Pat' off season and next year (2 Viewers)

[Bri]

Was just looking at team history, league moves and name changes. The Oilers and Rams could be included in your list. History of Active NFL Teams Moving and Being Renamed

Browns

1946-1949 Cleveland Browns AAFC

1950-1995

1996 - see Ravens

1999- Cleveland Browns NFL

Cardinals

1920-1943 Chicago Cardinals NFL

1944 Card-Pitt NFL

1945-1959 Chicago Cardinals NFL

1960-1987 Saint Louis Cardinals NFL

1988-1993 Phoenix Cardinals NFL

1994- Arizona Cardinals NFL

Colts

1953-1983 Baltimore Colts NFL

1984- Indianapolis Colts NFL

Raiders

1960-1969 Oakland Raiders AFL

1970-1981 Oakland Raiders NFL

1982-1994 Los Angeles Raiders NFL

1995- Oakland Raiders NFL

Rams

1937-1942

1944-1945 Cleveland Rams NFL

1946-1994 Los Angeles Rams NFL

1995- Saint Louis Rams NFL

Ravens (see Browns and Colts)

1996- Baltimore Ravens NFL

Texans (see Titans and the Houston Oilers)

2002- Houston Texans NFL

Titans

1960-1969 Houston Oilers AFL

1970-1996 Houston Oilers NFL

1997-1998 Tennessee Oilers NFL

199- Tennessee Titans NFL

In regards to Cards moving-My knowledge of history is sketchy but twice the NFL made an effort to spread out around the country more and the owners agreed to a bunch of "moves". It was to spread the game/fanbase and not much more than that.

In the beginning it was pretty much all ohio area, but I'd swear there was another around 1959 or 1960.

Also above you have the Raiders and Oilers starting in 1960 which makes me think I'm on the right track here too.

Maybe someone can help me out

 

[Bri]

AFL 1960?

 

[ratbast]

Is this the thought process?

Pat's stay the course, make moves for even more middle round picks, draft the way they do, assess the situation, p/u free agents to fill the gaps.

Not signing alot of FA leaves $ at the table. Like a Fbaseball auction the value should show itself. Especially if they get rooks they believe in.

Or another draft-day trade for a vet RB? Is Thomas Jones a possibility? Is his contract reasonable? Would the Bears consider letting him go? What about DD? Is some of the cap space being saved to fit a traded for player?

love this time of year!

 

[nerangers]

Some more pre-visits going on...

Patriots | Team will have a pre-draft visit with D. Bullocks

Sun, 9 Apr 2006 20:45:28 -0700

Mike Reiss, of the Boston Globe, reports the New England Patriots will conduct a pre-draft visit with Nebraska S Daniel Bullocks in the coming weeks. He is represented by agent Steve Feldman.

Patriots | Team has pre-draft visit with R. Marshall

Sun, 9 Apr 2006 20:45:01 -0700

Mike Reiss, of the Boston Globe, reports the New England Patriots conducted a pre-draft visit with Fresno State CB Richard Marshall Saturday, April 8. The visit was confirmed by Marshall's agent, Steve Feldman.

 

[nerangers]

Is this the thought process?

Pat's stay the course, make moves for even more middle round picks, draft the way they do, assess the situation, p/u free agents to fill the gaps.

Not signing alot of FA leaves $ at the table. Like a Fbaseball auction the value should show itself. Especially if they get rooks they believe in.

Or another draft-day trade for a vet RB? Is Thomas Jones a possibility? Is his contract reasonable? Would the Bears consider letting him go? What about DD? Is some of the cap space being saved to fit a traded for player?

love this time of year!

Since the Pats can not make a formal offer to Seymour till August, it is tough to know how much money they have to work with...I am thinking there is already a deal in the background.From what I have read, DD is not in the plans to go anywhere. I have a hard time seeing that if the Texans do take Bush...I am not sure what DDs cap numbers are like though. If Cory is healthy, I think the Pats will not bring in a Veteran this year, but will grab a rookie somewhere in the draft. They have three RBs on the team right now...

 

[nerangers]

More on Marshall (from boston.com)

Marshall in town

The Patriots hosted Fresno State cornerback Richard Marshall on a pre-draft visit at Gillette Stadium on Saturday. The visit was confirmed by Marshall’s agent, Steve Feldman.

It is the second time in a week that the Patriots have hosted a cornerback, as Clemson’s Tye Hill was in town early last week.

NFL teams are allowed to host up to 30 out-of-town NFL prospects leading up to the draft. Hosting prospects at Gillette Stadium doesn’t mean the Patriots have plans to draft the player, but likely means they are seeking more information on the player and haven’t ruled him out. The pre-draft visits are usually more meet-and-greet type of sessions and could also include physicals.

Marshall might be a potential target with the Patriots’ first-round pick, No. 21. Patriots coach Bill Belichick lauded the Bulldogs' program last year when New England selected Fresno State guard Logan Mankins in the first round and safety James Sanders in the fourth round. Fresno State is coached by Pat Hill, who was an assistant on Belichick’s staff with the Cleveland Browns in the early-to-mid 1990s.

Marshall (5-11, 187) is known to be one of the more physical cornerbacks in the 2006 draft. His willingness to help in run support was partially evidenced by his team-leading total of 78 tackles in 2005. Marshall, who leaves school after his junior season, is one of the top prospects at cornerback. Should he wind up in New England, he'd be reuinted with James Sanders, one of his close friends.

The Patriots are scheduled to host another defensive back, Nebraska safety Daniel Bullocks, in the coming weeks. Bullocks (6-0, 212), who is known as a tough, physical player excelling in run support, is also represented by Steve Feldman.

 

[jgb95]

how can you see how many posts you've written?

 

[code]

how can you see how many posts you've written?

Are you asking about dtour77's comment about 500 posts?...if so I think he meant 500 posts in this thread, in fact his is exactly #500...But I think a check of your profile and the "Find member's posts" link should help you if you just need to know your own post count...

 

[nerangers]

Patriots | Huston works out with team

Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:05:33 -0700

Jeff Chilcoat has confirmed to KFFL Ohio State PK Josh Huston worked out for the New England Patriots Monday, April 10.

Patriots | Cofield to visit

Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:37:55 -0700

NFL Draft prospect DL Barry Cofield (Northwestern) is scheduled to have a pre-draft visit with the New England Patriots.

Patriots | Gordon visited

Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:37:00 -0700

NFL Draft prospect DB/WR Charles Gordon (Kansas) has had a pre-draft visit with the New England Patriots.

Texans | Team agrees to terms with Stone

Mon, 10 Apr 2006 06:26:55 -0700

John McClain, of the Houston Chronicle, reports the Houston Texans have agreed to terms with free agent S Michael Stone (Patriots) on an undisclosed contract.

 

[nerangers]

Special delivery

Martin Gramatica was in the delivery room, welcoming his first child Nicolas to the world, when the Patriots called his agent to offer a tryout. It was Tuesday, March 28.

“I had to call them back,” he said, noting he was tied up with important business. “They were nice enough to push the workout [back] a week. Most teams probably wouldn’t do that. They would scratch you off and go to the next guy.”

Gramatica said he traveled to New England on April 5 for a tryout, and was later signed to a contract. While he knows he potentially has big shoes to fill, possibly replacing Adam Vinatieri, Gramatica still sees a great opportunity with the Patriots.

“We all know [Adam] is the greatest clutch kicker in NFL history. I don’t see it as a no-win, because Adam has moved on. I’m a huge fan of Adam as a person and as a kicker. I met him my rookie year, coming into the league. There were a few guys who were super nice, veterans, and he was one of them. I’m always going to be thankful for that and his advice when I was a rookie. … I’m looking forward to a new beginning and I know I’ll get that in New England. I’m just very excited for the opportunity.”

The meeting between Gramatica and Vinatieri came on Aug. 28, 1999 before a preseason game in Tampa Bay.

“The advice was basically to stay humble and do your job, and if you do what the team asks you to do, you’re going to have a job for a long time. Not only that, we talked for a long time. It just showed the kind of person he is. I came across a few veterans who wouldn’t even say hello.”

Gramatica, who said he feels 100 percent after injuries nagged him in 2003 and 2004, expects at least one other kicker in camp.

“We really haven’t talked about it, but I believe there will be somebody else that I’ll have the chance to compete against,” he said. “That’s what happens with most teams unless you have a proven guy.”

Gramatica said he kicked only once in New England, in the 2000 preseason. He also noted he still has a fiery personality.

"I love playing football, I love making field goals, but I'm not as crazy as I was my rookie year. That was out of control. But I'll enjoy every kick, like I always have."

Vinatieri sendoff

ESPN's Chris Berman is scheduled to be in Boston on Tuesday, April 11 as part of a sendoff event for former Patriots kicker Adam Vinatieri.

The event, which is not affiliated with the Patriots, will be held at The Greatest Bar, on Friend Street in Boston. It will start at 8 p.m. ET.

Vinatieri is expected to be present, as are members of the current Patriots team.

The event is open to the public. Organizers say there will be a $20 charge, with proceeds going to the Joey Fund.

 

[nerangers]

Patriots | Patriots to visit with Gostkowski

Mon, 10 Apr 2006 19:39:13 -0700

Adam Hart, of Patriots.com, reports the New England Patriots have scheduled a visit with University of Memphis PK Stephen Gostkowski for later this week.

Patriots | Team offered Price a one-year contract

Mon, 10 Apr 2006 18:08:57 -0700

ESPN.com's John Clayton reports the New England Patriots were willing to give WR Peerless Price a one-year deal, but agent Tim McGee convinced the Buffalo Bills the value of Price's return and he landed a four-year contract from them.

 

[nerangers]

from Boston.com

Ranking needs

Ranking the Patriots’ most pressing needs at this time:

1) Wide receiver -- Losing No. 2 target David Givens leaves a void opposite Deion Branch. Can Reche Caldwell, Troy Brown or Bethel Johnson fill the void?

2) Inside linebacker -- Assuming the team moves Mike Vrabel back to outside linebacker, the question is who starts next to Tedy Bruschi. Three in-house candidates to possibly fill the void are Monty Beisel, Ryan Claridge and Eric Alexander.

3) Cornerback -- The roster is packed with Asante Samuel, Ellis Hobbs, Eric Warfield, Randall Gay, Chad Scott, Hank Poteat and Antwain Spann. But a young, shutdown corner would give this group a jolt.

4) Kicker -- Martin Gramatica is signed, but even he expects a competition in training camp. No rookie kickers are expected to be drafted until the later rounds.

5) Running back –- Corey Dillon is 31, Kevin Faulk turns 30 in June, and Patrick Pass in 28. The Patriots need some youth here, with an eye toward the future.

6) Safety –- The numbers are overflowing with Rodney Harrison, Eugene Wilson, Artrell Hawkins, Mel Mitchell, James Sanders, Tebucky Jones, Guss Scott and Ray Ventrone on the roster. But with Harrison rehabbing from a serious knee injury -- and Jones and Mitchell more likely to make a mark on special teams -- there still might be a need here.

7) Outside linebacker –- Assuming Vrabel moves back to the outside, a starting tandem of Vrabel and Rosevelt Colvin is a strong 1-2 punch. Is Tully Banta-Cain ready to step into the primary backup role?

8) Tight end –- The team has only Daniel Graham and Benjamin Watson on the roster, and Graham’s contract expires after the 2006 season.

9) Offensive line –- Five of the team’s top seven linemen have contracts that extend past the 2006 season. The more pressing area of need would be center depth as Dan Koppen (recovering from a shoulder injury) and Russ Hochstein both have contracts that expire after 2006.

10) Defensive line -– If Richard Seymour signs a contract extension, this group would remain one of the deepest in the NFL and would continue to grow together as Vince Wilfork, Ty Warren, Jarvis Green and Marquise Hill are all signed for the long term. This is a big year for the 23-year-old Hill, a 2004 second-round pick who has done little in his first two seasons.

11) Quarterback –- The Patriots usually add a veteran to the mix -- e.g. Damon Huard, Jim Miller and Doug Flutie -- and figure to do so again this year. Tom Brady and Matt Cassel are 1-2 on the depth chart and a player like Jay Fiedler, who has familiarity with the Dolphins and Jets, might be a free-agent QB to target.

 

[nerangers]

Been going through a few Mock drafts to see what people think the Pats will do. Just some food for thought.

The first two rounds always seem to be a combination of CB/RB so I thought I post some of the Candidates:

Runningback

1. Reggie Bush Southern Cal 5-10 7/8 201 4.33

2. DeAngelo Williams Memphis 5-9 214 4.44

3. LenDale White Southern Cal 6-0 3/8 238 4.50

4. Laurence Maroney Minnesota 5-11 7/8 215 4.47

5. Joseph Addai L.S.U. 5-11 1/4 214 4.40

If it is an RB in the first round I have seen Williams slip to the Pats...if it is an RB in the second round, it is usually Addai.

Cornerback

1. Antonio Cromartie Florida St. 6-2 1/8 208 4.41

2. Jimmy Williams Virginia Tech 6-2 3/8 213 4.41

3. Tye Hill Clemson 5-9 5/8 185 4.30

4. Jonathan Joseph South Carolina 5-11 193 4.31

5. Richard Marshall Fresno St. 5-11 1/8 189 4.42

6. Ashton Youboty Ohio St. 5-11 3/4 189 4.43

7. Kelly Jennings Miami (FL) 5-10 7/8 178 4.39

In the first round, It is usually either Hill or Marshall, and in the second round Jennings.

Personally, I don't think you can pass on Williams if he slips to you at #21. I have read though the Pats could trade down since this Pick could be valuable for a few teams needing a RB. The top five RBs are good this year. It seems that there are more good CBs this year. The first two rounds should go well for the Pats.

 

[Bri]

We're gonna need a Faulk replacement soon too. It might be easier to get that guy this year than Dillon's replacement. Pass is useful but I'm not so sure he's shifty+quick enough to be Faulk's heir. He doesn't remind me of Meggett at all yet Faulk does.

 

[SoloMatisse]

I dont see them going DB early in this draft. Theyve made too much movement already in this area. Imo, theyre OK at DB now and bringing in a 1st round rookie will only cloud the situation. I know they could use the depth, but just dont see that being accomplished with a 1st round safety or CB. I think theyll look to add that secondary help in the 3rd or beyond. I see them going offensive skill position with the 1st round pick and Oline in the 2nd. With all the focus on their secondary being the weak link last year, their Oline was just as bad once injuries set in. Id like to see them sure up that running game by locking down one of these top rated linemen. Theyve lost Ashworth and were close to losing Neal. Lyght was hurt all of last year, and I hope he recovers fully but you cant be sure and that is a key position. I have a feeling Joe Addai will end up on this team. He played at LSU with Belichick's buddy Saban, so Id bet he's his type of guy and he seems to have versatility and decent size. But he's not a 1st rounder. he could be targeted in the 2nd. What are the chances the Pats shock the world this year by going RB/WR in rounds 1 and 2??? Slim to none? probably. Hoping for Chad Jackson/SMoss and Joseph Addai.

 

[nerangers]

Patriots | Gay officially re-signed

Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:09:16 -0700

Updating previous reports, Patriots.com reports the New England Patriots have officially re-signed CB Randall Gay. Terms of the contract were not disclosed.

Gay re-signed

The Patriots announced the re-signing of cornerback Randall Gay on Tuesday. Gay, entering his third NFL season after emerging as a rookie free agent in 2004, was an exclusive rights free agent. That meant the only way he wouldn't return to the team was if he wasn't tendered a contract.

Gay (5-11, 186) had been working out at Gillette Stadium over the last few months, rehabbing from an offseason procedure on his ankle. He has played in 20 career games, with 11 starts. After appearing in 15 games as a rookie (9 starts), Gay was limited to five games (2 starts) in 2005.

The Patriots have the following cornerbacks on the roster:

Asante Samuel

Ellis Hobbs

Eric Warfield

Randall Gay

Chad Scott

Hank Poteat

Antwain Spann

 

[nerangers]

6 with Mel

Six questions with new Patriots safety Mel Mitchell, who will wear No. 24:

You're known as a strong special teams player. Has that always been your niche?

“I was a starter in college [at Western Kentucky], therefore I didn’t play that many special teams. Coming into the NFL [with the Saints], playing behind Sammy Knight, I wasn’t going to get that much playing time unless he got injured. Therefore, I had to concentrate more on special teams and put a little more into special teams to make ends meet. Sometimes guys get a little complacent and down if they don’t start, but everybody has a role. At that particular time, my role was to be a special teams player, but I don’t want to be labeled as a special teams player. If that’s what it comes down to, and I play it, I’m excited. But I also look forward to competing for the [strong] safety spot."

You and Tebucky Jones were teammates in New Orleans and now you're teammates again. Has that made the adjustment to New England easier?

“In 2003, it was going to be me and him starting in New Orleans but I tore my ACL in the first quarter of the final preseason game on an illegal chop block. We came real close. We were hanging out yesterday, and he was very helpful. It's just good to be around a bunch of guys who know how to compete and don’t mind helping each other out, and letting the best man win. That’s what football is about, a team sport, helping one another out, and making everyone better.”

Why was New England a good opportunity for you?“It was the opportunity to be able to play not just special teams but different packages, like a three-safety package. And also coming to a winning program. Finally, whether I did get opportunity at safety or if it was special teams only, this is a special teams unit that is one of the tops in the AFC. That had a lot of play in my decision. I’m excited to work with guys like Larry Izzo and Don Davis.”

Do you look around and see all the safeties and wonder how it will shake out?

“Yeah, I do, but that’s kind of hard because you can look today and two days later, they can sign someone else. For instance, they signed me and two days later they sign Tebucky. That’s the way the system works. There are chances you are going to have to take in this business. It’s a chance I took and I’m happy. It’s a winning program and just being around a group of guys who know how to win and love winning, I'm happy with that.”



In addition to Tebucky, who else has been helpful?“Everybody is pretty friendly. Rodney Harrison told me if there was anything he can do, he'd help. Sometimes that’s hard to come by in this business, especially when you're coming in and they’re saying ‘he’s a safety.’ It’s really, really helpful, stress free, to come into an organization and everyone gets along the way they do here. It’s a good feeling.”

How were you affected by the hurricane in New Orleans?“I had a townhouse and it was fine, but my fiancé lost her house. Along with immediate family, they lost eight houses all together. The elements we were in, and the conditions we had to practice in, it was stressful. I'm not much of a complainer, but a lot of people say they understand but I don’t think they understand. The one thing I'd say is that it made you a better person in the long run."

 

[nerangers]

Patriots | Gramatica attempting comeback in New England

Tue, 11 Apr 2006 12:57:22 -0700

Andy Hart, of Patriots Weekly, reports New England Patriots K Martin Gramatica (abdominal) is fully recovered from an abdominal injury that contributed to a poor 2003 season, his last in the NFL. "I feel 100 percent now. I'm very confident right now. I just feel great," Gramatica said. He also feels that the cold and unpredictable weather of Foxboro Stadium will not be a problem having played college ball at Kansas State as well as having braved the icy November conditions against division rivals Green Bay and Chicago during his time with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

Patriots | Law's agent talking to the team (Don't get too excited...there were four other posts just like this for four other teams! lol)

Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:01:56 -0700

Clare Farnsworth, of the Seattle Post-Intelligencer, reports free agent CB Ty Law (Jets) said he and his agents are talking with the New England Patriots.

 

[Boston]

Patriots | Gramatica attempting comeback in New England

Tue, 11 Apr 2006 12:57:22 -0700

Andy Hart, of Patriots Weekly, reports New England Patriots K Martin Gramatica (abdominal) is fully recovered from an abdominal injury that contributed to a poor 2003 season, his last in the NFL. "I feel 100 percent now. I'm very confident right now. I just feel great," Gramatica said. He also feels that the cold and unpredictable weather of Foxboro Stadium will not be a problem having played college ball at Kansas State as well as having braved the icy November conditions against division rivals Green Bay and Chicago during his time with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

Patriots | Law's agent talking to the team (Don't get too excited...there were four other posts just like this for four other teams! lol)

Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:01:56 -0700

Clare Farnsworth, of the Seattle Post-Intelligencer, reports free agent CB Ty Law (Jets) said he and his agents are talking with the New England Patriots.

Law would be a great addition. He would bring a veteran presence to go along with the youngsters in Samuel, Hobbs and Gay. Add in Warfield and that would be an excellent unit. That being said Ol' Ty is always looking for big money so I won't hold my breath.If Law was added that could mean Gay might possibly switched to safety which has been rumored in the past.

 

[nerangers]

I guess the Pats felt they did not need Stone...he signed for the base salary.

Texans | Contract update: M. Stone

Tue, 11 Apr 2006 20:46:31 -0700

Houston Texans S Michael Stone signed a one-year contract with a base salary of $585,000.

 

[nerangers]

I don't think he would be there at #21 but you never know...Scott Wright did an interview with him...these are the teams he felt were targeting him...Kansas City, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Miami, Denver, and the Patriots. Denver could use the #15 pick to get him.

Jackson gets look

The Patriots hosted University of Florida receiver Chad Jackson on a pre-draft visit late last week. On Tuesday, the team had Florida defensive lineman Jeremy Mincey in for a visit at Gillette Stadium.

"Both players are flattered by the visits and the interest the Patriots have shown," said agent David Canter, who represents Jackson and Mincey.

The 6-foot, 213-pound Jackson is known for his speed. He is a projected first-round choice among a receiver crop that several scouts feel is not deep.

Mincey (6-3, 259) is projected as a mid-round pick.

As has been his routine in recent years, Patriots coach Bill Belichick recently took a scouting trip to the state of Florida, and one of his stops was to the University of Florida. The visits with Jackson and Mincey at Gillette Stadium were follow-ups.

 

[code]

Just caught the tail end of a report on ESPN Radio that the Pats reached a new deal with Seymour...looking for a source...

I thought they couldn't rework his deal until August ??

 

[Workhorse]

It's official.

http://www.patriots.com/news/index.cfm?ac=...d=16049&pcid=41

GOOD NEWS.

 

[Borat]

It's official: the Pats have extended Seymour's contract.

Best move they could've made this offseason, by far.

 

[Workhorse]

Best thing about it is that his cap number stays the same for 2006.

Now, if they want to, the Patriots could extend Branch and give him a bunch of up front money, since they still have a bunch of cap room. OR they can still make a splashy trade or FA signing.

Great move by the Pats.

 

[Borat]

By the way, if you had asked me a couple months ago if I'd be willing to lose McGinest, Givens, and Vinatieri if it would mean keeping Seymour around through 2010, I'd have said "definitely" without giving it a second thought. I'm more psyched about this than I would've been about any free agent signing this year.

That Seymour/Warren/Green/Wilfork line is going to be dominant for years to come.

 

[Exile]

I very curious what the numbers on that deal are.

 

[Boston]

Biggest move the Pats could make this offseason. There's not even a close second. He is the foundation of that defense and IMO is the best defensive player in the NFL. The guy can do it all...rush the passer or defend the run at any position on the line in either a 3-4 or 4-3 system. In many ways the BB era started with the Seymour draft pick. That was the first big move they made and was also one that was questioned by many. Especially those clamoring for either David Terrell or Koren Robinson.

Slowly but surely they are locking up their core of young players. Brady, Seymour, Jarvis Green, Light, Gorin and Neal have been extended in the last two years (Gay reupped also but I'm not sure for how many years). Warren, Wilson, Wilfork, Colvin, Mankins, Hobbs, Kazcur and Watson all have deals with mulitple years left. Next up they need to get things done with Samuel, Graham, Koppen, Hochstein and Branch. Do that and this team will be competing for titles for quite some time.

 

[Boston]

One other aspect to this signing...the Pats will not have to use the franchise tag on Seymour so it will be available to use elsewhere next offseason.

 

[Borat]

Gay reupped also but I'm not sure for how many years

He got a one year deal as a restricted free agent.

 

[Borat]

One other aspect to this signing...the Pats will not have to use the franchise tag on Seymour so it will be available to use elsewhere next offseason.

This is true, but I don't think any franchise tag-worthy players are hitting free agency next year (I think they'll get a deal done with Branch and he'd be the only guy I'd even consider tagging).

 

[Boston]

One other aspect to this signing...the Pats will not have to use the franchise tag on Seymour so it will be available to use elsewhere next offseason.

This is true, but I don't think any franchise tag-worthy players are hitting free agency next year (I think they'll get a deal done with Branch and he'd be the only guy I'd even consider tagging).

Koppen and Graham are guys they could tag. The reason being (because I know it sounds like a stretch, especially with Graham) is they play positions that don't get big bucks so they could tag them and not take a big hit on the cap. That was basically the reason they were so comfortable tagging AV for two years. Unlike tagging a QB or RB it didn't break the bank and made smart business sense from their side. So while it seems a little odd on the surface being able to use the tag on players like Graham and Koppen are a viable option if they want to go in that direction.

 

[nerangers]

from boston.com

More on Seymour

The Patriots made a big free-agent splash today, agreeing on a contract extension with defensive lineman Richard Seymour.

The team confirmed the extension, which Patriots.com -- the team’s official web site -- believes to be four years in length. That would mean Seymour, who enters his sixth season in 2006, is under contract through 2010.

ESPN.com’s Len Pasquarelli, who first reported the story on Wednesday, cites sources that say the extension is worth around $30 million.

A four-time Pro Bowler, Seymour has played in 71 games, totaling 315 tackles and 25½ sacks. But Seymour’s impact can’t be measured solely on statistics. At 6-foot-6 and 310 pounds, he’s a dominant force that opponents are forced to game-plan around due to his power and athleticism.

The agreement comes during an offseason in which the Patriots have seen longtime veterans Willie McGinest (Browns) and Adam Vinatieri (Colts), as well as budding receiver David Givens (Titans), sign free-agent deals with other teams.

Meanwhile, the Patriots’ main free agent activity has included re-signing offensive lineman Stephen Neal, receiver Troy Brown, running back Heath Evans, kicker Martin Gramatica and defensive backs Artrell Hawkins, Chad Scott, and Hank Poteat. The team also signed lower-level unrestricted deals with receiver Reche Caldwell, cornerback Eric Warfield, and safeties Mel Mitchell and Tebucky Jones.

The Patriots had approximately $18 million of salary cap space earlier this month, and the team could possibly use some of that surplus as part of a first-year bonus for Seymour. Such a deal could allow the team to absorb more of Seymour’s salary cap in 2006, lessening his salary cap hits in the later years of the deal.

With Seymour in the fold, the Patriots have one of the youngest, most talented defensive lines in the NFL with Seymour (2010), Ty Warren (2008), Vince Wilfork (2009), Jarvis Green (2009), and Marquise Hill (2008) all locked up for the long-term. Seymour, Warren and Wilfork are all former first-round picks.

* After signing his four-year contract extension, Richard Seymour speaks with the Boston Globe's Ron Borges in this Thursday piece Money player gets deal in line with his status.

"I was never interested in who's the highest-paid player," Seymour said. "At the end of the day, I'm not going to spend all this money anyway. A lot of it is just a bunch of zeros. My concern was always just that I be compensated fairly for the things I do on the football field. We came to an agreement on that. There was give and take on both sides. I'm glad we were able to do it and I'm grateful to the Kraft family and the Patriots organization for giving me another opportunity. I feel very blessed."

Seymour touched on a few other topics as well.

* In reporting on Seymour's contract agreement, the Boston Globe's Nick Cafardo also notes the free-agent status of former Patriots cornerback Ty Law. Law's agent, Carl Poston, says that Law is speaking directly with head coach Bill Belichick, although no contract numbers have been discussed.

 

[nerangers]

If they go RB in the first two rounds....

Maroney gets look

Since Bill Belichick and Scott Pioli arrived in New England in 2000, the Patriots haven’t selected a running back in the first two rounds of the draft.

The team has picked four running backs over that time -- third-rounder J.R. Redmond (2000), fourth-rounder Cedric Cobbs (2004) and seventh-rounders Patrick Pass (2000) and Antwoine Womack (2002).

There is no telling if the Patriots might break that trend in 2006, although the team did host running back Laurence Maroney on a pre-draft visit at Gillette Stadium last week, according to Maroney’s agent.

Maroney (5-11, 217), who leaves the University of Minnesota after his junior season, is projected as a first-round pick. He became the first player in school history to rush for 1,000 yards in each of his first three seasons. Maroney totaled 4,797 all-purpose yards over his career, eclipsing 100 yards rushing in 21 games.

Just because a team hosts a player on a pre-draft visit doesn’t necessarily mean it has plans to draft the player. Vikings coach Brad Childress probably spoke for most teams when he recently told the Minneapolis Star Tribune: "All of [the visitors] fit into different categories, whether it's a medical question, a personality question or a guy that we're legitimately interested in."

Running back is one of the older positions on the Patriots’ roster. Corey Dillon, Kevin Faulk and Patrick Pass are the top three players on the depth chart, and Dillon is 31, Faulk turns 30 in June, and Pass is 28.

EXTRA POINT: Tebucky Jones said he will wear his old jersey number, 34. Cedric Cobbs was one of the last Patriots players to wear the number.



Patriots | Team conducted pre-draft visit with Maroney

Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:13:35 -0700

Mike Reiss, of the Boston Globe, reports the New England Patriots conducted a pre-draft visit with Minnesota RB Laurence Maroney last week, according to his agent.

 

[nerangers]

Patriots | Seymour's extension reportedly worth $30 million

Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:53:50 -0700

Mike Reiss, of the Boston Globe, citing ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli, reports New England Patriots DE Richard Seymour's contract extension is worth around $30 million.

Patriots | Seymour's extension believed to be for four years

Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:20:34 -0700

Paul Perillo, of Patriots Football Weekly, reports New England Patriots LB Richard Seymour signed a contract extension believed to keep him with the team for four more years through 2010. Seymour received a raise in salary after a brief holdout last summer, which means he cannot receive another raise for a full calendar year according to a section of the collective bargaining agreement. The big money portion of his extension will likely start with the 2007 season.

Patriots | Seymour agrees to extension

Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:10:05 -0700

Len Pasquarelli, of ESPN.com, reports New England Patriots DE Richard Seymour has agreed to a long-term extension. Terms of the deal were not disclosed.

 

[nerangers]

Gay reupped also but I'm not sure for how many years

He got a one year deal as a restricted free agent.

Patriots | Contract update: R. GayWed, 12 Apr 2006 15:07:33 -0700

New England Patriots CB Randall Gay signed a one-year contract with a $425,000 base salary to remain with the team.

 

[nerangers]

Patriots | Mincey visits

Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:44:26 -0700

Mike Reiss, of the Boston Globe, reports the New England Patriots brought in Florida DL Jeremy Mincey for a visit Tuesday, April 11.

Patriots | C. Jackson made visit

Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:44:16 -0700

Mike Reiss, of the Boston Globe, reports the New England Patriots recently brought in Florida WR Chad Jackson for a pre-draft visit.

 

[Borat]

One other aspect to this signing...the Pats will not have to use the franchise tag on Seymour so it will be available to use elsewhere next offseason.

This is true, but I don't think any franchise tag-worthy players are hitting free agency next year (I think they'll get a deal done with Branch and he'd be the only guy I'd even consider tagging).

Koppen and Graham are guys they could tag. The reason being (because I know it sounds like a stretch, especially with Graham) is they play positions that don't get big bucks so they could tag them and not take a big hit on the cap. That was basically the reason they were so comfortable tagging AV for two years. Unlike tagging a QB or RB it didn't break the bank and made smart business sense from their side. So while it seems a little odd on the surface being able to use the tag on players like Graham and Koppen are a viable option if they want to go in that direction.

Eh, I don't know. Maybe you're right, but I just don't see that happening.

 

[Boston]

One other aspect to this signing...the Pats will not have to use the franchise tag on Seymour so it will be available to use elsewhere next offseason.

This is true, but I don't think any franchise tag-worthy players are hitting free agency next year (I think they'll get a deal done with Branch and he'd be the only guy I'd even consider tagging).

Koppen and Graham are guys they could tag. The reason being (because I know it sounds like a stretch, especially with Graham) is they play positions that don't get big bucks so they could tag them and not take a big hit on the cap. That was basically the reason they were so comfortable tagging AV for two years. Unlike tagging a QB or RB it didn't break the bank and made smart business sense from their side. So while it seems a little odd on the surface being able to use the tag on players like Graham and Koppen are a viable option if they want to go in that direction.

Eh, I don't know. Maybe you're right, but I just don't see that happening.

Picture this scenario. Watson blows an ACL in the playoffs. The Pats third TE turns out to be a rookie who didn't develop as expected. In a scenario like that Graham's value goes thru the roof. They would be in a situation where if they couldn't sign him long term they can keep him around for another year as they figure out the position. The bottomline is not having to use the franchise tag on Seymour gives the Pats flexibility and the ability to cover their butt if unexpected situations occur.

 

[The Ref]

Can someone articulate as to where a 4 year 30MM deal would put Seymour in terms of top paid DE/DT?

 

[Borat]

One other aspect to this signing...the Pats will not have to use the franchise tag on Seymour so it will be available to use elsewhere next offseason.

This is true, but I don't think any franchise tag-worthy players are hitting free agency next year (I think they'll get a deal done with Branch and he'd be the only guy I'd even consider tagging).

Koppen and Graham are guys they could tag. The reason being (because I know it sounds like a stretch, especially with Graham) is they play positions that don't get big bucks so they could tag them and not take a big hit on the cap. That was basically the reason they were so comfortable tagging AV for two years. Unlike tagging a QB or RB it didn't break the bank and made smart business sense from their side. So while it seems a little odd on the surface being able to use the tag on players like Graham and Koppen are a viable option if they want to go in that direction.

Eh, I don't know. Maybe you're right, but I just don't see that happening.

Picture this scenario. Watson blows an ACL in the playoffs. The Pats third TE turns out to be a rookie who didn't develop as expected. In a scenario like that Graham's value goes thru the roof. They would be in a situation where if they couldn't sign him long term they can keep him around for another year as they figure out the position. The bottomline is not having to use the franchise tag on Seymour gives the Pats flexibility and the ability to cover their butt if unexpected situations occur.

I don't know, I understand where you're coming from, but I just can't see the Pats using the franchise tag on Graham or Koppen. I actually think both (especially Graham) will re-sign without even having to resort to slapping the tag on either of them, but that's just a hunch.Yeah, I realize there are no concrete reasons as to why I feel that way, just a feeling.

 

[Davej626]

Can someone articulate as to where a 4 year 30MM deal would put Seymour in terms of top paid DE/DT?

Its explained in here...Boston.com

 

[nerangers]

Patriots | Contract update: R. Seymour

Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:15:00 -0700

New England Patriots DL Richard Seymour's contract extension included base salaries of $585,000 (2006), $600,000 (2007), $730,000 (2008) and $3.685 million (2009).

Patriots | Team has met twice with Ryans

Thu, 13 Apr 2006 06:01:54 -0700

Don Seeholzer, of the Pioneer Press, reports the New England Patriots have met twice with Alabama LB DeMeco Ryans.

Because of his size (6 feet 1, 236 pounds), Ryans may be best suited to playing weakside linebacker in the NFL and is projected to go anywhere from the lower half of the first round to the middle of the second.

 

[nerangers]

Seymour speaks (from Boston.com)

Some of the Q&A from Richard Seymour’s conference call with the media on Thursday:

Did you ever think you’d be signing somewhere else?“I didn’t want to, but unfortunately that’s the reality of the business. It’s a part as a player and also I guess as management that no one likes to go through. But it’s something that has to be done. You have to do your due diligence. It’s part of the process and I understood that and I just looked at it from a business standpoint. But I was always thankful just to have the opportunity to play in the National Football League and I was thankful to the Kraft family and also the Patriots organization for giving me that opportunity. Just to have another opportunity to be able to do that is a blessing. I’m honored to be back in a Patriot uniform. I always said all along, this is the place I wanted to be. If the good Lord says the same, I want to retire a Patriot, and I think we took another step this week in trying to make that come true.”

You previously said you never imagined first coming to New England. What is it about this place that makes you want to possibly retire here?“I think aside from the money and the Super Bowls, I have the opportunity to be with good people. That’s something I’ve maintained, as far as teammates, coaches. One of my main things, at the end of the day, I want to be happy. You can have all the money in the world but if you’re not happy truly then it doesn’t make a difference. I was comfortable at the end of the day. My kids always talk about the Patriots and every time they see football on TV it’s ‘Patriots, Patriots, Patriots.’ I’m just happy for the stability and not wondering what’s going to happen. Just from a business standpoint being able to nail down a deal.”

Is a big part of you wanting to stay that this is a place that gives you the best chance to win a Super Bowl?

"I've never had the opportunity to see how other teams run, function, but I just know being part of the New England Patriots, it's a first-class organization. Also, I always talk to other guys who come in from other teams and they say 'Man, it's great over here.' I just think from that standpoint and also at the end of the day, getting a deal that was pleasing to both sides to aid this process with some give and take on both ends, to massage this thing down to really close the deal, I think was important. Both sides made a great effort. I'm happy that the process is over and I can just kind of move forward as far as football is concerned."

It’s been reported that it’s a four-year deal that would average between $7-8 million per year. Is that accurate?“Hey, that’s the report. I think that’s pretty accurate.”

On losing Adam Vinatieri:

"... At the end of the day, of course we'd love to have number four back in a Patriots uniform. Now we'll be beating up on [number] four."

On that his pride could have previously been a factor in contract negotiations:

"I don't think I look at it that way, as far as letting my pride get in the way of the things I have to do. Anybody who knows me, that's definitely the furthest thing away from the truth. I think I've always maintained the standpoint that I just want to be paid fairly. I think at the end of the day, that's what both sides came across to agree upon."

What was your level of frustration when others from your draft class were getting second contracts and you were still on the first contract?

"I believe, at the end of the day, everything happens for a reason. Maybe it was to grow my patience in a lot of different areas and just mature me as a man. I just look at it from that standpoint. I always thought good things come to those who wait anyway. I'm just glad this process is behind me."

Do you like Bill Belichick?“I don’t care who it is or what’s going on, I think, just to be real honest, I don’t care if we’re brothers, sometimes you fight but at the end of the day you still love each other. I don’t love Coach Belichick like I love my kids and my wife, but at the same time I think there’s definitely a level of respect I have for him, when you look at his track record, he’s the winningest coach in the last four years. That speaks for itself. Myself, I’m like a sponge and I know he has a lot of knowledge and wisdom on a lot of issues as far as football is concerned that can help me out. He’s coached a lot of great players. He’s always pushed me to go to higher levels and that’s something that I definitely respect and would like to grow with as well.”

Article from the Boston Herald: Seymour, Pats play winning hand: Sides agree on $30M deal

According to industry sources, the four-year extension the Pats star defensive lineman signed yesterday is worth just over $30 million with a first-year bonus in the neighborhood of $12 million and combined signing and option bonuses totaling around $19 million.

Receiver Deion Branch could be next to hit pay dirt, as the Pats’ No. 1 receiver is slated to become an unrestricted free agent after 2006. Center Dan Koppen, whose future has some uncertainly after suffering a torn rotator cuff last season, also has just one year left on his rookie deal.

Both will have to get paid if they are to remain in New England, but you can bet the Pats won’t stretch themselves for either player.

From the Boston Globe: Seymour agrees to an extension

While the details of the extension have not been disclosed, one league source indicated Seymour got at least a four-year deal that would average between $7 million and $8 million per season.

The amount of the signing bonus wasn't known, but it likely trumped what defensive tackles John Henderson (six years, $34 million with $13.6 million in guaranteed money) and Marcus Stroud (five years, $31.5 million with $12.5 million in bonuses) got from Jacksonville last month and last year, respectively. It's not known if it approaches the $16 million bonus Jevon Kearse got when he signed an eight-year deal with the Eagles in 2004.

Seymour, who was scheduled to earn $2.02 million this season, had said he wanted to be a Patriot for the remainder of his career, but also wanted to be paid as a top defensive end.

He held out briefly during training camp last season until the Patriots gave him a $2.5 million bump in pay for the 2005 season, with the promise the team would attempt to work out a long-term arrangement with Seymour's agent, Eugene Parker.

The agreement now ensures that Seymour, who would have counted $4.4 million against the cap this season, will continue to be part of one of the most formidable young defensive lines in the NFL. Although bonus figures will affect the majority of the prorated first-year cap hit, it may not be significantly more than what Seymour was already due to count against the cap.

According to NFL Players Association figures in February, Seymour was the 10th-highest-paid defensive end in the league, averaging $5.26 million per season. The highest-paid defensive end was Simeon Rice ($10.7 million), followed by Bryant Young ($7.87 million) and Jason Taylor ($7.86 million).

The highest-paid defensive tackle was San Diego's Jamal Williams at $6.74 million, followed by Stroud at $6.52 million.

 

[Exile]

Patriots | Team has met twice with Ryans

Thu, 13 Apr 2006 06:01:54 -0700

Don Seeholzer, of the Pioneer Press, reports the New England Patriots have met twice with Alabama LB DeMeco Ryans.

Because of his size (6 feet 1, 236 pounds), Ryans may be best suited to playing weakside linebacker in the NFL and is projected to go anywhere from the lower half of the first round to the middle of the second.

Interesting. He's been described as a "coach on the field" type of player, which would seem to make him a Belichick type of guy. But at the same time, he's smaller than Belichick likes his LBs and seems more suited to play in the 4-3.If they go LB in the 1st, I'd rather them get Carpenter.

 

[DoctorDetroit]

Report: Law talking to Patriots | Subscribe CB Ty Law, who visited the Seahawks last week, might be trying to accelerate the process of finding a new team, or returning to his original one. His agent, Carl, Poston, told the Boston Globe that he was expecting to receive an offer from the Seahawks, and that he would run any offers past the Patriots. Seahawks president Tim Ruskell does not have a long track record on such matters, but I'd be a little surprised if Seattle made a substantial offer to a player who apparently planned to use any offers as leverage. From the Globe: "Ty Law has been having discussions directly with coach Bill Belichick on a possible return to the Patriots, according to Law's agent, Carl Poston, but the Patriots have not yet talked money. 'The talks have been on the level of Ty and Bill and nothing else,' Poston said. 'It's been more of a feeling-out process. As I receive some offers on Ty, I'll present them to the Patriots and see what they think and what they can do.' Poston said he was expecting an offer for Law from the Seattle Seahawks last night and that Law is also waiting to hear from the Tennessee Titans on a possible visit." The Titans' interest, or lack thereof, remains difficult to quantify.

Question for Pats fans:Here is an article by a Seahawks insider that I found interesting. My question is if Law is in fact trying to leverage more money out of the Patriots, wouldn't that put him at a disadvantage? I think New England is all business with its players and might not appreciate such a ploy. The Seahawks, Titans, and whomever else might not appreciate this either. I never thought he would end up in Seattle but I think he had some leverage with them. Now I think the Pats will get him at a reduced price all thanks to some bad tactics by Law and his agent. Would you agree or disagree based on the Pats recent history and knowing Law better than the rest of us? Thanks.

 

[nerangers]

Report: Law talking to Patriots | Subscribe

CB Ty Law, who visited the Seahawks last week, might be trying to accelerate the process of finding a new team, or returning to his original one. His agent, Carl, Poston, told the Boston Globe that he was expecting to receive an offer from the Seahawks, and that he would run any offers past the Patriots. Seahawks president Tim Ruskell does not have a long track record on such matters, but I'd be a little surprised if Seattle made a substantial offer to a player who apparently planned to use any offers as leverage.

From the Globe: "Ty Law has been having discussions directly with coach Bill Belichick on a possible return to the Patriots, according to Law's agent, Carl Poston, but the Patriots have not yet talked money. 'The talks have been on the level of Ty and Bill and nothing else,' Poston said. 'It's been more of a feeling-out process. As I receive some offers on Ty, I'll present them to the Patriots and see what they think and what they can do.' Poston said he was expecting an offer for Law from the Seattle Seahawks last night and that Law is also waiting to hear from the Tennessee Titans on a possible visit."

The Titans' interest, or lack thereof, remains difficult to quantify.

Question for Pats fans:Here is an article by a Seahawks insider that I found interesting. My question is if Law is in fact trying to leverage more money out of the Patriots, wouldn't that put him at a disadvantage? I think New England is all business with its players and might not appreciate such a ploy. The Seahawks, Titans, and whomever else might not appreciate this either. I never thought he would end up in Seattle but I think he had some leverage with them. Now I think the Pats will get him at a reduced price all thanks to some bad tactics by Law and his agent. Would you agree or disagree based on the Pats recent history and knowing Law better than the rest of us? Thanks.

For some reason I do not picture Ty Law back as a Patriot...I don't think he left on the best terms...Probably why it is only talks with Ty and Coach B.This was in the Globe: Ty Law has been having discussions directly with coach Bill Belichick on a possible return to the Patriots, according to Law's agent, Carl Poston, but the Patriots have not yet talked money.

''The talks have been on the level of Ty and Bill and nothing else," Poston said. ''It's been more of a feeling-out process. As I receive some offers on Ty, I'll present them to the Patriots and see what they think and what they can do."

Poston said he was expecting an offer for Law from the Seattle Seahawks last night and that Law is also waiting to hear from the Tennessee Titans on a possible visit.

 

[nerangers]

I know everyone is expecting Branch to be signed next...this piece of the Globe Article sort of sets the tone about what kind of money will have to be put up:

the prevailing wisdom was the team would leave a sizable chunk of its salary cap to re-sign Seymour and wide receiver Deion Branch.

With $18 million in cap space available prior to Seymour's deal, the focus may now turn to Branch, who has also said he would like to remain with the Patriots long term.

A starting point for Branch would appear to be the five-year, $24 million deal Givens signed with Tennessee, which included a $6 million signing bonus. Branch's agents will likely argue he should get more than Givens.

Clearly, Seymour, who could have become a free agent following this season, and Branch, who can be an unrestricted free agent after this season, were the team's top two priorities.

Branch might have won himself more leverage with Givens out of the picture and the lack of quality receivers in free agency and the draft.

 

[nerangers]

For those that were wondering how they were able to sign Seymour when you thought they had to wait till August.

Michael Felger of the Boston Herald writes that Seymour's new deal appears to be a win-win situation for both sides. Richard Seymour can claim to be the highest-paid defensive lineman in football and the Patriots have enough wiggle room to claim they didn't set the market, keeping an important internal policy intact. There are some creative elements to the deal, most of which were put into the pact to get around the league rule that stipulates a player can’t receive two raises over a 12-month period. Seymour received a $1.5 million bump in pay after holding out the first few days of training camp last August. The new figures will go into effect immediately.

 

[Borat]

Report: Law talking to Patriots | Subscribe

CB Ty Law, who visited the Seahawks last week, might be trying to accelerate the process of finding a new team, or returning to his original one. His agent, Carl, Poston, told the Boston Globe that he was expecting to receive an offer from the Seahawks, and that he would run any offers past the Patriots. Seahawks president Tim Ruskell does not have a long track record on such matters, but I'd be a little surprised if Seattle made a substantial offer to a player who apparently planned to use any offers as leverage.

From the Globe: "Ty Law has been having discussions directly with coach Bill Belichick on a possible return to the Patriots, according to Law's agent, Carl Poston, but the Patriots have not yet talked money. 'The talks have been on the level of Ty and Bill and nothing else,' Poston said. 'It's been more of a feeling-out process. As I receive some offers on Ty, I'll present them to the Patriots and see what they think and what they can do.' Poston said he was expecting an offer for Law from the Seattle Seahawks last night and that Law is also waiting to hear from the Tennessee Titans on a possible visit."

The Titans' interest, or lack thereof, remains difficult to quantify.

Question for Pats fans:Here is an article by a Seahawks insider that I found interesting. My question is if Law is in fact trying to leverage more money out of the Patriots, wouldn't that put him at a disadvantage? I think New England is all business with its players and might not appreciate such a ploy. The Seahawks, Titans, and whomever else might not appreciate this either. I never thought he would end up in Seattle but I think he had some leverage with them. Now I think the Pats will get him at a reduced price all thanks to some bad tactics by Law and his agent. Would you agree or disagree based on the Pats recent history and knowing Law better than the rest of us? Thanks.

The Patriots know Ty Law better than anyone, and they know that Ty Law is the ultimate mercenary - he wants the most money he can get, but once he gets it, you're getting a guy who's going all out, all the time. But you're also getting a guy who, at this point in his career, is injury-prone, he's lost a step, and the crackdown on contact in the secondary does not favor his game at all.

Law will be back in New England if, and only if, the price is right - which it most likely will not be. The Patriots planned to go on without him a couple of years ago, and they certainly are not building the secondary around him now. If he signs here, it will strictly be a bonus to the personnel that has already been assembled in the secondary.