Parcells to cut JJ's carries - Time to trade Julius Jones? (1 Viewer)

[teet0]

RB Julius Jones (DAL) likely won't see as much work as he did last Sunday. "I don't want to do that (give Jones 20 carries)," coach Bill Parcells said. "I want to use Marion (Barber) and I want to get Tyson (Thompson) in there a little bit. The more I can do that, the better off we're going to be."

He's been playing well and 20 carries isn't even that much, but is this time to trade Julius away before this news leaks out?

 

[thecardiackid]

If you're gonna drop a bomb like that, pls provide a preferably to a credible *sports* news source.

 

[Cowboys#1]

same old story with parcells

he always wants to reduce the workload.. then its game time and JJ gets 25 carries

i understand why he said it, he doesnt want to run the guy into the ground but he WILL NOT go away from the running game if its working, if JJ is running well and hitting the holes he will run.

if not barber will get more and more carries.

in short, is it time to panic? i dont think so, id be more worried about JJ's redzone touches then losing a carry or 3

 

[bumpman]

Cowboys mailbag: Parcells says Jones had too many carries

Web Posted: 09/19/2006 07:20 PM CDT

Tom Orsborn

Express-News Staff Writer

Julius Jones ran hard Sunday night. Harder than I've seen him run in quite some time.

He ran well, too, picking up 94 yards on 20 carries for a healthy 4.7 average.

But he also ran too much. Or so says Bill Parcells.

"I don't want to do that (give Jones 20 carries)," Parcells said. "I want to use Marion (Barber) and I want to get Tyson (Thompson) in there a little bit. The more I can do that, the better off we're going to be."

Parcells doesn't believe Jones can stand up to the pounding a back receives carrying the ball 20-25 times per game for 16 contests. That's why the coach was kicking himself for giving Jones three carries after the Cowboys had gone ahead 27-10 midway through the fourth quarter of their victory over the Redskins.

"Yeah, I left him in too long last night at the end of the game,{quot} Parcells said Monday. {quot}I finally got him out myself, so it's my fault."

He also blamed himself for the speedy Thompson not having any carries in the second and third quarters.

"Yeah, I know," Parcells said when reminded he didn't come back to Thompson after giving him one carry in the first quarter. "But when you're up to your rear in alligators, you can't be talking about draining the swamp."

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/stories...ag.2523e9a.html

 

[LordHusker]

This doesn't panic me at all as a Julius owner. Same ol' same ol'.

 

[Wadsworth]

There's still a LOT of room on the tyson thompson band wagon, jump on board!

 

[ThePassion]

how is this "news" haha

i have had julius for years now due to a goofy keeper system and its just more of the same with this cat

he shows promise but he will always have mbIII there

i drafted mb3 this year in hopes jj would just get hurt again

 

[PatsWillWin]

What happened to JJ's pre-season goal of having 1500 yards??? That's going to be one hell of a ypc.

 

[Bankerguy]

What happened to JJ's pre-season goal of having 1500 yards??? That's going to be one hell of a ypc.

He didn't make a prediction this year.He did make one last year.

 

[coolnerd]

I think there was enough pre-season speculation that Jones was going have some sort of split with or could even loss the job to MBIII that it was already reflected in his value. I presume that Jones was probbly drafted as your 2nd Rb, and with say 18 carries a game and health is probably going to produce numbers along those lines.

 

[Sabertooth]

Tyson Thomspon Bandwagon :in:

The truth of the matter is JJ, MB3 and TT are all about equal in ability. So if he runs JJ into the ground, no big deal. If JJ is playing well in a game, he stays in. If he isn't playing that great, he comes out.

This is not a surprise and one of the reason JJ fell in drafts. This is just reaping what was sown.

 

[SOmojo]

These guys are not equal in ability.

Julius Jones is the guy, and while Parcells would like to keep JJ off the field, or at least say he is going to, he never does. He used to say the same things back in the days with the Giants, and come gameday it didn't happen then either.

It will boil down to this.

If the game is in hand, the other backs will get an increased workload. If it is a 10 point game and still alot of time left, the bulk is going to Jones. He knows that Jones is the guy to move the ball, get the tough yards carry after carry, and to keep control of the clock. I think alot of this talk is to also keep Jones on his toes so he doesn't get comfortable. Parcells loves playing mind games.

 

[Bobcat10]

These guys are not equal in ability. Julius Jones is the guy, and while Parcells would like to keep JJ off the field, or at least say he is going to, he never does. He used to say the same things back in the days with the Giants, and come gameday it didn't happen then either. It will boil down to this. If the game is in hand, the other backs will get an increased workload. If it is a 10 point game and still alot of time left, the bulk is going to Jones. He knows that Jones is the guy to move the ball, get the tough yards carry after carry, and to keep control of the clock. I think alot of this talk is to also keep Jones on his toes so he doesn't get comfortable. Parcells loves playing mind games.

I think MBIII looks darn good though.

 

[packersfan]

As a Barber owner I hope this turns out to be the case. If Barber can get 8-10 carries a game plus his goal-line role that would give him RB3 value in some leagues.

However, I have to say I'm a little surprised Parcells use 20 carries as the cutoff for JJ. I understand the desire to keep him fresh and not wear him down but 20 carries really isn't that many by NFL RB standards and I think Jones has looked real good in the first two weeks. Interesting stuff.

 

[Hellfire Snail]

These guys are not equal in ability. Julius Jones is the guy, and while Parcells would like to keep JJ off the field, or at least say he is going to, he never does. He used to say the same things back in the days with the Giants, and come gameday it didn't happen then either. It will boil down to this. If the game is in hand, the other backs will get an increased workload. If it is a 10 point game and still alot of time left, the bulk is going to Jones. He knows that Jones is the guy to move the ball, get the tough yards carry after carry, and to keep control of the clock. I think alot of this talk is to also keep Jones on his toes so he doesn't get comfortable. Parcells loves playing mind games.

I think MBIII looks darn good though.

I though Barber looked like crapola. I think people just automatically say, "MBIII looks GOOD" now, it's like a mantra. Yes I own JJ. And if you openly own MBIII, or do but would rather say you don't to make yourself look objective, let's fight about it!

 

[Kiddnets]

As a Barber owner I hope this turns out to be the case. If Barber can get 8-10 carries a game plus his goal-line role that would give him RB3 value in some leagues. However, I have to say I'm a little surprised Parcells use 20 carries as the cutoff for JJ. I understand the desire to keep him fresh and not wear him down but 20 carries really isn't that many by NFL RB standards and I think Jones has looked real good in the first two weeks. Interesting stuff.

Just got Barber in a trade for cheap - Parcells is not that high on JJ as he was shopping him in the offseason. I can see Barber getting more work as the year continues. Here's hoping anyway!

 

[Bobcat10]

These guys are not equal in ability. Julius Jones is the guy, and while Parcells would like to keep JJ off the field, or at least say he is going to, he never does. He used to say the same things back in the days with the Giants, and come gameday it didn't happen then either. It will boil down to this. If the game is in hand, the other backs will get an increased workload. If it is a 10 point game and still alot of time left, the bulk is going to Jones. He knows that Jones is the guy to move the ball, get the tough yards carry after carry, and to keep control of the clock. I think alot of this talk is to also keep Jones on his toes so he doesn't get comfortable. Parcells loves playing mind games.

I think MBIII looks darn good though.

I though Barber looked like crapola. I think people just automatically say, "MBIII looks GOOD" now, it's like a mantra. Yes I own JJ. And if you openly own MBIII, or do but would rather say you don't to make yourself look objective, let's fight about it!

I own MBIII in one league. That doesn't really factor into anything, he's my #4RB. I think JJ looks good too. I was pretty much responding to Mojo's first line about ability. I don't think there would be any dropoff if either one got 25 carries.

 

[Cheesedawg]

Same thing as last year. Its a RBBC with JJ getting more carries than the other two, but all three are involved. This is why JJ was way overrated on most draft boards. He's not a top 20 back in skill or in job opportunity.

 

[Bankerguy]

Not sure again why all the hate for JJ and love for MB3. JJ is currently 12th on the YTD stats. He has faced solid D's (Jax and Was). He has favourable match ups coming.

To many are using the words over-rated and RBBC. I guess I have been watching different Cowboys games than the rest here.

To all those MB3 owners keep on hoping.

Not a JJ or MB3 owner.

 

[red]

MBIII owner.

JJ looks better; more burst, inside running.

MBIII so far has looked slower and trying to go outside too much. the four goalline attempts in week 2 can be looked at either way: he couldn't punch it in easily or tuna has a ton of confidence in him at the GL.

either way, JJ is the unquestioned starter and MBIII is the 3rd down/COP/GL back. the touches will likely be split 70:30. i'm only holding on to MBIII in case JJ goes down with an injury or as trade bait with a couple of brainless cowboy fan owners.

 

[One]

MBIII owner.JJ looks better; more burst, inside running.MBIII so far has looked slower and trying to go outside too much. the four goalline attempts in week 2 can be looked at either way: he couldn't punch it in easily or tuna has a ton of confidence in him at the GL.either way, JJ is the unquestioned starter and MBIII is the 3rd down/COP/GL back. the touches will likely be split 70:30. i'm only holding on to MBIII in case JJ goes down with an injury or as trade bait with a couple of brainless cowboy fan owners.

I agree (MBIII owner). But man does JJ have a thorn in his side or what. I'd be furious if I used my #1 or #2 on a back who's lost GL caries and is now being told 20 carries is too many. I think the <20 carries quote from Parcells is BS. We'll see.

 

[Jayrod]

MBIII owner.JJ looks better; more burst, inside running.MBIII so far has looked slower and trying to go outside too much. the four goalline attempts in week 2 can be looked at either way: he couldn't punch it in easily or tuna has a ton of confidence in him at the GL.either way, JJ is the unquestioned starter and MBIII is the 3rd down/COP/GL back. the touches will likely be split 70:30. i'm only holding on to MBIII in case JJ goes down with an injury or as trade bait with a couple of brainless cowboy fan owners.

I'm a MB3 owner as well and I am holding him hoping that Jones goes down. I know Jones is the main back in Dallas, but Barber's value in PPR is already worth a #3 RB. The only way I'll really plan to play Barber is if Jones gets hurt or in an emergency situation where one of my top guys gets hurt.

 

[joffer]

maybe he's trying to keep Jones healthy

 

[gman8343]

As a Barber owner I hope this turns out to be the case. If Barber can get 8-10 carries a game plus his goal-line role that would give him RB3 value in some leagues. However, I have to say I'm a little surprised Parcells use 20 carries as the cutoff for JJ. I understand the desire to keep him fresh and not wear him down but 20 carries really isn't that many by NFL RB standards and I think Jones has looked real good in the first two weeks. Interesting stuff.

20 carries a game would equal 320 for the season. That sounds about right to me for a guy like JJ. How many do you want him to have -- 400?

 

[packersfan]

As a Barber owner I hope this turns out to be the case. If Barber can get 8-10 carries a game plus his goal-line role that would give him RB3 value in some leagues. However, I have to say I'm a little surprised Parcells use 20 carries as the cutoff for JJ. I understand the desire to keep him fresh and not wear him down but 20 carries really isn't that many by NFL RB standards and I think Jones has looked real good in the first two weeks. Interesting stuff.

20 carries a game would equal 320 for the season. That sounds about right to me for a guy like JJ. How many do you want him to have -- 400?

Not at all. I just got the sense from the article (and I admit I'm interpreting) that Parcells may be more comfortable with Jones only getting 15 or so carries a game which I think is a little on the low side given how (in my opinion) Jones is clearly the best RB on the team.

 

[J-Co]

Don't have JJ but was looking to deal Kevin Jones + ? for him and M. Barber last week (mostly because I have both KJ and Roy Williams and would like to unload one of them). FWIW I'm no longer interested in making that trade following week 2. Granted, I get PPR so KJ's value is inflated more than in a non-PPR league. But by any objective analysis, I think JJ's stock went down after week 2. Barber vultured a TD and it appears he will get more carries than a typical backup RB. He may or may not be Parcell's preferred option at the GL. These were my concerns in the pre-season going into the draft but the week 1 stats started to make me re-think my take on the situation. Basically, week 2 just has me back to thinking the way I was before. So, long story short.....should you trade him? I think it obviously depends on what you think you can get for him. He's got a TD and pretty decent yards so you might be able to to move him for someone else that you like a little better. With PPR, I'd be even a little more antsy to unload him. If you like KJ, he might be had cheap if his owner doesn't take into account that he just played in probably the 2 toughest matchups he'll face all year. You could gamble and see if the Portis owner is getting nervous.....S. Jackson would be a steal IMO as he's been heavily involved but hasn't found the end zone yet......R. Bush (no TDs), Westbrook (dinged), Caddy (sucked), maybe swing for a WR....lots of possibilities obviously.

 

[boubucarow]

Parcells knows that Jones is the best back on his team by far. He just isn't sure if Jones can handle 25 touches a game without getting injured so he wants to sit him when he can so that he is healthy for the big games at the end of the year. I will bet that at the end of the year in important games and the playoffs, if healthy Jones will get 80-90% of the carries and a couple catches a game.

 

[Ridgelake]

A few thoughts on the Dallas RB situation from a big cowboy fan who doesn't own any of them.

Dallas will run the ball 500 times this year.

Thompson has the best pure running ability of the three. He is the fastest of the three. His problem is all the other things that RBs need to do, namely block. That requires technical precision as well as understanding defenses and blitzes. According to Parcells, Thompson is much improved in this area versus a year ago, but is "a little less than perfect". He's improving here, but is not where he needs to be. Until he is, he'll only get spot carries. When Dallas is up 2 TD in the 4th and not likely to throw much, you'll see him get carries.

Barber has the least speed and does not threaten a defense the way JJ and TT do. He has the best understanding of the game of the three, is the best blocker and receiver of the three. He probably has the most power of the three. Though I'm far from an expert, from watching him, he appears to have good vision and balance. Parcells has said Barber reminds him of Freeman McNeil. A solid, versatile, dependable back. His skill set makes him very good for 3rd downs, goal line, and COP.

JJ is somewhat in between TT and MB. He has breakaway speed that threatens a defense. He has exceptional acceleration. He's a decent pass receiver. And an adequate blocker. He has a decent understanding of defenses and blitzes. From my less than expert eyes, I wish JJ had a bit better vision.

Coming into the season, I expected JJ to get 2/3 of the carries and MB3 1/3. Thats still probably not too far off, baring injury. But if TT keeps improving, he might eat into some of JJ's carries. Maybe something like 60%, 30%, 10%. Or 50%, 35%, 15%. You get the idea.

MB3 isn't being challenged for the 3rd down back position. JJ is being challenged a bit by both TT and MB3 in the base offense. JJ is still the man. But his hold on that role is less firm than MB3's role.

 

[Cheesedawg]

A few thoughts on the Dallas RB situation from a big cowboy fan who doesn't own any of them.Dallas will run the ball 500 times this year.Thompson has the best pure running ability of the three. He is the fastest of the three. His problem is all the other things that RBs need to do, namely block. That requires technical precision as well as understanding defenses and blitzes. According to Parcells, Thompson is much improved in this area versus a year ago, but is "a little less than perfect". He's improving here, but is not where he needs to be. Until he is, he'll only get spot carries. When Dallas is up 2 TD in the 4th and not likely to throw much, you'll see him get carries.Barber has the least speed and does not threaten a defense the way JJ and TT do. He has the best understanding of the game of the three, is the best blocker and receiver of the three. He probably has the most power of the three. Though I'm far from an expert, from watching him, he appears to have good vision and balance. Parcells has said Barber reminds him of Freeman McNeil. A solid, versatile, dependable back. His skill set makes him very good for 3rd downs, goal line, and COP.JJ is somewhat in between TT and MB. He has breakaway speed that threatens a defense. He has exceptional acceleration. He's a decent pass receiver. And an adequate blocker. He has a decent understanding of defenses and blitzes. From my less than expert eyes, I wish JJ had a bit better vision. Coming into the season, I expected JJ to get 2/3 of the carries and MB3 1/3. Thats still probably not too far off, baring injury. But if TT keeps improving, he might eat into some of JJ's carries. Maybe something like 60%, 30%, 10%. Or 50%, 35%, 15%. You get the idea.MB3 isn't being challenged for the 3rd down back position. JJ is being challenged a bit by both TT and MB3 in the base offense. JJ is still the man. But his hold on that role is less firm than MB3's role.

I think you are exactly right with your read on the situation. So in fantasy terms, JJ is, at best, a RB2 who many owners have drafted as a RB1. Considering his tendency to get hurt and fumble, I think he could end up being a shaky RB2 at that.

 

[dallas ram]

I think Barber is actually = to Jones RIGHT NOW in PPR leagues. 3rd down back? Hello! Exclusive goaline back too, after I watched Barber get 4 STRAIGHT CARRIES from the 2 yard line on NBC. He easily outscored Jones this past week in my league.

 

[Topes]

I think Barber is actually = to Jones RIGHT NOW in PPR leagues. 3rd down back? Hello! Exclusive goaline back too, after I watched Barber get 4 STRAIGHT CARRIES from the 2 yard line on NBC. He easily outscored Jones this past week in my league.

He's not a 3rd-down back.He subs in on a series here and there.IIRC, that was his series.

 

[Armando]

MB3

All 3rd downs? Check

Goallines? Check

Inserted on 1st and 2nd downs throughout the game? Check

This news story shouldn't scare Jones owners. What should scare you is that you took Jones in the 1st place.

 

[Bankerguy]

I am so sick of this debate. People see what they want to see.