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So a kid at my kids school said "what's up, n*****".  He is black and my son is white.  My son responded with "don't call me a n*****".  The other kid got mad and is now telling everyone my son is racist and everyone at school is pointing him out as the racist kid.

I'm at odds on what to do.

 
So a kid at my kids school said "what's up, n*****".  He is black and my son is white.  My son responded with "don't call me a n*****".  The other kid got mad and is now telling everyone my son is racist and everyone at school is pointing him out as the racist kid.

I'm at odds on what to do.


How old?  Shouldn't matter, but a discussion with the kid's teacher and principal is probably warranted so nothing is escalated further.  

 
How old?  Shouldn't matter, but a discussion with the kid's teacher and principal is probably warranted so nothing is escalated further.  


7th grade.

My kid doesn't want us to tell anyone at the school.  Said he is getting mad fun of already and doing this will only make it worse.

 
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7th grade.

My kid doesn't want us to tell anyone at the school.  Said he is getting mad fun of already and doing this will only make it worse.
Don't take parenting advice from 7th graders. Discuss with the teacher or school, whatever's appropriate. Other kid is apparently trying to make something of nothing, but if your kid feels like "everyone at school is pointing him out as the racist kid" then it's reached the point where it should be addressed.

 
Don't take parenting advice from 7th graders. Discuss with the teacher or school, whatever's appropriate. Other kid is apparently trying to make something of nothing, but if your kid feels like "everyone at school is pointing him out as the racist kid" then it's reached the point where it should be addressed.
something of nothing, or could have misheard or misunderstood your son.

either way, it needs to be cleared up by adults.

 
You definitely need to address this.  If you don't, your son will retain the rep of being a racist.  Something like that tends to stick these days.

 
I would think this falls under the umbrella of bullying.

As the father of a now 22 year old son that still hasn't really gotten over his junior high bullying...I would not let this stand.

Your son should be shown that this is not a situation where you roll over and take it.

 
Yeah, crappy situation.

I was this age like 25 years ago (Jesus, I'm getting old) and got called that word in casual conversation surrounding basketball fairly often. (my team in Junior/HS was like half black kids, so it got thrown around a little bit in the locker room, playing pickup, etc.). By the time HS came around, I knew to sort of treat it as a compliment (as one of the few white kids that was  on the court at the park around mostly older black guys in their teens/20's)....as weird as that probably sounds. But I still knew enough not to repeat it.

While it might to lead to some additional short term embarrassment, I think sit-down with the school/other kid and their parents probably makes sense. This is PROBABLY something that will eventually be forgotten (assuming no additional incidents) but I think some damage control is definitely necessary.

Sucks. Tough life lesson for sure.

 
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If your son wants to continue going to this school he needs to man up. Your son took the question the wrong way, the only way this kind of gets resolved is if your son apologizes to the kid he offended and becomes friends with him. Your son needs to let the other kid know he is uninformed and not a racist. 

 
If your son wants to continue going to this school he needs to man up. Your son took the question the wrong way, the only way this kind of gets resolved is if your son apologizes to the kid he offended and becomes friends with him. Your son needs to let the other kid know he is uninformed and not a racist. 
I kind of agree with you but didn’t want to respond. I’m not a fan of that word but my sons all like rap songs and well, it’s a very featured word. I also know that even in 7th grade, they would have known better than to say it back and what the other boy meant. It sucks, but an apology or talk with the other boy might be the only resolution.

 
An apology? 

"I'm sorry I didn't want you to call me ######?"

No way.
Seriously? The other boy was greeting him and while yes, it’s not how I’d want my sons to be greeted, I think they’d just just say what’s up or hey dude back. To say the N word back and possibly saying it in a way the connotes to never call me that because I’m in no way like you, the reaction isn’t that surprising.

It’s a double standard, but it’s life. Black people use the word. White people shouldn’t. I agree with @Dezbelief that it might be the only way to stop it. Something like this. Listen, I wasn’t trying to say I wouldn’t want to be your friend. I just don’t like that word at all so I was shocked when you said it and I didn’t mean to say it back.

 
Yeah, crappy situation.

I was this age like 25 years ago (Jesus, I'm getting old) and got called that word in casual conversation surrounding basketball fairly often. (my team in Junior/HS was like half black kids, so it got thrown around a little bit in the locker room, playing pickup, etc.). By the time HS came around, I knew to sort of treat it as a compliment (as one of the few white kids that was  on the court at the park around mostly older black guys in their teens/20's)....as weird as that probably sounds. But I still knew enough not to repeat it.

While it might to lead to some additional short term embarrassment, I think sit-down with the school/other kid and their parents probably makes sense. This is PROBABLY something that will eventually be forgotten (assuming no additional incidents) but I think some damage control is definitely necessary.

Sucks. Tough life lesson for sure.
I had a bunch of black friends including one of my best friends, even in my pasty white high school, so I get what you are saying.

Hopefully, I don’t come off as blaming the OP’s son. It’s clearly a misunderstanding but I can see how the other boy took what his son said wrong. I think damage control is in order and if possible, working it out with the other boy would be best. Parents/school can help but that has it’s own problems in terms of parents coming to the rescue as other kids see it.

 
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I really can't grasp what I'm reading here.

A person gets called ###### (yes I understand it was in a casual greeting), says that he doesn't want to be called that word, is accused of being a racist because he doesn't want to be called that word - and it's that person that has to apologize?

That's just weird. 

 
Any chance that the other kid thought he actually responded "Don't call me n*****, n*****"? Because that would be a lot different from the situation described. 

As described, he has nothing to apologize for. Best outcome would be a conversation between your kid and the other kid to clear the air. If that's not going to happen, a discussion with the teacher/principal should be had to make sure things don't escalate. 

 
If your son wants to continue going to this school he needs to man up. Your son took the question the wrong way, the only way this kind of gets resolved is if your son apologizes to the kid he offended and becomes friends with him. Your son needs to let the other kid know he is uninformed and not a racist. 
This seems like the best advice to me.  Bullies enjoy getting a reaction from their victims.  The son needs to adjust his approach to the situation.  Helping him to understand why his initial response was wrong is where I would start.  If he still thinks his initial response was fine then he'll probably run into similar problems in the future.  How would going to the school or teacher be beneficial?  Wouldn't that just give the bullies more ammunition?

 
I really can't grasp what I'm reading here.

A person gets called ###### (yes I understand it was in a casual greeting), says that he doesn't want to be called that word, is accused of being a racist because he doesn't want to be called that word - and it's that person that has to apologize?

That's just weird. 
Welcome to the world and I’ll be honest, I’m surprised you don’t get it. In the other boy’s mind it was a casual greeting that was not only rebuffed, but the word was used again in a negative way. Let’s replace the word with friend:

What’s up friend?

Don't call me friend.

Without even getting into the N word, it’s a negative response. Add in the N word and I get the response. I feel bad because the OP’s son is now labeled in a horrible way and middle school is already a tough place for a lot of kids. He wasn’t trying to get that response but I can see how it would be interpreted that way.

That’s why we were saying it might need a mea culpa type response not  hey why can’t white people use the word when black people use it all the time response. The son just wants it to stop not to make a stand.

 
I really can't grasp what I'm reading here.

A person gets called ###### (yes I understand it was in a casual greeting), says that he doesn't want to be called that word, is accused of being a racist because he doesn't want to be called that word - and it's that person that has to apologize?

That's just weird. 


I think it's more a more about how he went about it.  Granted the kid is in 7th grade so I wouldn't expect him to have all the answers in social situations, but if he had said to the other kid "Please don't call me that, it makes me uncomfortable." instead of making it seem confrontational then it likely wouldn't have escalated at all.  Apologizing for how it came out isn't a bad thing, even if the bigger apology really ought to come from the other kid.  Clearing the air and working with the other kid is way better than turning this into a grudge/fight.

 
Welcome to the world and I’ll be honest, I’m surprised you don’t get it. In the other boy’s mind it was a casual greeting that was not only rebuffed, but the word was used again in a negative way. Let’s replace the word with friend:

What’s up friend?

Don't call me friend.

Without even getting into the N word, it’s a negative response. Add in the N word and I get the response. I feel bad because the OP’s son is now labeled in a horrible way and middle school is already a tough place for a lot of kids. He wasn’t trying to get that response but I can see how it would be interpreted that way.

That’s why we were saying it might need a mea culpa type response not  hey why can’t white people use the word when black people use it all the time response. The son just wants it to stop not to make a stand.
This is crazy.  I understand what you are trying to say but everyone should know that the n-word has a different meaning (even when being used by blacks as a casual greeting).  To then respond that you don't want that word used shouldn't be taken in any negative way.  I don't even see how it could be taken negatively.  This just seems way too crazy to me.  

 
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This is crazy.  I understand what you are trying to say but everyone should know that the n-word has a different meaning (even when being used by blacks as a casual greeting).  To then respond that you don't want that word used shouldn't be taken in any negative way.  I don't even see how it could be taken negatively.  This just seems way too crazy to me.  
Right on. The responder wasn't responding in a negative way.

He asked to NOT be called that word. Using The N-Word in the context of asking to not be called The N-Word is not using The N-Word negatively or racially.

Then the other kid escalated it by branding him a racist for NOT wanting to be called a racist word.

That's bizarre, but not unprecedented today. It's how bullies get operate. They feign offense and then it's up to the other person to "make it right" - it's a dominance thing. 

 
I think it's more a more about how he went about it.  Granted the kid is in 7th grade so I wouldn't expect him to have all the answers in social situations, but if he had said to the other kid "Please don't call me that, it makes me uncomfortable." instead of making it seem confrontational then it likely wouldn't have escalated at all.  Apologizing for how it came out isn't a bad thing, even if the bigger apology really ought to come from the other kid.  Clearing the air and working with the other kid is way better than turning this into a grudge/fight.
I could agree with the first part. Taking the high road - even/especially when you don't have to - is good conflict resolution.

But it's the other kid that prevented that from happening by immediately turning it into a fight - and worse.

 
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I could agree with the first part. Taking the high road even if you don't have to is good conflict resolution.

But it's the other kid that prevented that from happening by immediately turning it into a fight.
Right, so what's the right answer?  Digging in your heels and making things an even bigger deal, or trying to come to a resolution with the other kid?  Because forcing something through the school doesn't seem like it's really going to resolve the issue for his son every day.  Don't get me wrong, I think the other kid is 99% at fault here, but recognizing that his kid did at least a little bit to escalate the situation is still a good learning experience and can be used to de-escalate the situation.

 
Right, so what's the right answer?  Digging in your heels and making things an even bigger deal, or trying to come to a resolution with the other kid?  Because forcing something through the school doesn't seem like it's really going to resolve the issue for his son every day.  Don't get me wrong, I think the other kid is 99% at fault here, but recognizing that his kid did at least a little bit to escalate the situation is still a good learning experience and can be used to de-escalate the situation.


I don't think talking to teachers and/or principal is necessarily "forcing something," but rather I'd hope that they'd be able to bring the two together to have this kind of conversation, guided in a way to help each of them to see the other's perspective and helping to keep things from getting worse.

 
judgey folks in here.

we don't know how the kid responded. we don't know what the other kid heard. could've been a misunderstanding, misheard it, or the son's tone face/body language could've come across as hostile and negative, intended or not.

we're all exposed to different things- I'm with stbugs in reading this as the one kid being friendly/inclusive by using that word, and then being reacted to negatively by the son. whatever it was, the kid is now reacting to a perceived hurt. 

I know lots of people who, when they hurt somebody else's feelings base their apology on their own intent, not the other person's hurt feelings. NO WAY I'M NOT APOLOGIZING I DIDN"T MEAN ANYTHING. I get caught up in that too, but it's selfishly childish and lacking empathy. more tied into having to be right than caring about the other person.

so the son can try to understand what's going and apologize if needed, or draw the line in the sand and be "right".

 
Yeah, I really don't see much benefit in getting involved or going to the school.  Your kid knows what he meant.  He can easily say, "I didn't want to be called that word because I'm not comfortable with its use.  I realize I shouldn't have used it myself, even in that way."  And some kids are going to keep picking on him, because that's what kids do.  But there's nothing he can do about it except make his position clear.  

 
Right, so what's the right answer?  Digging in your heels and making things an even bigger deal, or trying to come to a resolution with the other kid?  Because forcing something through the school doesn't seem like it's really going to resolve the issue for his son every day.  Don't get me wrong, I think the other kid is 99% at fault here, but recognizing that his kid did at least a little bit to escalate the situation is still a good learning experience and can be used to de-escalate the situation.
It has a better chance of doing so than leaving it up to children.

Adults need to teach kids what the right way is of dealing with these issues - even if it's uncomfortable for both. I think the principal and/or guidance counselors should sit the kids in a room together and talk about how this thing could have been prevented or at least not escalated. Then, it might be prudent to talk to the student body about it as well. Throwing around charges of racism is a dangerous thing and needs to be dealt with.

I just picture a similar situation between girls and the use of the word "Slut". "Hey, slut"/"Don't call me slut"/"You're such a slut!"/girl is branded as a slut. 

This is how mental health issues fester in children and can result in situations like suicide. Adults leave it up to kids to resolve on their own, and since those kids are unequipped to do so the results can be disastrous. 

 
Yeah, I really don't see much benefit in getting involved or going to the school.  Your kid knows what he meant.  He can easily say, "I didn't want to be called that word because I'm not comfortable with its use.  I realize I shouldn't have used it myself, even in that way."  And some kids are going to keep picking on him, because that's what kids do.  But there's nothing he can do about it except make his position clear.  
well said, and I agree... except I don't think you can even get most adults to achieve that level of civility, let alone some pimply faced moron 7th grader (I'm talking about my own kids here... I'm sure all of yours are social geniuses)- especially around a topic like race. imo, speaking to an adult/teacher to help get things explained isn't a bad thing.

 
well said, and I agree... except I don't think you can even get most adults to achieve that level of civility, let alone some pimply faced moron 7th grader (I'm talking about my own kids here... I'm sure all of yours are social geniuses)- especially around a topic like race. imo, speaking to an adult/teacher to help get things explained isn't a bad thing.
My four-year old may literally be a sociopath.

 
It has a better chance of doing so than leaving it up to children.

Adults need to teach kids what the right way is of dealing with these issues - even if it's uncomfortable for both. I think the principal and/or guidance counselors should sit the kids in a room together and talk about how this thing could have been prevented or at least not escalated. Then, it might be prudent to talk to the student body about it as well. Throwing around charges of racism is a dangerous thing and needs to be dealt with.

I just picture a similar situation between girls and the use of the word "Slut". "Hey, slut"/"Don't call me slut"/"You're such a slut!"/girl is branded as a slut. 

This is how mental health issues fester in children and can result in situations like suicide. Adults leave it up to kids to resolve on their own, and since those kids are unequipped to do so the results can be disastrous. 
Well I kind of assumed the OP would be helping to guide his son not just sending him off to figure it out on his own, but I don't disagree that having the two boys with a guidance councilor would be a good thing.  I think bringing in the Principal to do it just makes it seem a little too authoritative if the goal is to hopefully educate both boys and resolve the conflict.  Just my :2cents:

 
This is crazy.  I understand what you are trying to say but everyone should know that the n-word has a different meaning (even when being used by blacks as a casual greeting).  To then respond that you don't want that word used shouldn't be taken in any negative way.  I don't even see how it could be taken negatively.  This just seems way too crazy to me.  
See @Foosball God ‘s post above. Don’t call me N word is easy to misinterpret, regardless of actual intent. Also, that statement is not exactly the same as “you don’t want that word used” as you said. You are adding extra meaning that the other boy didn’t hear. Please don’t call me that or I’m uncomfortable with that word is a lot different than don’t call me N word.

Also, I don’t mean to insinuate anything about you but the bolded is where the racial divide in this country is. You don’t see how it could be taken negatively but here’s a case in point where it was.

 
See @Foosball God ‘s post above. Don’t call me N word is easy to misinterpret, regardless of actual intent. Also, that statement is not exactly the same as “you don’t want that word used” as you said. You are adding extra meaning that the other boy didn’t hear. Please don’t call me that or I’m uncomfortable with that word is a lot different than don’t call me N word.

Also, I don’t mean to insinuate anything about you but the bolded is where the racial divide in this country is. You don’t see how it could be taken negatively but here’s a case in point where it was.
I don't think that is a racial divide issue.  I think that is the country being selfish (on all sides) mode.  They only care about themselves and don't take intent of other people into account.  Yes, I am including myself into that.  

I just don't see where an apology is needed by the responding kid.  I agree the response shouldn't have used the offending word.  It could have been done as simply "don't call me that" or "I don't like that word" rather than actually using the word.  But to be labeled as racist because you said you didn't want to be called the n-word is absolutely wrong.  

 
Right on. The responder wasn't responding in a negative way.

He asked to NOT be called that word. Using The N-Word in the context of asking to not be called The N-Word is not using The N-Word negatively or racially.

Then the other kid escalated it by branding him a racist for NOT wanting to be called a racist word.

That's bizarre, but not unprecedented today. It's how bullies get operate. They feign offense and then it's up to the other person to "make it right" - it's a dominance thing. 
I’m sorry, but even as a white guy growing up in a predominantly white area, we don’t see eye to eye on this. In no way am I saying the OP’s son meant any harm, but it’s amazing to me that you can’t see how this is taken the wrong way by a black boy. Calling him a bully? Feigning offense? Damn.

“Don't call me N-word” is not going to have good connotations to any black person, even if it was meant in a good way. I don’t see how that will be interpreted as “I find that word very offensive, so please don’t use that word, but otherwise I am doing well today, thanks for asking.”

 
Sounds like your sons response was taken the wrong way. He probably meant it as “I don’t like that word”. The other kid may have taken it as “I don’t want to be referred to as a black person”. I’d try and get the kids together with a teacher/principal and maybe even the other kids parents and clear the air. Sounds like we’re friendly before this.

 
I’m sorry, but even as a white guy growing up in a predominantly white area, we don’t see eye to eye on this. In no way am I saying the OP’s son meant any harm, but it’s amazing to me that you can’t see how this is taken the wrong way by a black boy. Calling him a bully? Feigning offense? Damn.

“Don't call me N-word” is not going to have good connotations to any black person, even if it was meant in a good way. I don’t see how that will be interpreted as “I find that word very offensive, so please don’t use that word, but otherwise I am doing well today, thanks for asking.”
I don't get it. But that's totally fascinating.

 
I don't think that is a racial divide issue.  I think that is the country being selfish (on all sides) mode.  They only care about themselves and don't take intent of other people into account.  Yes, I am including myself into that.  

I just don't see where an apology is needed by the responding kid.  I agree the response shouldn't have used the offending word.  It could have been done as simply "don't call me that" or "I don't like that word" rather than actually using the word.  But to be labeled as racist because you said you didn't want to be called the n-word is absolutely wrong.  
While I agree that if everyone thought about other people’s feelings, we’d be in a much nicer place, I still think it’s a racial divide when white people say I can’t possibly understand why black people take it that way.

We agree on the softer response going better and I think that’s why a bunch of us suggested that as a way to get the OP’s son out from being labeled a racist. That’s the point of this discussion, right? OP’s son’s statement was clearly misinterpreted and he doesn’t want to be called a racist for the rest of his middle and high school years.

 
Sounds like your sons response was taken the wrong way. He probably meant it as “I don’t like that word”. The other kid may have taken it as “I don’t want to be referred to as a black person”. I’d try and get the kids together with a teacher/principal and maybe even the other kids parents and clear the air. Sounds like we’re friendly before this.
This makes everything make so much more sense. Thank you.

 
I don't get it. But that's totally fascinating.
If you said Hey friend! and the response was Don’t call me friend, would you consider that a negative response? Add in the N word and you get what you got. It’s really that simple.

The N word has bad connotations when said by a white person, been that way for a long, long time. Would you ever walk up to a black guy and say what’s up my N word? I don’t care how friendly you appear and if your second sentence was just so you know I mean it in the best way possible because I love rap too, it’s still going to be taken as a negative response. 

 
If it's 7th graders, I'm kind of skeptical of the "my feelings are hurt because you think you're too good to be called the N-word" angle.  I'd guess this was pretty much a kid trying to take advantage of a "we can say it and you can't" situation.  

 
If you said Hey friend! and the response was Don’t call me friend, would you consider that a negative response? Add in the N word and you get what you got. It’s really that simple.

The N word has bad connotations when said by a white person, been that way for a long, long time. Would you ever walk up to a black guy and say what’s up my N word? I don’t care how friendly you appear and if your second sentence was just so you know I mean it in the best way possible because I love rap too, it’s still going to be taken as a negative response. 
But it's not that simple because of the word being used.  The N-word is nowhere near "friend".  It's not a simple substitution for word play.

 
Sounds like your sons response was taken the wrong way. He probably meant it as “I don’t like that word”. The other kid may have taken it as “I don’t want to be referred to as a black person”. I’d try and get the kids together with a teacher/principal and maybe even the other kids parents and clear the air. Sounds like we’re friendly before this.
Exactly. Seems so easy to get how it could be interpreted and heck the other boy may not have even said this kid’s racist. He may have just relayed exactly what was said to his other friends and everyone thought the same thing.

Some people are want to die on the why can’t white people use that word too, but the OP’s son is just looking to clear the air and make sure his actual intended words are heard so that he’s not being labeled a racist. Working it out with the other boy and gasp saying he’s sorry that his words got misunderstood because he doesn’t like the word at all.

 
But it's not that simple because of the word being used.  The N-word is nowhere near "friend".  It's not a simple substitution for word play.
Right, it’s not but I’m just trying to show how “Don’t call me X” is a negative response to a what’s up greeting.

Layer on top of that using the N word and I can understand what happened. I’m not condoning that because it wasn’t the intent, but I’m also not going to say that he had a proper response and that in no way should it have been interpreted negatively.

 
Interesting discussion, and it highlights my thoughts on this, which I've had for quite a while.  We've not had any issues, but I've had the discussion with my son (turned 17yo yesterday), because two of his best friends are black. A while back, I heard them calling each other the N word while playing Xbox in his room, etc.  When I questioned/scorned him, he said "don't worry I've got a pass from them" meaning they have given him permission to call them the N word. 

The underlying issue as I see it is a grander societal one (and this goes back to even my junior high day and probably before that, I'm sure) is that the word is treated as a term of endearment by blacks. Adding to that is the fact that it is also romanticized as "cool slang" in hip hop music, which is listened to and liked by people of all races.  So we're going to just set an arbitrary rule that only blacks can use the word with each other (or to others) and anyone breaking said rule is a racist? That's crap. There are basically 2 different N words. The derogatory one (THAT one is the racist one) and the cool slang one (that one is not). Of course, context absolutely matters. 

I know we have a few black posters on these boards or at least we used to, and I would love to hear their opinion. 

 
If you said Hey friend! and the response was Don’t call me friend, would you consider that a negative response? Add in the N word and you get what you got. It’s really that simple.

The N word has bad connotations when said by a white person, been that way for a long, long time. Would you ever walk up to a black guy and say what’s up my N word? I don’t care how friendly you appear and if your second sentence was just so you know I mean it in the best way possible because I love rap too, it’s still going to be taken as a negative response. 
So what would have happened had the response been a good natured, "Doing fine, ######!"?

I'm just trying to understand the rules here. It was okay for the black kid to use it talking to the white kid, but would ANY rejoinder using the word be verboten?

 

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