Panthers' Running Game (1 Viewer)

[zamboni]

I didn't see the game, the only the box score.

At first glance, it looks like both Foster and Williams had good games, particularly Foster.

Can any homers or those who watched the game shed some light in how were they used - rotating series, downs, short yardage, etc?

TIA

 

[Blackjacks]

I didn't see the game, the only the box score.At first glance, it looks like both Foster and Williams had good games, particularly Foster. Can any homers or those who watched the game shed some light in how were they used - rotating series, downs, short yardage, etc? TIA

I was at the game (rams fan) and DFoster was definetly the guy. D-Will came in on a few drives and a change of pace. On the other hand I really liked what I saw out of D-Will and still think he is more talented. Don't buy too much intot he #'s cause the rams run defense blows goats. Frank Gore might hang 200 against us next week.

 

[omally]

Foster was clearly the starter, and he played very well, and Williams ran out the clock, and was also used for certain plays or spell duty. Williams was used to spell Foster just a little, and he was also used on one full series before the fourth quarter. He was used the full fourth quarter to run out the clock. Williams has nice burst, but Foster runs better up the middle, and he also breaks tackles better. They made a good duo yesterday. I was happy with both of their performances yesterday.

 

[Rushmore]

They both fumbled. Williams looks most comfortable when he's running outside. They seem to compliment each other well in that backfield. As mentioned earlier though, the Rams are not the stoutest of run defenses.

 

[barndog]

I guess I differ from others but I found myself screaming at DeAngelo to "Go &^%$# up field!" WAY too much dancing in the backfield.

ETA: I thought Foster's fumble was bogus. He was in the pile aftre being spun around. I thought from the end zone shot you could clearly see hand on ball as his kn es went down, then the ball disappears in every other angle and Rams somehow recover. Debatable I suppose, but that's what I thought. (Cats should've had 7 more...)

 

[zamboni]

Thanks for the insight so far, everyone.

It seemed like there were no goal line opps, but did Foster indeed appear to be the guy in short yardage over D-Will (and Goings, for that matter)?

 

[barndog]

Thanks for the insight so far, everyone.It seemed like there was no goal line opps, but did Foster indeed appear to be the guy in short yardage over D-Will (and Goings, for that matter)?

Foster's "fumble" was on the 1 or 2 yd line. He seemed to get about 75% of the carries to me.

 

[NCCommish]

I guess I differ from others but I found myself screaming at DeAngelo to "Go &^%$# up field!" WAY too much dancing in the backfield.

ETA: I thought Foster's fumble was bogus. He was in the pile aftre being spun around. I thought from the end zone shot you could clearly see hand on ball as his kn es went down, then the ball disappears in every other angle and Rams somehow recover. Debatable I suppose, but that's what I thought. (Cats should've had 7 more...)

Agreed.

 

[Da Guru]

I guess I differ from others but I found myself screaming at DeAngelo to "Go &^%$# up field!" WAY too much dancing in the backfield.

ETA: I thought Foster's fumble was bogus. He was in the pile aftre being spun around. I thought from the end zone shot you could clearly see hand on ball as his kn es went down, then the ball disappears in every other angle and Rams somehow recover. Debatable I suppose, but that's what I thought. (Cats should've had 7 more...)

Agreed.

I thought Carolina got a raw deal on that one. Did they review it?

 

[NCCommish]

I guess I differ from others but I found myself screaming at DeAngelo to "Go &^%$# up field!" WAY too much dancing in the backfield.

ETA: I thought Foster's fumble was bogus. He was in the pile aftre being spun around. I thought from the end zone shot you could clearly see hand on ball as his kn es went down, then the ball disappears in every other angle and Rams somehow recover. Debatable I suppose, but that's what I thought. (Cats should've had 7 more...)

Agreed.

I thought Carolina got a raw deal on that one. Did they review it?

I don't think so but I could be wrong. I was in and out running the grill. Saw a bunch of replays from various angles though and I don't know how they called it a fumble.

 

[barndog]

I guess I differ from others but I found myself screaming at DeAngelo to "Go &^%$# up field!" WAY too much dancing in the backfield.

ETA: I thought Foster's fumble was bogus. He was in the pile aftre being spun around. I thought from the end zone shot you could clearly see hand on ball as his kn es went down, then the ball disappears in every other angle and Rams somehow recover. Debatable I suppose, but that's what I thought. (Cats should've had 7 more...)

Agreed.

I thought Carolina got a raw deal on that one. Did they review it?

I don't think so but I could be wrong. I was in and out running the grill. Saw a bunch of replays from various angles though and I don't know how they called it a fumble.

It was reviewed. The problem was that it was ruled a fumble and they "didn't have enough evidence to overturn." If I was the Reviewer Dude, though, I would've spotted the hand on the ball as he went down (end zone view) and overturned.

 

[Keys Myaths]

Thanks for the insight so far, everyone.It seemed like there was no goal line opps, but did Foster indeed appear to be the guy in short yardage over D-Will (and Goings, for that matter)?

Foster's "fumble" was on the 1 or 2 yd line. He seemed to get about 75% of the carries to me.

"Seemed" to?Are people this afraid of statistics?For the record, the Panthers carried the ball three times inside the 10 yard line. Foster carried it twice, Williams once.If you think you can draw conclusions from that, you're really fooling yourself.

 

[H.K.]

Foster was clearly the starter, and he played very well, and Williams ran out the clock, and was also used for certain plays or spell duty. Williams was used to spell Foster just a little, and he was also used on one full series before the fourth quarter. He was used the full fourth quarter to run out the clock. Williams has nice burst, but Foster runs better up the middle, and he also breaks tackles better. They made a good duo yesterday. I was happy with both of their performances yesterday.

They made a good tandem yesterday. Foster was the primary and I would expect this going forward, but it wouldn't be a surprise if they went with the hot hand some weeks, either. Originally, I expected close to a 50/50 split....based on one game I may revise it to 60/40 Foster. Anyone expecting Williams to win the job and be the focal point will be disappointed. It's obvious that both RB's have different styles and strengths, and if King and Carter can continue to contribute, the offense should be improved from last year. A healthy OL is the primary factor in the difference between this season and last, so hopefully they'll stay injury free up front.

 

[barndog]

Thanks for the insight so far, everyone.It seemed like there was no goal line opps, but did Foster indeed appear to be the guy in short yardage over D-Will (and Goings, for that matter)?

Foster's "fumble" was on the 1 or 2 yd line. He seemed to get about 75% of the carries to me.

"Seemed" to?Are people this afraid of statistics?

I'm a numbers guy but too busy to look it up. I'll wait for the touches report from FBG, thanks.

 

[Keys Myaths]

Thanks for the insight so far, everyone.It seemed like there was no goal line opps, but did Foster indeed appear to be the guy in short yardage over D-Will (and Goings, for that matter)?

Foster's "fumble" was on the 1 or 2 yd line. He seemed to get about 75% of the carries to me.

"Seemed" to?Are people this afraid of statistics?

I'm a numbers guy but too busy to look it up. I'll wait for the touches report from FBG, thanks.

I'll give you a hint--it'll tell you exactly the same thing as what you deleted from quoting my post.

 

[pantherclub]

Foster was clearly the starter, and he played very well, and Williams ran out the clock, and was also used for certain plays or spell duty. Williams was used to spell Foster just a little, and he was also used on one full series before the fourth quarter. He was used the full fourth quarter to run out the clock. Williams has nice burst, but Foster runs better up the middle, and he also breaks tackles better. They made a good duo yesterday. I was happy with both of their performances yesterday.

I agree with this post totally. It appears I may have to eat crow on my Deangelo is starting in 4 games predicition. Foster ran the hardest he has in a year. Tough to tackle and had a great burst hitting the hole. Williams is a lot faster but not as strong it appears. The oline seemed to really get into a groove in the 2nd half.

 

[damageinc]

Watched the whole game and I was shocked at how good foster looked . He got most of the carries. Williams looked good running to the outside but cant break a tackle going up the gut. Most of Williams carries came in the 4th quarter when they toook Foster out and use Williams to run out the clock. I still think Williams is a great runner but Foster was the best I have ever seem him. If it wasnt for his injuries over the last few years he would be one of the great backs. Also what a value he is. In our draft Willaims went round 4 (guy took him as a RB3) and Foster round 12( Guy took him as a RB#5). A starting running back round 12 . Now thats value.

 

[barndog]

Thanks for the insight so far, everyone.It seemed like there was no goal line opps, but did Foster indeed appear to be the guy in short yardage over D-Will (and Goings, for that matter)?

Foster's "fumble" was on the 1 or 2 yd line. He seemed to get about 75% of the carries to me.

"Seemed" to?Are people this afraid of statistics?

I'm a numbers guy but too busy to look it up. I'll wait for the touches report from FBG, thanks.

I'll give you a hint--it'll tell you exactly the same thing as what you deleted from quoting my post.

Lighten up, Francis.You called out my methodology, so I explained why I was estimating at this point. I don't doubt your numbers. Thanks.

 

[Jayrok]

I was at this game (My son and I the only Panther fans in the section) and thought Foster ran well. He almost broke a couple of long runs. I also thought the fumble was questionable. Foster came off the field and talked Fox into challenging. The review was inconclusive, though the Rams didn't show any replays on the jumbostron.

Carolina rushed for 186 yards mostly with Foster and Williams. However, most of Williams' yards came during garbage time and after the Rams had already given up. Foster is clearly the starter and a good runner. Williams is the feature back on certain plays and formations.

One thing I noticed with Williams is he seems to always try to bounce it outside. That worked extremely well for him in college, but the NFL is too fast for that nonsense. He'd be better off finding a seam and busting it straight upfield. He's elusive, and makes good cuts, but can't outrun DBs to the corner all the time. He needs to learn that.

All in all, the running game looked good yesterday. I see Foster continuing to carry the ball in most running situations. Williams runs the screen pass better. If Foster can stay healthy I think the Panthers have a good shot at controlling games. The Defense played well yesterday and hopefully will keep them close and in games all year.

PS - Football should be played outside. My first time in a dome and it had the atmosphere of an arena game. Just wasn't the same. And for a dome, the Ram fans were awfully quiet IMO. That place should have been much louder.

 

[Keys Myaths]

Thanks for the insight so far, everyone.It seemed like there was no goal line opps, but did Foster indeed appear to be the guy in short yardage over D-Will (and Goings, for that matter)?

Foster's "fumble" was on the 1 or 2 yd line. He seemed to get about 75% of the carries to me.

"Seemed" to?Are people this afraid of statistics?

I'm a numbers guy but too busy to look it up. I'll wait for the touches report from FBG, thanks.

I'll give you a hint--it'll tell you exactly the same thing as what you deleted from quoting my post.

Lighten up, Francis.You called out my methodology, so I explained why I was estimating at this point. I don't doubt your numbers. Thanks.

No problem, Louise.

 

[BassNBrew]

Another perspective is that Hoover had a higher ypc than either Foster or Williams, even if you subtract his long run. Either the line is very good or the Rams suck.

 

[kupcho1]

Another perspective is that Hoover had a higher ypc than either Foster or Williams, even if you subtract his long run. Either the line is very good or the Rams suck.

I'll go with "the Rams suck"

 

[omally]

Foster was clearly the starter, and he played very well, and Williams ran out the clock, and was also used for certain plays or spell duty. Williams was used to spell Foster just a little, and he was also used on one full series before the fourth quarter. He was used the full fourth quarter to run out the clock. Williams has nice burst, but Foster runs better up the middle, and he also breaks tackles better. They made a good duo yesterday. I was happy with both of their performances yesterday.

<_< They made a good tandem yesterday. Foster was the primary and I would expect this going forward, but it wouldn't be a surprise if they went with the hot hand some weeks, either. Originally, I expected close to a 50/50 split....based on one game I may revise it to 60/40 Foster. Anyone expecting Williams to win the job and be the focal point will be disappointed. It's obvious that both RB's have different styles and strengths, and if King and Carter can continue to contribute, the offense should be improved from last year. A healthy OL is the primary factor in the difference between this season and last, so hopefully they'll stay injury free up front.

I think the play calling is a big factor with the running game. Foster is finally being used for his strengths, and not for the strengths that were Stephen Davis's.

 

[Sleehrat]

Foster is a John Fox guy. Don't let the # of carries tell you different. There's no question that he is the #1 RB on the team. Fortunately, the Panthers have Williams to spell him or provide a slightly different look. If FF didn't exist, nobody would ever be questioning the # of carries these guys have. Lots to like about both Foster and William's season. O-Line played extremely well, and consider that one of their starting OL is suspended for first two games.

 

[zamboni]

Bump

Looks like Foster impressed today, even if it was against Atlanta. Pretty good value pick thus far.