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Pass Interference Review Unlikely to Return in 2020 (1 Viewer)

RIP. It was entertaining while it lasted.
:lmao: Joe says not to leave just a rolling emoji, so I'll say that the refusal to enforce obvious PI on the defense shows an almost willfully sanctionable offense against the CBA by the officials. They won. Screw them. They still stink and the NFL still won't go full time.

Greed and obduracy ruling the day here. 

 
So don't judge, it's corona time around here, I'm in lockdown and yeah I watched the 1990 Saints Bear playoff game... and I only mention that because right around the 22:00 mark the officials in the booth did a quick review of a drop by Saints backup TE Greg Scales. It did not look like a close call to me or the announcers (Summerall & Madden, yes) but they just went ahead and did it. They did it again at 1:00. No red flag, no challenge, no timeout, no commercial, no nothing. Zip, quick, done, hardly noticed, the play was upheld. This is not hard, I'm firmly convinced the league could just have a process for overturning bad calls and non-calls if they wanted to and it could be seamless. How do I know? Because they did it over 20 years ago.

 
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It's pretty bull#### that the officials got away with straight up ignoring a new league rule for an entire season, and then the league let them win and ####canned it. 

 
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It's pretty bull#### that the officials got away with straight up ignoring a new league rule for an entire season, and then the league let them win and ####canned it. 
The only reason they had the rule is because Sean Payton and his fan base whined and complained about 1 bad call. NFL (Goodell) didn't want it. So he told the refs how to enforce it (which IMO was no different than your local sherriff telling the deputies not to pull anyone over unless they are going more than 12 the speed limit). It wasnt the officials banding together to screw the league. The problem was too many coaches' challenges were as if they were asking the deputy to pull over a guy going 3 over the speed limit.

At least this came full circle... it started with the Saints and ended with the Saints 

 
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They're saying an EYE IN THE SKY is coming though which could be great.
This is what is needed.  No more challenges.  All done by the sky judge on basically obvious missed calls.  No more slowing down to a frame per minute and super slow mo that can make anything look like a catch/no catch/etc.  Half speed at the slowest and be done in the time the play clock runs down.  If not obvious and takes longer it shouldn't be overturned. 

 
So don't judge, it's corona time around here, I'm in lockdown and yeah I watched the 1990 Saints Bear playoff game... and I only mention that because right around the 22:00 mark the officials in the booth did a quick review of a drop by Saints backup TE Greg Scales. It did not look like a close call to me or the announcers (Summerall & Madden, yes) but they just went ahead and did it. They did it again at 1:00. No red flag, no challenge, no timeout, no commercial, no nothing. Zip, quick, done, hardly noticed, the play was upheld. This is not hard, I'm firmly convinced the league could just have a process for overturning bad calls and non-calls if they wanted to and it could be seamless. How do I know? Because they did it over 20 years ago.
How much money did the networks/league/owners/players make during this quick replay? I think replay is nothing more than a money maker now. There are still blown calls. Just as many in fact when you consider that they overturn certain things in week#1 and it morphs by the time they reach week#17.

I like scores and TO's being reviewed. Those are the biggest swings in the game anyway. Only replay the most important 10% of plays. 

 
How much money did the networks/league/owners/players make during this quick replay? I think replay is nothing more than a money maker now. There are still blown calls. Just as many in fact when you consider that they overturn certain things in week#1 and it morphs by the time they reach week#17.

I like scores and TO's being reviewed. Those are the biggest swings in the game anyway. Only replay the most important 10% of plays. 
That's what I was thinking. I saw at least three replays in that game through three quarters. They did not show the replays however, just bang bang, the refs held up play for a bit, they waited a short while and they resumed play.

 
I like scores and TO's being reviewed. Those are the biggest swings in the game anyway. Only replay the most important 10% of plays. 
The problem is what happens on scores and TO plays that should be reviewed but aren't? Last season, the Patriots whole season pivoted on a play that should have been a TD against the Chiefs but was called out of bounds instead. NE didn't have any more challenges (they just had to burn one on a catch and fumble that wasn't called initially). Here is the N'Keal Harry play.

NE ended up having to kick a FG. On their last drive, NE was down 7 points instead of 3 points. A FG on their last drive would have sent the game to OT. The Pats got to the KC 5 yard line but couldn't get a TD. 

The Patriots weren't going to win the SB anyway, but that one call could have changed the whole trajectory of the AFC. With a win, NE would have had homefield advantage in the playoffs while the Chiefs would have gone on the road instead.

Not really making a big fuss about things . . . sure, the Pats could have played better in that game or beaten the Dolphins a few weeks later and still earned homefield. The overall point was bad calls happen, and as of now there isn't a way to correct them.

 
How much money did the networks/league/owners/players make during this quick replay? I think replay is nothing more than a money maker now. There are still blown calls. Just as many in fact when you consider that they overturn certain things in week#1 and it morphs by the time they reach week#17.

I like scores and TO's being reviewed. Those are the biggest swings in the game anyway. Only replay the most important 10% of plays. 


The problem is what happens on scores and TO plays that should be reviewed but aren't? Last season, the Patriots whole season pivoted on a play that should have been a TD against the Chiefs but was called out of bounds instead. NE didn't have any more challenges (they just had to burn one on a catch and fumble that wasn't called initially). Here is the N'Keal Harry play.

NE ended up having to kick a FG. On their last drive, NE was down 7 points instead of 3 points. A FG on their last drive would have sent the game to OT. The Pats got to the KC 5 yard line but couldn't get a TD. 

The Patriots weren't going to win the SB anyway, but that one call could have changed the whole trajectory of the AFC. With a win, NE would have had homefield advantage in the playoffs while the Chiefs would have gone on the road instead.

Not really making a big fuss about things . . . sure, the Pats could have played better in that game or beaten the Dolphins a few weeks later and still earned homefield. The overall point was bad calls happen, and as of now there isn't a way to correct them.
This is a great example why having only some plays as auto reviews.  It only gets reviewed if the call on the field was a TD.  The example was a TD but since it wasn't called on the field it did not get auto review.  That is a big flaw in that particular aspect of the system. 

This is why there should be no challenges and it should all be done by the sky judge (who is part of the officiating crew).  He can watch the game from the birds eye view with limited replay availability (half speed is slowest and only until next play or 60 seconds if he radio's down for a stoppage).  This will overturn any obvious plays which is really all that is needed. 

That is the system I would vote for. 

 
The problem is what happens on scores and TO plays that should be reviewed but aren't? Last season, the Patriots whole season pivoted on a play that should have been a TD against the Chiefs but was called out of bounds instead. NE didn't have any more challenges (they just had to burn one on a catch and fumble that wasn't called initially). Here is the N'Keal Harry play.

NE ended up having to kick a FG. On their last drive, NE was down 7 points instead of 3 points. A FG on their last drive would have sent the game to OT. The Pats got to the KC 5 yard line but couldn't get a TD. 

The Patriots weren't going to win the SB anyway, but that one call could have changed the whole trajectory of the AFC. With a win, NE would have had homefield advantage in the playoffs while the Chiefs would have gone on the road instead.

Not really making a big fuss about things . . . sure, the Pats could have played better in that game or beaten the Dolphins a few weeks later and still earned homefield. The overall point was bad calls happen, and as of now there isn't a way to correct them.
We just disagree on the overall point. I think the overall point is bad calls will happen and no rule is going to correct them all or make every fan happy even if we doubled the number of replays in a game.

As you have just pointed out even with all the coaches challenges and challenges in the final 2 minutes, etc it still could have cost the Patriots big in that situation. In the rare instance where there is an obvious PI Saints fans will be quick to point out that the PI mistakes aren't "fixed" unless it resulted in a TD or TO. My solution is to catch 90% of the biggest plays but get away from the tortured system that the league has created. Sometimes holding just isn't called. Sometimes a strike is actually a little inside the strike zone. Sometimes a slash in hockey is really a borderline call. I'm not sure where or when we decided that a sport officiated by human beings couldn't absorb ANY bad calls in a game but I feel like that's where expectations seem to have settled.

The way we got here is pretending that there is a way to correct them all in the first place. And there still aren't enough replays for some people.

 
We just disagree on the overall point. I think the overall point is bad calls will happen and no rule is going to correct them all or make every fan happy even if we doubled the number of replays in a game.

As you have just pointed out even with all the coaches challenges and challenges in the final 2 minutes, etc it still could have cost the Patriots big in that situation. In the rare instance where there is an obvious PI Saints fans will be quick to point out that the PI mistakes aren't "fixed" unless it resulted in a TD or TO. My solution is to catch 90% of the biggest plays but get away from the tortured system that the league has created. Sometimes holding just isn't called. Sometimes a strike is actually a little inside the strike zone. Sometimes a slash in hockey is really a borderline call. I'm not sure where or when we decided that a sport officiated by human beings couldn't absorb ANY bad calls in a game but I feel like that's where expectations seem to have settled.

The way we got here is pretending that there is a way to correct them all in the first place. And there still aren't enough replays for some people.
there should be less replays.  This got out of hand when replays went from just a re-showing of the play in the exact same view to super slo-mo and every angle imaginable.  Because of that you can make anything look like a catch (or not a catch) depending on your bias.  I think removing the slo-mo and 8000 angles of the play you will be able to correct blatant missed calls and reset the point of view.  Rather than trying to get everything right (when you can slow something down to make it look like anything) just try to get the obvious mistakes corrected.  Let the human officials be human and let the intent of the play/rule be the important part.

 

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