Passing games your avoiding or buying? (1 Viewer)

[ShaHBucks]

It's funny when a team get two TE's and starts to be called a teams Gronk/Hernandez, last year I notice that means jack #### without Tom Brady and Belicheck. So I want you guys help me spot players in passing games your avoiding or buying because of qb play or coaching. Lets face it without Tom Brady and Belichek you don't have Wes Welker, you have Danny Amendola. Or the same can be said in Baltimore, you don't have Gronk/Hernandez you have Dixon/Pitta. Some players can still produce without a good qb like Andre Johnson or Megatron but those guys are rare breeds.

The Browns: Greg Little is intriguing physically like a Andre Johnson type and should be better this year. I seen him drop a few would be touchdowns and no way he can be as bad as last year. Everyone else I'll wont even consider with Weeden throwing the ball this year.

The Jags: actually a few guys I like in Robinson, Shorts and Robiski but Gabbert stinks.

The Dolphins: Same issue with the Jags. Hartline and the rookie Rishard Mathew are interesting talents but all three of the qb's I'm not a fan of so I'll avoid all of these Wr in Miami.

One I'm buying is Detroit. The end of last season Stafford took a jump into the elite in my eyes, so players like Broyles/Young/Dillard are all on my watch list as I'm looking for a Jordy Nelson, Laurent Robinson or Victor Cruz 2nd receiver type.

Another is the Bills running the spread. Donald Jones and Stevie Johnson are high on my ppr list as they should be running a ton of short routs.

Any other passing game you suggest to avoid or buy into?

 

[mr roboto]

Avoid - Jax, Mia, Stl (a mess)

Buy - Outside the obvious, Oak, Min, Bal

 

[ShaHBucks]

Avoid - Jax, Mia, Stl (a mess)Buy - Outside the obvious, Oak, Min, Bal

What players would you highlight that can be a Cruz/Nelson/Robinson type?

 

[Ghost Rider]

Avoid:

Dallas, and this was before Witten's spleen injury. I don't trust Dez Bryant to not do something else stupid and not get suspended, Miles Austin is always tweaking something, and with Laurent Robinson now in Jacksonville, I don't know who their 3rd WR will be. I am not saying their passing game won't be good, but for the ADP of all of those four main guys, I ain't buying any of them. This thing with Witten has made me drop them even more.

 

[FDC]

Buy: Titans, Seattle, Wash

ETA: Indy

I'm not sure who exactly, but there should be value somewhere.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Avoidallas, and this was before Witten's spleen injury. I don't trust Dez Bryant to not do something else stupid and not get suspended, Miles Austin is always tweaking something, and with Laurent Robinson now in Jacksonville, I don't know who their 3rd WR will be. I am not saying their passing game won't be good, but for the ADP of all of those four main guys, I ain't buying any of them. This thing with Witten has made me drop them even more.

Witten seen a ton of coverage, I always thought that freed up Austin to be the yac guy he was. Dez looks like he wants to be a wast of talent like Braylon Edwards. Definitely a team I wasn't thinking to avoid

 

[ShaHBucks]

Buy: Titans, Seattle, WashETA: IndyI'm not sure who exactly, but there should be value somewhere.

Im watching Garçon, Hankerson and Moss close in Wash, they can see a ton of single coverage this year like Tebows Wr's did. Sea and Tenn qb situation is scary because it's not even resolved, usually qb battles mean 1 or more players stink. I do think both teams have talent at Wr. Indy should be upgraded but I'm not reaching. I was big on Wayne and Collie weeks ago but the more i look at it they really came down to earth without Manning. I don't mind being wrong here.

 

[FDC]

Buy: Titans, Seattle, WashETA: IndyI'm not sure who exactly, but there should be value somewhere.

Sea and Tenn qb situation is scary because it's not even resolved, usually qb battles mean 1 or more players stink.

Not those 2 battles IMO

 

[Ghost Rider]

Indy should be upgraded but I'm not reaching. I was big on Wayne and Collie weeks ago but the more i look at it they really came down to earth without Manning. I don't mind being wrong here.

True, but Luck, even as a rookie, should be a major upgrade over what they had at QB last year. Luck will have his rough spots, and Wayne and Collie will suffer at times in the process, but I like all three of those guys right now at their ADPs. But I always hated seeing that last Sunday, as their stocks are likely to shoot up by the time I get around to most of my auctions/drafts.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Indy should be upgraded but I'm not reaching. I was big on Wayne and Collie weeks ago but the more i look at it they really came down to earth without Manning. I don't mind being wrong here.

True, but Luck, even as a rookie, should be a major upgrade over what they had at QB last year. Luck will have his rough spots, and Wayne and Collie will suffer at times in the process, but I like all three of those guys right now at their ADPs. But I always hated seeing that last Sunday, as their stocks are likely to shoot up by the time I get around to most of my auctions/drafts.

Definitely a low risk/high reward. More so Collie and the TE's, I'm big on age when Im handicapping upside even though Wayne wasn't exactly terrible last year when I watched.

 

[Mr. Soup Nazi]

Buy:

KC - Cassel will be better this year, their running game will be huge and as long as Bowe shows up, there will be a TON of room for other receivers to run around.

TENN - Both Britt & Wright are elite talents and whether Hass or Locker, the QB situation will be above average.

Avoid:

Miami - no QB and a bunch of meh pass catchers

Seattle - unlike Tennessee, whoever wins this QB battle just isn't very good.

 

[Banger]

Love Detroit this year...Megatron causes such huge mismatches it's going to allow Burleson, Young, Pettigrew to run wild. The new greatest show on turf....

I'm avoiding the Cards, Seattle, Jax, Miami, NY Jets, probably Oak, SF

 

[Penguin]

Love Detroit this year...Megatron causes such huge mismatches it's going to allow Burleson, Young, Pettigrew to run wild. The new greatest show on turf....

I'm avoiding the Cards, Seattle, Jax, Miami, NY Jets, probably Oak, SF

I don't want any receiver on the Jets

 

[Hagger]

Buying: Atlanta, arguably the best receiver tandem in the league, a HoF tightend and a quick guy out of the backfield. Matt Ryan looks poised and ready to break into the upper tier.

Buffalo, It's not that the talent here is special, but Fitzpatrick has been given the green light to call plays and chuck the ball a lot.

Indianapolis, I'm a believer.

Not buying: Baltimore, there's a reason they run so much: Flacco is overrated.

Seattle, it's just a mess.

San Francisco, Alex Smith is a bust. Accept it and move on already.

 

[Warpig]

Buying: Chicago, Atlanta, Pittsburgh

Not Buying: Cleveland, Arizona, NYJ, Jacksonville

 

[Two Deep]

Avoidallas, and this was before Witten's spleen injury. I don't trust Dez Bryant to not do something else stupid and not get suspended, Miles Austin is always tweaking something, and with Laurent Robinson now in Jacksonville, I don't know who their 3rd WR will be. I am not saying their passing game won't be good, but for the ADP of all of those four main guys, I ain't buying any of them. This thing with Witten has made me drop them even more.

Not to mention their O-LINE is horrific.

 

[Zeff]

Avoid: Denver.

At the prices these guys are going, on the assumption that Peyton Manning will automatically turn them into Harrison/Wayne/Clark, there is extremely high risk with no upside.

Peyton is a cripple, pure and simple. His arm is shot. His neck is shot. He's one good sack away from doom. He's never been able to play outside at a level that would make him any better than Jay Cutler in the first place. And that was in his prime...which this is not. I'd expect a prime Manning to be a world class disappointment playing a full season in Denver. I expect this Manning to be bottom of the league terrible.

DT is the only guy I'd give even casual consideration to, only because I think he might be talented enough to be a 1000/7 guy after they scrape Manning's corpse off the field around week 4. The rest of this offense is going to kill teams all over the FF landscape.

 

[FantasyTrader]

Avoidallas, and this was before Witten's spleen injury. I don't trust Dez Bryant to not do something else stupid and not get suspended, Miles Austin is always tweaking something, and with Laurent Robinson now in Jacksonville, I don't know who their 3rd WR will be. I am not saying their passing game won't be good, but for the ADP of all of those four main guys, I ain't buying any of them. This thing with Witten has made me drop them even more.

Not to mention their O-LINE is horrific.

I keep hearing this and it's not the case. Now granted I don't think their O-Line much is above average, but they have a ton of injuries and starters are projected to return before the regular season. Classic case of watching the Cowboys 1st string offense for 3 series (and I'll grant you they looked B-A-D) and making sweeping generalizations about their 2012 outlook. The Cowboys passing game is gonna be just fine this year.

 

[Corporate]

Considering the latest news about Redman, I am wondering if that means the Steelers are going to need to lean a little bit more on the passing game regardless of any RB's left in the stable. Take that and the new offense, I am thinking they could/should be on the list.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Avoid: Denver.At the prices these guys are going, on the assumption that Peyton Manning will automatically turn them into Harrison/Wayne/Clark, there is extremely high risk with no upside.Peyton is a cripple, pure and simple. His arm is shot. His neck is shot. He's one good sack away from doom. He's never been able to play outside at a level that would make him any better than Jay Cutler in the first place. And that was in his prime...which this is not. I'd expect a prime Manning to be a world class disappointment playing a full season in Denver. I expect this Manning to be bottom of the league terrible.DT is the only guy I'd give even casual consideration to, only because I think he might be talented enough to be a 1000/7 guy after they scrape Manning's corpse off the field around week 4. The rest of this offense is going to kill teams all over the FF landscape.

Lmao at calling him a cripple Denver starts the season with Pit, Atl, Hou and NE. Then Bal once in the playoffs. I think you might be right but I'm buying low after the bye week if Manning isn't in a nursing home by then. Looking at the schedule some people are going to be really disappointed early in the season.

 

[Buffaloes]

Avoidallas, and this was before Witten's spleen injury. I don't trust Dez Bryant to not do something else stupid and not get suspended, Miles Austin is always tweaking something, and with Laurent Robinson now in Jacksonville, I don't know who their 3rd WR will be. I am not saying their passing game won't be good, but for the ADP of all of those four main guys, I ain't buying any of them. This thing with Witten has made me drop them even more.

The Witten injury solidifies it to me.Also, OP, you're* not your. Sorry, guy, but it's a pet peeve.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Avoid: Denver.At the prices these guys are going, on the assumption that Peyton Manning will automatically turn them into Harrison/Wayne/Clark, there is extremely high risk with no upside.Peyton is a cripple, pure and simple. His arm is shot. His neck is shot. He's one good sack away from doom. He's never been able to play outside at a level that would make him any better than Jay Cutler in the first place. And that was in his prime...which this is not. I'd expect a prime Manning to be a world class disappointment playing a full season in Denver. I expect this Manning to be bottom of the league terrible.DT is the only guy I'd give even casual consideration to, only because I think he might be talented enough to be a 1000/7 guy after they scrape Manning's corpse off the field around week 4. The rest of this offense is going to kill teams all over the FF landscape.

While I disagree with your assessment on Manning, I agree that the Denver passing game guys are going way too early. Ton of potential issues there: Manning's health / rust, unproven players at WR / TE, conservative coach, strong running game. People seem to be expecting a seamless transition which I think is alot to hope for considering the amount of change.I also think the Atlanta hype has gotten out of control. Julio in the 1st? Matt Ryan a top 5 QB? No thanks.

 

[ShaHBucks]

I also think the Atlanta hype has gotten out of control. Julio in the 1st? Matt Ryan a top 5 QB? No thanks.

Atlanta's schedule is unreal. Julio on a per game bases was unreal. Can't ever go wrong with Roddy. It's not so much Matt Ryan it's the weak schedule and talent around him.

 

[lbouchard]

This thread is actually quite interesting to me. When you look at last year and the guys that massively outproduced their ADP (Gronk, Graham, Steve Smith, Victor Cruz, Jordy Nelson), one thing you see that they all have in common is that they're from elite passing offenses. So when looking for breakout candidates, I think an elite or top tier offense at the least is a must. DET is the only team that didn't really have 2 top receiving options. So Titus Young is probably my favorite breakout guy. Stevie Johnson in that Buffalo spread is also a guy I really like.

 

[Bobby Guano]

Buying: outside the obvious NE/GB/DET/ATL/NYG

Minn:

They showed some flashes last year and Ponder/Percy/Simpson/Rudolph could provide some decent value. That defense is still going to be really bad and they play GB/DET/CHI 2 twice a year so they are going to have to chuck it to compete. I could see them putting up a lot of garbage time numbers worst case.

Indy:

Bad defense and the best QB prospect in years paired with some good WR's in Wayne/Collie plus they like Minn play in a dome.

Buffalo:

Fitzy/Johnson/Jackson and company have show some flashes here and there the last couple years. Hopefully they can put all toghter this season.

Avoiding: outside the obvious CLE/MIA/NYJ

I agree with they guys that said Dallas/Denver

I'll through NO in there just because I don't like all the other crap going on with them.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Looking at passing teams ranked outside my top 12 I found a few names. Two teams I'm not buying is SF and Hou because their philosophy is to run. With Houston's defense and run game they don't ever need to pass the ball, it's Andre Johnson or nothing for me. Alex Smith is coming off one of the greatest playoff games I've ever watch, he stopped turning the ball over, that's really important in real life but not on my fantasy team if your barely getting 200 yards. Another example, if you put Jimmy Graham in SF and Vernon Davis in NO who would would be the afterthought?

I can't buy Oakland. D. Moore and J. Ford are exciting, Carson Palmer not so. If you listen to people defending Palmer it's more excuses than I care to invest in.

One guy I'm buying cheap is Sam Bradford. I started a ton of teams with Stafford/Bradford last year because it rhymed honestly. I don't like his weapons buy he's got his guy Amendola back. Steve Smith was a stud until he hurt his knee right before trying to get a contract. Salas is solid, another guy that was hurt. D. Alexander is a beast but we know his story. It's too many names to endorse any wr but assuming they have better luck with injuries they should be nice options for Bradford. Everyone is forgetting what he made Mark Clayton look like as a rookie. He also had a stretch during 2010 where he went for 11:1 td to int, that's unheard of from a rookie. I see a guy everyone is down on by ranking him in the mid-high 20's but he could finish 10-15. You can have Schaub, Alex Smith, Cutler and the other rookie QB's. Hate the O-Line, still plenty of upside at a cheap price, and he plays in a dome too. If I get a top QB and don't back them up with Rivers/Ryan then Bradford is my guy with one of my last picks or during the free agency.

 

[Judge Smails]

Avoidallas, and this was before Witten's spleen injury. I don't trust Dez Bryant to not do something else stupid and not get suspended, Miles Austin is always tweaking something, and with Laurent Robinson now in Jacksonville, I don't know who their 3rd WR will be. I am not saying their passing game won't be good, but for the ADP of all of those four main guys, I ain't buying any of them. This thing with Witten has made me drop them even more.

I disagree here. I think DAL will be playing from behind a lot this year. One reason I don't like Murray (the line is the other). Tons of attempts = tons of opportunities. I like Bryant quite a bit, will bite on Austin if he drops too far and looking at possible 3rd WR options as well. Romo with throw a lot of TD's - and INT's. But that doesn't affect the WR's.

 

[sycamore]

Looking at passing teams ranked outside my top 12 I found a few names. Two teams I'm not buying is SF and Hou because their philosophy is to run. With Houston's defense and run game they don't ever need to pass the ball, it's Andre Johnson or nothing for me. Alex Smith is coming off one of the greatest playoff games I've ever watch, he stopped turning the ball over, that's really important in real life but not on my fantasy team if your barely getting 200 yards. Another example, if you put Jimmy Graham in SF and Vernon Davis in NO who would would be the afterthought? I can't buy Oakland. D. Moore and J. Ford are exciting, Carson Palmer not so. If you listen to people defending Palmer it's more excuses than I care to invest in. One guy I'm buying cheap is Sam Bradford. I started a ton of teams with Stafford/Bradford last year because it rhymed honestly. I don't like his weapons buy he's got his guy Amendola back. Steve Smith was a stud until he hurt his knee right before trying to get a contract. Salas is solid, another guy that was hurt. D. Alexander is a beast but we know his story. It's too many names to endorse any wr but assuming they have better luck with injuries they should be nice options for Bradford. Everyone is forgetting what he made Mark Clayton look like as a rookie. He also had a stretch during 2010 where he went for 11:1 td to int, that's unheard of from a rookie. I see a guy everyone is down on by ranking him in the mid-high 20's but he could finish 10-15. You can have Schaub, Alex Smith, Cutler and the other rookie QB's. Hate the O-Line, still plenty of upside at a cheap price, and he plays in a dome too. If I get a top QB and don't back them up with Rivers/Ryan then Bradford is my guy with one of my last picks or during the free agency.

I'm buying on the Stafford/Bradford combo for a couple years from now for my league where I can start 2 QBs.

 

[Tanner9919]

Buying

Jax - crazy , I know..but Blackmon looks like a man among boys out there..Gabbert looks pretty good so far. it's early, I know, but they have weapons on that Jax offense and Blackmon makes them legit.

GB/N.O./Giants

Chicago

Buffalo

Denver

SD - losing Brown hurts, but there is still plenty of talent on that offense..

Washington

Indy

Eagles

Selling

Jets

Dallas

Cleveland - they'll show improvement, but there's still a long way to go.

Chiefs - not that Cassel is bad, it's just that the Chiefs figure to play the easiest run schedule,and if preseason is any indication,the Chiefs are going to run the ball down opponents throats all season long..

Miami

 

[ShaHBucks]

Avoid: Denver.At the prices these guys are going, on the assumption that Peyton Manning will automatically turn them into Harrison/Wayne/Clark, there is extremely high risk with no upside.Peyton is a cripple, pure and simple. His arm is shot. His neck is shot. He's one good sack away from doom. He's never been able to play outside at a level that would make him any better than Jay Cutler in the first place. And that was in his prime...which this is not. I'd expect a prime Manning to be a world class disappointment playing a full season in Denver. I expect this Manning to be bottom of the league terrible.DT is the only guy I'd give even casual consideration to, only because I think he might be talented enough to be a 1000/7 guy after they scrape Manning's corpse off the field around week 4. The rest of this offense is going to kill teams all over the FF landscape.

props