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Pat' off season and next year (2 Viewers)

Was out of town for the weekend and WEEI is talking all baseball with the trade deadline, was there any news on Branch this weekend? I haven't been able to catch anything news wise.

TIA

 
Day Five Training Camp Links

Day 5 open

Day 5, 1st practice

Bill's take

Day 5, 2nd practice

from patriots.com

Training camp: Tuesday morning notes

Ask PFW: Early camp concerns

The good news for Patriots fans is that training camp 2006 has finally opened and the process of building toward the regular season is underway. The bad news is that camp kicked off without Deion Branch, with Richard Seymour and nine other players on the physically unable to perform list and the three-time defending champs have as many questions right now as they had at any point this offseason. With that in mind we kick off another edition of Ask PFW as fans weigh in on Branch, Seymour, a number of positional battles and everything else that’s happening these days in Foxborough.
It was good to hear that Brady was at Practice, that Brown and Jackson are back, and that Brady is plugging for Branch. Need to get all the WRs ready! Patriots Remove WR Bam Childress and WR Chad Jackson From PUP List
 
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So is there really room for both of them? Could be a great RBBC...

Patriots | Dillon says he's not in competition with Maroney

Published Wed Aug 2 12:15:00 a.m. ET 2006

(KFFL) The Associated Press reports New England Patriots RB Corey Dillon says he's not in competition with rookie RB Laurence Maroney and that there is plenty of room for both of them in the team's backfield. "There's no competition," Dillon said of what is expected to be a battle for the team's starting running back job. "We're here to help the team win, period. I don't care who's in there, me or him." After adjusting his offseason training, Dillon said he is healthy and fitter than in 2005, when he averaged a career-low 3.5 yards per carry and had a long gain of 29 yards. Dillon said he has dropped 4 pounds from last season, down to 231, and can see the difference already. Even if he isn't the starter, Maroney is expected to ease some of the burden on Dillon, who turns 32 in October.

 
From Rotoworld/ESPN.com. Not good...

Tedy Bruschi-LB-Patriots Aug. 2 - 2:40 am et

Pats linebacker Tedy Bruschi may have fractured his wrist in practice on Tuesday.

He'll miss at least a week of camp while the injury is evaluated and the Pats already have depth problems at LB. We should know the severity of his injury in the next day or two.

Source: ESPN.com

 
From Rotoworld/ESPN.com. Not good...

Tedy Bruschi-LB-Patriots Aug. 2 - 2:40 am et

Pats linebacker Tedy Bruschi may have fractured his wrist in practice on Tuesday.

He'll miss at least a week of camp while the injury is evaluated and the Pats already have depth problems at LB. We should know the severity of his injury in the next day or two.

Source: ESPN.com
Until I see otherwise I'll keep hammering away this point...front 7 depth is this team's achilles heel. Hopefully I'm wrong and guys like Banta-Cain, LeKevin and Hill can produce. Yet, I just don't understand why some more insurance policies couldn't be brought in with around 14 million dollars in salary cap space. This is the ultimate test in "in Bill we trust."
 
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Patriots | Injury update: T. Bruschi

John Tomase, of the Boston Herald, reports New England Patriots LB Tedy Bruschi (wrist) suffered a possible break to the scaphoid bone in his wrist, an injury that could sideline him for at least six weeks if it requires surgery. The Patriots do not yet know the severity of the injury, which could simply be a sprain. Scaphoid injuries are tough to diagnose because the bone is the size of a peanut. Misdiagnosed or left untreated, the injury can be severe. Dr. Bill Morgan, former team doctor for the Boston Red Sox and chief of the Bone and Joint Center at Caritas St. Elizabeth's Medical Center, said the Patriots appear to be taking the proper approach by putting Bruschi in a splint for a week in advance of further testing. Morgan said he dealt with similar situations that simply couldn't be diagnosed immediately. If Bruschi has merely suffered a sprain, he'd likely miss just a week or two. If it's broken, Morgan said the next step is usually to insert a screw into the bone to ensure proper healing.

Patriots | Brown injures left hand

New England Patriots LB Chad Brown (hand) left the field with the team's medical staff, after injuring his left hand during the afternoon practice session, Thursday, Aug. 3, according to Mike Reiss of the Boston Globe. He did not return.

Patriots | Brady stands by his remarks

John Tomase, of the Boston Herald, reports New England Patriots QB Tom Brady yesterday stood by comments he made to Sports Illustrated regarding holdout WR Deion Branch, but said he felt the reaction to them was overblown. "Deion's one of my favorite guys," Brady said. "Sometimes when I speak maybe I do get a little emotional about things. But I love Deion. I love him as a person and a player. Brady expounded on comments that he believes Branch is one of the best receivers in the league, saying he had been prompted by an interviewer who threw out names of wideouts he thought were better. "It was presented as, 'Deion's not as good as some of these other players,' " Brady said. "I take offense when anyone says someone on my team isn't that good." Brady, who wore a brace on his left knee at practice Wednesday, Aug. 2, said he speaks to Branch frequently. Brady said he believes Branch could quickly reacclimate once he arrives in camp. Minus Branch, Brady is trying to develop a rapport with his other wide receivers.

Patriots | Belichick denies Seymour report

John Tomase, of the Boston Herald, reports New England Patriots head coach Bill Belichick denied a report from the Boston Herald that Patriots DE Richard Seymour has opened camp on the physically unable to perform list because he was waiting to sign his contract extension. "That doesn't have anything to do with it," Belichick said of Seymour's absence. "Nothing." If the Patriots and Seymour agreed to delay his debut until the contract was signed, they'd risk a fine from the league for abusing the PUP list.

 
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Well I thought a deal for Branch would be done by now, especially with the Cap we have and all. Players staying out of camp only hurt the team early in the season.

NE - Patriots And WR Branch Still Miles Apart (full article: No reception, and no return)

Source: Mike Reiss, Boston Globe

Eight days into training camp, the Patriots and holdout WR Deion Branch remain at a stalemate. Talks regarding a contract extension weren't active as of last night, and haven't been for months. A source close to the parties indicated they are not talking about salary figures because of the difference of opinion regarding Branch's value. The gap was described as being in different stratospheres.

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Like lots of negotiations, these things often come together quickly after looking bad. One side drops the posturing and a deal gets done. But right now, it's not happening. And who knows how deep each side will dig their heels in. Reche Caldwell owners are hoping Branch stays stubborn....

 
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More great news - Dan Koppen also practiced in full pads.

Harrison, Koppen, Seymour, Jonathan Sullivan, and Randall Gay have all been taken off the PUP list.

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/

It didn't take long for spectators at Patriots training camp to realize safety Rodney Harrison was on the field for the first time since suffering a knee injury on Sept. 25, 2005 in Pittsburgh. As Harrison ran with the scout-team defense during a 7-on-7 session, a call was heard from the nearby stands: "Pop 'em, Rodney! Pop 'em!"

Harrison has been held out of some work in the practice, such as one-on-one coverage.

After the 7-on-7 session in which Harrison played safety, quarterback Tom Brady approached him on the field, jumped in the air, and butted helmets with him in excitement.
 
More great news - Dan Koppen also practiced in full pads.

Harrison, Koppen, Seymour, Jonathan Sullivan, and Randall Gay have all been taken off the PUP list.

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/

It didn't take long for spectators at Patriots training camp to realize safety Rodney Harrison was on the field for the first time since suffering a knee injury on Sept. 25, 2005 in Pittsburgh. As Harrison ran with the scout-team defense during a 7-on-7 session, a call was heard from the nearby stands: "Pop 'em, Rodney! Pop 'em!"

Harrison has been held out of some work in the practice, such as one-on-one coverage.

After the 7-on-7 session in which Harrison played safety, quarterback Tom Brady approached him on the field, jumped in the air, and butted helmets with him in excitement.
:thumbup: Much needed help!!!More from Rodney

Rodney, Part III

Rodney, Part 4

Day 9 wrap

Now if could just get Branch in the mix again! :yes:

 
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Patriots | Team confirms Bruschi has broken wrist

Tue, 8 Aug 2006 21:04:48 -0700

Mike Reiss, of the Boston Globe, reports New England Patriots head coach Bill Belichick confirmed Tuesday evening Aug. 8, that Patriots LB Tedy Bruschi (wrist) has broken wrist and that he will be sidelined for all of August. Belichick added Bruschi will not play in any of the team's preseason games. It is unclear whether Bruschi will be ready for the team's regular season opener, Sept. 10 against the Buffalo Bills. In Bruschi's absence, the Patriots have been working LB Barry Gardner at inside linebacker.

If he gets a pin, I think 6 weeks is the minimum, and 8 weeks is more likely.

 
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Who can anyone tell me who Eddie Berlin is??? I'm starting to freak out at the thought of Chad Jackson and Reche Caldwell as our starters. Brady needs to keep texting Branch until he comes to work.

 
So what is the word around B-Town about Branch...are there even talks going on at this point?

Training Camp: Wednesday morning notes

Training Camp: Wednesday Afternoon Notes

With Bruschi out: With Bruschi on the shelf for the foreseeable future, and his status unknown for the team’s season opener against the Bills Sept. 10, veteran free agent addition Barry Gardner continued to get significant reps at inside linebacker with the first unit on Wednesday. Veteran special teamer Don Davis worked alongside Gardner on the inside with the first unit. Monty Beisel and Freddie Roach took reps with the second team, while outside linebacker Mike Vrabel, who played inside out of necessity last season, has also made some cameo appearances on the inside at practice in recent days.

 
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Reading todays article in the Boston Globe, Adam Vinatieri is really starting to grate on me. Sounds like he made up his mind to leave after the Pats didnt break the bank in 2004 to sign him.

 
Reading todays article in the Boston Globe, Adam Vinatieri is really starting to grate on me. Sounds like he made up his mind to leave after the Pats didnt break the bank in 2004 to sign him.
I'm with you. I'll always be thankful to Vinatieri for what he did here, but the sentimental attachment is gone.
 
Borat said:
Pat Patriot said:
Reading todays article in the Boston Globe, Adam Vinatieri is really starting to grate on me. Sounds like he made up his mind to leave after the Pats didnt break the bank in 2004 to sign him.
I'm with you. I'll always be thankful to Vinatieri for what he did here, but the sentimental attachment is gone.
Agreed guys...I didn't read the article yet, but saw his interview from the Colts vs Rams games last night. You would have thought he came from the 49ers instead of the Patriots. Definety some stuff went on behind the scenes that we might never know. There was also the Willie McGinest article earlier in the week too. Although I though Willie's words spoke truth that eventhough you have a great system, you need great veterans to work it.This caught my eye and I was wondering if there was any truth to it: Michael Felger of the Boston Herald wrote that the lack of depth currently at the linebacker position may force the Patriots to switch from their bread-and-butter 3-4 scheme to a 4-3 defense. What is the word on this? Just one man's theory?Note: Eric McHugh of the Patriot Ledger writes that rookie running back Laurence Maroney appears to be the primary candidate to replace departed Bethel Johnson as the team's kick returner.
 
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I heard Sean McAdam on tv the other night say that Branch is asking for a $12 million signing bonus and a contract worth close to $9 million on average per year (something like 5 years for $45 million). Somehow Branch feels that he commands that type of money, but it doesn't sound like their making much headway in negotiations.

 
Borat said:
Pat Patriot said:
Reading todays article in the Boston Globe, Adam Vinatieri is really starting to grate on me. Sounds like he made up his mind to leave after the Pats didnt break the bank in 2004 to sign him.
I'm with you. I'll always be thankful to Vinatieri for what he did here, but the sentimental attachment is gone.
I imagine that it was frustrating for Vinatieri to keep getting franchise tagged. He was the best player at his position, in the middle of his prime, coming off another Super Bowl, and he couldn't cash in on it because the Patriots just kept tagging him.
 
I heard Sean McAdam on tv the other night say that Branch is asking for a $12 million signing bonus and a contract worth close to $9 million on average per year (something like 5 years for $45 million). Somehow Branch feels that he commands that type of money, but it doesn't sound like their making much headway in negotiations.
If that's really what he's asking for, the lack of progress in negotiations is no mystery.
 
KFFL: Patriots | Maroney showing solid pass-catching skills

Thu, 10 Aug 2006 23:01:24 -0700

Michael Felger, of the Boston Herald, reports New England Patriots RB Laurence Maroney has showed NFL-quality hands while receiving the ball in training camp. RB Kevin Faulk said, "Anyone who says he can't catch should come to training camp because he's caught a lot of balls here."

 
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I heard Sean McAdam on tv the other night say that Branch is asking for a $12 million signing bonus and a contract worth close to $9 million on average per year (something like 5 years for $45 million). Somehow Branch feels that he commands that type of money, but it doesn't sound like their making much headway in negotiations.
If that's really what he's asking for, the lack of progress in negotiations is no mystery.
Sorry guys, but it is just my opinion that Branch is not worth 9 Million a year....not sure what the average is of the top 5 WRs, but I am thinking it is in that price range. He compares himself to Wayne, and he is getting 6.5 Million a year. Maybe he is asking high hoping the Pats will meet him halfway??? LOLLB workouts

The Patriots had free-agent linebackers Orlando Ruff and Chris Claiborne in for workouts at Gillette Stadium within the past few weeks. Ruff and Claiborne are part of a free-agent crop of linebackers that includes Jeff Posey, Jamie Sharper, Rocky Calmus, Ron McKinnon and Earl Holmes. The workouts could simply mean the team was seeking more information to update its list of available players. The workouts could also indicate potential interest in signing either player, as the Patriots are without starter Tedy Bruschi (broken wrist) for the preseason.
 
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Sorry guys, but it is just my opinion that Branch is not worth 9 Million a year....not sure what the average is of the top 5 WRs, but I am thinking it is in that price range. He compares himself to Wayne, and he is getting 6.5 Million a year. Maybe he is asking high hoping the Pats will meet him halfway??? LOL
Don't apologize for being logical. Branch is no where near a $9MM dollar player. I say let him walk and let the chips fly.
 
Some nice standouts in the game tonight...I thought Garrett Mills, Laurance Maroney and Matt Cassel (started slow but warmed up) all looked good.

Patrick Cobbs, the RB rookie out of Texas could be a nice keeper for the Pats as well.

Fixed - fixed from WR to RB

 
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Some nice standouts in the game tonight...I thought Garrett Mills, Laurance Maroney and Matt Cassel (started slow but warmed up) all looked good.Patrick Cobbs, the WR rookie out of Texas could be a nice keeper for the Pats as well.
Cobbs is a RB out of the University of North Texas :bye: Regardless, he looks pretty good
 
Some nice standouts in the game tonight...I thought Garrett Mills, Laurance Maroney and Matt Cassel (started slow but warmed up) all looked good.Patrick Cobbs, the WR rookie out of Texas could be a nice keeper for the Pats as well.
Cobbs is a RB out of the University of North Texas :bye: Regardless, he looks pretty good
Yep, your right....but with 3 for 80 plus a TD, sure looked like a WR to me tonight! :thumbup:
 
Reading todays article in the Boston Globe, Adam Vinatieri is really starting to grate on me. Sounds like he made up his mind to leave after the Pats didnt break the bank in 2004 to sign him.
I'm with you. I'll always be thankful to Vinatieri for what he did here, but the sentimental attachment is gone.
I imagine that it was frustrating for Vinatieri to keep getting franchise tagged. He was the best player at his position, in the middle of his prime, coming off another Super Bowl, and he couldn't cash in on it because the Patriots just kept tagging him.
As a kicker you are not going to get a big signing bonus. He didnt even get that big a signing bonus from the Colts. There are worse things that could happen than being franchised and being paid as the highest paid kicker for the last 3 years. I'm not crying with Vinatieri that the Patriots did him wrong by paying him $2.5 million a year.Kicker is the true show it to me position. You shouldnt get a long term contract. The Patriots basically said that we will continue to pay you as the highest paid kicker as long as you keep kicking at a very high level. Kickers can lose it fast.
 
Reading todays article in the Boston Globe, Adam Vinatieri is really starting to grate on me. Sounds like he made up his mind to leave after the Pats didnt break the bank in 2004 to sign him.
I'm with you. I'll always be thankful to Vinatieri for what he did here, but the sentimental attachment is gone.
I imagine that it was frustrating for Vinatieri to keep getting franchise tagged. He was the best player at his position, in the middle of his prime, coming off another Super Bowl, and he couldn't cash in on it because the Patriots just kept tagging him.
As a kicker you are not going to get a big signing bonus. He didnt even get that big a signing bonus from the Colts. There are worse things that could happen than being franchised and being paid as the highest paid kicker for the last 3 years. I'm not crying with Vinatieri that the Patriots did him wrong by paying him $2.5 million a year.Kicker is the true show it to me position. You shouldnt get a long term contract. The Patriots basically said that we will continue to pay you as the highest paid kicker as long as you keep kicking at a very high level. Kickers can lose it fast.
I felt that way as well....you are getting paid well so why complain. Guess near the end of your career though, you want the security of a longer term contract.He did kick a nice 53 yd field goal for the Colts the other night. I am sure he will probably become a Colts favorite as well....especially after Mike "the mouth" Vanderjact. :banned:
 
I thought Cassel was more of an up than a down...maybe I was not expecting as much out of him. Reiss was right on with the rest I think.

From boston.com Ups & downs

Up

Corey Dillon/Laurence Maroney -- Together they rush for 93 yards on 14 carries, both bringing a different style when they have the ball. Credit to the first-string offensive line as well.

Patrick Cobbs --Running back makes three catches for 80 yards and a touchdown, and adds five rushes for 25 yards.

Garrett Mills -- Rookie leads the team with five catches, totaling 75 receiving yards.

Jeremy Mincey/Pierre Woods -- Rookie outside linebackers looked like they belonged more often than not.

Down

Matt Cassel -- The numbers looked OK -- 13-of-26 for 229 yards and 1 touchdown -- but Cassel himself said he wasn't consistently sharp enough.

Don Davis -- Leading tackler on special teams in 2005 had a tough start at inside linebacker.

Brandon Gorin -- Playing left tackle against John Abraham, he is beaten for a strip sack of Matt Cassel and the Falcons score on the next play.

Freddie Roach -- Inside linebacker doesn't record a defensive tackle, although he did have two on special teams.

 
Cory looked sullen at times on the sidelines last night....everyone else seemed to have smiles and all....do you think he can function well with the other RBs? Sounds like he was laughing a lot more during the post game interview. I liked what I saw out of the running game last night....don't want any potential locker room issues messing that up though.

Some Cory Dillon Quotes:

On the young running backs:“I don't have nay comment on that. I’m forbidden to speak on that. If I could, I’d say they looked great.”

You mentioned you can’t talk about Laurence Maroney specifically, but how about the 1-2 punch of both of you?“I don’t even know about no 1-2 stuff. He’s a good back. I’m a good back. We just have to go out there and go to work, and do what we do, no matter who is in there.”

 
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I also saw this, figured it was noteworthy.

Tebucky Jones, was injured in Friday night's game. The Patriots also announced that they have re-signed rookie defensive back Gemara Williams. Was the injury more serious than let on?

Note from Sunday 8/13 - The Patriots came out of the game with a few minor injuries, the only significant one, apparently, to safety Tebucky Jones, who might have broken his right thumb on a second-quarter punt.

Williams re-signed (full article)

 
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Bill's Breakdown of the Pats vs Falcons game: (Bill's Take) (full article)

also

First act featured drama - But Patriots still steeped in mystery (full article)

Belichick answered a variety of questions:

* In evaluating the running backs, Belichick said a big difference between preseason games and practice is the yards after contact, because in practice the team doesn’t do much live tackling. Specifically regarding Laurence Maroney in the yards-after-contact area, Belichick said: “I think Laurence did some good things. There are still a lot of things he needs to work on and that he can do better. He works hard. He’s very conscientious and diligent. I like his approach to the game.”

* With the Patriots having just three receptions from the wide receiver spot, Belichick was asked about his concern with production from that position, and if a team can win in the NFL without consistent production from receivers: “We had over 400 yards of total offense, so we moved the ball. I think the important thing, offensively, is that you are able to move the ball. I’m sure there are going to be some games when we run it more and throw it less, and some games where some guys catch it more and other guys catch it less. I think it’s a little too early how everything is going to go in the regular season.”

* Martin Gramatica and Stephen Gostkowski both made all their field goal attempts, and Belichick said the competition will continue to play out: “I thought they both did a pretty good job. Again, there are things that could have been a little bit better, but I thought, as it has been all training camp, it was a very competitive situation. We’ll continue to give them opportunities. I think the more we see of everybody, all the way across the board on the team, usually the clearer it becomes. It’s a good, competitive kicking situation. This is one where everybody kicked in exactly the same conditions every time. That may or may not be the case in the coming weeks. There are different things that will come up and we’ll try to take everything into consideration and make the best decision for the team. It’s very competitive.”

* Asked about rookie Willie Andrews’ willingness to stick his nose in there on punt returns, Belichick acknowledged that was no surprise to the team: “He did. We saw him play like that in college. He’s a tough kid, a good competitor. He did that [Friday night]. Evaluating our young players’ toughness and competitiveness – both mental and physical toughness – that’s also part of the whole process as well. I thought he did a good job of running hard, no doubt about it.”
 
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Any news on Dillon's shoulder? It looked like he was favoring it when he signaled for Maroney to come in during the first quarter.

Haven't seen anything indicating that its anything. Maybe a stinger?

 
New On Branch's Continued Holdout

Patriots' price to pay

(FBG Thread) WR Branch's Holdout May Extend Into Regular Season

Snipits:

Branch, the New England Patriots' top wide receiver and Super Bowl XXXIX MVP, has missed all of training camp while holding out for a new contract or at least the promise that the team won't put the franchise tag on him after this season. He has told at least two friends he is willing to sit out part of the year and play only the minimum amount of time necessary to become an unrestricted free agent at the end of the season.

"People don't understand how committed he is to this," a source close to Branch said. "He's not going to come in until he gets something he feels that is fair."

For his part, Brady has been caught between trying to convince the Patriots to give Branch a new contract and playing the role of good soldier. Brady was quoted in Sports Illustrated last month as supporting Branch's desire for a new deal, but he has since downplayed the comments.

As for coach Bill Belichick, he has downplayed the long-term problems of Branch's holdout. However, Belichick had a revealing comment about NFL passing attacks when asked to assess a rookie linebacker on his squad earlier this week.

As for Branch, at this point he is willing to accept an agreement from the team that it will not place the franchise tag on him. Branch isn't necessarily looking for top-echelon money, but he believes his value is in line with Colts wide receiver Reggie Wayne. Wayne received a six-year, $40 million contract in the offseason after playing out the final year of his original five-year contract.

New England's unstated position is that the organization does not like to pay a premium price for a wide receiver. The Patriots have offered Branch, who has one year remaining on his original five-year deal, a three-year extension to his contract. In essence, Branch can make $19 million over the next four years.
 
Any news on Dillon's shoulder? It looked like he was favoring it when he signaled for Maroney to come in during the first quarter.

Haven't seen anything indicating that its anything. Maybe a stinger?
Just his own comment on it from his post game interview:There was apparently a report on the TV that you might have banged up your shoulder…

“Are you kidding me? C’mon man. You see it, right [raising his right arm in the air]? [Laughing] What do you want? No. C’mon [Laughing].”

 
Training Camp: Monday's Notes

Bill's take

* Belichick said at his press conference today that Tully Banta-Cain is having an impressive camp up to this point. “I think this has been Tully’s best camp and the one where he’s gotten the most opportunities. He’s had a good camp so far and I think he can help us if he keeps progressing.”

* Who’s Hot: Young Running Backs – Pass better hope he’s able to practice soon or he may be out of a job. Maroney was clearly one of the opening weekend’s most impressive rookies. The young back looked like the real deal in Atlanta and he continued to run well Monday during practice. The surprise has been Patrick Cobbs. We’ve noted on here that he’s shown some skills in practice but he blew everyone away with 105 total yards and one spectacular touchdown against the Falcons. Cobbs looks like he may be able to do some of the things Faulk does for the Patriots offense in the future. After two weeks of training camp and one preseason game, the Patriots are sitting pretty at the running back position.

* Asked about outside linebacker Tully Banta-Cain, he said: “I think this has been Tully’s best camp. It’s also the one where he’s probably gotten the most opportunity in a couple years.”

* Asked about defensive end Ty Warren and running back Kevin Faulk, he lauded their understated leadership.

 
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Monty Beisel was awful on Friday night. I just don't believe he's capable of being an effective starter. Also, there's really no one else on the roster capable of starting next to Bruschi. I love the 3-4 but unless Vrabel moves back inside I don't see how it can be effective this year. Also, if Bruschi is out for any period of time their run defense will be very iffy.

Are the Pats really going to go into this season with all that cap space? If so, it will be my first major beef with the BB/Pioli regime. This team badly needs help at LB this season. It could use more depth at WR and DLine. Also, I'm still not comfortable with their backup QB situation. Cassell is their backup of the future but I'd be much more comfortable this year if there was another quality veteran in the mix. With all the cap space available I just don't understand why these areas weren't reinforced. What's the downside? They've had great success with low priced veterans in the past and I don't see how it would have hurt adding a few more this year. Hopefully come November/December it will all make sense but right now it's a headscratcher.

 
Monty Beisel was awful on Friday night. I just don't believe he's capable of being an effective starter. Also, there's really no one else on the roster capable of starting next to Bruschi. I love the 3-4 but unless Vrabel moves back inside I don't see how it can be effective this year. Also, if Bruschi is out for any period of time their run defense will be very iffy.

Are the Pats really going to go into this season with all that cap space? If so, it will be my first major beef with the BB/Pioli regime. This team badly needs help at LB this season. It could use more depth at WR and DLine. Also, I'm still not comfortable with their backup QB situation. Cassell is their backup of the future but I'd be much more comfortable this year if there was another quality veteran in the mix. With all the cap space available I just don't understand why these areas weren't reinforced. What's the downside? They've had great success with low priced veterans in the past and I don't see how it would have hurt adding a few more this year. Hopefully come November/December it will all make sense but right now it's a headscratcher.
Agreed Boston, but maybe they are still waiting to see who might be cut up to final cuts. I been wondering how low Branch would go for the Pats to get it done. He said he would return if they do not tag him next year. Wondering if that is an option to get him back on the field. I don't think the Pats will up the offer that they put on the table.I also would like to see another QB in the fold just in case....who did you have in mind? :D

Also agree with you on Beisel...was reading more on him on the Pats Website:

Who’s Not (hot): Monty Beisel – What is God’s name happened to Beisel? The projected starter by many at inside linebacker for the Patriots now finds himself lining up next to undrafted free agent Freddie Roach in the second half of a preseason game. Beisel did miss some practice time last week but he was obviously healthy enough to play in the game because he was on the field for a majority of the third and fourth quarters. One play, in particular, against the Falcons epitomizes Beisel’s performance in New England thus far. Falcons backup receiver Kevin Youngblood caught a pass across the middle and Beisel was in perfect position to stop him in his tracks. Instead of laying a good lick on him, Beisel reached up high and brought Youngblood down by the jersey. That allowed the receiver to fall ahead for three more yards. Tackling high was Beisel’s problem last year and it doesn’t appear that he’s broken the habit. Perhaps the Patriots coaching staff was just shuffling things around to get a look at some other players but this can’t bode well for Beisel.

 
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Quick question:

Having watched the Falcons game, I'm wondering what happened to the pass rush?

Hopefully BB is dummying down the defensive schemes but the defense looked very flat / very average to me in the first quarter.

Maroney = Speed.

 
Could someone clarify how much under the salary cap the Pats are? I was watching ESPN yesterday and swore I heard Salsbury say they were only $3 million under the cap, which seemed too low. I thought it was around $15 million?

 
Could someone clarify how much under the salary cap the Pats are? I was watching ESPN yesterday and swore I heard Salsbury say they were only $3 million under the cap, which seemed too low. I thought it was around $15 million?
The number I have repeatedly heard locally is 13 million. It's definetly not 3 million.
 
Monty Beisel was awful on Friday night. I just don't believe he's capable of being an effective starter. Also, there's really no one else on the roster capable of starting next to Bruschi. I love the 3-4 but unless Vrabel moves back inside I don't see how it can be effective this year. Also, if Bruschi is out for any period of time their run defense will be very iffy. Are the Pats really going to go into this season with all that cap space? If so, it will be my first major beef with the BB/Pioli regime. This team badly needs help at LB this season. It could use more depth at WR and DLine. Also, I'm still not comfortable with their backup QB situation. Cassell is their backup of the future but I'd be much more comfortable this year if there was another quality veteran in the mix. With all the cap space available I just don't understand why these areas weren't reinforced. What's the downside? They've had great success with low priced veterans in the past and I don't see how it would have hurt adding a few more this year. Hopefully come November/December it will all make sense but right now it's a headscratcher.
Hey Boston-There's a bunch of LBers out there but they're guys that miss tackles often. IIRC most of the LBers from the Giants D of like 3-4 years ago are unemployed with good reason. Jay Foreman, a hustler I liked early on but...., was cut already and Payton's not excited about him with the Saints. Years ago, we feasted on Morlon Greenwood's inability to shed blocks and I just saw something about him....grrr can't recall either cut or likely to be cut. There's already been a few injuries to LBers like Greenway's ACL and Romeo still doesn't have the total LB corps he wants in Cleveland. We're not the only ones looking for LBer help.Right now it looks like we'd better go 4-3 more often.A guy I love that could probably be had is Rich Scanlon of the Chiefs. He's real big for a backer non stop motor and doesn't miss a tackle. He was NFLE defensive player of the year a year ago and well his prob is he doesn't have the covetted speed at the LBer position. He's just normal speed nothing special. I would think a good coach could make it work regardless. Chiefs drafted Boomer Grigsby 2 years ago and he's stuck as their 3rd MLB due to Scanlon so I'd figure Rich could be had. Only thing I read from Herm is just what I said, he loves the hustle from their backup MLBs and says it's contagious which you'd expect.Beisel, well I feel like we've figured out there's a reason the Chiefs didn't want to keep him all that badly. I think he's depth, not a starter. 4-3 is all I keep thinking
 
Monty Beisel was awful on Friday night. I just don't believe he's capable of being an effective starter. Also, there's really no one else on the roster capable of starting next to Bruschi. I love the 3-4 but unless Vrabel moves back inside I don't see how it can be effective this year. Also, if Bruschi is out for any period of time their run defense will be very iffy. Are the Pats really going to go into this season with all that cap space? If so, it will be my first major beef with the BB/Pioli regime. This team badly needs help at LB this season. It could use more depth at WR and DLine. Also, I'm still not comfortable with their backup QB situation. Cassell is their backup of the future but I'd be much more comfortable this year if there was another quality veteran in the mix. With all the cap space available I just don't understand why these areas weren't reinforced. What's the downside? They've had great success with low priced veterans in the past and I don't see how it would have hurt adding a few more this year. Hopefully come November/December it will all make sense but right now it's a headscratcher.
Hey Boston-There's a bunch of LBers out there but they're guys that miss tackles often. IIRC most of the LBers from the Giants D of like 3-4 years ago are unemployed with good reason. Jay Foreman, a hustler I liked early on but...., was cut already and Payton's not excited about him with the Saints. Years ago, we feasted on Morlon Greenwood's inability to shed blocks and I just saw something about him....grrr can't recall either cut or likely to be cut. There's already been a few injuries to LBers like Greenway's ACL and Romeo still doesn't have the total LB corps he wants in Cleveland. We're not the only ones looking for LBer help.Right now it looks like we'd better go 4-3 more often.A guy I love that could probably be had is Rich Scanlon of the Chiefs. He's real big for a backer non stop motor and doesn't miss a tackle. He was NFLE defensive player of the year a year ago and well his prob is he doesn't have the covetted speed at the LBer position. He's just normal speed nothing special. I would think a good coach could make it work regardless. Chiefs drafted Boomer Grigsby 2 years ago and he's stuck as their 3rd MLB due to Scanlon so I'd figure Rich could be had. Only thing I read from Herm is just what I said, he loves the hustle from their backup MLBs and says it's contagious which you'd expect.Beisel, well I feel like we've figured out there's a reason the Chiefs didn't want to keep him all that badly. I think he's depth, not a starter. 4-3 is all I keep thinking
One other thing to keep in mind. The Pats scheme is very difficult to pick up. Last year Chad Brown was totally overwhelmed and he's a guy who's been an All Pro in a 3-4 defense. Therefore not only do you have to catch a break getting a talented guy this time of year but he needs to get up to speed quickly which isn't easy. IMO there's no good excuse not to have signed another quality vet or two this offseason with all the cap space available. It insulates you from injury and allows kids like Woods and Mincey time to develop. Right now they are an injury or two away from some serious issues at an incredibly important position in their scheme.As far as the 4-3...it does make a ton of sense on paper. Especially with Wright developing and able to play both inside and out which gives you some depth and rotation ability. It takes away a lot of their personality on defense because they wouldn't be as difficult to figure out but it does appear to play to the strength of the current roster.
 
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