Parcells Talking Up Barber Again (1 Viewer)

[packersfan]

I am a Barber owner but it's difficult for me to believe Parcells would want to reduce Jones' carries too much given how effective he's been. So while I would love to see even more carries as a Barber owner I'm not gonna buy into this until it actually happens. But this is from RotoWorld:

Coach Bill Parcells said he hopes to get Marion Barber more involved in the offense.

Unprompted, Parcells said, "I do like the tandem... Actually I think Marion could get in the game even more... He seems to be productive when he gets in the game." This is exactly what Julius Jones owners don't want to hear, but Parcells often throws curveballs and motivational ploys into pressers. Barber has 37 carries, while Jones has 108 on the season. Don't panic until the rotation is adjusted on Sundays.

 

[bentdent]

Don't really trust Tuna's words, but I am dropping Jamal Lewis for Marion Barber. He's been as productive (if not more so) as the RB2...and Julius will always have that injury history! But on the surface, I can't imagine taking the ball out of Jones hands between the 10s.

 

[-jb-]

He seems to be productive when he gets in the game.

I would think so.

 

[aldelgreco]

Don't really trust Tuna's words, but I am dropping Jamal Lewis for Marion Barber. He's been as productive (if not more so) as the RB2...and Julius will always have that injury history! But on the surface, I can't imagine taking the ball out of Jones hands between the 10s.

made the same move last week, and it sure paid off then. We'll see if it continues. As it is now,MBIII is my #3 RB.

 

[pinequick]

I am a Barber owner but it's difficult for me to believe Parcells would want to reduce Jones' carries too much given how effective he's been. So while I would love to see even more carries as a Barber owner I'm not gonna buy into this until it actually happens. But this is from RotoWorld:Coach Bill Parcells said he hopes to get Marion Barber more involved in the offense.Unprompted, Parcells said, "I do like the tandem... Actually I think Marion could get in the game even more... He seems to be productive when he gets in the game." This is exactly what Julius Jones owners don't want to hear, but Parcells often throws curveballs and motivational ploys into pressers. Barber has 37 carries, while Jones has 108 on the season. Don't panic until the rotation is adjusted on Sundays.

At some point, don't we have to believe the numbers and not what Parcells is saying? Parcells has been talking up Barber from Day 1 this season, and yet JJ has been completely effective in his current role--my guess is that Parcells is using this schtick to keep JJ (and maybe Barber) motivated. At this point, it clearly ain't broke.

 

[Kit Fisto]

Don't panic until the rotation is adjusted on Sundays.

Don't worry, I won't.

 

[One]

:Jones/MB Owner:

Jones is pathetic in short yardage and inside the 5. I'm starting him as an RB2, but look forward to the day I can use only MBIII. His receptions, TD's and yardage will look much better than Jones week to week.

*fingers crossed*

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

:Jones/MB Owner:Jones is pathetic in short yardage and inside the 5. I'm starting him as an RB2, but look forward to the day I can use only MBIII. His receptions, TD's and yardage will look much better than Jones week to week. *fingers crossed*

see: 2005

 

[Sagan]

:Jones/MB Owner:Jones is pathetic in short yardage and inside the 5. I'm starting him as an RB2, but look forward to the day I can use only MBIII. His receptions, TD's and yardage will look much better than Jones week to week. *fingers crossed*

Jones / MB3 owner here too, and I'm not sure that characterization is correct. It seems to me that when Julius is in on short yardage situations, they put in two (at least) TE's and try to jam the ball up the gut. The Cowboys just aren't that good at that.But when they've got MB3 in, they run a 3 WR set and spread the offense (and defense) out. This seems to create more lanes for MB3 to get through.Just my observation.

 

[One]

You're right on when looking at Barber's 3rd down carries, but I'm talking mostly for the Jones carries inside the 5.

It's painful.

Lot's of points left on the table for the handcuff on my bench.

 

[yinzer]

Jones has had about as good of a year as he could have, yet in my league (6 pts TDs, 1 pt/40 yds rush/rev, 2 for 100, and fractional points) he only has a half point more than MB3. MB3 has scored in 4 straight games (consistent), should get more red zone opportunities with TO back and healthy (greater potential), and has jones' injury issues on his side (more upside).

It seems to me you have to handcuff, and if you haven't, Barbers really the guy to have anyway because of how cheaply you likely got him compared to JJ (I picked him up on WW after week 4)

 

[packersfan]

I am a Barber owner but it's difficult for me to believe Parcells would want to reduce Jones' carries too much given how effective he's been. So while I would love to see even more carries as a Barber owner I'm not gonna buy into this until it actually happens. But this is from RotoWorld:Coach Bill Parcells said he hopes to get Marion Barber more involved in the offense.Unprompted, Parcells said, "I do like the tandem... Actually I think Marion could get in the game even more... He seems to be productive when he gets in the game." This is exactly what Julius Jones owners don't want to hear, but Parcells often throws curveballs and motivational ploys into pressers. Barber has 37 carries, while Jones has 108 on the season. Don't panic until the rotation is adjusted on Sundays.

At some point, don't we have to believe the numbers and not what Parcells is saying? Parcells has been talking up Barber from Day 1 this season, and yet JJ has been completely effective in his current role--my guess is that Parcells is using this schtick to keep JJ (and maybe Barber) motivated. At this point, it clearly ain't broke.

That's basically my feeling as well. I don't know if it's a motivational ploy or what, but it's pretty hard to argue with the results. Jones has been having a very nice season between the 10s and Barber is money near the goal line. I can't see anything Jones has done to deserve having any carries taken away. Parcells has tried to give him some goal-line looks but he hasn't capitalized and Barber has. Seems like the status quo is the way to go here.

 

[One]

Jones has had about as good of a year as he could have, yet in my league (6 pts TDs, 1 pt/40 yds rush/rev, 2 for 100, and fractional points) he only has a half point more than MB3. MB3 has scored in 4 straight games (consistent), should get more red zone opportunities with TO back and healthy (greater potential), and has jones' injury issues on his side (more upside).

It seems to me you have to handcuff, and if you haven't, Barbers really the guy to have anyway because of how cheaply you likely got him compared to JJ (I picked him up on WW after week 4)

dang, my league's scoring isn't that close, & it's not like it's a random kinda thing... He's actually pretty consistent. Barber's actually putting up decent RB2 numbers while Jones kinda loses out on some key carries.

Here's my league's score with weekly below it. (PPR)

JJ:

91.1

21.5

13.4

22.8

18.4

15

MB:

65.3

5.2

15.1

16.1

15.2

13.7

 

[Restricted]

From Rotoworld: Jones appeared to take a helmet to his leg on his last carry before hopping off the field. It didn't looks serious, but is worth following up on.

Keep Jones healthy, give more carries to Barber.

 

[pinequick]

From Rotoworld: Jones appeared to take a helmet to his leg on his last carry before hopping off the field. It didn't looks serious, but is worth following up on.

Keep Jones healthy, give more carries to Barber.

That did look like it smarted--knocked the other guy senseless with his thigh. Ouch.

 

[Bri]

I am a Barber owner but it's difficult for me to believe Parcells would want to reduce Jones' carries too much given how effective he's been. So while I would love to see even more carries as a Barber owner I'm not gonna buy into this until it actually happens. But this is from RotoWorld:Coach Bill Parcells said he hopes to get Marion Barber more involved in the offense.Unprompted, Parcells said, "I do like the tandem... Actually I think Marion could get in the game even more... He seems to be productive when he gets in the game." This is exactly what Julius Jones owners don't want to hear, but Parcells often throws curveballs and motivational ploys into pressers. Barber has 37 carries, while Jones has 108 on the season. Don't panic until the rotation is adjusted on Sundays.

one of the better initial posts to a news clip I've seen here

 

[malice]

Parcells did choose to put in Thompson instead of Barber after he got his TD...however, I could see Barber becoming the feature back in the red zone more than just the goal line. Not only is he strong up the middle, but could attract attention from defenses allowing Owens, Glenn, or Witten to run a short route in the end zone.

 

[packersfan]

As many of us expected, Parcell's talk last week about Barber was just that ... talk. I do wonder, however, if Jones' issues picking up the blitz (he was pretty horrible in that regard against the Giants) could open the door for Barber to see more action.

Again, I'll believe that when I see it since so far there's been no evidence Parcells is going to make any radical changes to his backfield situation. But that could at least be something to watch.

 

[baronson]

As many of us expected, Parcell's talk last week about Barber was just that ... talk. I do wonder, however, if Jones' issues picking up the blitz (he was pretty horrible in that regard against the Giants) could open the door for Barber to see more action.Again, I'll believe that when I see it since so far there's been no evidence Parcells is going to make any radical changes to his backfield situation. But that could at least be something to watch.

i just posted the same general concern in the game capsules thread. jones was abysmal at pass protection last night. he was supposed to pick up arrington on the safety, and looked downright foolish on many occasions in protection.i don't know if it was a function of the scoreboard or what, but jones was seeing far fewer snaps in the second half, in favor of barber. inasmuch as Dallas was only down 12-7 at the half (ETA - NYG did score 1 min into the 2nd half, so i guess a 19-7 score was more indicative of the 2nd half scoreboard), i'm thinking it had more to do with parcells' disappointment in jones at pass protection. not sure if this is a sign of things to come, however.

 

[Emmitt Smith]

As many of us expected, Parcell's talk last week about Barber was just that ... talk. I do wonder, however, if Jones' issues picking up the blitz (he was pretty horrible in that regard against the Giants) could open the door for Barber to see more action.Again, I'll believe that when I see it since so far there's been no evidence Parcells is going to make any radical changes to his backfield situation. But that could at least be something to watch.

i just posted the same general concern in the game capsules thread. jones was abysmal at pass protection last night. he was supposed to pick up arrington on the safety, and looked downright foolish on many occasions in protection.i don't know if it was a function of the scoreboard or what, but jones was seeing far fewer snaps in the second half, in favor of barber. inasmuch as Dallas was only down 12-7 at the half (ETA - NYG did score 1 min into the 2nd half, so i guess a 19-7 score was more indicative of the 2nd half scoreboard), i'm thinking it had more to do with parcells' disappointment in jones at pass protection. not sure if this is a sign of things to come, however.

No way anyback in the league could have blocked Lavar on that play.

 

[KiddLattimer]

I am a Barber owner but it's difficult for me to believe Parcells would want to reduce Jones' carries too much given how effective he's been. So while I would love to see even more carries as a Barber owner I'm not gonna buy into this until it actually happens. But this is from RotoWorld:Coach Bill Parcells said he hopes to get Marion Barber more involved in the offense.Unprompted, Parcells said, "I do like the tandem... Actually I think Marion could get in the game even more... He seems to be productive when he gets in the game." This is exactly what Julius Jones owners don't want to hear, but Parcells often throws curveballs and motivational ploys into pressers. Barber has 37 carries, while Jones has 108 on the season. Don't panic until the rotation is adjusted on Sundays.

At some point, don't we have to believe the numbers and not what Parcells is saying? Parcells has been talking up Barber from Day 1 this season, and yet JJ has been completely effective in his current role--my guess is that Parcells is using this schtick to keep JJ (and maybe Barber) motivated. At this point, it clearly ain't broke.

Maybe he is just trying to motivate Tatum Bell?

 

[Cowboys#1]

As many of us expected, Parcell's talk last week about Barber was just that ... talk. I do wonder, however, if Jones' issues picking up the blitz (he was pretty horrible in that regard against the Giants) could open the door for Barber to see more action.Again, I'll believe that when I see it since so far there's been no evidence Parcells is going to make any radical changes to his backfield situation. But that could at least be something to watch.

i just posted the same general concern in the game capsules thread. jones was abysmal at pass protection last night. he was supposed to pick up arrington on the safety, and looked downright foolish on many occasions in protection.i don't know if it was a function of the scoreboard or what, but jones was seeing far fewer snaps in the second half, in favor of barber. inasmuch as Dallas was only down 12-7 at the half (ETA - NYG did score 1 min into the 2nd half, so i guess a 19-7 score was more indicative of the 2nd half scoreboard), i'm thinking it had more to do with parcells' disappointment in jones at pass protection. not sure if this is a sign of things to come, however.

im not sure if its a productive of me watching every down both these rbs have played in the NFL, or that you weren't watching the same game i was watching.. but here is the way it typically goes down.Jones is called on to get 20-22 touches, most of these are designed inside power runs where he'll fight to pick up 3-4 yards. Last night the Dallas O-Line was getting DESTROYED by the Giants front 4 strahan umineyora and arrington were getting free passes at Drew all 1st half. If you think FOR ONE SECOND that Barber blocks that safety you are out of your mind, no one is blocking that safety, no one. Barber is brought in on spreads, 3rd downs and near the goal line, he WILL NOT run inside the tackles, every run is bounce out, bounce out.. Parcells knows Barber doesnt run well inside the tackles which is why he needs a tandem (Jones doesnt run as well to the outside). We've heard the same song and dance from Parcells time and time again, the fact is Jones is decent at pass protection while barber is marginally better (check out the film against the eagles or jags if you dont believe me). When it comes to running the ball though I dont think Barber could do a better job than Jones.

 

[baronson]

im not sure if its a productive of me watching every down both these rbs have played in the NFL, or that you weren't watching the same game i was watching.. but here is the way it typically goes down.Jones is called on to get 20-22 touches, most of these are designed inside power runs where he'll fight to pick up 3-4 yards. Last night the Dallas O-Line was getting DESTROYED by the Giants front 4 strahan umineyora and arrington were getting free passes at Drew all 1st half. If you think FOR ONE SECOND that Barber blocks that safety you are out of your mind, no one is blocking that safety, no one. Barber is brought in on spreads, 3rd downs and near the goal line, he WILL NOT run inside the tackles, every run is bounce out, bounce out.. Parcells knows Barber doesnt run well inside the tackles which is why he needs a tandem (Jones doesnt run as well to the outside). We've heard the same song and dance from Parcells time and time again, the fact is Jones is decent at pass protection while barber is marginally better (check out the film against the eagles or jags if you dont believe me). When it comes to running the ball though I dont think Barber could do a better job than Jones.

you make no sense. how can you say Jones is the inside runner, and yet he's not in on short yardage situations? i agree that their touches are in line with what you have to say, but i think its clear to everyone that Barber is the short yardage guy.having said that, Parcells himself remarked on Jones' inability to pick up the blitz on the safety, so maybe you're missing something.in any event, if you're a cowboys fan, then GO BLUE!!!

 

[Futility]

As many of us expected, Parcell's talk last week about Barber was just that ... talk. I do wonder, however, if Jones' issues picking up the blitz (he was pretty horrible in that regard against the Giants) could open the door for Barber to see more action.Again, I'll believe that when I see it since so far there's been no evidence Parcells is going to make any radical changes to his backfield situation. But that could at least be something to watch.

i just posted the same general concern in the game capsules thread. jones was abysmal at pass protection last night. he was supposed to pick up arrington on the safety, and looked downright foolish on many occasions in protection.i don't know if it was a function of the scoreboard or what, but jones was seeing far fewer snaps in the second half, in favor of barber. inasmuch as Dallas was only down 12-7 at the half (ETA - NYG did score 1 min into the 2nd half, so i guess a 19-7 score was more indicative of the 2nd half scoreboard), i'm thinking it had more to do with parcells' disappointment in jones at pass protection. not sure if this is a sign of things to come, however.

im not sure if its a productive of me watching every down both these rbs have played in the NFL, or that you weren't watching the same game i was watching.. but here is the way it typically goes down.Jones is called on to get 20-22 touches, most of these are designed inside power runs where he'll fight to pick up 3-4 yards. Last night the Dallas O-Line was getting DESTROYED by the Giants front 4 strahan umineyora and arrington were getting free passes at Drew all 1st half. If you think FOR ONE SECOND that Barber blocks that safety you are out of your mind, no one is blocking that safety, no one. Barber is brought in on spreads, 3rd downs and near the goal line, he WILL NOT run inside the tackles, every run is bounce out, bounce out.. Parcells knows Barber doesnt run well inside the tackles which is why he needs a tandem (Jones doesnt run as well to the outside). We've heard the same song and dance from Parcells time and time again, the fact is Jones is decent at pass protection while barber is marginally better (check out the film against the eagles or jags if you dont believe me). When it comes to running the ball though I dont think Barber could do a better job than Jones.

I'm going to assume your use of the superlative "every" is an exaggeration. "Every" run for those two backs does not fit the restrictions you listed.

 

[Viva Tequila]

Jones has had about as good of a year as he could have, yet in my league (6 pts TDs, 1 pt/40 yds rush/rev, 2 for 100, and fractional points) he only has a half point more than MB3. MB3 has scored in 4 straight games (consistent), should get more red zone opportunities with TO back and healthy (greater potential), and has jones' injury issues on his side (more upside).

It seems to me you have to handcuff, and if you haven't, Barbers really the guy to have anyway because of how cheaply you likely got him compared to JJ (I picked him up on WW after week 4)

dang, my league's scoring isn't that close, & it's not like it's a random kinda thing... He's actually pretty consistent. Barber's actually putting up decent RB2 numbers while Jones kinda loses out on some key carries.

Here's my league's score with weekly below it. (PPR)

JJ:

91.1

21.5

13.4

22.8

18.4

15

MB:

65.3

5.2

15.1

16.1

15.2

13.7

That's not how you do it. You have to drop the highest and lowest scoring weeks like Pony Boy would do.JJ - 18.3 ppg

21.5 - 18.4 - 15

MB - 14.67 ppg

15.1 - 15.2 - 13.7

 

[hellz_fireflies]

Why you think they call him Tuna..he's always fishy...

 

[Cowboys#1]

im not sure if its a productive of me watching every down both these rbs have played in the NFL, or that you weren't watching the same game i was watching.. but here is the way it typically goes down.Jones is called on to get 20-22 touches, most of these are designed inside power runs where he'll fight to pick up 3-4 yards. Last night the Dallas O-Line was getting DESTROYED by the Giants front 4 strahan umineyora and arrington were getting free passes at Drew all 1st half. If you think FOR ONE SECOND that Barber blocks that safety you are out of your mind, no one is blocking that safety, no one. Barber is brought in on spreads, 3rd downs and near the goal line, he WILL NOT run inside the tackles, every run is bounce out, bounce out.. Parcells knows Barber doesnt run well inside the tackles which is why he needs a tandem (Jones doesnt run as well to the outside). We've heard the same song and dance from Parcells time and time again, the fact is Jones is decent at pass protection while barber is marginally better (check out the film against the eagles or jags if you dont believe me). When it comes to running the ball though I dont think Barber could do a better job than Jones.

you make no sense. how can you say Jones is the inside runner, and yet he's not in on short yardage situations? i agree that their touches are in line with what you have to say, but i think its clear to everyone that Barber is the short yardage guy.having said that, Parcells himself remarked on Jones' inability to pick up the blitz on the safety, so maybe you're missing something.in any event, if you're a cowboys fan, then GO BLUE!!!

i go by what i see in the games, barber is the short yardage guy, he may get a tough yard here or there but he cannot run between the tackles consistently, he is a shiftier back than Jones and moves to the outside on most of his runs. There is lots of evidence to to support this in the 12-14 games he's played in. Personally I think the tandem works okay for the Cowboys but at some point something has to give and one of these guys will move somewhere else

 

[BassNBrew]

Just a quick heads up...Carolina's LB corp is pathetic and this team gets owned by the screen and short pass. Look for Barber to post huge numbers this week.

 

[CowboyFan]

Just a quick heads up...Carolina's LB corp is pathetic and this team gets owned by the screen and short pass. Look for Barber to post huge numbers this week.

I hope Romo is learning how to throw a screen pass in practice this week.

 

[packersfan]

And it continues. From RotoWorld:

Cowboys head coach Bill Parcells says he wants to get Marion Barber III involved more early in games.

Parcells always says things like this but Julius Jones continues to put up solid numbers while taking the majority of the carries every week. Still, Barber is worth owning in all fantasy leagues because he is a solid bet to score in most games. He did so twice in Week 8.

Source: dallascowboys.com

 

[One]

And it continues. From RotoWorld:Cowboys head coach Bill Parcells says he wants to get Marion Barber III involved more early in games.Parcells always says things like this but Julius Jones continues to put up solid numbers while taking the majority of the carries every week. Still, Barber is worth owning in all fantasy leagues because he is a solid bet to score in most games. He did so twice in Week 8.Source: dallascowboys.com

it's obvious.

 

[djb916420]

And it continues. From RotoWorld:Cowboys head coach Bill Parcells says he wants to get Marion Barber III involved more early in games.Parcells always says things like this but Julius Jones continues to put up solid numbers while taking the majority of the carries every week. Still, Barber is worth owning in all fantasy leagues because he is a solid bet to score in most games. He did so twice in Week 8.Source: dallascowboys.com

Barber's dynasty value continues to climb, after last weeks touchdown at the end of the game where he dragged in 3 defenders you gotta wonder when this guy will take over, if not for dallas another team.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

Just a quick heads up...Carolina's LB corp is pathetic and this team gets owned by the screen and short pass. Look for Barber to post huge numbers this week.

Nice work.