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Pasquino's dynasty IDP rankings (1 Viewer)

fruity pebbles

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Could someone tell him not to do them anymore, it screws up the combined rankings. I mean Ogun the #3 DL, Kiwanuka the #6 DL, Mathis not even in his rankings. Weddle, Tillman, Winfield, Marshall not even in his DB rankings. Never even got to LBers. I'm all for going against the grain but really?

 
just omit them if you don't like them.donenothin to see here
Not only that, but they are HIS rankings. Would you rather see rankings that were all the same? Why not just look at one persons then? Someones opinion may very sharply, but thats what gives them their rankings. But like dude said, just omit them if you dont want them.
 
Is this his first time doing rankings? Definintely some REAL head scratchers there. As I said with Wood's rankings, I'm all for contrarian thinking but I found his rankings largely useless. At the very least, I would like to hear some of his justifications....

Troy at DB2, Ed Reed at DB5 - while Weddle, Griffin and Winfield weren't ranked at all?

Ware at LB1? Briggs and Pos feel way too high at LB4 and Lb5 respectively. Meanwhile, EJ Henderson at LB46 and Cooper not ranked at all?

I'm not going to get into the rest of the DL rankings, but Corey Smith at DL10? Really?

 
Definintely some REAL head scratchers there. As I said with Wood's rankings, I'm all for contrarian thinking but I found his rankings largely useless. At the very least, I would like to hear some of the discussion behind the rankings.

The ones that jump out at me:

Troy at DB2, Ed Reed at DB5 - while Weddle, Griffin and Winfield weren't ranked at all?

Ware at LB1? Briggs and Pos feel way too high at LB4 and Lb5 respectively. Meanwhile, EJ Henderson at LB46 and Cooper not ranked at all?

I'm not going to get into the rest of the DL rankings, but Corey Smith at DL10? Really? I wonder if he mixed up Avril and Smith maybe??

 
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fruity pebbles said:
Could someone tell him not to do them anymore, it screws up the combined rankings. I mean Ogun the #3 DL, Kiwanuka the #6 DL, Mathis not even in his rankings. Weddle, Tillman, Winfield, Marshall not even in his DB rankings. Never even got to LBers. I'm all for going against the grain but really?
Everyone is entitled to their opinions, and I've taken feedback every single year and worked to either explain the ranking or drink in criticism to make changes. Both result it better rankings.I will say that this process is VERY time consuming and I'm not 100% done yet. I know I've missed a few names.I don't have an issue with O-Gun or Kiwi being Top 10 DLs though.
 
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I'm all for different perspectives and unique thinking in these rankings, but I would love to see Pasquino defend Richard Marshall and the rookie safeties outside his top 60 DB rankings.

 
Jeff, first off please accept my thanks for all of the work you and the guys here (yourself, Jene, John, Anthony, Bloom & Bob especially) do. Certainly we will not always agree on rankings, but through our discussion we ALL learn as you and Jene often point out.

I cannot speak for the others asking questions or making critiques but I'd like to at least share my perspective... I recently made a similar critique of Wood's (maybe he's new?) rookie IDP rankings. I hesitated before doing so because the strength of this forum is the absence of **** swinging (pardon the expression) and I didn't want my post to be taken the wrong way. But, you guys have established a standard of thoroughness, accuracy and insight in your rankings and everything you do at FBG's that I thought was noticeably absent in his rankings.

As an avid fan and proponent, I ultimately feel it is also our responsibility to hold you guys to the very standard of excellent work you guys have set. Differing opinions on rankings are healthy. So to are making sure those doing the rankings here uphold the lofty standards of thought and time that we have come to expect to be put into them.

There, I feel better... Thanks again. :drive:

 
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I'm all for different perspectives and unique thinking in these rankings, but I would love to see Pasquino defend Richard Marshall and the rookie safeties outside his top 60 DB rankings.
For some strange reason not all rookies were available to me when I loaded them this AM.I'll be going back and reviewing / changing these rankings Saturday - but I'm very aware that I am missing about 10 rookies or so across the board.
 
Jeff, I'd love to hear some discussion on the rankings I mentioned above if you have time. Like I said, they seem very off to me, but would appreciate some insight into your thinking here.

 
Everyone is entitled to their opinions, and I've taken feedback every single year and worked to either explain the ranking or drink in criticism to make changes. Both result it better rankings.

I will say that this process is VERY time consuming and I'm not 100% done yet. I know I've missed a few names.

I don't have an issue with O-Gun or Kiwi being Top 10 DLs though.
Well, I believe some of your rankings are right in line with my thinking....LB16 Jonathan Vilma NOS (Jeff=29) Vilma has a serious knee issue and there is no telling how long he can stay on the field. NYJ was willing to let him go due to this issue. I don't see him making it a full 16 games.

LB19 DJ Williams Den (Jeff = 34) He is returning from a major injury/surgery. Can he fully recover and play at the same high level in a new scheme with new supporting cast and a completely different DL? I don't see him as Top 25 either.

LB32 Julian Peterson Det (Jeff=19) I would have agreed to this before the Foote signing. Peterson is likely to be SLB now and his stock takes a hit. At MLB, ranking him Top 25 is not a reach IMO.

Keep up the work and let us know what you are thinking on some of the fliers. A tidbit of insight could make the difference in many a FF season!

 
see, having different opinions is fine. No worries. but when there are some WAAAAAY out there opinions on so many different players, it kinda makes you think "hmmm....did the formatting get screwed up, did the email get garbled, was he working off a corrupted excel spreadsheet", etc.

LB:

Julian Peterson at 14, just above Jerod Mayo (dynasty?), and way ahead of Jonathan Vilma (29) and London Fletcher (30). Both Peterson and Fletcher are in their 30s. Both Peterson and Vilma have had major injuries. The difference is that Fletcher, Mayo and Vilma all have topped 100 solos in a season and they all topped 90 last season. Peterson has never broken 80, and has only broken 70 twice in 7 seasons.

Ok. He's really big on Julian Peterson in Detroit's scheme. Not that big of a deal, but....

DL :

Adewale Ogunleye at #3 DL over Peppers, Suggs, Cole, Tuck, and Mario Williams. This is like saying Jamal Lewis should be ranked higher than Michael Turner, Adrian Peterson, Matt Forte, Steven Jackson, etc. Now, I own Ogre, so I hope he's right! ;) But I'm not holding my breath.

Corey Smith at #10 DL when Cliff Avril is 58, Dwight Freeney is 25, and Robert Mathis is MIA.

and then...

DB:

Nnamdi Asomugha at #10? QBs stopped throwing to his side of the field 3 years ago when he had more receptions than the WRs he was covering

Tanard Jackson at 11, Jermaine Philips at 13, Deon Grant at 19, Dawan Landry at 23, yet Yeremiah Bell, Eric Weddle, Antoine Winfield, Richard Marshall, Sean Jones, Charles Tillman and Cedric Griffin are unranked.

Seriously now, something happened. I refuse to believe that Jeff doesn't think that a dozen of the top young DBs in the game do not deserve a ranking, yet Donte Whitner and Tanard Jackson are 1st stringers?

Jeff! Ya got something weird going on in your excel spreadsheet! Kill the macro virus! It boinked your rankings!!! :lmao:

 
LB16 Jonathan Vilma NOS (Jeff=29) Vilma has a serious knee issue and there is no telling how long he can stay on the field. NYJ was willing to let him go due to this issue. I don't see him making it a full 16 games.
Vilma didn't have any problems last year, so unless there is something new about his knee, I don't think it is an issue at all. He did have a knee injury previously, but to my knowledge, it's not a long-term issue. If something happened since last year, that's a different story, and if it did, I haven't seen it.
 
LB16 Jonathan Vilma NOS (Jeff=29) Vilma has a serious knee issue and there is no telling how long he can stay on the field. NYJ was willing to let him go due to this issue. I don't see him making it a full 16 games.
Vilma didn't have any problems last year, so unless there is something new about his knee, I don't think it is an issue at all. He did have a knee injury previously, but to my knowledge, it's not a long-term issue. If something happened since last year, that's a different story, and if it did, I haven't seen it.
I think the Jets moved Vilma mainly because they didn't like him as a ILB in their 34. I don't beleive the injured knee is an issue, he made it thru 16 games last year. Saints were comfortable to resign him to a 5 year deal worth 34 million with 17 guaranteed.
 
Just speculation here, but I'm guessing that Jeff leans toward quality NFL players instead of quality FF players. There some merit to the argument - Archuleta was a really good FF player, but he lost his job because he wasn't a good NFL player. However, with the depth of replacement-level players on IDP, I don't think future value is worth much of anything in IDP. I don't mean to say that a 35-year-old LB you expect to outscore a 25-year-old LB by 10 points this season should be ranked higher, but there's really no value to a guy like Asomugha, even if he's assured of his starting spot for the next five seasons. You'd do better just grabbing whatever new CB is starting for a cover-2 team off the waiver wire every year than holding Asomugha.

 
Take a close look at the rankings.

I mean, a REALLY CLOSE LOOK.

I'm not pointing fingers, but I stand by my statement that "he hit the sort button on his excel spreadsheet but it sorted the wrong column"

 
Corey Smith at #10 DL
Wasn't he lost at sea a few months ago?
Exactly.As I've said, the other things are rankings that might be defensible under different reasons, etc. I'm not sure how you can under any circumstances justify that one.
Yikes, that is a bad error / awful.I can explain how it happened - he was in the LB list for some reason and all my LBs are ranked ahead of DBs and ahead of DLs - so if there's a reclassification then I have a big boo-boo show up. I maintain one gigantic list of 1,000 players but focus on the key 200 or so guys for each list, so that is the nuts and bolts of how it happened.I'm about to undertake a massive review of these, so bear with me - but I will fix that error and completely remove him from the list.Thanks.
 
Jeff, I see you still have Ogre listed as #3 DL

now, that gives me pause (and motivation) because I own him in one of my main leagues. I was considering trying to attach him to someone else as a "throw-in" on a trade, but I'm wondering, what is it about him and his situation that sparks such high hopes?

thanks a ton, really interested in your response.

 
Jeff, I see you still have Ogre listed as #3 DLnow, that gives me pause (and motivation) because I own him in one of my main leagues. I was considering trying to attach him to someone else as a "throw-in" on a trade, but I'm wondering, what is it about him and his situation that sparks such high hopes?thanks a ton, really interested in your response.
Sure.From a FF perspective, he's been a Top 12 DE for the last two seasons and hasn't missed a game - and his opposite DE is far from stable (a mish-mash of Mark Anderson and Alex Brown). Tommy Harris cements the middle, but O-Gun doesn't have the luxury of another good pass rusher on the other side. Even so, he's played 16 games the last 2 seasons and still been a top DE.I've read that they're going to attempt to fix the Anderson/Brown combo, which should help things for the Bears - but basically O-Gun is a strong DE who rarely comes off the field and is a Top 10 DE you can put in your lineup each and every week with little to worry about. With Jason Taylor and other DEs starting to get old, O-Gun is up there with the NYG DEs right near the top.The only downside is that he isn't a big-play DE with lots of FF or turnovers or sacks. He's just a solid DE1 that is a strong fantasy starter that you can play off of if you have to start two. Either you can put in a high risk guy like Mathis or Abraham and hope he gets one of his 10+ sacks that week, or you can stick in a Trent Cole with O-Gun and pretty much know that you'll average around 6-7 tackles and nearly a sack every week.
 
ok, I gotcha, you're looking at his consistency and steady production. He's kinda "low risk", similar to a guy like Justin Smith but with more consistency

and yeah, I've tried getting Trent Cole, who I love, but his owner isn't budging. :2cents:

 
Jeff, speaking of rankings... I was looking at the dynasty LB rankings from last season and comparing them to the current dynasty LB rankings and the biggest thing that jumped out was how low you have Jonathan Vilma compared to everyone else.

Last year you had Vilma ranked #38 when everyone else had him in the top #10. This jumped out to me because I rostered Vilma last year with the understanding that he was a major risk/reward target coming off knee surgery, but with the alternatives I was facing, I thought he was well worth the risk. That said, I didn't necessarily disagree with your ranking considering the injury risk, although I did think it was a bit of an absolute worst case projection.

But now coming off a season where he finished 7th or 8th among all LB's in FBG's scoring and didn't miss a single game, I'm trying to rationalize how you have him #29 in your dynasty rankings and #19 in redraft when again, almost everyone has him in the top 10. I can still somewhat comprehend the dynasty ranking (especially if you're looking a few years down the line), but I cannot fathom that you really believe there are basically 20 LB's who will outscore him THIS year?

Maybe you had him in his post stud Jets years and he let you down??? :shrug:

Interested in hearing your thoughts here. Thanks, as always.

 
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Jeff, speaking of rankings... I was looking at the dynasty LB rankings from last season and comparing them to the current dynasty LB rankings and the biggest thing that jumped out was how low you have Jonathan Vilma compared to everyone else.Last year you had Vilma ranked #38 when everyone else had him in the top #10. This jumped out to me because I rostered Vilma last year with the understanding that he was a major risk/reward target coming off knee surgery, but with the alternatives I was facing, I thought he was well worth the risk. That said, I didn't necessarily disagree with your ranking considering the injury risk, although I did think it was a bit of an absolute worst case projection.But now coming off a season where he finished 7th or 8th among all LB's in FBG's scoring and didn't miss a single game, I'm trying to rationalize how you have him #29 in your dynasty rankings and #19 in redraft when again, almost everyone has him in the top 10. I can still somewhat comprehend the dynasty ranking (especially if you're looking a few years down the line), but I cannot fathom that you really believe there are basically 20 LB's who will outscore him THIS year?Maybe you had him in his post stud Jets years and he let you down??? :unsure: Interested in hearing your thoughts here. Thanks, as always.
Great questions, and I have no issue discussing Vilma.I flat out missed on the opportunity last year. I wasn't alone but that doesn't matter. The point is that I thought he wasn't going to excel in New Orleans, but he did.Now, as for 2009 and beyond - remember how the Saints were last year. #1 offense in the league in passing and scoring. Why? The defense gave up a ton of points, yards and struggled to get off of the field. Vilma was a benefactor of this with lots of tackles after RBs and TEs picked up 5-8 yards a play. Great for IDP leagues, terrible for a real defense.Fast forward to today and the Saints have spent a great deal of time, effort and money to build a better defense (and with good cause). I think that they can get off the field easier and make bigger plays (get some turnovers) and that will lower the opportunities for Vilma. The front four was leaky last year which allowed him to grab gaudy numbers last year, but I think that will start to decrease in 09 and even further in 2010 and onward.The analagous SITUATION of players is DJ Williams and Paris Lenon. DJ is better than Paris, but both racked up big IDP numbers last year on bad defenses. I wouldn't invest heavily in either player - Lenon especially - but DJ doesn't catch my eye enough during games. He's not around the ball or making enough of an impact for me to really like (I have him low, again). Vilma? He's much closer to the action and makes plays in alignment with that fact.I hope that made sense and helped.
 
Is this his first time doing rankings? Definintely some REAL head scratchers there. As I said with Wood's rankings, I'm all for contrarian thinking but I found his rankings largely useless. At the very least, I would like to hear some of his justifications....Troy at DB2, Ed Reed at DB5 - while Weddle, Griffin and Winfield weren't ranked at all?Ware at LB1? Briggs and Pos feel way too high at LB4 and Lb5 respectively. Meanwhile, EJ Henderson at LB46 and Cooper not ranked at all? I'm not going to get into the rest of the DL rankings, but Corey Smith at DL10? Really?
Then why not ask that instead of requesting he be fired or removed from rankings. I don't pay attention to everyone. You can omit some as has been said here. I do.
 
Is this his first time doing rankings? Definintely some REAL head scratchers there. As I said with Wood's rankings, I'm all for contrarian thinking but I found his rankings largely useless. At the very least, I would like to hear some of his justifications....Troy at DB2, Ed Reed at DB5 - while Weddle, Griffin and Winfield weren't ranked at all?Ware at LB1? Briggs and Pos feel way too high at LB4 and Lb5 respectively. Meanwhile, EJ Henderson at LB46 and Cooper not ranked at all? I'm not going to get into the rest of the DL rankings, but Corey Smith at DL10? Really?
Then why not ask that instead of requesting he be fired or removed from rankings. I don't pay attention to everyone. You can omit some as has been said here. I do.
I'm sorry - can you show me where I suggested that he either gets fired or removed? Oh and did you miss the part where I said I would like to hear his justifications??
 

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