Paleo / Primal Blueprint type diets (2 Viewers)

[Sabertooth]

Is there a good cliffs notes version of this diet that anyone would recommend? That TED talk is pretty amazing.

I've perused this blog which is pretty good but has a lot of relationship alpha/beta stuff too

http://hunter-gatherer.com/

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Is there a good cliffs notes version of this diet that anyone would recommend? That TED talk is pretty amazing.

There are so many different versions that differ in their details, but here's a short one that is pretty good.http://www.archevore.com/get-started/

 

[Sabertooth]

Is there a good cliffs notes version of this diet that anyone would recommend? That TED talk is pretty amazing.

There are so many different versions that differ in their details, but here's a short one that is pretty good.http://www.archevore.com/get-started/

Thanks, interesting reading.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Mat Lalonde:

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[BRONG]

Mat Lalonde:

The dude on the left is in love with the dude on the right. HTH

 

[YSR]

Dipping my toe into this right now, so

 

[GreatLakesMike]

Dipping my toe into this right now, so

I'm considering it myself. I've been limiting carbs and overall food consumption, but sitting on my ### all day in an office and driving 45 to 60 minutes to work each way is not leaving me with much time for other things. Been trying to walk at least 30 minutes each night, but when it's dark, cold, and snowing.... well, I'm a big bagina and wuss out. Certainly wouldn't hurt to give something new a chance.

 

[YSR]

MarksDailyApple has been down for a couple of days for maintenance. I've bought Sisson's book on the Kindle, as well has his cookbook. I'm easing in to the book, trying to learn as much as I can versus just skimming. I'm on board with the general theory of not eating processed foods, and I have really, really enjoyed Maurile's succinct posts on this (thank you, MT).

That said, it will be a process for me. I am not going to be able to go 100%, or even 80% at first, but I started last night with a couple of recipes out of the cookbook. I grilled a NY strip with salt and pepper. But then, more importantly (to me), I did his creamed kale recipe (will try to find online). Wow. Of course, the recipe is all about butter and heavy cream, but this might be a decent one for Dr J if he's still looking into this diet. Apparently kale is a "superfood" and if you throw in some onion, this is an amazing dish. I had never had kale before, and my vegetable-averse husband commented several times about how good it was.

Being naive, I was confused about the butter and the cream, thinking that this diet has you shy away from those, but I guess they are just considered fats, and that's good? Someone more knowledgeable please let me know, as I'd hate to eat this 3x/week and be doing the wrong thing.

 

[mr roboto]

The one I'm going on is against lactose. Also, no legumes. It's a 30 day super-strict, no cheat, then you can add dairy back in a bit and see how you feel.

I LOVE good cheese. That's gonna be as hard as the no bread/pasta/rice.

 

[YSR]

MarksDailyApple has been down for a couple of days for maintenance. I've bought Sisson's book on the Kindle, as well has his cookbook. I'm easing in to the book, trying to learn as much as I can versus just skimming. I'm on board with the general theory of not eating processed foods, and I have really, really enjoyed Maurile's succinct posts on this (thank you, MT).That said, it will be a process for me. I am not going to be able to go 100%, or even 80% at first, but I started last night with a couple of recipes out of the cookbook. I grilled a NY strip with salt and pepper. But then, more importantly (to me), I did his creamed kale recipe (will try to find online). Wow. Of course, the recipe is all about butter and heavy cream, but this might be a decent one for Dr J if he's still looking into this diet. Apparently kale is a "superfood" and if you throw in some onion, this is an amazing dish. I had never had kale before, and my vegetable-averse husband commented several times about how good it was.Being naive, I was confused about the butter and the cream, thinking that this diet has you shy away from those, but I guess they are just considered fats, and that's good? Someone more knowledgeable please let me know, as I'd hate to eat this 3x/week and be doing the wrong thing.

I'll let someone more knowledgeable answer your question, but my wife makes a kale dish that's really simple and really good - she cooks up some ground turkey and garlic (lots of garlic), then mixes in kale and pine nuts at the end. Highly recommended.

Little more on this if you can. Heats, length of cooking, when to put in turkey, and all that. I actually broiled some kale yesterday afternoon, with some EVOO, salt and pepper, and enjoyed that as well. It might be my new favorite food, if I know more ways to cook it.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Being naive, I was confused about the butter and the cream, thinking that this diet has you shy away from those, but I guess they are just considered fats, and that's good? Someone more knowledgeable please let me know, as I'd hate to eat this 3x/week and be doing the wrong thing.

Gary Taubes Good Calories Bad Calories is foundational reading on this topic. Sisson goes to Taubes throughout Primal Blueprint. Finishing PB before jumping into the recipe books will answer your questions. But yeah, saturated animal fats are your friend in reasonable doses. Seed/veggie/legume fats are the enemy. Mmmm bacon. I cook with lard, tallow, ghee, butter, coconut oil, palm oil and olive oil. Olive oil at very low temps or unheated. I don't go near margarines, spreads, soybean oil, 'vegetable' oil, corn oil, canola oil, etc.

Dairy is a fine source of nutrition and energy if you tolerate it. An elimination diet ala Roboto is a great way to find out if dairy is for you. I culture several dairy products in my home and even lactose intolerant people (my mom) have no trouble consuming them -- sour cream, yogurt, creme fraiche, etc. Raw dairy, milk and cheese specifically, seems a much better way to go. Tremblay has discussed that many times. It gets costly.

Primal eating simplified is an elimination diet with a 20% cushion.

Eliminate grains

Eliminate polyunsaturated processed refined fats (those oils)

Eliminate processed sugars, minimize very sweet fruits

To do so you practically eliminate everything in boxes, cartons, cans, bottles and bags.

 

[YSR]

Being naive, I was confused about the butter and the cream, thinking that this diet has you shy away from those, but I guess they are just considered fats, and that's good? Someone more knowledgeable please let me know, as I'd hate to eat this 3x/week and be doing the wrong thing.

Gary Taubes Good Calories Bad Calories is foundational reading on this topic. Sisson goes to Taubes throughout Primal Blueprint. Finishing PB before jumping into the recipe books will answer your questions. But yeah, saturated animal fats are your friend in reasonable doses. Seed/veggie/legume fats are the enemy. Mmmm bacon. I cook with lard, tallow, ghee, butter, coconut oil, palm oil and olive oil. Olive oil at very low temps or unheated. I don't go near margarines, spreads, soybean oil, 'vegetable' oil, corn oil, canola oil, etc.

Dairy is a fine source of nutrition and energy if you tolerate it. An elimination diet ala Roboto is a great way to find out if dairy is for you. I culture several dairy products in my home and even lactose intolerant people (my mom) have no trouble consuming them -- sour cream, yogurt, creme fraiche, etc. Raw dairy, milk and cheese specifically, seems a much better way to go. Tremblay has discussed that many times. It gets costly.

Primal eating simplified is an elimination diet with a 20% cushion.

Eliminate grains

Eliminate polyunsaturated processed refined fats (those oils)

Eliminate processed sugars, minimize very sweet fruits

To do so you practically eliminate everything in boxes, cartons, cans, bottles and bags.

Many thanks. I'm plodding my way through in an effort not only to absorb, but be able to explain to my husband. I hope to finish it soon and have a good understanding of the recipes I'm using.

 

[wertwert]

I've also been following a paleo diet and has been reading up on Dave Asprey's blog http://www.bulletproofexec.com/

He considers his version an upgraded Paleo diet with an emphasis on the source of the foods, diet of animals, intermittent fasting, and a higher consumption of fats.

Here's a nice chart which shows what foods are good to eat and wat foods to avoid

http://www.bulletproofexec.com/the-complete-illustrated-one-page-bulletproof-diet/

Source of the foods:

Dave is highly allergic to mold. Todays food travel thousands of miles, before it hits out dinner table. Due to improper storage, handling, and time, our foods may have microscopic mold. When we consume thse foods, it can increase inflammation in the body.

Diet of animals

As MT pointed out earlier, certain animals consume certain foods. For cows, corn was not in their original diet. If they maintained a corn only diet they would eventually die. I think it was on the documentary Food Inc that stated cow would not live past 3 years, but are sent to slaughter well before that.

Intermittent fasting

Our hunter-gather ancestors went through long stretches without food. A modern day spin would be to fast for a 24 hour period. So if dinner was at 6 pm, your next meal would be 6 pm the following day. Coffee, tea, and water are allowed during the fast. I've been doing it now and it's no problem. I kinda like it cause thats my most productive day. I get a ton of work done to keep mu mind off of eating.

 

[Chaka]

Linking another conversation that started in the agents inspecting school lunches thread. I thought the discussion would probably fit in better here.

If they're trying to do something about childhood obesity, the cafeteria isn't where they need to be. It's in the gym. Do schools even do the president fitness test thing? I bet they just make the fatties walk around the gym until the bell rings while the other kids actually participate in whatever they're doing.

This is so incorrect.I said it earlier in the thread. I'll say it again. Diet is 80% of the problem.

Pushing carbs and dairy (both of which increase insulin response greatly) and allowing soda, candy etc. leads to obesity FAR MORE than whether or not they are playing dodgeball. You can't out-run (or out-bike, swim etc.) what you eat. A can of Soda has about 1-1.5 miles worth of jogging in it, and it messes with your metabolism and hormone levels.

A kid who is relatively inactive, but eats well, will not be fat. A child who plays a lot, but eats a SAD (standard American diet) will be heavier (adjusted for heredity). I guarantee it.

As long as you guarantee it.I pretty much grew up on McNuggets, Twinkies and soda. I've always been active. I've never been even close to 'pudgy' let alone obese.

Diet and exercise go hand in hand. Unfortunately, one diet doesn't fit all, while one workout does.

There are plenty of people who don't have a problem eating junk and staying thin but it's most likely not because of your activity level. And one workout certainly does not fit all.The Paleo/Primal thread is probably a good place to take this discussion because it is a long one.

Been there and am pretty skeptical of that diet as well. Plus, if there are plenty of people who don't have a problem eating junk and staying thin, why would we foist upon them these regulations? Are they fit?One workout (simple exercise/walking/running) is certainly more likely to 'fit all' than one diet. But hey, let's continue to allow the government to tell us what we can and can't do with our bodies.

I am not sure if the thin people eating junk and not exercising would be considered fit but they are thin. We all know a couple of these people. And I think there is a way of eating that would work for most everyone, just like your idea of working out.I am opposed to what happened in the OP so let's not confuse my point about exercise vs diet. I am also not arguing against exercise, I workout 3 out of 4 days myself. What I am saying is that the notion of creating a caloric deficit, either through calorie restriction or increased activity, has been shown multiple times not to be an effective means of sustainable weight loss. There have been many studies that demonstrate that diets unrestricted in calories can still result in weight loss regardless of activity level. In those studies it was where the calories came from that was the determining factor of weight loss. The calories in = calories out mantra may in fact be incorrect.

The principle diet of most Americans involves massive amounts of processed foods containing mostly refined white starches (fortified with all manner of laboratory created corn based additives), cruelly treated livestock raised in a way that significantly decreases their nutritional content, very few fruits and almost no vegetables. We have been deluded into thinking that ketchup is a vegetable for goodness sake. And while our voluntary physical activity has most likely declined, as a whole, we are running around simply managing our daily lives more than ever (because we spend more hours at work than almost every other advanced economy in the world). It's not just the poor and lazy that are trending towards obesity, it's also people who bust their ### every day to keep their lives in order. Plenty of people in the FFA are prime examples of this. Anyone want to testify?

This is a relatively new development for us (starting in earnest in the 50s) and considering the trend of rising obesity it is obvious that we are doing something wrong. I am all for increasing the level of activity for our children, and Americans in general, but we need to reform our entire food system and beliefs in what is truly healthy to eat (the science upon which we currently base our definitions of healthy eating is at least incomplete and at the worst criminally flawed.) if we want to see any sort sustainable change.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

Linking another conversation that started in the agents inspecting school lunches thread. I thought the discussion would probably fit in better here.

If they're trying to do something about childhood obesity, the cafeteria isn't where they need to be. It's in the gym. Do schools even do the president fitness test thing? I bet they just make the fatties walk around the gym until the bell rings while the other kids actually participate in whatever they're doing.

This is so incorrect.I said it earlier in the thread. I'll say it again. Diet is 80% of the problem.

Pushing carbs and dairy (both of which increase insulin response greatly) and allowing soda, candy etc. leads to obesity FAR MORE than whether or not they are playing dodgeball. You can't out-run (or out-bike, swim etc.) what you eat. A can of Soda has about 1-1.5 miles worth of jogging in it, and it messes with your metabolism and hormone levels.

A kid who is relatively inactive, but eats well, will not be fat. A child who plays a lot, but eats a SAD (standard American diet) will be heavier (adjusted for heredity). I guarantee it.

As long as you guarantee it.I pretty much grew up on McNuggets, Twinkies and soda. I've always been active. I've never been even close to 'pudgy' let alone obese.

Diet and exercise go hand in hand. Unfortunately, one diet doesn't fit all, while one workout does.

There are plenty of people who don't have a problem eating junk and staying thin but it's most likely not because of your activity level. And one workout certainly does not fit all.The Paleo/Primal thread is probably a good place to take this discussion because it is a long one.

Been there and am pretty skeptical of that diet as well. Plus, if there are plenty of people who don't have a problem eating junk and staying thin, why would we foist upon them these regulations? Are they fit?One workout (simple exercise/walking/running) is certainly more likely to 'fit all' than one diet. But hey, let's continue to allow the government to tell us what we can and can't do with our bodies.

I am not sure if the thin people eating junk and not exercising would be considered fit but they are thin. We all know a couple of these people. And I think there is a way of eating that would work for most everyone, just like your idea of working out.I am opposed to what happened in the OP so let's not confuse my point about exercise vs diet. I am also not arguing against exercise, I workout 3 out of 4 days myself. What I am saying is that the notion of creating a caloric deficit, either through calorie restriction or increased activity, has been shown multiple times not to be an effective means of sustainable weight loss. There have been many studies that demonstrate that diets unrestricted in calories can still result in weight loss regardless of activity level. In those studies it was where the calories came from that was the determining factor of weight loss. The calories in = calories out mantra may in fact be incorrect.

The principle diet of most Americans involves massive amounts of processed foods containing mostly refined white starches (fortified with all manner of laboratory created corn based additives), cruelly treated livestock raised in a way that significantly decreases their nutritional content, very few fruits and almost no vegetables. We have been deluded into thinking that ketchup is a vegetable for goodness sake. And while our voluntary physical activity has most likely declined, as a whole, we are running around simply managing our daily lives more than ever (because we spend more hours at work than almost every other advanced economy in the world). It's not just the poor and lazy that are trending towards obesity, it's also people who bust their ### every day to keep their lives in order. Plenty of people in the FFA are prime examples of this. Anyone want to testify?

This is a relatively new development for us (starting in earnest in the 50s) and considering the trend of rising obesity it is obvious that we are doing something wrong. I am all for increasing the level of activity for our children, and Americans in general, but we need to reform our entire food system and beliefs in what is truly healthy to eat (the science upon which we currently base our definitions of healthy eating is at least incomplete and at the worst criminally flawed.) if we want to see any sort sustainable change.

There is a whole lot in this post to respond to and I don't have the time or energy to do it all.1. I don't disagree people, as a general rule, need to improve their diets and moderate consumption of processed food. Note: for most, moderation works.

2. You speak of weight loss. I am talking in terms of weight gain. Kids, in general, don't start fat. Keep them active and moderate diet and it will work for damn near 90%.

3. I would argue that a person who works out, stays skinny and eats 'processed food' is healthier than the person who does not work out, follows this diet and loses weight. Again, neither is the panacea.

4. You've got some correlation/causation problems in here. I've expressed my skepticism before with the basic premises of the paleo diet and Maurile even acknowledged them. I'm not saying it doesn't bear results...for many, but again, it isn't for all and processed foods, in moderation, shouldn't be demonized except by people with celiacs and related diseases.

5. Regardless, administrators shouldn't substitute their judgment for a parents absent serious showing of abuse. Why should my healthy, skinny child be subjected to the rules of consumption imposed by an administrator who a) no doubt does not have the educational background to be and authority and b) does not have my blessing to do so. Classic overreaching.

 

[Chaka]

There is a whole lot in this post to respond to and I don't have the time or energy to do it all.1. I don't disagree people, as a general rule, need to improve their diets and moderate consumption of processed food. Note: for most, moderation works.2. You speak of weight loss. I am talking in terms of weight gain. Kids, in general, don't start fat. Keep them active and moderate diet and it will work for damn near 90%.3. I would argue that a person who works out, stays skinny and eats 'processed food' is healthier than the person who does not work out, follows this diet and loses weight. Again, neither is the panacea. 4. You've got some correlation/causation problems in here. I've expressed my skepticism before with the basic premises of the paleo diet and Maurile even acknowledged them. I'm not saying it doesn't bear results...for many, but again, it isn't for all and processed foods, in moderation, shouldn't be demonized except by people with celiacs and related diseases.5. Regardless, administrators shouldn't substitute their judgment for a parents absent serious showing of abuse. Why should my healthy, skinny child be subjected to the rules of consumption imposed by an administrator who a) no doubt does not have the educational background to be and authority and b) does not have my blessing to do so. Classic overreaching.

1) The moderation argument also has not held up to scrutiny if the moderate diet also includes the majority of carbohydrates from processed grains and sweeteners. If moderation means most carbs are coming from plant sources then I won't argue.2) The reverse is true as well, I just mentioned weight loss. There are many examples of people who restrict their calories but still gain weight. And I should probably not focus on weight as overall health is the real issue (diabetes, cancer, heart disease etc). Diet is the driving factor not exercise. Again I am not bashing exercise I am just trying to drive home that exercise is a separate issue from weight loss/gain/maintenance.3) It might be true but I think the proof would lie in disease rates not fitness tables.4) Again there are flaws with the moderation arguments that have been demonstrated by disease rates in populations that are recently change from traditional diets to the S.A.D. They don't necessarily eat more calories but they seem to invariably end up with more disease.5) I totally agree but even you caveat your statement with "...healthy, skinny child..." I think what caused my initial response to you was when you said

Short of me sending the kid in with strychnine with a side of meth, stay the EFF out of my decisions as to what I feed my kid.

I know you were being hyperbolic but I think the line exists and it is drawn before strychnine and meth. If what you are feeding your child turns them into an 8 year old type 2 diabetic (most likely fat but not necessarily so) does that qualify as child abuse? At what point should society step in? I honestly don't know the answer to this because no parent sets out to turn their child into a diabetic, it generally rises from not knowing how to prevent it (and our current system of reliance on Big Ag isn't helping).Also I am not promoting Paleo as a panacea, there is still a ton to be learned and I agree that one diet won't work for everyone. But it is difficult to argue that, even a calorically balanced S.A.D. diet with its reliance on heavily processed foods would be beneficial from a health perspective and it is just as difficult to argue that a Paleo diet of mostly unprocessed food would be harmful.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

5) I totally agree but even you caveat your statement with "...healthy, skinny child..." I think what caused my initial response to you was when you said

Short of me sending the kid in with strychnine with a side of meth, stay the EFF out of my decisions as to what I feed my kid.

I know you were being hyperbolic but I think the line exists and it is drawn before strychnine and meth. If what you are feeding your child turns them into an 8 year old type 2 diabetic (most likely fat but not necessarily so) does that qualify as child abuse? At what point should society step in? I honestly don't know the answer to this because no parent sets out to turn their child into a diabetic, it generally rises from not knowing how to prevent it (and our current system of reliance on Big Ag isn't helping).

The program in question applies to all students, not just the ones with health problems/issues. Don't create solutions that take away parenting rights where there is no base problem to deal with. It is tantamount to removing all kids from their homes because some kids are abused and information suggests that of the kids that are abused, a high percentage of those are abused in their homes.I am not arguing that diet is unimportant. I'm more arguing against control by the state where they have no right to control.

 

[Chaka]

5) I totally agree but even you caveat your statement with "...healthy, skinny child..." I think what caused my initial response to you was when you said

Short of me sending the kid in with strychnine with a side of meth, stay the EFF out of my decisions as to what I feed my kid.

I know you were being hyperbolic but I think the line exists and it is drawn before strychnine and meth. If what you are feeding your child turns them into an 8 year old type 2 diabetic (most likely fat but not necessarily so) does that qualify as child abuse? At what point should society step in? I honestly don't know the answer to this because no parent sets out to turn their child into a diabetic, it generally rises from not knowing how to prevent it (and our current system of reliance on Big Ag isn't helping).

The program in question applies to all students, not just the ones with health problems/issues. Don't create solutions that take away parenting rights where there is no base problem to deal with. It is tantamount to removing all kids from their homes because some kids are abused and information suggests that of the kids that are abused, a high percentage of those are abused in their homes.I am not arguing that diet is unimportant. I'm more arguing against control by the state where they have no right to control.

I have no problem with anything you just wrote. But if we're going in that direction I'll take it back to the other thread.Cheers

 

[Sabertooth]

I'm considering jumping into this full on. I'm getting a puppy for me and the kids. I should be pretty much done working for the summer here in the next month. I'm ready for a challenge.

 

[Slapdash]

State Threatens to Shut Down Nutrition BloggerNutrition board says he needs a license to advocate dietary approachesBy Sara BurrowsApr. 23rd, 2012Share on facebookShare on twitterShare on emailShare on favoritesShare on printShare on google_plusoneMore | CHARLOTTE — The North Carolina Board of Dietetics/Nutrition is threatening to send a blogger to jail for recounting publicly his battle against diabetes and encouraging others to follow his lifestyle. Chapter 90, Article 25 of the North Carolina General Statutes makes it a misdemeanor to “practice dietetics or nutrition” without a license. According to the law, “practicing” nutrition includes “assessing the nutritional needs of individuals and groups” and “providing nutrition counseling.”Steve Cooksey has learned that the definition, at least in the eyes of the state board, is expansive.When he was hospitalized with diabetes in February 2009, he decided to avoid the fate of his grandmother, who eventually died of the disease. He embraced the low-carb, high-protein Paleo diet, also known as the “caveman” or “hunter-gatherer” diet. The diet, he said, made him drug- and insulin-free within 30 days. By May of that year, he had lost 45 pounds and decided to start a blog about his success. But this past January the state diatetics and nutrition board decided Cooksey’s blog — Diabetes-Warrior.net — violated state law. The nutritional advice Cooksey provides on the site amounts to “practicing nutrition,” the board’s director says, and in North Carolina that’s something you need a license to do. Unless Cooksey completely rewrites his 3-year-old blog, he could be sued by the licensing board. If he loses the lawsuit and refuses to take down the blog, he could face up to 120 days in jail.The board’s director says Cooksey has a First Amendment right to blog about his diet, but he can’t encourage others to adopt it unless the state has certified him as a dietitian or nutritionist.The seminarJan. 12, Cooksey attended a nutrition seminar at a church in Charlotte. The speaker was the director of diabetes services for a local hospital. “She was giving all the wrong information, just like everyone always does — carbs are OK to eat, we must eat carbs to live, promoting low-fat, etc.,” Cooksey said. “So I spoke up.” After the meeting he handed out a couple of business cards pointing people to his website. Three days later, he got a call from the director of the nutrition board.“Basically, she told me I could not give out nutritional advice without a license,” Cooksey said. He said she also told him that his website was being investigated and gave him some suggestions about how to bring it into compliance. If he does not go along, the board could file an injunction and “essentially shut the website down,” Cooksey said. The lawCharla Burill, the board’s director, told Carolina Journal she could not discuss the details of Cooksey’s case because his website is still under investigation, but agreed to talk about the law in the hypothetical.It’s not necessarily against the law to give your sister or your friend nutritional advice, she said. And it’s not necessarily against the law to use a blog to tell people what they should eat. Where it crosses the line, Burill said, is when a blogger “advertises himself as an expert” and “takes information from someone such that he’s performing some sort of assessment and then giving it back with some sort of plan or diet.” Cooksey posted a link (6.3 MB PDF download) to the board’s review of his website. The document shows several Web pages the board took issue with, including a question-and-answer page, which the director had marked in red ink noting the places he was “assessing and counseling” readers of his blog. “If people are writing you with diabetic specific questions and you are responding, you are no longer just providing information — you are counseling,” she wrote. “You need a license to provide this service." The board also found fault with a page titled “My Meal Plan,” where Cooksey details what he eats daily. In red, Burril writes, “It is acceptable to provide just this information [his meal plan], but when you start recommending it directly to people you speak to or who write you, you are now providing diabetic counseling, which requires a license.”The board also directed Cooksey to remove a link offering one-on-one support, a personal-training type of service he offered for a small fee. Cooksey posts the following disclaimer at the bottom of every page on his website:“I am not a doctor, dietitian, nor nutritionist … in fact I have no medical training of any kind.”In fact, he brags about his lack of formal training throughout his blog. “It’s so simple,” he told CJ. “I cut carbs, I reduced my drugs and insulin until I didn’t need them at all. If I can figure that out, why in the hell can’t all these other people [in the medical field]?”Burill said the disclaimer may not protect a nutrition blogger from the law. “If I’ve given you reason to not worry that I don’t have a license because I have all these other reasons I’m an expert, you could still harm the public,” she said. “At least you’re not trying to mislead the public, but you’re trying to get the public to trust you.”It’s a fine line between what’s legal and what’s not when it comes to talking about nutrition. “Anyone can talk about anything they want,” Burill said. “That’s a First Amendment right, so to speak.” For example, a person could write a blog advocating vegetarianism, she said. “Now if you advertised that you’d taken classes in nutrition, you’ve worked at [the federal government’s Food and Nutrition Service] for three years, and you say ‘I believe everyone should be a vegetarian, and I’m here to help you if you want to change your diet’ [that could be crossing the line],” Burill said.“A vegetarian diet would be a little bit harder [to prosecute] because a vegetarian is not really like a medical diet.”Burill said if Cooksey refuses to come into compliance with the law, the board could file for an injunction. Free speechDeclan McCullagh, a CBSNews.com correspondent who writes about online free speech, says the board probably is violating Cooksey’s First Amendment rights. “The First Amendment says state and federal governments ‘shall make no law’ abridging freedom of speech,” McCullagh said. “It doesn't say ‘except for what annoys the North Carolina Board of Dietetics and Nutrition.’”McCullagh pointed to a sentence in Cooksey’s blog the board didn’t approve of: “I do suggest that your friend eat as I do and exercise the best they can.”“If that language appeared in a book or a magazine article, do you think the board would complain?” McCullagh asked. “How about if someone said that to a friend over dinner at a restaurant? Of course not. But because it's on the Web, they seem to think that the First Amendment no longer applies.”McCullagh said the board may be on more solid ground in its complaint about the telephone support packages Cooksey offers. “But … if customers are paying $97 or $149 or $197 a month to have someone listen, that sounds a lot like life coaching, which doesn't require a license.”“In general, I think that as long as someone is very clear that they're not a licensed dietician, state officials can probably find better uses of their time,” he said. Cooksey said the board both has violated his freedom of speech and done a disservice to the people of North Carolina. He said all he’s trying to do with his blog is provide an alternative to the nutritional advice pushed by mainstream sources on what they say people should be eating. Cooksey said he’s seeking legal assistance in case the state decides to take further action against him.

This is one of the most ridiculous things I've read recently.

 

[mr roboto]

Doesn't surprise me. Professional organizations protect their own.

 

[Sabertooth]

State Threatens to Shut Down Nutrition BloggerNutrition board says he needs a license to advocate dietary approachesBy Sara BurrowsApr. 23rd, 2012Share on facebookShare on twitterShare on emailShare on favoritesShare on printShare on google_plusoneMore | CHARLOTTE — The North Carolina Board of Dietetics/Nutrition is threatening to send a blogger to jail for recounting publicly his battle against diabetes and encouraging others to follow his lifestyle. Chapter 90, Article 25 of the North Carolina General Statutes makes it a misdemeanor to “practice dietetics or nutrition” without a license. According to the law, “practicing” nutrition includes “assessing the nutritional needs of individuals and groups” and “providing nutrition counseling.”Steve Cooksey has learned that the definition, at least in the eyes of the state board, is expansive.When he was hospitalized with diabetes in February 2009, he decided to avoid the fate of his grandmother, who eventually died of the disease. He embraced the low-carb, high-protein Paleo diet, also known as the “caveman” or “hunter-gatherer” diet. The diet, he said, made him drug- and insulin-free within 30 days. By May of that year, he had lost 45 pounds and decided to start a blog about his success. But this past January the state diatetics and nutrition board decided Cooksey’s blog — Diabetes-Warrior.net — violated state law. The nutritional advice Cooksey provides on the site amounts to “practicing nutrition,” the board’s director says, and in North Carolina that’s something you need a license to do. Unless Cooksey completely rewrites his 3-year-old blog, he could be sued by the licensing board. If he loses the lawsuit and refuses to take down the blog, he could face up to 120 days in jail.The board’s director says Cooksey has a First Amendment right to blog about his diet, but he can’t encourage others to adopt it unless the state has certified him as a dietitian or nutritionist.The seminarJan. 12, Cooksey attended a nutrition seminar at a church in Charlotte. The speaker was the director of diabetes services for a local hospital. “She was giving all the wrong information, just like everyone always does — carbs are OK to eat, we must eat carbs to live, promoting low-fat, etc.,” Cooksey said. “So I spoke up.” After the meeting he handed out a couple of business cards pointing people to his website. Three days later, he got a call from the director of the nutrition board.“Basically, she told me I could not give out nutritional advice without a license,” Cooksey said. He said she also told him that his website was being investigated and gave him some suggestions about how to bring it into compliance. If he does not go along, the board could file an injunction and “essentially shut the website down,” Cooksey said. The lawCharla Burill, the board’s director, told Carolina Journal she could not discuss the details of Cooksey’s case because his website is still under investigation, but agreed to talk about the law in the hypothetical.It’s not necessarily against the law to give your sister or your friend nutritional advice, she said. And it’s not necessarily against the law to use a blog to tell people what they should eat. Where it crosses the line, Burill said, is when a blogger “advertises himself as an expert” and “takes information from someone such that he’s performing some sort of assessment and then giving it back with some sort of plan or diet.” Cooksey posted a link (6.3 MB PDF download) to the board’s review of his website. The document shows several Web pages the board took issue with, including a question-and-answer page, which the director had marked in red ink noting the places he was “assessing and counseling” readers of his blog. “If people are writing you with diabetic specific questions and you are responding, you are no longer just providing information — you are counseling,” she wrote. “You need a license to provide this service." The board also found fault with a page titled “My Meal Plan,” where Cooksey details what he eats daily. In red, Burril writes, “It is acceptable to provide just this information [his meal plan], but when you start recommending it directly to people you speak to or who write you, you are now providing diabetic counseling, which requires a license.”The board also directed Cooksey to remove a link offering one-on-one support, a personal-training type of service he offered for a small fee. Cooksey posts the following disclaimer at the bottom of every page on his website:“I am not a doctor, dietitian, nor nutritionist … in fact I have no medical training of any kind.”In fact, he brags about his lack of formal training throughout his blog. “It’s so simple,” he told CJ. “I cut carbs, I reduced my drugs and insulin until I didn’t need them at all. If I can figure that out, why in the hell can’t all these other people [in the medical field]?”Burill said the disclaimer may not protect a nutrition blogger from the law. “If I’ve given you reason to not worry that I don’t have a license because I have all these other reasons I’m an expert, you could still harm the public,” she said. “At least you’re not trying to mislead the public, but you’re trying to get the public to trust you.”It’s a fine line between what’s legal and what’s not when it comes to talking about nutrition. “Anyone can talk about anything they want,” Burill said. “That’s a First Amendment right, so to speak.” For example, a person could write a blog advocating vegetarianism, she said. “Now if you advertised that you’d taken classes in nutrition, you’ve worked at [the federal government’s Food and Nutrition Service] for three years, and you say ‘I believe everyone should be a vegetarian, and I’m here to help you if you want to change your diet’ [that could be crossing the line],” Burill said.“A vegetarian diet would be a little bit harder [to prosecute] because a vegetarian is not really like a medical diet.”Burill said if Cooksey refuses to come into compliance with the law, the board could file for an injunction. Free speechDeclan McCullagh, a CBSNews.com correspondent who writes about online free speech, says the board probably is violating Cooksey’s First Amendment rights. “The First Amendment says state and federal governments ‘shall make no law’ abridging freedom of speech,” McCullagh said. “It doesn't say ‘except for what annoys the North Carolina Board of Dietetics and Nutrition.’”McCullagh pointed to a sentence in Cooksey’s blog the board didn’t approve of: “I do suggest that your friend eat as I do and exercise the best they can.”“If that language appeared in a book or a magazine article, do you think the board would complain?” McCullagh asked. “How about if someone said that to a friend over dinner at a restaurant? Of course not. But because it's on the Web, they seem to think that the First Amendment no longer applies.”McCullagh said the board may be on more solid ground in its complaint about the telephone support packages Cooksey offers. “But … if customers are paying $97 or $149 or $197 a month to have someone listen, that sounds a lot like life coaching, which doesn't require a license.”“In general, I think that as long as someone is very clear that they're not a licensed dietician, state officials can probably find better uses of their time,” he said. Cooksey said the board both has violated his freedom of speech and done a disservice to the people of North Carolina. He said all he’s trying to do with his blog is provide an alternative to the nutritional advice pushed by mainstream sources on what they say people should be eating. Cooksey said he’s seeking legal assistance in case the state decides to take further action against him.

This is one of the most ridiculous things I've read recently.

It makes total sense that government officials in the pocket of big Ag would try this. Hopefully somebody can archive his site. Just a treasure trove of information.

 

[GreatLakesMike]

Read through this entire thread and just from "almost" eliminating grains and canned goods, I've lost 15 pounds over the past 2 months. I never ate too many canned goods anyway, basically just black olives. I buy green olives from the jar as well. Does anyone know a better way to buy olives?

I'll be buying Sisson's book this weekend and maybe a few of the others mentioned. I feel a lot better and I don't even feel like I'm dieting. I've been eating a lot of English Walnuts, Almonds, making different salads with tomatoes, onions, cucumbers, peppers, etc., eating berries, and of course, not neglecting meat.

 

[Sabertooth]

Read through this entire thread and just from "almost" eliminating grains and canned goods, I've lost 15 pounds over the past 2 months. I never ate too many canned goods anyway, basically just black olives. I buy green olives from the jar as well. Does anyone know a better way to buy olives?I'll be buying Sisson's book this weekend and maybe a few of the others mentioned. I feel a lot better and I don't even feel like I'm dieting. I've been eating a lot of English Walnuts, Almonds, making different salads with tomatoes, onions, cucumbers, peppers, etc., eating berries, and of course, not neglecting meat.

The 21 Day book is a much quicker read and hits all the high points. I bought the other one first, read part way, bought the 21 day and finished it in couple days and never went back to the other one. just FYI

 

[-jb-]

Read through this entire thread and just from "almost" eliminating grains and canned goods, I've lost 15 pounds over the past 2 months. I never ate too many canned goods anyway, basically just black olives. I buy green olives from the jar as well. Does anyone know a better way to buy olives?

Congrats. I don't think buying olives in the can is a big deal. I love black olives and will crush a can as a snack. Who's gonna stop me (or you)?

 

[GreatLakesMike]

Read through this entire thread and just from "almost" eliminating grains and canned goods, I've lost 15 pounds over the past 2 months. I never ate too many canned goods anyway, basically just black olives. I buy green olives from the jar as well. Does anyone know a better way to buy olives?I'll be buying Sisson's book this weekend and maybe a few of the others mentioned. I feel a lot better and I don't even feel like I'm dieting. I've been eating a lot of English Walnuts, Almonds, making different salads with tomatoes, onions, cucumbers, peppers, etc., eating berries, and of course, not neglecting meat.

The 21 Day book is a much quicker read and hits all the high points. I bought the other one first, read part way, bought the 21 day and finished it in couple days and never went back to the other one. just FYI

Thanks. I'll check it out. I am interested in the historical side of things as well, so is Sisson's book worth buying for that aspect?"

 

[GreatLakesMike]

Read through this entire thread and just from "almost" eliminating grains and canned goods, I've lost 15 pounds over the past 2 months. I never ate too many canned goods anyway, basically just black olives. I buy green olives from the jar as well. Does anyone know a better way to buy olives?

Congrats. I don't think buying olives in the can is a big deal. I love black olives and will crush a can as a snack. Who's gonna stop me (or you)?

Thanks. The only way I'd stop you is so I can eat them. I love mushrooms and olives.

 

[Chaka]

Read through this entire thread and just from "almost" eliminating grains and canned goods, I've lost 15 pounds over the past 2 months. I never ate too many canned goods anyway, basically just black olives. I buy green olives from the jar as well. Does anyone know a better way to buy olives?

I'll be buying Sisson's book this weekend and maybe a few of the others mentioned. I feel a lot better and I don't even feel like I'm dieting. I've been eating a lot of English Walnuts, Almonds, making different salads with tomatoes, onions, cucumbers, peppers, etc., eating berries, and of course, not neglecting meat.

The 21 Day book is a much quicker read and hits all the high points. I bought the other one first, read part way, bought the 21 day and finished it in couple days and never went back to the other one. just FYI

Thanks. I'll check it out. I am interested in the historical side of things as well, so is Sisson's book worth buying for that aspect?"

The full book is an easy read and will give you a fair bit of the historical arguments but if you really want to get into the history of it I recommend Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes. It would be very difficult to get a much deeper historical retelling of how and why we adopted our current, and misguided, beliefs about eating. It makes a case for, perhaps, an even more carbohydrate restrictive way of eating than Sisson recommends. Not to say their thinking is at odds, it's not, Taubes just takes the whole Paleo thing a bit further, I think he probably lives closer to an Atkins induction phase lifestyle.

 

[Chaka]

BTW I am not sure what you mean by getting rid of canned food. I eat plenty of canned foods...well mostly canned fish (tuna, salmon, clams, sardines etc) and coconut milk with the occasional can of tomatoes or tomato paste for cooking. I have never heard of a problem with canned olives.

 

[GreatLakesMike]

Read through this entire thread and just from "almost" eliminating grains and canned goods, I've lost 15 pounds over the past 2 months. I never ate too many canned goods anyway, basically just black olives. I buy green olives from the jar as well. Does anyone know a better way to buy olives?

I'll be buying Sisson's book this weekend and maybe a few of the others mentioned. I feel a lot better and I don't even feel like I'm dieting. I've been eating a lot of English Walnuts, Almonds, making different salads with tomatoes, onions, cucumbers, peppers, etc., eating berries, and of course, not neglecting meat.

The 21 Day book is a much quicker read and hits all the high points. I bought the other one first, read part way, bought the 21 day and finished it in couple days and never went back to the other one. just FYI

Thanks. I'll check it out. I am interested in the historical side of things as well, so is Sisson's book worth buying for that aspect?"

The full book is an easy read and will give you a fair bit of the historical arguments but if you really want to get into the history of it I recommend Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes. It would be very difficult to get a much deeper historical retelling of how and why we adopted our current, and misguided, beliefs about eating. It makes a case for, perhaps, an even more carbohydrate restrictive way of eating than Sisson recommends. Not to say their thinking is at odds, it's not, Taubes just takes the whole Paleo thing a bit further, I think he probably lives closer to an Atkins induction phase lifestyle.

Thanks Chaka.... you and Maurile are the two guys I've paid attention to the most. Good Calories, Bad Calories is one of the "other" books I was looking at. I didn't realize that Good Calories, Bad Calories got into the historical side of nutrition/diet though. Good to know as I will definitely grab it now.I can appreciate being at odds; this is not an exact science. That's more what I'm looking for. I grew up in the country and have always raised my own garden. I do it at my parents home now because I unfortunately live in an apartment. Growing up, I've raise rabbits, hogs, steers, etc.... now I'm cooking a lot... this seems like a good area for me to gain knowledge in. I'm also reading about intensive farming right now and plan on visiting a farm this summer. I could babble on, but just want to say thanks, I appreciate your input. Very interesting and has definitely changed the way I look at nutrition/diet... and I feel MUCH BETTER.

 

[GreatLakesMike]

BTW I am not sure what you mean by getting rid of canned food. I eat plenty of canned foods...well mostly canned fish (tuna, salmon, clams, sardines etc) and coconut milk with the occasional can of tomatoes or tomato paste for cooking. I have never heard of a problem with canned olives.

Something along the lines of, "only buy food on the outside walls of the grocery store."I haven't read more than this thread. If there's no problem with canned olives, then great. I pretty much raise or buy all my other produce.

ETA: Meant "fresh produce." Don't do the canned/frozen produce unless there are no other options.

 

[Chaka]

Read through this entire thread and just from "almost" eliminating grains and canned goods, I've lost 15 pounds over the past 2 months. I never ate too many canned goods anyway, basically just black olives. I buy green olives from the jar as well. Does anyone know a better way to buy olives?

I'll be buying Sisson's book this weekend and maybe a few of the others mentioned. I feel a lot better and I don't even feel like I'm dieting. I've been eating a lot of English Walnuts, Almonds, making different salads with tomatoes, onions, cucumbers, peppers, etc., eating berries, and of course, not neglecting meat.

The 21 Day book is a much quicker read and hits all the high points. I bought the other one first, read part way, bought the 21 day and finished it in couple days and never went back to the other one. just FYI

Thanks. I'll check it out. I am interested in the historical side of things as well, so is Sisson's book worth buying for that aspect?"

The full book is an easy read and will give you a fair bit of the historical arguments but if you really want to get into the history of it I recommend Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes. It would be very difficult to get a much deeper historical retelling of how and why we adopted our current, and misguided, beliefs about eating. It makes a case for, perhaps, an even more carbohydrate restrictive way of eating than Sisson recommends. Not to say their thinking is at odds, it's not, Taubes just takes the whole Paleo thing a bit further, I think he probably lives closer to an Atkins induction phase lifestyle.

Thanks Chaka.... you and Maurile are the two guys I've paid attention to the most. Good Calories, Bad Calories is one of the "other" books I was looking at. I didn't realize that Good Calories, Bad Calories got into the historical side of nutrition/diet though. Good to know as I will definitely grab it now.I can appreciate being at odds; this is not an exact science. That's more what I'm looking for. I grew up in the country and have always raised my own garden. I do it at my parents home now because I unfortunately live in an apartment. Growing up, I've raise rabbits, hogs, steers, etc.... now I'm cooking a lot... this seems like a good area for me to gain knowledge in. I'm also reading about intensive farming right now and plan on visiting a farm this summer. I could babble on, but just want to say thanks, I appreciate your input. Very interesting and has definitely changed the way I look at nutrition/diet... and I feel MUCH BETTER.

Thanks for the compliment. I help where I can but I'm Maurile Lite at best.Good for you on the effort. Keep posting updates on your progress.

 

[Chaka]

BTW I am not sure what you mean by getting rid of canned food. I eat plenty of canned foods...well mostly canned fish (tuna, salmon, clams, sardines etc) and coconut milk with the occasional can of tomatoes or tomato paste for cooking. I have never heard of a problem with canned olives.

Something along the lines of, "only buy food on the outside walls of the grocery store."I haven't read more than this thread. If there's no problem with canned olives, then great. I pretty much raise or buy all my other produce.

I don't think there is a problem with them, but I have never looked for one.Sisson talks all the time about canned fish and coconut milk as well (he is huge on coconut as am I) so I see no problems there either.

 

[Random]

BTW I am not sure what you mean by getting rid of canned food. I eat plenty of canned foods...well mostly canned fish (tuna, salmon, clams, sardines etc) and coconut milk with the occasional can of tomatoes or tomato paste for cooking. I have never heard of a problem with canned olives.

Something along the lines of, "only buy food on the outside walls of the grocery store."I haven't read more than this thread. If there's no problem with canned olives, then great. I pretty much raise or buy all my other produce.

ETA: Meant "fresh produce." Don't do the canned/frozen produce unless there are no other options.

Just make sure to check the ingredients. If its just olives, you're good.

 

[Sabertooth]

Read through this entire thread and just from "almost" eliminating grains and canned goods, I've lost 15 pounds over the past 2 months. I never ate too many canned goods anyway, basically just black olives. I buy green olives from the jar as well. Does anyone know a better way to buy olives?I'll be buying Sisson's book this weekend and maybe a few of the others mentioned. I feel a lot better and I don't even feel like I'm dieting. I've been eating a lot of English Walnuts, Almonds, making different salads with tomatoes, onions, cucumbers, peppers, etc., eating berries, and of course, not neglecting meat.

The 21 Day book is a much quicker read and hits all the high points. I bought the other one first, read part way, bought the 21 day and finished it in couple days and never went back to the other one. just FYI

Thanks. I'll check it out. I am interested in the historical side of things as well, so is Sisson's book worth buying for that aspect?"

Yes, they are both his. The 21 day is just a lot more like a workbook than a history book.

 

[GreatLakesMike]

Thanks everyone. I'll grab Sisson and Taube's books this weekend.

Quick question.... Does Coconut milk taste like the coconut that's in candy bars/sweets/pastries? Just curious, because I never really cared for coconut sweets and I believe that's the only way I've ever tasted coconut.

 

[Chaos Commish]

BTW I am not sure what you mean by getting rid of canned food. I eat plenty of canned foods...

I may have started that thinking with my last response above. I just looked at a can of Del Monte Tomatoes, second ingredient, hfcs. Those are the types of canned foods to look out for. Buy a fresh tomato. Beans come in cans and look at the ingredients in baked beans. Alot of the processed stuff paleos seek to avoid are canned, but certainly not all. That goes for bottles, boxes, bags and jars too.

 

[Chaka]

BTW I am not sure what you mean by getting rid of canned food. I eat plenty of canned foods...

I may have started that thinking with my last response above. I just looked at a can of Del Monte Tomatoes, second ingredient, hfcs. Those are the types of canned foods to look out for. Buy a fresh tomato. Beans come in cans and look at the ingredients in baked beans. Alot of the processed stuff paleos seek to avoid are canned, but certainly not all. That goes for bottles, boxes, bags and jars too.

Fair enough. In my experience for vegetables and fish it is easy to find them canned without corn based additives.

 

[Chaka]

ETA: Meant "fresh produce." Don't do the canned/frozen produce unless there are no other options.

A lot of people seem to think that frozen veggies aren't any worse for you than fresh, and in some cases can be better

Yup. Although I think fresh tastes better, but that might just be me.

 

[Statcruncher]

FYI, Starkist canned tuna in water has soy added (vegetable broth). Very few canned things have only 1 ingredient anymore.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

The full book is an easy read and will give you a fair bit of the historical arguments but if you really want to get into the history of it I recommend Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes. It would be very difficult to get a much deeper historical retelling of how and why we adopted our current, and misguided, beliefs about eating.

Yes, the first hundred pages of GCBC is an excellent summary of how the stupid low-fat dogma rose to prominence in the latter half of the twentieth century.The rest of the book, the "carbohydrate drives insulin drives fat-storage" part, has been persuasively criticized (e.g., here).

It makes a case for, perhaps, an even more carbohydrate restrictive way of eating than Sisson recommends. Not to say their thinking is at odds, it's not, Taubes just takes the whole Paleo thing a bit further, I think he probably lives closer to an Atkins induction phase lifestyle.

Taubes isn't paleo. (Many of our paleolithic ancestors probably ate a rather high-carb diet; it's just that the carbs came from tubers, fruits, and honey rather than grains and refined sugars.) I think it's right to say that Taubes is closer to Atkins.

 

[GreatLakesMike]

ETA: Meant "fresh produce." Don't do the canned/frozen produce unless there are no other options.

A lot of people seem to think that frozen veggies aren't any worse for you than fresh, and in some cases can be better

Yup. Although I think fresh tastes better, but that might just be me.

I guess when I typed that comment, I was thinking of the nasty frozen meals and not bagged veggies. I've always grown a garden and my mom cans or freezes a lot of the vegggies. I've been having her show me the tricks of the trade the past few years. I can't hack the taste of the veggies in those frozen meals, but perhaps I should try the bagged veggies. Don't really need to except in the winter. For whatever we don't grow, we can hit a # of Amish and/or local markets and pick up veggie/fruits cheaper than the chain stores sell them in the spring/summer.

 

[SacramentoBob]

I haven't been through this thread or read any of the literature, but I'm just hoping for a quick answer here. What's the verdict on pork? Okay or bad?

 

[-jb-]

I haven't been through this thread or read any of the literature, but I'm just hoping for a quick answer here. What's the verdict on pork? Okay or bad?

Muy bien

 

[mr roboto]

I haven't been through this thread or read any of the literature, but I'm just hoping for a quick answer here. What's the verdict on pork? Okay or bad?

Something about nitrates. HTH.

 

[JFT Ben]

I haven't been through this thread or read any of the literature, but I'm just hoping for a quick answer here. What's the verdict on pork? Okay or bad?

Something about nitrates. HTH.

Like any other meat, small farm raised is usually better, but any meat, regardless of quality is probably going to be better than potato chips and soy burgers if you're doing paleo/primal eating. We eat very paleo/primal and usually buy a 1/2 cow and hog every year locally raised and grown. Not that expensive when you buy in bulk and have chest freezer and soooo much more tasty than the store stuff that's fed corn and soy and kept in less than ideal living situations.

 

[Chaka]

I haven't been through this thread or read any of the literature, but I'm just hoping for a quick answer here. What's the verdict on pork? Okay or bad?

Fresh from the pig it's awesome. But as with every meat you shouldn't eat it exclusively, you gotta mix it up.Pork comes in many forms, is there any specific delivery system that you are concerned with?

 

[SacramentoBob]

I haven't been through this thread or read any of the literature, but I'm just hoping for a quick answer here. What's the verdict on pork? Okay or bad?

Fresh from the pig it's awesome. But as with every meat you shouldn't eat it exclusively, you gotta mix it up.Pork comes in many forms, is there any specific delivery system that you are concerned with?

Was just asking generally I guess. I rarely eat pork, but if I do it's usually of the spicy italian sausage or Chorizo variety. Just skimming the thread, and I think I saw some posts to the effect that lean cuts of meat aren't great for you? I usually go for the leanest ground beef I can find, if I'm not using ground turkey. Should I be going for fattier?

 

[Sabertooth]

Tried the grilled eggs with Chorizo this morning from Mark's Daily Apple. Pretty good but I burned the peppers so I had to peel the char off.

 

[Random]

What about Buffalo? Recently found a Buffalo farm near us and the meat is awesome.