more worried about gluten grains than I'd be about rice (although I'd still avoid rice if I had significant weight to lose). I'd be far more worried about fructose than I would be about dairy unless I come from a population that has dairy sensitivities.
I have a large amount of wt. to lose (somewhere around 100 lbs.). I would like to have it gone within a years time. Is it feasible on this diet with moderate exercise? I have tried atkins with some success but did seem difficult to maintain over time. Are protien shakes with 100% whey and almond milk/fruit acceptable for breakfast meals? I really need help and have been disappointed with failure from so many diet approaches.
The funny thing is there are more and more diets out there (HCG has sort of picked up as the new fad diet after paleo) which would have you doing next to no exercise until the maintain hits. 100 in a year is quite a bit. A pound a week is the safer range that most would subscribe to. If you say 100 pounds is all fat that's 520,000 calories to spin off (1400 a day). Do you really have 1400 a day to cut?
Not sure of my current intake. Probably 3000-4500 roughly. I lead a rather sedentary lifestyle currently. I figure with execise even walking 45 min a day the 1400 cal difference is defintely doable.
His numbers are wrong, a pound of fat is roughly 3,500 calories, so 100lbs = 350,000, or 959 calories per day for a year. Track everything that you consume (weigh the portions and calculate all calories/macronutrients P/C/F) for a week or so. People are usually amazed by exactly waht and how much they're eating. Depending upon your current dietary intake that 959 calorie deficit could be a walk in the park with a clean diet.
 
'culdeus said:
'Beau Tocks said:
'scoobygang said:
'culdeus said:
'Chaka said:
'flufhed said:
lolpeople will believe anythingPaleo diet? Now I've heard it all.
Why is eating a diet closer to the one that we evolved on a :lol: moment for you?
Aren't we past pretending that we "evolved" on this diet. I think even the main pushers are willing to admit that now. Of course it depends on the definition of "evolved".
Obviously, there was no one paleolithic, evolutionary, or ancestral diet. The Inuits and the Kitavins historically ate very different diets. Certain principles, however, can be derived even from highly diverse diets. I do think the most thoughtful "pushers" or whatever of the paradigm understand this. I'd be far more worried about gluten grains than I'd be about rice (although I'd still avoid rice if I had significant weight to lose). I'd be far more worried about fructose than I would be about dairy unless I come from a population that has dairy sensitivities.
I have a large amount of wt. to lose (somewhere around 100 lbs.). I would like to have it gone within a years time. Is it feasible on this diet with moderate exercise? I have tried atkins with some success but did seem difficult to maintain over time. Are protien shakes with 100% whey and almond milk/fruit acceptable for breakfast meals? I really need help and have been disappointed with failure from so many diet approaches.
The funny thing is there are more and more diets out there (HCG has sort of picked up as the new fad diet after paleo) which would have you doing next to no exercise until the maintain hits. 100 in a year is quite a bit. A pound a week is the safer range that most would subscribe to. If you say 100 pounds is all fat that's 520,000 calories to spin off (1400 a day). Do you really have 1400 a day to cut?
Not sure of my current intake. Probably 3000-4500 roughly. I lead a rather sedentary lifestyle currently. I figure with execise even walking 45 min a day the 1400 cal difference is defintely doable.
His numbers are wrong, a pound of fat is roughly 3,500 calories, so 100lbs = 350,000, or 959 calories per day for a year. Track everything that you consume (weigh the portions and calculate all calories/macronutrients P/C/F) for a week or so. People are usually amazed by exactly waht and how much they're eating. Depending upon your current dietary intake that 959 calorie deficit could be a walk in the park with a clean diet.
I like the 5200 figure as your body fights the weight loss in starvation mode just feeding on maintenance to the desired weight you want. I should have clarified that.
 
So question for those on this.

How strict are you?

Have you literally had no rice/bread/potatoes?

Do you "cheat" sometimes? How often and with what?

I can't see myself never eating pizza again.

I often "cheat" with alcohol, and I'm ok with that. But being able to eat beans or rice would make my dinners a lot easier/more varied.

Any tips for maintaining this diet?

I'm leaning towards using it as more of a guideline than a strict, restrictive type of "diet".

Thoughts?

 
So question for those on this.How strict are you?Have you literally had no rice/bread/potatoes?Do you "cheat" sometimes? How often and with what?I can't see myself never eating pizza again.I often "cheat" with alcohol, and I'm ok with that. But being able to eat beans or rice would make my dinners a lot easier/more varied.Any tips for maintaining this diet?I'm leaning towards using it as more of a guideline than a strict, restrictive type of "diet".Thoughts?
I think it's a good plan to get to whatever weight you are shooting for and then you can tweak it and see if the pounds start to come back. Everyone's body and habits are different. But, yeah, doing this for the rest of your life would be very tough, imo.
 
So question for those on this.

How strict are you? I follow Sisson's Primal lifestyle in which I am fairly strict.

Have you literally had no rice/bread/potatoes?

I usually have half of a sweet potato after I lift and eat some white rice with sushi.

Do you "cheat" sometimes? How often and with what?

Very seldom.

I can't see myself never eating pizza again.

I made pizza with a cauliflower crust that was surprisingly good.

I often "cheat" with alcohol, and I'm ok with that. But being able to eat beans or rice would make my dinners a lot easier/more varied.

Alcohol is pretty much the worst thing that you can ingest.

Any tips for maintaining this diet?



Be creative. You can make a lot of the overly processed food primal by making them from scratch. IE Mayo, pizza, bread.

I'm leaning towards using it as more of a guideline than a strict, restrictive type of "diet".

Find what works for you. I honestly don't find it all that restrictive. I feel satisfied the majority of the time on this diet.

Thoughts?
 
So question for those on this.

How strict are you?

Have you literally had no rice/bread/potatoes?

Do you "cheat" sometimes? How often and with what?

I can't see myself never eating pizza again.

I often "cheat" with alcohol, and I'm ok with that. But being able to eat beans or rice would make my dinners a lot easier/more varied.

Any tips for maintaining this diet?

I'm leaning towards using it as more of a guideline than a strict, restrictive type of "diet".

Thoughts?
I dont know if I'm the right person to answer, because I started in May kind of quasi paleo. Substituted fiber one cereal for a quinoa breakfast cereal, and stopped eating bread sandwiches at lunch - then went "full primal" mid July. Eggs for breakfast, salad for lunch, meat and veggies (no pasta) for dinner. Anyway:How strict are you? honey in my coffee, still drink (whole organic) milk, drink (but not as much) alcohol.

Have you literally had no rice/bread/potatoes? yes, literally. not that hard, so far.

Do you "cheat" sometimes? How often and with what? yes. I had a glass of chocolate milk last night. No big deal (for me) to "cheat" occasionally.

I can't see myself never eating pizza again. primal pizza

 
So question for those on this.How strict are you?Have you literally had no rice/bread/potatoes?Do you "cheat" sometimes? How often and with what?I can't see myself never eating pizza again.I often "cheat" with alcohol, and I'm ok with that. But being able to eat beans or rice would make my dinners a lot easier/more varied.Any tips for maintaining this diet?I'm leaning towards using it as more of a guideline than a strict, restrictive type of "diet".Thoughts?
I think this is entirely context-sensitive. There is no one paleo diet. Different people do this differently. Some paleo bloggers, like Kurt Harris, are perfectly fine with rice and potatoes. I myself eat rice or potatoes once or twice a week. I also don't go out of my way to avoid legumes. I eat dairy. Now, when I had more weight to lose, I was stricter about all those things (except dairy, which I've alwasy consumed), and I also ate a lot less fruit. Cheating is a personal decision. I also couldn't imagine never eating pizza or pasta again. I can tell you that I'm almost never tempted by those things. Maybe if I didn't feel so much better without gluten grains, it would be different. Some people have pizza substitutes (there are tons of "paleo pizza" recipes. Some eat gluten-free pizza crust products (I've even seen pizzarias that have them). Some people just have pizza when they feel like it and call it their "20%" (Mark Sisson teaches that you should try to follow the program 80% and allow room to deviate). I personally end up eating a lot of Caprese salads, prosciutto, artichokes, etc. I eat a lot of "Italian." It's just a different type of Italian than I used to eat. I certainly cheat sometimes. I've been known to have some sorbet made with sugar. I've had corn tortillas (very rarely).I will say this. I'm a huge fan of paleo nutrition concepts, but I don't claim that it's the fastest or best way to lose weight for everyone. Most paleo bloggers preach against tracking calories. And if you want to lose 100 lbs, I think it makes sense to have an idea of how much you're eating. Odds are that if you're severely overweight, you have insulin issues. For you "Paleo" is going to be pretty low carb. Drop 80 of those 100 pounds and start exercising more heavily and you'll probably find yourself able to handle (and possibly even needing) more carbs. So you would then shift your focus to avoiding gluten grains and added sugar.
 
Thanks scoob.

That's good info.

I'm not really trying to lose weight.

I'm 5'8" about 158-160lbs.

I'm doing p90x.

But after years of eating whatever I wanted, my last check up wasn't great. Glucose was a shade high (101) as was cholesterol.

I just wanted to nip these problems in the bud, and this seems a good way.

I've been extremely strict with this for about 3 weeks now. But have cheated here and there.

 
'Harry Manback said:
How strict are you?

Relative question, I guess. Pretty strict, but have certainly broken or bent the rules on occasion.

Have you literally had no rice/bread/potatoes?

Outside of having a small, single piece of spicy tuna roll, or a quarter-size rip of restaurant bread, or a single french fry off my wife's plate, I have not had these items. I would guess if you combined all of the rice/bread/potatoes I have had in five months it would be less than 8 oz worth.

Do you "cheat" sometimes? How often and with what?

It's rare, but sure. A piece of high-quality chocolate, or a small scoop of really good ice cream. Maybe twice a month. I also typically have a few glasses of wine over the weekends.

I can't see myself never eating pizza again.

I had my first sliver of pizza since February last weekend. Surprisingly anti-climactic.

I often "cheat" with alcohol, and I'm ok with that. But being able to eat beans or rice would make my dinners a lot easier/more varied.

I've never been a huge fan of beans, so nothing lost for me there. You'll be surprised at how little you miss the rice when you just double your serving of vegetables. One trick I learned, however, is ricing cauliflower. Steam, then chop up finely. Season with whatever you want, and you'll think you're eating a starch.

Any tips for maintaining this diet?

- Clear everything out of your house that it not suitable to eat. Having crackers or cookies or whatever around is just too tempting.

- Go to the grocery store a lot. Only shop on the outside walls.

- Suck it up for three weeks without cheating. The process of changing your metabolism from carb to fat is miserable, but once you've done so it is very, very easy.

I'm leaning towards using it as more of a guideline than a strict, restrictive type of "diet".

See above. Give yourself 3 weeks to a month of total commitment to it, just to rewire your metabolism. After that, tweak as needed. Goes without saying, however, that the longer you are off of the bad stuff the easier it is to stay off.

Thoughts?

glllll
 
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Not a paleo guy, but I'm an Atkins guy. 115-120 pounds in 18 months and it's very close to Paleo.

Anyway - just wanted to echo the sentiment about cravings going away. After you kick your system out of whatever gear it was in when you were eating heavy starches, the urges go away.

I have no desire to eat pasta, rice, potatoes, etc. I do have 1 5 CARB Flax wrap once a day with my sandwiches and still eat cheese. Other than that - I haven't had a slice of pizza, pasta or a beer in close to a year now...and it really does get to the point where you don't miss it.

I've also turned myself into a long distance runner during this time - and don't miss the carbs. If I'm absolutely feeling like crap before a run, an occasional apple or very rarely an Atkins granola bar does the trick to get me energized. So anyway, it can be done. I was a pasta addict. Used to eat it 5-6 nights a week. I'm a bachelor and loved boiling a half point of spaghetti and just adding some sauce to it.

The one thing you CAN make on a paleo diet is a killer pot of chili...I've been tweaking my recipe for months now and have it down almost to perfection. That's what I consider an "indulgence" these days as crazy as it sounds but I look forward to it once a week on Sundays. (no beans of course)

 
'None_More_Black said:
I also think paleo is about cooking techniques.
Yes, that may not get as much attention as it should. As a general rule, cooking with low, wet heat seems to be superior to cooking with high, dry heat, for example. Eating some portion of your foods (including animal proteins) raw is also likely beneficial.
A major tenet of paleo is getting nutrients from whole foods as opposed to supplements and fortified foods.
The line between foods and supplements can be pretty blurry. Depending on how you categorize them, I either take a lot of supplements or none.If I eat cinnamon, that's a food, right? But what if I eat it in capsule form? I eat cinnamon and cayenne both in capsules because it's easier that way (and am thinking of adding turmeric to the mix). For a while I also took a garlic supplement as a tablet, but now I just eat a clove of garlic every other day or so — generally with honey and apple cider vinegar. Is that a food or a supplement? I try to eat liver about once a week, but on the days I don't eat liver, I often have some freeze-dried liver powder. Is that a food or a supplement? Along the same lines, I take other freeze-dried organs and glands as well. I consider it to be part of trying to eat nose-to-tail; but if they come in capsules, does that automatically make them supplements instead of foods?

Is fermented cod liver oil a food or a supplement? How about bee pollen? Or coconut oil? Or nutritional yeast? Or Swedish bitters?

 
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'Harry Manback said:
Have you literally had no rice/bread/potatoes?
I eat a potato or sweet potato about every other day. I don't eat rice very often, but that's not really on purpose. I don't consider potatoes or rice to be cheats. I definitely consider ordinary bread (sandwich, pizza, whatever) to be cheating. But there are a couple of breads that I eat a couple times a week (as a delivery system for thyme/oregano/sumac/olive oil/salt or for butter/honey/cinnamon) that I don't consider to be much of a cheat.I cheat pretty badly (e.g., alcohol plus pizza or Mexican food) about once every week or two.

 
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