Jayrok
Footballguy
I thought Carolina had the 2nd pick in the second round. Am I mistaken?
Then I hope Carolina trades up to grab Bowers...
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Panthers owner not sold on Newton (1 Viewer)
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Then I hope Carolina trades up to grab Bowers...
The Commish
Footballguy
They had the first pick of the second round until they traded with the Patriots last year for Armani Edwards....he is your second round pick for 2011. They don't have another pick until round 3. Which brings up something else that really bothers me. Folks were stumbling over themselves to list all the first round picks Herney and company have made and how they haven't missed, but they ignore all the brutal decisions in round 2 and beyond (where drafts are made/lost). Coach B played them like a fiddle last year.
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Jayrok
Footballguy
Another quality move there. I forgot about that fiasco. UGH!
Jayrok
Footballguy
I hate the Pats, but coach B knows how to play the game. I'd like Carolina to move up but not at the expense the Falcons gave up last night for Jones.
The Commish
Footballguy
They can't unless they move draft picks. At this point it would be a robbing Peter to pay Paul type of situation. They need to let their bad decisions the last 2-3 years catch up this year and start fresh next.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
Well, it's done. Time to start convincing myself it can work.
At least it'll be interesting.
At least it'll be interesting.
The Commish
Footballguy
pollardsvision
Footballguy
The good news:
Carolina is the 3rd team (since 1970) to take a QB with a top 50 pick in back-to-back drafts. In both of the previous instances, the 2nd QB taken ended up being a Hall of Famer (Kelly and Elway).
So, there's that.
Carolina is the 3rd team (since 1970) to take a QB with a top 50 pick in back-to-back drafts. In both of the previous instances, the 2nd QB taken ended up being a Hall of Famer (Kelly and Elway).
So, there's that.
Jayrok
Footballguy
Hey, I'll take it.
FavreCo
Footballguy
Exactly why this will go down as a collosal failure. Not only did they screw up their pick in 2011 but that will casue them to screw up in 2012. They better come out of the gate 2-1 becasue there isn't much in victory circle after that.
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pantherclub
Footballguy
there is simply no way at all that the Panthers pass on Luck if they are in a position to get him next year. Simply will not happen. He is the best player to come out in over 30 years.
Hopefully if there is a draft next year, they can trade the pick for a mid-tier franchise like Seattle or Houston.
shader
Footballguy
There is no chance the Panthers will be the worst team in the NFL. Newton will make them a dangerous team immediately with his ability to run, and the bevy of RB's behind him. They need to get that line healthy and look to bolster it as well.
pantherclub
Footballguy
thats certainly what it would command
it would have to be Hershel Walker deal squared to pry that away from a franchise.
If I recall the Panthers offered 2 1rsts, 2 2nds, kerry collins, Ty Poole and a couple of others for the chance to draft Manning.
it would have to be Hershel Walker deal squared to pry that away from a franchise.
If I recall the Panthers offered 2 1rsts, 2 2nds, kerry collins, Ty Poole and a couple of others for the chance to draft Manning.
FavreCo
Footballguy
6 easy losses in their own division. They will compete for #1 with Cincy, Buf. WAS. Their problem is all those teams can actually win a game in their division. Jax always seems to be able to win a few in their division that they shouldn't. No, they will be right in the mix for #1 again.
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pantherclub
Footballguy
4 wins at the absolute max
Desert_Power
Footballguy
It is silly to think they would spend a high pick on QB three years in a row. Then again, it is silly to do it twice. Maybe this franchise really is run that poorly.
Considering what CLE received from ATL, the Panthers could ask for a King's ransom if they wind up with the #1 pick again next year. Anyone and everyone will be offering trades, players, etc for the #1 pick - provided Luck continues his ascent as the nation's premier college QB. The offers would get crazy competitive, which all favors Carolina. It's too bad players can't be traded right now, because CAR could trade Smitty and their high 3rd round pick for a high 2nd and a 3rd or 4th round pick. If they don't trade up, which would be the 3rd time in as many years, I'd like to see them go OL, DT or OLB with their next picks starting in the third round.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
You must not have watched many Panthers game last year if you think they are a player away from being a dangerous team.
pantherclub
Footballguy
Say what? What on earth makes them dangerous
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FavreCo
Footballguy
Cut shader some slack. He is in denial. They've gone from journeyman QB to rookie QB to rookie QB while everyone else in their division just got tougher with their 1st rd pick. Teams they have a chance to beat, (let's give them 50% of the games), ARI, JAC, WAS, TEN. There's 2 wins. Let's go a little further and give them a couple of reaches. MIN, DET, CHI. Give 'em 1 of those....say the home game. Total 3 wins. Yeah, they are vying for the 2012 #1 pick. 4 wins is a great season for this horrible team.
let's also remember that they are going to lose DeAngelo Williams. Steve Smith would rather be gone too so his effort will be little to none as he puts up 1-15 and 2 34 stats. Stewart is hurt every year. Without him it's Goodson.
let's also remember that they are going to lose DeAngelo Williams. Steve Smith would rather be gone too so his effort will be little to none as he puts up 1-15 and 2 34 stats. Stewart is hurt every year. Without him it's Goodson.
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Touchdown There
Footballguy
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." -Jamarcus Russell
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
If Luck continues to be great, and warrants the first overall pick, and if the panthers own the first pick next year, they would likely either trade Newton, or trade the Pick... You don't skip over a player like that..'Faust said:
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
He may not even play, and if he does play, he doesn't know how to play QB at the NFL level... What are you expecting?They may not have the worst record but they will still be very bad, not sure what you're talking about here.'shader said:
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Same guy who fired John Fox.
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
Gonna need another 7-8 years of Newton doing this before I'm sold.
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
lmao
The Commish
Footballguy
He didn't fire him.....he left him as a lame duck last year, but didn't fire him.
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
Well... He did play.. And played pretty well.. Completely surprised me.. Was a nice surprise obviously..
After looking back over these messages, Shader never said the Panthers were going to be great. They did do about what I expected as far as W/L go. I did expect the scores to be very different, and I expected it to be primarily under another QBNice call by Shader..
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
Bitter sweet read though.. Glad I was wrong about Cam..
The Commish
Footballguy
'Raider Nation said:
Title says one thing, the article says another
Contractors are not "fired" when their contracts are up. They move on to their next assignment. Nothing different here. FWIW, I wish they had fired him. Richardson's actions really drove a wedge between him and the fan base.
strong
Footballguy
lulz
Cam put up fun fantasy stats, but sucked out loud as an NFL QB. The team was terrible, and has no future going forward. No idea why fans get married to this kind of do-nothing QB. The Broncos and Panthers have the bleakest futures of any NFL franchises right now. Funny that the fans can't see that. It's like all of NFL history didn't happen for them.
pantherclub
Footballguy
what?
Touchdown There
Footballguy
Haters gonna hate.what?
Cam put up fun fantasy stats, but sucked out loud as an NFL QB. The team was terrible, and has no future going forward. No idea why fans get married to this kind of do-nothing QB. The Broncos and Panthers have the bleakest futures of any NFL franchises right now. Funny that the fans can't see that. It's like all of NFL history didn't happen for them.
pantherclub
Footballguy
I am hoping he is being sarcastic and I am just missing it.If you were starting a franchise from scratch I bet Newton would be in the top 5 current qb;s that would be picked to start said franchise.Haters gonna hate.what?
Cam put up fun fantasy stats, but sucked out loud as an NFL QB. The team was terrible, and has no future going forward. No idea why fans get married to this kind of do-nothing QB. The Broncos and Panthers have the bleakest futures of any NFL franchises right now. Funny that the fans can't see that. It's like all of NFL history didn't happen for them.
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Concept Coop
Footballguy
If this was shorter, it would be sig-worthy. He had one of, if not the, best rookie seasons for a QB ever. Ever. There is nothing more you could reasonably want to see from a rookie QB.
Warpig
Footballguy
Finally! The voice of reason.I find these people that come on here writing off Newton as a mistake and bust as comical. They have bought into the media hype. I guess they'd be better off with Blaine Gabbert.
Cam does have tremendous upside. He is a physical freak and a helluva athlete. From what I've seen, he has the right kind of personality to be a successful QB in the NFL for a long time. You gotta think, most of the players in the NFL will be able to relate to him so he should be able to assert himself as a team leader in short time.
He is such an imposing, physical specimen that he basically cake walked his way to the national championship in the toughest NCAA conference. He also won the Heisman trophy to add to his resume.
I could care less about the type of offense they ran at Auburn and the lack of "verbiage" used. That is not his fault. And personally, I don't know why there needs to be so much verbiage in play calls in the NFL. Seems irrational to me. Perhaps too much ego in these coaches wanting to make it sound so difficult. The fact is, the guy was very successful every where he's been. Let's not forget he rolled his Junior college to a championship as well. What type of play calls did they have?
And I just don't understand the issue being tossed around about his footwork. That guy is damn near impossible to sack and he evades pressure while still looking down field to make the throw. He reminds me of Ben Roethlisberger...but are peopple bashing Ben's footwork? Bottom line is, who cares? He makes plays to help his team and he wins.
Inexperienced? How many games did Mark Sanchez play at USC? I think Cam has far more promise than Sanchez. Weren't there also questions about Sam Bradford and his experience? Matt Ryan perhaps? There have been tons of QB's play a handful of games compared to a Peyton Manning that have been successful in the league. How many college games did Tom Brady and Matt Cassel play? It's a new ballgame when you get to the NFL any way...maybe having a clean slate is better to learn with so you don't have to reprogram yourself. In the military they say it is easier to teach someone how to shoot that has never shot before so you don't have to unlearn bad habits. It's the coaches job to teach the talent that is there.
As far as stealing stuff...who in here hasn't commited some sort of petty/misdemeanor type of crime in our youth? How many in here go out drinking and driving? That is a felony! So let's stop all the BS about him stealing a computer when he was a teeneager.
Who knows what the deal is with him supposedly asking for money to play at Auburn. I'd be willing to bet that was all on his dad. I'm not gonna blame Cam for his fathers mistakes. And it appears that he is handling that in the right fashion as well by keeping his dad out of the picture.
I remember watching a show that talked about how involved in charities and the community that he is. Maybe he's growing up? Have you ever heard of people doing that? He's not gonna be an immature punk forever.
Every player drafted has a 50% chance of being a bust. I just don't understand all the hate for Cam. Look at the kids game tape before saying he's not a good player.
Which reminds me, let's revisit Blaine Gabbert. Go watch some game tape of Blaine and then compare that to Cam's game tape. I don't care how good Blaine looked in shorts, throwing to WR's with no coverage and no pass rush in his face. Blaine played in a conference that is far short of the talent in the SEC and he puked all over himself in any game that ever mattered. I don't care how many yards he threw for in the bowl game...it's a spread offense that produces gawdy passing numbers. He could never get the job done when it was on the line. He's not a leader and he's not a winner. I don't care about his "photographic memory"...it certainly didn't help him throw touchdowns or win games. He's a spazz in the pocket and is scared to death of pressure. Blaine is the clean cut boy from the good ol' midwest. He's not much of a QB in my eyes.
And don't all the people that know better say "the game tape doesn't lie"?
Someone please give me some reasonable, fact based info that can actually rate Gabbert ahead of Cam and say that Cam won't be successful?
Eastwood
Footballguy
Excuse me sir, may I have some of what you're smoking? Did you watch Cam this year? I watched every snap. This kid is a phenomenal talent. He's nearly impossible to bring down. He's HUGE. He has a canon. He loves the game. What more do you want from him????
The Commish
Footballguy
This is why I come to the SP every once and a while.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
Damn. Warpig absolutely nailed everything in this thread. Time to start listening to his scouting reports. 
Touchdown Syndrome
Footballguy
Allow me to translate:what?
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
flapgreen
Footballguy
Zing!
