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Patriots | Team shows pre-draft interest in Turnbull
Mon, 17 Apr 2006 15:40:06 -0700
Alex Marvez, of the Sun-Sentinel, reports Florida International S Nick Turnbull has received pre-draft interest from the New England Patriots.
From Boston.com
NFL teams are allowed up to 30 visits with out-of-town prospects before the draft. All visits must be concluded by the end of this week. The visits usually mean a team still retains interest in the player, and the meetings can serve as a double-check of sorts. The visits also can help teams with a medical or personality question that has yet to be answered.
Linebacker Bobby Carpenter (Ohio State); cornerbacks Tye Hill (Clemson) and Richard Marshall (Fresno State); receiver Chad Jackson (Florida); running back Laurence Maroney (Minnesota); and defensive linemen Ray Edwards (Purdue) and Jeremy Mincey (Florida) are other players who have had pre-draft visits at Gillette Stadium. Safeties Daniel Bullocks (Nebraska) and Bernard Pollard (Purdue) were also previously scheduled to visit Gillette Stadium, while safety Darnell Bing (USC) told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette he had a visit scheduled with New England for the week of April 17.
Mon, 17 Apr 2006 15:40:06 -0700
Alex Marvez, of the Sun-Sentinel, reports Florida International S Nick Turnbull has received pre-draft interest from the New England Patriots.
From Boston.com
NFL teams are allowed up to 30 visits with out-of-town prospects before the draft. All visits must be concluded by the end of this week. The visits usually mean a team still retains interest in the player, and the meetings can serve as a double-check of sorts. The visits also can help teams with a medical or personality question that has yet to be answered.
Linebacker Bobby Carpenter (Ohio State); cornerbacks Tye Hill (Clemson) and Richard Marshall (Fresno State); receiver Chad Jackson (Florida); running back Laurence Maroney (Minnesota); and defensive linemen Ray Edwards (Purdue) and Jeremy Mincey (Florida) are other players who have had pre-draft visits at Gillette Stadium. Safeties Daniel Bullocks (Nebraska) and Bernard Pollard (Purdue) were also previously scheduled to visit Gillette Stadium, while safety Darnell Bing (USC) told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette he had a visit scheduled with New England for the week of April 17.
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Patriots | Cofield visit this week
Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:28:11 -0700
Mike Reiss, of the Boston Globe, reports the New England Patriots will conduct a pre-draft visit with Northwestern DL Barry Cofield sometime this week.
Cofield on radar (from boston.com)
The Patriots are well stocked on the defensive line, with Richard Seymour (2009), Ty Warren (2008), Vince Wilfork (2009), Jarvis Green (2009) and Marquise Hill (2008) all under contract for at least three more seasons.
When it comes to team needs, the defensive line ranks near the bottom of the list.
Yet that didn’t stop the Patriots from scheduling a pre-draft visit with Northwestern defensive lineman Barry Cofield. The 6-foot-4, 304-pound Cofield is expected to arrive at Gillette Stadium sometime this week, according to an NFL source.
Cofield is a projected first-day pick (likely rounds 2-3) who some scouts feel fits best in a 3-4 defense, which the Patriots employ. He has superlative athletic ability for a player his size, notching a 34-inch vertical leap, and is also considered a versatile player with the skills to play each position on the line. Patriots coach Bill Belichick is known to like versatile players, and the team’s draft history (3 first-round linemen in 6 years) indicates great value is placed on the defensive line position.
This marks the second straight year the Patriots would host a Northwestern defensive lineman prior to the draft. The team met with Luis Castillo (28th overall, Chargers) at Gillette Stadium prior to the 2005 draft.
Defensive Tackle | Senior | Northwestern Barry Cofield
Height: 6-4 | Weight: 304 | 40-Time: 4.94
Strengths:
Has good size and a big frame...Athletic with good speed and quickness...Very strong and powerful...Plays with good leverage and gets a push...Does a superb job of locating the ball...Stout at the point and defends the run very well...Smart with good intangibles...Has a lot of experience and proved to be very durable.
Weaknesses:
Is not a great pass rusher or sack artist...Tends to wear down and needs to increase his stamina...Lacks a nasty demeanor on the field and can be more aggressive...Never focused on one position...Might be a DE / DT 'tweener.
Notes:
Played defensive tackle as a freshman and senior and then defensive end in between...Could play in the middle of a 4-3 or even shift outside to defensive end in a 3-4 scheme...The type who does everything well but nothing great...Definitely has some intriguing physical tools and the success Luis Castillo had should help.
Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:28:11 -0700
Mike Reiss, of the Boston Globe, reports the New England Patriots will conduct a pre-draft visit with Northwestern DL Barry Cofield sometime this week.
Cofield on radar (from boston.com)
The Patriots are well stocked on the defensive line, with Richard Seymour (2009), Ty Warren (2008), Vince Wilfork (2009), Jarvis Green (2009) and Marquise Hill (2008) all under contract for at least three more seasons.
When it comes to team needs, the defensive line ranks near the bottom of the list.
Yet that didn’t stop the Patriots from scheduling a pre-draft visit with Northwestern defensive lineman Barry Cofield. The 6-foot-4, 304-pound Cofield is expected to arrive at Gillette Stadium sometime this week, according to an NFL source.
Cofield is a projected first-day pick (likely rounds 2-3) who some scouts feel fits best in a 3-4 defense, which the Patriots employ. He has superlative athletic ability for a player his size, notching a 34-inch vertical leap, and is also considered a versatile player with the skills to play each position on the line. Patriots coach Bill Belichick is known to like versatile players, and the team’s draft history (3 first-round linemen in 6 years) indicates great value is placed on the defensive line position.
This marks the second straight year the Patriots would host a Northwestern defensive lineman prior to the draft. The team met with Luis Castillo (28th overall, Chargers) at Gillette Stadium prior to the 2005 draft.
Defensive Tackle | Senior | Northwestern Barry Cofield
Height: 6-4 | Weight: 304 | 40-Time: 4.94
Strengths:
Has good size and a big frame...Athletic with good speed and quickness...Very strong and powerful...Plays with good leverage and gets a push...Does a superb job of locating the ball...Stout at the point and defends the run very well...Smart with good intangibles...Has a lot of experience and proved to be very durable.
Weaknesses:
Is not a great pass rusher or sack artist...Tends to wear down and needs to increase his stamina...Lacks a nasty demeanor on the field and can be more aggressive...Never focused on one position...Might be a DE / DT 'tweener.
Notes:
Played defensive tackle as a freshman and senior and then defensive end in between...Could play in the middle of a 4-3 or even shift outside to defensive end in a 3-4 scheme...The type who does everything well but nothing great...Definitely has some intriguing physical tools and the success Luis Castillo had should help.
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Patriots | Team to visit with Bing this week
Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:26:58 -0700
Mike Reiss, of the Boston Globe, citing the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, reports the New England Patriots will conduct a pre-draft visit with USC S Darnell Bing sometime this week.
Safety | Junior | Southern Cal Darnell Bing
Height: 6-2 | Weight: 227 | 40-Time: 4.53
Strengths:
Has excellent size...An explosive natural athlete...Has outstanding instincts...Does a great job of supporting the run...Tough, strong and physical...Can really lay the lumber...A playmaker who has a knack for being around the ball and making the big play...Productive and experienced having started three years for the Trojans.
Weaknesses:
Does not have great timed speed...Is not very natural in coverage...Goes for the big hit rather than the secure tackle too often...Can be too aggressive and will overpursue at times...Durability is a concern as he has a history of minor injuries.
Notes:
Was a part of the famed 2002 Long Beach Poly high school class that also included Winston Justice (USC), Marcedes Lewis (U.C.L.A.), Hershel Dennis (USC), and Manuel Wright (Miami Dolphins)...Did not qualify to play out of high school and spent 2002 at Long Beach (Calif.) City College...When all is said and done this guy is the type who always seems to come through with the game changing play.
Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:26:58 -0700
Mike Reiss, of the Boston Globe, citing the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, reports the New England Patriots will conduct a pre-draft visit with USC S Darnell Bing sometime this week.
Safety | Junior | Southern Cal Darnell Bing
Height: 6-2 | Weight: 227 | 40-Time: 4.53
Strengths:
Has excellent size...An explosive natural athlete...Has outstanding instincts...Does a great job of supporting the run...Tough, strong and physical...Can really lay the lumber...A playmaker who has a knack for being around the ball and making the big play...Productive and experienced having started three years for the Trojans.
Weaknesses:
Does not have great timed speed...Is not very natural in coverage...Goes for the big hit rather than the secure tackle too often...Can be too aggressive and will overpursue at times...Durability is a concern as he has a history of minor injuries.
Notes:
Was a part of the famed 2002 Long Beach Poly high school class that also included Winston Justice (USC), Marcedes Lewis (U.C.L.A.), Hershel Dennis (USC), and Manuel Wright (Miami Dolphins)...Did not qualify to play out of high school and spent 2002 at Long Beach (Calif.) City College...When all is said and done this guy is the type who always seems to come through with the game changing play.
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Whaddya think of grabbing Duckett? Here it says
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/falcons/home.htm
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Patriots | Team showing pre-draft interest in Pociask
Mon, 17 Apr 2006 17:42:44 -0700
Wisconsin TE Jason Pociask has received interest from the New England Patriots, as they have invited him for a pre-draft visit.
NFL | Law action to pick up?
Mon, 17 Apr 2006 19:23:31 -0700
ESPN.com's John Clayton reports agent Kevin Poston expects things to pick up this week for his client, free agent CB Ty Law (Jets). Law is awaiting an offer from the Seattle Seahawks and other teams.
Mon, 17 Apr 2006 17:42:44 -0700
Wisconsin TE Jason Pociask has received interest from the New England Patriots, as they have invited him for a pre-draft visit.
NFL | Law action to pick up?
Mon, 17 Apr 2006 19:23:31 -0700
ESPN.com's John Clayton reports agent Kevin Poston expects things to pick up this week for his client, free agent CB Ty Law (Jets). Law is awaiting an offer from the Seattle Seahawks and other teams.
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Earlier in the season, I was thinking the Pats might look at him for a goal line package to try and keep Dillon fresh. You have to ask yourself why such a decline over the last five games though. I don't see him in a Patriot Uniform at this time. From the article: Running Back: Looking toward 2007 and the potential departure or reduction in role of Warrick Dunn, it's important that the team have a player of his caliber, size and elusiveness to learn from a three-time Pro Bowl selection in '06. Right now, there seems no chance that T.J. Duckett would return with a new contract. His decline in the final five games was frightening. Averaging 1.1 yards over Atlanta's 1-4 finish sent scouts scurrying for answers heading into this draft. Waiting until the second round could be worth the risk if Wisconsin's Brian Calhoun is still available. Calhoun, like Williams, resembles Dunn more than a bigger back whose frame is more akin to Duckett.
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*Duckett does little for me. He adds nothing to what they currently have. With Dillon handling the short yardage duties (as well as full time duties), Faulk your third down specialist and Pass a jack of all trades Duckett really doesn't fit in. They need either a big play threat or Dillon's eventual replacement and I don't see Duckett doing either.
*I keep hearing the Pats don't need help at DLine and I really disagree with this. With Seymour, Warren, Wilfork and Green they are loaded from 1-4. Yet, after that there's a huge dropoff. Hill is not developing, Wright is still an unknown quantity and Klecko still hasn't found his niche. The Pats badly need depth here. If the injury bug hit here they could be in big trouble real fast. I really wouldn't be surprised to see a first day pick spent on this area.
*I keep hearing the Pats don't need help at DLine and I really disagree with this. With Seymour, Warren, Wilfork and Green they are loaded from 1-4. Yet, after that there's a huge dropoff. Hill is not developing, Wright is still an unknown quantity and Klecko still hasn't found his niche. The Pats badly need depth here. If the injury bug hit here they could be in big trouble real fast. I really wouldn't be surprised to see a first day pick spent on this area.
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Footballguy
from boston.com
Brady's take
Quarterback Tom Brady co-hosted a two-hour show on SIRIUS NFL Radio on April 15, and touched on a few Patriots-related topics.
The following excerpts were passed along from SIRIUS NFL Radio:
Brady on free agent losses: "[Adam Vinatieri] is a great teammate. The most clutch kicker in NFL history. A future Hall of Famer. He’ll always be a good friend. I hate to see him go to the Colts. I hate to see him go anywhere other than kick for us but that’s part of what this league is built on. We’ve just got to try to regroup, try to fill that void and obviously we wish him the best of luck. Everybody wanted David Givens back and everybody wanted Willie McGinest back and Tom Ashworth. ... But I think those guys had great opportunities in other places and they decided to explore those opportunities. That’s their right and that’s what they’ve earned and it is hard for me, as a player, to say, ‘Guys, you shouldn’t do that. You should have stayed with us.’ Because they wanted to go on. They wanted to test the free agent market and hopefully they are happy with where they’re at.”
Brady on Rodney Harrison: “I don’t think there’s any player on our team that works harder than Rodney and Rodney was out there the other day running and cutting. It’s been a tough injury for him but if there’s one guy who can come back from that injury it's Rodney Harrison. ... He’s the best defensive player I’ve ever played with. When we beat the Eagles [in Super Bowl XXXIX], Rodney Harrison was the MVP of that team, he was the MVP of that Super Bowl. I know Deion [branch] won it and believe me there’s nobody who loves Deion more than me but Rodney Harrison, if you were a Patriots fan, you knew who the best player on the team was. It was Rodney Harrison, without a doubt.”
Brady on Richard Seymour: “I think Richard has more respect from everybody than any other player on our team. He’s such a young man in age but he’s so mature and so professional. He’s had a lot of tough things happen in his life. ... I know how thrilled I was [about his contract extension]. He’s one of my closest friends on the team.”
Brady's take
Quarterback Tom Brady co-hosted a two-hour show on SIRIUS NFL Radio on April 15, and touched on a few Patriots-related topics.
The following excerpts were passed along from SIRIUS NFL Radio:
Brady on free agent losses: "[Adam Vinatieri] is a great teammate. The most clutch kicker in NFL history. A future Hall of Famer. He’ll always be a good friend. I hate to see him go to the Colts. I hate to see him go anywhere other than kick for us but that’s part of what this league is built on. We’ve just got to try to regroup, try to fill that void and obviously we wish him the best of luck. Everybody wanted David Givens back and everybody wanted Willie McGinest back and Tom Ashworth. ... But I think those guys had great opportunities in other places and they decided to explore those opportunities. That’s their right and that’s what they’ve earned and it is hard for me, as a player, to say, ‘Guys, you shouldn’t do that. You should have stayed with us.’ Because they wanted to go on. They wanted to test the free agent market and hopefully they are happy with where they’re at.”
Brady on Rodney Harrison: “I don’t think there’s any player on our team that works harder than Rodney and Rodney was out there the other day running and cutting. It’s been a tough injury for him but if there’s one guy who can come back from that injury it's Rodney Harrison. ... He’s the best defensive player I’ve ever played with. When we beat the Eagles [in Super Bowl XXXIX], Rodney Harrison was the MVP of that team, he was the MVP of that Super Bowl. I know Deion [branch] won it and believe me there’s nobody who loves Deion more than me but Rodney Harrison, if you were a Patriots fan, you knew who the best player on the team was. It was Rodney Harrison, without a doubt.”
Brady on Richard Seymour: “I think Richard has more respect from everybody than any other player on our team. He’s such a young man in age but he’s so mature and so professional. He’s had a lot of tough things happen in his life. ... I know how thrilled I was [about his contract extension]. He’s one of my closest friends on the team.”
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Brady is all class.
I dont think my man love for him could reach new heights. I think I might go home and give my Tom Brady fathead a japanese bow of respect.
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Footballguy
Brady on Rodney Harrison: “I don’t think there’s any player on our team that works harder than Rodney and Rodney was out there the other day running and cutting. It’s been a tough injury for him but if there’s one guy who can come back from that injury it's Rodney Harrison. ... He’s the best defensive player I’ve ever played with. When we beat the Eagles [in Super Bowl XXXIX], Rodney Harrison was the MVP of that team, he was the MVP of that Super Bowl. I know Deion [branch] won it and believe me there’s nobody who loves Deion more than me but Rodney Harrison, if you were a Patriots fan, you knew who the best player on the team was. It was Rodney Harrison, without a doubt.”
If they can get Harrison back to form a lot will fall into place for the Pats. He's the type of guy you truly can't appreciate until you watch him play every game. The ferocity he beings to every play is absolutely amazing. I don't think this guy has ever taken a play off in his career. Add in the unmatched leadership skills and he's a legit stud.
If they can get Harrison back to form a lot will fall into place for the Pats. He's the type of guy you truly can't appreciate until you watch him play every game. The ferocity he beings to every play is absolutely amazing. I don't think this guy has ever taken a play off in his career. Add in the unmatched leadership skills and he's a legit stud.
nerangers
Footballguy
Jones might be a better choice although I don't think someone would give up two draft picks for him...I did not know the Bears would looking to move him till at least Benson was ready to take over the starting role.Colts | Team not interested in T. Jones
Tue, 18 Apr 2006 16:39:06 -0700
ESPN.com's John Clayton reports the Indianapolis Colts do not appear to be interested in Chicago Bears RB Thomas Jones. Though the Colts are in the market for a running back, the pursuit of Jones will probably not happen for a couple of reasons. First, Jones just went through an agent change and the Colts don't want to get involved in a messy contract renegotiation. Second, Jones and RB Cedric Benson are a great one-two punch in their backfield and the Bears would want maybe two first-day draft choices to part with Jones.
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Belichick Pre-Draft Press Conference
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Typically high level stuff...a few notes...- Talked about how every team he talks to wishes they were a little higher...said it was the nature of things...if you are 5 you want to be at 2, if you are at 20 you want to be at 10, if you are 30 you want to be at 20...he said if they were higher he's sure they'd still want to be somewhere else...so you take what you've got and work with it...
- Deflected a question about Vinateiri situation...said something like "he's not with us anymore, we move forward" and then "as for contract stuff that story is longer than it is worth telling"
- Talked about the lack of depth in this years draft, noted 2004 when players like Watson, Jackon, and K.Jones fell to the bottom of the first and doesn't expect to see that this year...also noted that this year many players lack the kind of experience that can be scouted due to injuries or coming out early, etc.
- Agreed there is some more depth at LB this year compared to years past...discussed the difficulty in finding 3-4 DE and OLB in the draft because there's no real experience in those roles
- Talked about the pitfalls of drafting for need, especially if that player doesn't work out...referenced the Giants drafting Banks when they already had Taylor and (Carson?) and how unpopular that decision was, but turned out to be one of their best...
- Talk about moving up/down in the draft, believes they have a lot of flexibility, again this year...talked about value and evaluating draft day trades on the spot, on the fly
nerangers
Footballguy
From boston.com
Hot list
Starting today, I'll be taking a few days off, and as a result there won't be any updates on the blog.
However, we'll be back providing extensive coverage of the Patriots' draft, starting Saturday, April 29 from Gillette Stadium.
In the meantime, we’ve produced a “hot list” of three players at each position who could be Patriots targets at various points of the draft. Some obvious players, such as USC running back Reggie Bush, are left out because they won't be available.
Hopefully this will whet the appetite of Patriots' fans up until the draft.
Quarterback
* Brett Basanez (Northwestern) -- The Pro Football Weekly draft guide calls him smart, hard-working and dedicated
* Erik Meyer (Eastern Washington) -- Late-round projection who has a winning touch.
* Paul Pinegar (Fresno State) -- At 6-5, 232, he has the measurables scouts look for.
Running back
* Joseph Addai (LSU) -- Versatility as a special teamer and pass-catcher adds to his value.
* Maurice Drew (UCLA) -- Although short at 5-6, makes plays and is also a returner.
* Laurence Maroney (Minnesota) -- He’s unlikely to make it out of the first round.
Wide receiver
* Jason Avant (Michigan) -- Ran a slow 40, but plays much faster and runs precise routes.
* Chad Jackson (Florida) -- Blazing speed, although only had one big college season.
* Maurice Stovall (Notre Dame) -- Flourished under Charlie Weis, and has impressive size (6-4, 217).
Tight end
* Anthony Fasano (Notre Dame) -- Hard worker put up best numbers as a senior under Charlie Weis.
* Leonard Pope (Georgia) -- At 6-7, 258, the type of package that catches the eye.
* David Thomas (Texas) -- From production to intangibles, he’s a first-day talent.
Offensive line
* Rashad Butler (Miami) –- Has experience at right tackle and left tackle.
* Chris Chester (Oklahoma) –- A first-day pick who plays center and guard, he has battled injuries in the past.
* Davin Joseph (Oklahoma) -- A guard-tackle, he’s projected to be picked on the first day.
Defensive line
* Barry Cofield (Northwestern) –- Versatility could be appealing, as is his 34-inch vertical leap.
* Orien Harris (Miami) – Another big talent with versatility.
* Julian Jenkins (Stanford) – Played some 3-4 in college.
Outside linebacker
* Parys Haralson (Tennessee) –- At 6-foot-1, 253 pounds, he is described as nasty by the Pro Football Weekly draft guide.
* Rob Ninkovich (Purdue) -- The 6-2, 260-pounder is known for his effort.
* Darryl Tapp (Virginia Tech) –- Senior Bowl performance against Virginia left tackle D'Brickashaw Ferguson opened some eyes.
Inside linebacker
* Bobby Carpenter (Ohio State) -- Could also play outside linebacker; Bill Belichick coached his father, Rob, with the Giants.
* Abdul Hodge (Iowa) –- Scouts might be concerned with his size (6-0, 236), but he is known as a plugger in the middle.
* Kai Parham (Virginia) –- Enters the draft as a junior after playing the 3-4 defense under Al Groh.
Cornerback
* Cedric Griffin (Texas) -- Can also play safety and is a sure tackler.
* Tye Hill (Clemson) -- Lack of size (5-9) is overshadowed by athleticism and speed (4.35 40-yard dash)
* Richard Marshall (Fresno State) –- Close friends with Patriots safety James Sanders.
Safety
* Daniel Bullocks (Nebraska) -- Is fast (4.4 in 40) and is a strong special teams player.
* Anthony Smith (Syracuse) -- The Pro Football Weekly draft guide describes him as “born to play the game.”
* Donte Whitner (Ohio State) -- Considered fast enough to also play corner.
Kicker
Connor Hughes (Virginia)
Josh Huston (Ohio State)
Jon Scifres (Missouri State)
Check back Saturday, April 29, as we'll be reporting from the Patriots' draft headquarters at Gillette Stadium.
Hot list
Starting today, I'll be taking a few days off, and as a result there won't be any updates on the blog.
However, we'll be back providing extensive coverage of the Patriots' draft, starting Saturday, April 29 from Gillette Stadium.
In the meantime, we’ve produced a “hot list” of three players at each position who could be Patriots targets at various points of the draft. Some obvious players, such as USC running back Reggie Bush, are left out because they won't be available.
Hopefully this will whet the appetite of Patriots' fans up until the draft.
Quarterback
* Brett Basanez (Northwestern) -- The Pro Football Weekly draft guide calls him smart, hard-working and dedicated
* Erik Meyer (Eastern Washington) -- Late-round projection who has a winning touch.
* Paul Pinegar (Fresno State) -- At 6-5, 232, he has the measurables scouts look for.
Running back
* Joseph Addai (LSU) -- Versatility as a special teamer and pass-catcher adds to his value.
* Maurice Drew (UCLA) -- Although short at 5-6, makes plays and is also a returner.
* Laurence Maroney (Minnesota) -- He’s unlikely to make it out of the first round.
Wide receiver
* Jason Avant (Michigan) -- Ran a slow 40, but plays much faster and runs precise routes.
* Chad Jackson (Florida) -- Blazing speed, although only had one big college season.
* Maurice Stovall (Notre Dame) -- Flourished under Charlie Weis, and has impressive size (6-4, 217).
Tight end
* Anthony Fasano (Notre Dame) -- Hard worker put up best numbers as a senior under Charlie Weis.
* Leonard Pope (Georgia) -- At 6-7, 258, the type of package that catches the eye.
* David Thomas (Texas) -- From production to intangibles, he’s a first-day talent.
Offensive line
* Rashad Butler (Miami) –- Has experience at right tackle and left tackle.
* Chris Chester (Oklahoma) –- A first-day pick who plays center and guard, he has battled injuries in the past.
* Davin Joseph (Oklahoma) -- A guard-tackle, he’s projected to be picked on the first day.
Defensive line
* Barry Cofield (Northwestern) –- Versatility could be appealing, as is his 34-inch vertical leap.
* Orien Harris (Miami) – Another big talent with versatility.
* Julian Jenkins (Stanford) – Played some 3-4 in college.
Outside linebacker
* Parys Haralson (Tennessee) –- At 6-foot-1, 253 pounds, he is described as nasty by the Pro Football Weekly draft guide.
* Rob Ninkovich (Purdue) -- The 6-2, 260-pounder is known for his effort.
* Darryl Tapp (Virginia Tech) –- Senior Bowl performance against Virginia left tackle D'Brickashaw Ferguson opened some eyes.
Inside linebacker
* Bobby Carpenter (Ohio State) -- Could also play outside linebacker; Bill Belichick coached his father, Rob, with the Giants.
* Abdul Hodge (Iowa) –- Scouts might be concerned with his size (6-0, 236), but he is known as a plugger in the middle.
* Kai Parham (Virginia) –- Enters the draft as a junior after playing the 3-4 defense under Al Groh.
Cornerback
* Cedric Griffin (Texas) -- Can also play safety and is a sure tackler.
* Tye Hill (Clemson) -- Lack of size (5-9) is overshadowed by athleticism and speed (4.35 40-yard dash)
* Richard Marshall (Fresno State) –- Close friends with Patriots safety James Sanders.
Safety
* Daniel Bullocks (Nebraska) -- Is fast (4.4 in 40) and is a strong special teams player.
* Anthony Smith (Syracuse) -- The Pro Football Weekly draft guide describes him as “born to play the game.”
* Donte Whitner (Ohio State) -- Considered fast enough to also play corner.
Kicker
Connor Hughes (Virginia)
Josh Huston (Ohio State)
Jon Scifres (Missouri State)
Check back Saturday, April 29, as we'll be reporting from the Patriots' draft headquarters at Gillette Stadium.
nerangers
Footballguy
Here is more to back this up...from boston.comApril 19, 2006
Bill on 'backers
Patriots coach Bill Belichick answered several questions on linebackers during his pre-draft press conference.
Last year at this time, Belichick wondered if the Patriots’ standards for the position were too high, because there weren’t a lot of players coming out of college with the skills the team was looking for in its 3-4 defense.
The current crop of linebackers, however, is one of the better ones for the Patriots in recent years.
“I think there are more guys this year at the linebacker position,” Belichick said. “Again, we’re a [3-4] team and with inside and outside linebackers, it’s a little wider spread [with skills sets] for us than with some teams. For us, there are probably more linebackers than we’ve had the last couple years, and some of those guys have had a lot of production, a lot of playing time, been 3-4-year starters in top programs that are rushers, that can play the run, that have some position flexibility. I’d say there’s more depth in that group than what we’ve seen the last few years.”
Belichick also reiterated a point that Browns general manager Phil Savage made earlier in the week -- that scouting outside linebackers for the 3-4 defense is a great challenge because teams must project how a college player will adjust from playing in a three-point stance to a two-point stance.
“I think if you look at most of the 3-4 teams, a lot of those outside linebackers are going to be college defensive ends. Those guys are the 240, 250, 260 kind of guys in college, most people aren’t standing them up [in college] and putting them in coverage. They’re putting them down and rushing them. Most college teams play a four-man line. There are only a few college teams that play a system similar to ours, Virginia being probably the main one. … For us, most of the guys who have played linebacker in college, to play linebacker [in our system they] are really going to have to play inside.”
A few other Belichick bits:
On receivers:“The last couple of years there have been a lot of guys go in the first round, mostly bigger receivers. That’s been a trend and a little bit of a stampede to get those kind of guys. It seems like there are fewer of them this year. I’m not saying they’re better or worse, but there are guys this year that are maybe higher on the board that don’t have that 6-2, 215 [pound] stature that a lot of them had coming out the last couple of years."
On Adam Vinatieri’s departure:“There is going to be transition on every team. Every team in the league has that. We’ve had players come, we’ve had players go. In terms of individual negotiations and all that, I think it’s a lot longer story than is worth telling. And it doesn’t make any difference. He’s not here. We’re doing what we do every year, every spring, build our team and try to make it as competitive as we can heading into training camp and the regular season in the fall. That goes for every position and every player, across the board.”
On picking for need vs. the best player available:“…I go back to when I was with the Giants and we had [linebackers] Lawrence Taylor and Brad Van Pelt, and took [linebacker] Carl Banks. Nobody liked that pick. ‘That was a pretty stupid pick, why would you take Banks when you have Van Pelt and Taylor?’ It turned out to be probably one of the best picks with the Giants. I think you have to take guys that you think are good football players. Putting the team together, that’s certainly a process you have to go through. You can’t try to manufacture someone -- ‘we need this position’ -- and take a guy. If he isn’t able to do the job, then you still need that position.”
On if the Patriots prefer bigger running backs:“… I wouldn’t rule out anybody. Reggie Bush, I think he could play for us.”
On the team’s flexibility to make trades on draft day with 11 picks (9 of which can be traded):“I think we have quite a bit of flexibility from a draft strategy standpoint. Last year we went into the draft with no [tradeable] third-round pick, it was a compensatory pick. I felt like we didn’t have too much flexibility. This year, we have an extra third and fourth from last year’s trades, and having those extra mid-round picks in a full draft certainly gives you flexibility to move up in rounds. Again, there is only so far you can move in the first round. From 21, you’re not going to be able to get into the Top 10. But you can move up a couple spots. That’s a little bit different from the situation heading into last year’s draft. We all know from our draft history that we’re not afraid to trade ‘em, moving up, moving down, or like we did last year just sit there and take them when our turn comes up. There’s no way to predict that but it’s good to have the flexibility to do that.”
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Footballguy
from boston.com
Belichick on draft
Patriots coach Bill Belichick opened his pre-draft press conference with the following statement:
“I think we’re kind of sailing along here, a normal type of offseason. We had a little bit of transition on our team with players and some of the coaches. The offseason program is in full swing. We have a lot of guys back here working hard. We’re in the team-building stage, as we always are at this point in the year -- looking at the players in the NFL, looking at college players. Approaching the college draft is always an exciting time of year for all organizations –- coaches, scouts, personnel people. You start putting it together and trying to familiarize yourself and learn about all the new players who are coming into the draft, and just try to be prepared for whatever draft scenarios take place next weekend. Really, there is no set formula on it. I think the best thing is just do your homework, be prepared, and be ready to deal with whatever the situations are. I think no matter where you are on the draft board -- if you’re at 10, you’d rather be at 5; if you’re at 20, you’d rather be at 10; if you’re at 30, you’d rather be at 20. So it doesn’t really matter where you are. We’re at 21, and when we look up there, we could probably find a place we’d rather be. And if we were there, we’d want to be somewhere else. It’s just one of the mind games that you play going into the draft. In the end, it just comes back to being prepared, doing your homework, and trying to understand where the players fit in your system when it’s your turn to either pick or trade.
“So that’s pretty much where we are. We’ve gone through the board pretty thoroughly and now it’s a lot of last minute kind of tie-up things, and trying to make some evaluations of players relative to different positions, or different scenarios.
“The one thing about this draft that I think is a little bit different than some of the other ones -- not totally unique -- but there are more players who I would say are more in the developmental stage for one reason or another. Either they didn’t play a lot last year, or they are fairly young in their career, and there just isn’t as much exposure on them as maybe what we’ve had in the past. In terms of a broad picture, there are always juniors entering, there are always guys who haven’t played a lot of football that are circumstantially behind. Not that they aren’t good players but there isn’t enough exposure on them. It seems like there are more of them this year -- one-year starters, half-year starters, guys coming out early, guys who were hurt, stuff like that.
“That’s the way it goes. We’re all looking at the same players. We just try to do the best we can with the information that we have available. That’s where we’re at.
“Anything on the draft, that type of thing, I’d be happy to talk about. From a team-building standpoint, what’s happened has happened and we’re just going to try to take advantage of every opportunity we can to put the best team we can on the field this year.”
History lesson
Bill Belichick held his annual pre-draft press conference at Gillette Stadium on Wednesday (10 a.m. ET), and said one thing that stands out to him about the 2006 draft is the lack of history on some of the top prospects.
“There are more guys who have less production, less history -- particularly early with some of the higher-rated players. They just haven’t had the opportunity, for one reason or another, to perform as much or as long as historically what you would see in other drafts relative to those grade levels. But we're all working on the same [players].”
Patriots | Team has 11 draft picks
Wed, 19 Apr 2006 18:26:30 -0700
The New England Patriots have 11 draft picks in the 2006 NFL Draft. The team has picks 1.21 (21 overall), 2.20 (52 overall), 3.11 (75 overall), 3.22 (86 overall), 4.9 (106 overall), 4.21 (118 overall), 5.3 (136 overall), 6.22 (191 overall), 6.36 (205 overall), 6.37 (206 overall) and 7.21 (229 overall).
Belichick on draft
Patriots coach Bill Belichick opened his pre-draft press conference with the following statement:
“I think we’re kind of sailing along here, a normal type of offseason. We had a little bit of transition on our team with players and some of the coaches. The offseason program is in full swing. We have a lot of guys back here working hard. We’re in the team-building stage, as we always are at this point in the year -- looking at the players in the NFL, looking at college players. Approaching the college draft is always an exciting time of year for all organizations –- coaches, scouts, personnel people. You start putting it together and trying to familiarize yourself and learn about all the new players who are coming into the draft, and just try to be prepared for whatever draft scenarios take place next weekend. Really, there is no set formula on it. I think the best thing is just do your homework, be prepared, and be ready to deal with whatever the situations are. I think no matter where you are on the draft board -- if you’re at 10, you’d rather be at 5; if you’re at 20, you’d rather be at 10; if you’re at 30, you’d rather be at 20. So it doesn’t really matter where you are. We’re at 21, and when we look up there, we could probably find a place we’d rather be. And if we were there, we’d want to be somewhere else. It’s just one of the mind games that you play going into the draft. In the end, it just comes back to being prepared, doing your homework, and trying to understand where the players fit in your system when it’s your turn to either pick or trade.
“So that’s pretty much where we are. We’ve gone through the board pretty thoroughly and now it’s a lot of last minute kind of tie-up things, and trying to make some evaluations of players relative to different positions, or different scenarios.
“The one thing about this draft that I think is a little bit different than some of the other ones -- not totally unique -- but there are more players who I would say are more in the developmental stage for one reason or another. Either they didn’t play a lot last year, or they are fairly young in their career, and there just isn’t as much exposure on them as maybe what we’ve had in the past. In terms of a broad picture, there are always juniors entering, there are always guys who haven’t played a lot of football that are circumstantially behind. Not that they aren’t good players but there isn’t enough exposure on them. It seems like there are more of them this year -- one-year starters, half-year starters, guys coming out early, guys who were hurt, stuff like that.
“That’s the way it goes. We’re all looking at the same players. We just try to do the best we can with the information that we have available. That’s where we’re at.
“Anything on the draft, that type of thing, I’d be happy to talk about. From a team-building standpoint, what’s happened has happened and we’re just going to try to take advantage of every opportunity we can to put the best team we can on the field this year.”
History lesson
Bill Belichick held his annual pre-draft press conference at Gillette Stadium on Wednesday (10 a.m. ET), and said one thing that stands out to him about the 2006 draft is the lack of history on some of the top prospects.
“There are more guys who have less production, less history -- particularly early with some of the higher-rated players. They just haven’t had the opportunity, for one reason or another, to perform as much or as long as historically what you would see in other drafts relative to those grade levels. But we're all working on the same [players].”
Patriots | Team has 11 draft picks
Wed, 19 Apr 2006 18:26:30 -0700
The New England Patriots have 11 draft picks in the 2006 NFL Draft. The team has picks 1.21 (21 overall), 2.20 (52 overall), 3.11 (75 overall), 3.22 (86 overall), 4.9 (106 overall), 4.21 (118 overall), 5.3 (136 overall), 6.22 (191 overall), 6.36 (205 overall), 6.37 (206 overall) and 7.21 (229 overall).
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Footballguy
LBs in focus
For those who enjoy following the ins and outs of the NFL Draft, and how they possibly connect to the Patriots, this article from Wednesday' Cleveland Plain Dealer is a good read.
Because the Cleveland Browns are coached by former Patriots defensive coordinator Romeo Crennel, and play a similar 3-4 defense, there is a strong connection to New England.
The focus of the Cleveland Plain Dealer article is the linebacker position. Browns general manager Phil Savage said that projecting an outside linebacker is the "meat and potatoes of scouting for the 3-4 [defense]." It is often difficult because the players are defensive linemen in college, and scouts must project how they will perform as a linebacker in the NFL.
Savage said the Browns have spent a considerable amount of time scouting the following 3-4 outside linebackers: Tamba Hali (Penn State), Darryl Tapp (Virginia Tech), Parys Haralson (Tennessee), Manny Lawson (NC State), Kamerion Wimbley (Florida State), Rob Ninkovich (Purdue) and Mike Kudla (Ohio State).
Savage listed the following players as inside linebacker fits in the 3-4: A.J. Hawk (Ohio State), Bobby Carpenter (Ohio State), Chad Greenway (Iowa), Abdul Hodge (Iowa), Ernie Sims (Florida State), Kai Parham (Virginia), Demeco Ryans (Alabama), Roger McIntosh (Miami) and D'Qwell Jackson (Maryland).
These names, and how they potentially fit in the 3-4 defense, are good to file away when considering how the Patriots might approach the linebacker position in the NFL Draft. Linebacker is one of the Patriots' greatest needs.
For those who enjoy following the ins and outs of the NFL Draft, and how they possibly connect to the Patriots, this article from Wednesday' Cleveland Plain Dealer is a good read.
Because the Cleveland Browns are coached by former Patriots defensive coordinator Romeo Crennel, and play a similar 3-4 defense, there is a strong connection to New England.
The focus of the Cleveland Plain Dealer article is the linebacker position. Browns general manager Phil Savage said that projecting an outside linebacker is the "meat and potatoes of scouting for the 3-4 [defense]." It is often difficult because the players are defensive linemen in college, and scouts must project how they will perform as a linebacker in the NFL.
Savage said the Browns have spent a considerable amount of time scouting the following 3-4 outside linebackers: Tamba Hali (Penn State), Darryl Tapp (Virginia Tech), Parys Haralson (Tennessee), Manny Lawson (NC State), Kamerion Wimbley (Florida State), Rob Ninkovich (Purdue) and Mike Kudla (Ohio State).
Savage listed the following players as inside linebacker fits in the 3-4: A.J. Hawk (Ohio State), Bobby Carpenter (Ohio State), Chad Greenway (Iowa), Abdul Hodge (Iowa), Ernie Sims (Florida State), Kai Parham (Virginia), Demeco Ryans (Alabama), Roger McIntosh (Miami) and D'Qwell Jackson (Maryland).
These names, and how they potentially fit in the 3-4 defense, are good to file away when considering how the Patriots might approach the linebacker position in the NFL Draft. Linebacker is one of the Patriots' greatest needs.
nerangers
Footballguy
Patriots | Belichick feels some prospects have lack of exposure
Wed, 19 Apr 2006 08:30:20 -0700
Mike Reiss, of the Boston Globe, reports New England Patriots head coach Bill Belichick said Wednesday, April 19, that the one thing that stands out to him about the 2006 NFL Draft is the lack of history on some of the top prospects. Belichick said he feels there are more one-year or half-year starters that are coming out early. "There are more guys who have less production, less history - particularly early with some of the higher-rated players," Belichick said. "They just haven't had the opportunity, for one reason or another, to perform as much or as long as historically what you would see in other drafts relative to those grade levels. But we're all working on the same (players)."
Patriots | Team to conduct pre-draft visit with Bing April 20
Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:49:37 -0700
USC S Darnell Bing will have a pre-draft visit with the New England Patriots Thursday, April 20.
Since I have mentioned him a few times about maybe being a WR...
NFL | McNeal feels like he can play QB
Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:50:16 -0700
Joseph Duarte, of the Houston Chronicle, reports Texas A&M QB Reggie McNeal said he does not regret staying for his senior season and that he feels like he can play quarterback in the NFL. Some NFL teams have discussed moving McNeal to wide receiver. "I would (switch positions) if I had to, but I feel like I'm a quarterback," McNeal said. McNeal would likely have been a hot commodity had he come out following his junior season after setting school single-season records for passing and rushing yards by a quarterback. "I don't think it hurt it, but I was disappointed personally because I didn't want to go out injured and not be able to play the last game and then not going to a bowl game," McNeal said. "I felt like it was best I stayed in."
Wed, 19 Apr 2006 08:30:20 -0700
Mike Reiss, of the Boston Globe, reports New England Patriots head coach Bill Belichick said Wednesday, April 19, that the one thing that stands out to him about the 2006 NFL Draft is the lack of history on some of the top prospects. Belichick said he feels there are more one-year or half-year starters that are coming out early. "There are more guys who have less production, less history - particularly early with some of the higher-rated players," Belichick said. "They just haven't had the opportunity, for one reason or another, to perform as much or as long as historically what you would see in other drafts relative to those grade levels. But we're all working on the same (players)."
Patriots | Team to conduct pre-draft visit with Bing April 20
Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:49:37 -0700
USC S Darnell Bing will have a pre-draft visit with the New England Patriots Thursday, April 20.
Since I have mentioned him a few times about maybe being a WR...
NFL | McNeal feels like he can play QB
Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:50:16 -0700
Joseph Duarte, of the Houston Chronicle, reports Texas A&M QB Reggie McNeal said he does not regret staying for his senior season and that he feels like he can play quarterback in the NFL. Some NFL teams have discussed moving McNeal to wide receiver. "I would (switch positions) if I had to, but I feel like I'm a quarterback," McNeal said. McNeal would likely have been a hot commodity had he come out following his junior season after setting school single-season records for passing and rushing yards by a quarterback. "I don't think it hurt it, but I was disappointed personally because I didn't want to go out injured and not be able to play the last game and then not going to a bowl game," McNeal said. "I felt like it was best I stayed in."
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Footballguy
A lot of this might be repeat info....like the part about drafting to fill roles.
Belichick speaks
Posted by: John Tomase
A few thoughts on Bill Belichick’s pre-draft press conference this morning at Foxboro, his first extended public comments since the season ended with a playoff loss to Denver. “It’s been a while,” Belichick noted. “Bet you missed me.”
1. He certainly appears open to dealing picks. A question about the possibility of the team moving up was barely completed when Belichick launched into an enthusiastic response. The subtext seemed to be, “Pick up the phone, rival GMs. We’ll listen.”
“I think we have quite a bit of flexibility from a draft strategy standpoint,” Belichick said. “We have an extra third and fourth from last year’s trades, and having those extra mid-round picks in a full draft certainly gives you flexibility to move up in rounds. Again, there is only so far you can move in the first round. From 21, you’re not going to be able to get into the Top 10. But you can move up a couple spots. That’s a little bit different from the situation heading into last year’s draft. We all know from our draft history that we’re not afraid to trade ‘em, moving up, moving down, or like we did last year just sit there and take them when our turn comes up.”
2. The loss of Adam Vinatieri stung. Belichick addressed it for the first time.
“In terms of individual negotiations and all that, I think it’s a lot longer story than is worth telling. And it doesn’t make any difference. He’s not here. We’re doing what we do every year, every spring, build our team and try to make it as competitive as we can heading into training camp and the regular season in the fall. That goes for every position and every player, across the board.”
3. Belichick agrees with the widely held perception that this is a deep draft at linebacker, particularly since the Patriots often draft defensive ends and convert them to linebacker (ie. Tedy Bruschi, Tully Banta-Cain).
“If you look at most of the 3-4 teams, most of those outside linebackers are going to be college defensive ends. Those guys are the 240, 250, 260 kind of guys in college, most people aren’t standing them up and putting them in coverage. They’re putting them down and rushing them. Most college teams play a four-man line. There are only a few college teams that play a system similar to ours, Virginia being probably the main one. That’s just the nature of the college game. For us, most of the guys who have played linebacker in college, to play linebacker are really going to have to play inside. And to play outside, most of them that have played outside in our system have been defensive ends.”
4. Just because the Pats need a linebacker and wide receiver doesn’t mean they’ll take either in the first round. Who would have guessed they’d select tight ends in the first round in 2002 and 2004 in Daniel Graham and Ben Watson? Belichick related the tale of his 1980s Giants, who drafted linebacker Carl Banks to much scorn when they had Lawrence Taylor and Brad Van Pelt on the roster. Banks, needless to say, became one of the best defensive players in the league.
“You can’t create players. You have to draft the board based on what your options are. As soon as you start taking players truly based on need, if they can’t fill that need, then you have to come back the next year and draft again for the same spot. You haven’t filled anything other than putting a name on a piece of cardboard and putting it up on a depth chart. You really don’t have anything if the player can’t fulfill that expectation or that role you think you’ve drafted him for. You’re a lot better off drafting players who can fulfill a role, even if it’s at a position that’s not a top need.”
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Belichick speaks
Posted by: John Tomase
A few thoughts on Bill Belichick’s pre-draft press conference this morning at Foxboro, his first extended public comments since the season ended with a playoff loss to Denver. “It’s been a while,” Belichick noted. “Bet you missed me.”
1. He certainly appears open to dealing picks. A question about the possibility of the team moving up was barely completed when Belichick launched into an enthusiastic response. The subtext seemed to be, “Pick up the phone, rival GMs. We’ll listen.”
“I think we have quite a bit of flexibility from a draft strategy standpoint,” Belichick said. “We have an extra third and fourth from last year’s trades, and having those extra mid-round picks in a full draft certainly gives you flexibility to move up in rounds. Again, there is only so far you can move in the first round. From 21, you’re not going to be able to get into the Top 10. But you can move up a couple spots. That’s a little bit different from the situation heading into last year’s draft. We all know from our draft history that we’re not afraid to trade ‘em, moving up, moving down, or like we did last year just sit there and take them when our turn comes up.”
2. The loss of Adam Vinatieri stung. Belichick addressed it for the first time.
“In terms of individual negotiations and all that, I think it’s a lot longer story than is worth telling. And it doesn’t make any difference. He’s not here. We’re doing what we do every year, every spring, build our team and try to make it as competitive as we can heading into training camp and the regular season in the fall. That goes for every position and every player, across the board.”
3. Belichick agrees with the widely held perception that this is a deep draft at linebacker, particularly since the Patriots often draft defensive ends and convert them to linebacker (ie. Tedy Bruschi, Tully Banta-Cain).
“If you look at most of the 3-4 teams, most of those outside linebackers are going to be college defensive ends. Those guys are the 240, 250, 260 kind of guys in college, most people aren’t standing them up and putting them in coverage. They’re putting them down and rushing them. Most college teams play a four-man line. There are only a few college teams that play a system similar to ours, Virginia being probably the main one. That’s just the nature of the college game. For us, most of the guys who have played linebacker in college, to play linebacker are really going to have to play inside. And to play outside, most of them that have played outside in our system have been defensive ends.”
4. Just because the Pats need a linebacker and wide receiver doesn’t mean they’ll take either in the first round. Who would have guessed they’d select tight ends in the first round in 2002 and 2004 in Daniel Graham and Ben Watson? Belichick related the tale of his 1980s Giants, who drafted linebacker Carl Banks to much scorn when they had Lawrence Taylor and Brad Van Pelt on the roster. Banks, needless to say, became one of the best defensive players in the league.
“You can’t create players. You have to draft the board based on what your options are. As soon as you start taking players truly based on need, if they can’t fill that need, then you have to come back the next year and draft again for the same spot. You haven’t filled anything other than putting a name on a piece of cardboard and putting it up on a depth chart. You really don’t have anything if the player can’t fulfill that expectation or that role you think you’ve drafted him for. You’re a lot better off drafting players who can fulfill a role, even if it’s at a position that’s not a top need.”
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Footballguy
I like that last comment Belichek made because it's very truthful. If a guy goes down at a need position, you're more screwed because than you have to find some way of patching that hole for the season, and possibly the future again (ala Packers and Murphy at WR).
That and depth is undervalued IMO. Depth can never hurt a position, only help strengthen it. Just look at the Patriots O-Line to see that.
That and depth is undervalued IMO. Depth can never hurt a position, only help strengthen it. Just look at the Patriots O-Line to see that.
nerangers
Footballguy
Patriots.com Draft Board: Linebackers
Outside Linebackers
1. A.J Hawk, Ohio State – Can do it all and do it well, whether it be blitzing the quarterback or dropping back in coverage. Hawk is the best overall linebacker in this draft and he should be able to come in and help a team right away.
2. Ernie Sims, Florida State – Fast, athletic linebacker who makes plays all over the field. At, 6-0, 228 pounds, he’s probably better suited to play in a 4-3 defense. Is productive at both blitzing the quarterback and covering backs and tight ends down the field.
3. Bobby Carpenter, Ohio State – The best blitzing linebacker in this class. Very quick off the ball and has great closing speed. Should excel as a 3-4 edge rusher in the pros. Can play both inside and outside, so that should enhance his draft stock.
4. DeMeco Ryans, Alabama – Made plays all over the field in college and could end up being the best linebacker to come out of this class. A playmaker and very good tackler. Is one of the fastest linebackers in this draft.
5. Thomas Howard, UTEP – A former safety who is great in coverage but needs to add some size to take on bigger blockers at the pro level. Is a better fit for teams like the Bucs and Colts than he is the Patriots.
6. Chad Greenway, Iowa – Very productive college player but lacks athleticism and isn’t very physical. Good in coverage but gets overpowered a lot by blockers. Scouts either love him or hate him. We agree with the latter.
7. Roger McIntosh, Miami - Speedy sideline-to-sideline kind of linebacker but needs to do a better job of getting off blocks. Plays a little stiff at times and can get pushed around but has upside.
8. Clint Ingram, Oklahoma – An underrated prospect who has good instincts and finishes off his tackles well. Made a lot of big plays for the Sooners. Is a very fluid linebacker who is productive in coverage.
9. Jon Alston, Stanford – A small, athletic player who is always around the ball. May not have the size to play linebacker in the NFL but has the speed to move to strong safety. Similar to Thomas Davis last year.
10. Terna Nande, Miami (OH) – Was one of the most athletic linebackers at the Combine. Explosive player who is very strong at the point of attack and is a big hitter. Can drop back into coverage but is at his best when he’s attacking the line of scrimmage.
Overrated
Greenway – You can’t discount what he did at Iowa but watching him on tape, Greenway looks like he’s going to be a much better player at the college level than he will be in the NFL. He will need to go to a system that protects him because he isn’t very strong and doesn’t get off blocks well. Greenway does some things okay but nothing exceptional. At best, I think he’ll be a decent pro player but he’s not worthy of being selected in the first round.
Spencer Havner, UCLA – Havner lacks the speed and quickness to be an every-down player at the NFL level. He gets beat in coverage a lot and while he’s a big hitter, he doesn’t wrap up and misses a lot of tackles. Probably nothing more than a backup linebacker and special teams player in the NFL.
Brandon Johnson, Louisville – Johnson is an impressive athlete but he’s a player without a position. He’s tall and lanky but he needs to add about 30 pounds if he expects to play linebacker in the pros. His speed and quickness could make him a situational outside pass rusher in a 3-4 defense.
Underrated
Ingram – I think Ingram is the most underrated outside linebacker in the draft. He has good size at 245 pounds and can play both inside and outside. He doesn’t have great 40 times but he plays fast when he’s on the football field. Ingram is the type of player that may not wow you with his measurables but put a helmet on him and he makes plays all over the field.
Leon Williams, Miami – Williams could end up being one of those middle round gems. He only started six games at Miami but he has a lot of upside. A great athlete, Williams has the size (6-1, 248) to take on blocks as well as the speed to chase down ball carriers. Has the versatility to play both inside and outside linebacker in the NFL. Williams is a little raw but his best days are ahead of him and with the right coaching, he could turn into a productive player.
Possible Patriots
Carpenter – An exceptional edge rusher who can come in and help replace the loss of Willie McGinest as a rookie. Has the versatility to play middle linebacker as well, which would allow the Patriots to move Mike Vrabel back outside if they decide they want to go that route.
Ryans – A little small for the Patriots system but Ryans is reminiscent of the Jets Jonathan Vilma – a player Bill Belichick loved when he came out of Miami a couple of years ago. Ryans’ style of play and athleticism is very similar to Vilma.
Greenway – We don’t particularly like Greenway but that doesn’t mean Belichick and Scott Pioli share the same opinion. However, if Greenway does succeed in the NFL, I think it will be in a 4-3 defense, not a 3-4 where he has to fight through a lot of blockers.
Ingram – While not highly regarded, Ingram’s ability to drop back in coverage and stuff the run could make him a good fit for the Patriots defense. A smart player, Ingram has a knack for always being around the football.
Inside Linebackers
1. Oliver Hoyte, North Carolina State – No one else has Hoyte rated this high but we absolutely love him. He’s a physical linebacker who plays with a mean streak. When Hoyte hits someone, they go backwards. A very underrated prospect who made a ton of plays during his college career.
2. Gerris Wilkinson, Georgia Tech – Probably the most athletic middle linebacker in this draft. A playmaker who is always around the football, Wilkinson has the speed and quickness to be a very good player at the next level.
3. Abdul Hodge, Iowa – A steady college player who is very physical. Doesn’t have great speed but makes a lot of tackles. Excels against the run but struggles at times in coverage.
4. D’Qwell Jackson, Maryland – Very athletic player but likes to avoid contact instead of tacking on blocks. Needs to be in the right system where the defensive linemen tie up blockers and let him roam free.
5. Dale Robinson, Arizona State – Vicious hitter who punishes ball carriers when he tackles them. Needs a little seasoning but has the attitude and intangibles to be a productive NFL middle linebacker.
6. Kai Parham, Virginia – Was productive at Virginia but lacks speed and shows a tendency to get caught up in traffic. Isn’t nearly as physical as he should be for his size.
7. Freddie Roach, Alabama – Would be rated higher if it weren’t for injury concerns. Roach is a classic middle linebacker who racks up a lot of tackles when he’s healthy.
8. Tim Dobbins, Iowa State – A big, athletic linebacker who gets off blocks quickly and makes a lot of tackles. Sometimes uses poor technique but he’s a smart player who has the size to play in a 3-4 defense.
9. Anthony Schlegel, Ohio State – A pure run-stuffer in the Ted Johnson mold. Plays much faster than his 40-time and could be a steal if he’s selected on the second day of the draft.
10. Kevin Simon, Tennessee – One of those middle/outside linebacker tweeners. It depends on what team he goes to and where they want him to play. An excellent athlete with good speed, Simon would project much higher if it weren’t for knee and ankle injuries that plagued him at Tennessee.
Overrated
Jackson – A good player who could excel in the right scheme but the Patriots 3-4 defense isn’t that scheme. He runs around too many blocks and doesn’t have the size the Patriots look for in their middle linebackers. Will probably end up being a good pro player but I think there are better middle linebacker prospects in this draft.
Parham – I was really looking forward to evaluating Parham because I think he could wind up in New England but he really disappointed me. For as big as he is, he doesn’t get off blocks well. On tape, he sometimes disappears because he’s so far out of plays. I don’t really care about an inside linebacker’s 40 time, so his poor performance at the Combine doesn’t concern me that much. I’m more concerned with Parham not being as physical as I expected him to be.
Tim McGarigle, Northwestern - Was very productive at Northwestern but his lack of physical skills limits what he can do in the NFL. McGarigle is smart and always plays hard but I think he's already as good as he's going to get. In other words, he has very little upside. Will be a solid backup and special teams player but lacks the physical ability to be a quality starter in the NFL.
Underrated
Hoyte – Like I said, the best middle linebacker prospect in this draft according to PFW. Hoyte is the most physical player at his position and was extremely productive in college. This guy is so good, I keep thinking I’m missing something on him but so far, I can’t figure out what that may be.
Schlegel – The former Buckeye was overshadowed by his more publicized teammates in college but he’s a very good player in his own right. He won’t chase runners down from 50 yards away but he has a good burst in the 10-20 yard range. That’s really the most important thing for linebackers playing in the 3-4 system. Schlegel gets overlooked but he was very productive for a great Ohio State defense.
Possible Patriots
Hoyte – Played all over the place for North Carolina State because of his versatility but his physical style of play, instincts and toughness project him inside at the pro level. He has all the traits and intangibles the Patriots like and defensive coordinator Dean Pees is already impressed with his knowledge of the game. Could be another middle-round steal for Belichick and Pioli.
Hodge – I think Hodge is a little overrated but he’s a much better pro prospect than Greenway in my opinion. I don’t think he’s worthy of a first round selection but if the big hitting Hodge is still on the board when the Patriots pick in Round 2, they’ll most likely give him some consideration.
Robinson – Anyone who plays with the mean streak and toughness that Robinson plays with is always a possibility to end up in New England. His size may be a concern but his attitude and love for contact certainly aren’t.
Parham – At his pre-draft press conference, Belichick said Virginia is the college team whose defense most resembles the Patriots because of Al Groh. Parham played middle linebacker for the Cavaliers so if he’s a player Belichick likes, there’s a good chance he’ll become a Patriot on draft day.
Schlegel – He won’t wow you with his speed or athleticism but is a highly intelligent and productive player. Schlegel looks like a Ted Johnson clone when you watch him on tape and he could flourish as a run-stuffing middle linebacker in the Patriots system.
Outside Linebackers
1. A.J Hawk, Ohio State – Can do it all and do it well, whether it be blitzing the quarterback or dropping back in coverage. Hawk is the best overall linebacker in this draft and he should be able to come in and help a team right away.
2. Ernie Sims, Florida State – Fast, athletic linebacker who makes plays all over the field. At, 6-0, 228 pounds, he’s probably better suited to play in a 4-3 defense. Is productive at both blitzing the quarterback and covering backs and tight ends down the field.
3. Bobby Carpenter, Ohio State – The best blitzing linebacker in this class. Very quick off the ball and has great closing speed. Should excel as a 3-4 edge rusher in the pros. Can play both inside and outside, so that should enhance his draft stock.
4. DeMeco Ryans, Alabama – Made plays all over the field in college and could end up being the best linebacker to come out of this class. A playmaker and very good tackler. Is one of the fastest linebackers in this draft.
5. Thomas Howard, UTEP – A former safety who is great in coverage but needs to add some size to take on bigger blockers at the pro level. Is a better fit for teams like the Bucs and Colts than he is the Patriots.
6. Chad Greenway, Iowa – Very productive college player but lacks athleticism and isn’t very physical. Good in coverage but gets overpowered a lot by blockers. Scouts either love him or hate him. We agree with the latter.
7. Roger McIntosh, Miami - Speedy sideline-to-sideline kind of linebacker but needs to do a better job of getting off blocks. Plays a little stiff at times and can get pushed around but has upside.
8. Clint Ingram, Oklahoma – An underrated prospect who has good instincts and finishes off his tackles well. Made a lot of big plays for the Sooners. Is a very fluid linebacker who is productive in coverage.
9. Jon Alston, Stanford – A small, athletic player who is always around the ball. May not have the size to play linebacker in the NFL but has the speed to move to strong safety. Similar to Thomas Davis last year.
10. Terna Nande, Miami (OH) – Was one of the most athletic linebackers at the Combine. Explosive player who is very strong at the point of attack and is a big hitter. Can drop back into coverage but is at his best when he’s attacking the line of scrimmage.
Overrated
Greenway – You can’t discount what he did at Iowa but watching him on tape, Greenway looks like he’s going to be a much better player at the college level than he will be in the NFL. He will need to go to a system that protects him because he isn’t very strong and doesn’t get off blocks well. Greenway does some things okay but nothing exceptional. At best, I think he’ll be a decent pro player but he’s not worthy of being selected in the first round.
Spencer Havner, UCLA – Havner lacks the speed and quickness to be an every-down player at the NFL level. He gets beat in coverage a lot and while he’s a big hitter, he doesn’t wrap up and misses a lot of tackles. Probably nothing more than a backup linebacker and special teams player in the NFL.
Brandon Johnson, Louisville – Johnson is an impressive athlete but he’s a player without a position. He’s tall and lanky but he needs to add about 30 pounds if he expects to play linebacker in the pros. His speed and quickness could make him a situational outside pass rusher in a 3-4 defense.
Underrated
Ingram – I think Ingram is the most underrated outside linebacker in the draft. He has good size at 245 pounds and can play both inside and outside. He doesn’t have great 40 times but he plays fast when he’s on the football field. Ingram is the type of player that may not wow you with his measurables but put a helmet on him and he makes plays all over the field.
Leon Williams, Miami – Williams could end up being one of those middle round gems. He only started six games at Miami but he has a lot of upside. A great athlete, Williams has the size (6-1, 248) to take on blocks as well as the speed to chase down ball carriers. Has the versatility to play both inside and outside linebacker in the NFL. Williams is a little raw but his best days are ahead of him and with the right coaching, he could turn into a productive player.
Possible Patriots
Carpenter – An exceptional edge rusher who can come in and help replace the loss of Willie McGinest as a rookie. Has the versatility to play middle linebacker as well, which would allow the Patriots to move Mike Vrabel back outside if they decide they want to go that route.
Ryans – A little small for the Patriots system but Ryans is reminiscent of the Jets Jonathan Vilma – a player Bill Belichick loved when he came out of Miami a couple of years ago. Ryans’ style of play and athleticism is very similar to Vilma.
Greenway – We don’t particularly like Greenway but that doesn’t mean Belichick and Scott Pioli share the same opinion. However, if Greenway does succeed in the NFL, I think it will be in a 4-3 defense, not a 3-4 where he has to fight through a lot of blockers.
Ingram – While not highly regarded, Ingram’s ability to drop back in coverage and stuff the run could make him a good fit for the Patriots defense. A smart player, Ingram has a knack for always being around the football.
Inside Linebackers
1. Oliver Hoyte, North Carolina State – No one else has Hoyte rated this high but we absolutely love him. He’s a physical linebacker who plays with a mean streak. When Hoyte hits someone, they go backwards. A very underrated prospect who made a ton of plays during his college career.
2. Gerris Wilkinson, Georgia Tech – Probably the most athletic middle linebacker in this draft. A playmaker who is always around the football, Wilkinson has the speed and quickness to be a very good player at the next level.
3. Abdul Hodge, Iowa – A steady college player who is very physical. Doesn’t have great speed but makes a lot of tackles. Excels against the run but struggles at times in coverage.
4. D’Qwell Jackson, Maryland – Very athletic player but likes to avoid contact instead of tacking on blocks. Needs to be in the right system where the defensive linemen tie up blockers and let him roam free.
5. Dale Robinson, Arizona State – Vicious hitter who punishes ball carriers when he tackles them. Needs a little seasoning but has the attitude and intangibles to be a productive NFL middle linebacker.
6. Kai Parham, Virginia – Was productive at Virginia but lacks speed and shows a tendency to get caught up in traffic. Isn’t nearly as physical as he should be for his size.
7. Freddie Roach, Alabama – Would be rated higher if it weren’t for injury concerns. Roach is a classic middle linebacker who racks up a lot of tackles when he’s healthy.
8. Tim Dobbins, Iowa State – A big, athletic linebacker who gets off blocks quickly and makes a lot of tackles. Sometimes uses poor technique but he’s a smart player who has the size to play in a 3-4 defense.
9. Anthony Schlegel, Ohio State – A pure run-stuffer in the Ted Johnson mold. Plays much faster than his 40-time and could be a steal if he’s selected on the second day of the draft.
10. Kevin Simon, Tennessee – One of those middle/outside linebacker tweeners. It depends on what team he goes to and where they want him to play. An excellent athlete with good speed, Simon would project much higher if it weren’t for knee and ankle injuries that plagued him at Tennessee.
Overrated
Jackson – A good player who could excel in the right scheme but the Patriots 3-4 defense isn’t that scheme. He runs around too many blocks and doesn’t have the size the Patriots look for in their middle linebackers. Will probably end up being a good pro player but I think there are better middle linebacker prospects in this draft.
Parham – I was really looking forward to evaluating Parham because I think he could wind up in New England but he really disappointed me. For as big as he is, he doesn’t get off blocks well. On tape, he sometimes disappears because he’s so far out of plays. I don’t really care about an inside linebacker’s 40 time, so his poor performance at the Combine doesn’t concern me that much. I’m more concerned with Parham not being as physical as I expected him to be.
Tim McGarigle, Northwestern - Was very productive at Northwestern but his lack of physical skills limits what he can do in the NFL. McGarigle is smart and always plays hard but I think he's already as good as he's going to get. In other words, he has very little upside. Will be a solid backup and special teams player but lacks the physical ability to be a quality starter in the NFL.
Underrated
Hoyte – Like I said, the best middle linebacker prospect in this draft according to PFW. Hoyte is the most physical player at his position and was extremely productive in college. This guy is so good, I keep thinking I’m missing something on him but so far, I can’t figure out what that may be.
Schlegel – The former Buckeye was overshadowed by his more publicized teammates in college but he’s a very good player in his own right. He won’t chase runners down from 50 yards away but he has a good burst in the 10-20 yard range. That’s really the most important thing for linebackers playing in the 3-4 system. Schlegel gets overlooked but he was very productive for a great Ohio State defense.
Possible Patriots
Hoyte – Played all over the place for North Carolina State because of his versatility but his physical style of play, instincts and toughness project him inside at the pro level. He has all the traits and intangibles the Patriots like and defensive coordinator Dean Pees is already impressed with his knowledge of the game. Could be another middle-round steal for Belichick and Pioli.
Hodge – I think Hodge is a little overrated but he’s a much better pro prospect than Greenway in my opinion. I don’t think he’s worthy of a first round selection but if the big hitting Hodge is still on the board when the Patriots pick in Round 2, they’ll most likely give him some consideration.
Robinson – Anyone who plays with the mean streak and toughness that Robinson plays with is always a possibility to end up in New England. His size may be a concern but his attitude and love for contact certainly aren’t.
Parham – At his pre-draft press conference, Belichick said Virginia is the college team whose defense most resembles the Patriots because of Al Groh. Parham played middle linebacker for the Cavaliers so if he’s a player Belichick likes, there’s a good chance he’ll become a Patriot on draft day.
Schlegel – He won’t wow you with his speed or athleticism but is a highly intelligent and productive player. Schlegel looks like a Ted Johnson clone when you watch him on tape and he could flourish as a run-stuffing middle linebacker in the Patriots system.
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Bobby Carpenter, Ohio State – In my opinion, Carpenter is the best fit for the Patriots of any player in this draft. If New England is looking for a guy to come in and replace what Willie McGinest did for them on the field right away, Carpenter has a good chance of being the Patriots first round draft choice.
Carpenter has tremendous closing speed when chasing down a quarterback or running back. In the 10-20 yard range, Carpenter is one of the fastest players in this draft at any position. If anyone doubts Carpenter’s speed, watch his performance against Texas this year. He ran down Vince Young from behind on more than one occasion and was all over the field making plays. Carpenter is one of those players where his football speed is much faster than any 40 times he runs.
I believe Carpenter is the best blitzing linebacker in this draft and that’s why he can come in right away and help the Patriots. He said at the Combine that he patterns his game after Mike Vrabel and I think the two are very comparable. His speed off the edge is unmatched and he can also drop back and be effective in coverage.
If there’s one knock on Carpenter it’s that he doesn’t do a great job of shedding blocks. When he rushes the quarterback, he doesn’t have a problem but when a bigger player engages him in the open field, Carpenter sometimes gets tied up too long.
Carpenter isn’t quite the overall talent that his college teammate A.J. Hawk is but he isn’t far behind. When it comes to speed, rushing the passer and attitude, the former Buckeye has everything the Patriots look for in a player. Actually, the first line in Mel Kiper Jr.'s Draft Guide about Carpenter is, “A New England Patriots-style linebacker.”
Some think he comes off as cocky but those people obviously never met Vrabel. I’ll take a player who is extremely confident in his abilities any day. Both Vrabel and Carpenter have that confidence about them and I don’t see anything wrong with that.
There will be a lot of good players on the board when the Patriots select but if they decide to go with Carpenter, New England fans should be ecstatic. Not only can he come in and help the Patriots as a rookie but playing under Bill Belichick, Carpenter has the upside to be a future Pro Bowler in this defense.
Oliver Hoyte, North Carolina State – There really isn’t a middle linebacker in this draft who warrants being selected in round one. So Andy Hart and myself looked at some guys we thought would fit the Patriots system and would be available in the middle rounds. What we discovered is a player who could end up being an absolute steal in this year’s draft.
When we watched Hoyte on tape, we were shocked. I thought I was looking at a first round draft pick. This guy made play after play and not only when we were watching him, but also when we watched other North Carolina State players like Mario Williams and Manny Lawson. Every time we watched tape of a Wolfpack player, Hoyte stood out.
At 250 pounds, Hoyte has the size the Patriots like in their linebackers and he hits like a ton of bricks. He’s not only a big hitter, however, he’s a great tackler. A lot of players can hit (Darnell Bing) but they don’t wrap up and tackle. When Hoyte tackles someone he pops them, wraps up and drives the player back. He’s the best tackler I saw at the linebacker position and that includes Hawk. Hoyte is a very physical player with a mean streak to him. He’s kind of like Rodney Harrison playing linebacker.
Hoyte showed over and over again on tape that he has the ability to shed blocks and make plays. He makes a lot of tackles in the backfield and seems to always be around the ball. Like I said, if you watched the footage of Hoyte that we saw and didn’t know where he was supposed to be drafted, you would think he was projected to go in the first or second round.
The negatives with Hoyte are said to be his speed and the fact that he benefited from playing with a great supporting cast in college but I would debate both arguments. Hoyte proved to me that he’s a football player and a leader on the field.
He may not have blazing speed but he has football smarts that allows him to be in a spot before the play gets there. I think timed speed is overrated when it comes to middle linebackers because they usually play in a short area. Ted Johnson and Tedy Bruschi never had blazing speed but they worked out okay.
As far as playing with a great supporting cast, can’t you say the same thing about Manny Lawson? What about John McCargo? These are first and second round prospects but maybe they excelled in college because they played on the same line as Mario Williams. I think downgrading a guy because he played on a good defense is idiotic. He made a lot of plays on that defense so Hoyte must have had something to do with its success.
Besides, if Hoyte comes to New England, he’ll have a pretty good supporting cast around him here as well. I just think it’s a shallow argument. USC had a great offensive line and another productive back on their team but it’s not hurting Reggie Bush’s draft stock at all. I’m not going to penalize Hoyte because he played on a good college defense with other great players.
There was a report earlier this week that new Patriots defensive coordinator Dean Pees was very impressed with Hoyte when he met with him and that doesn’t surprise me at all. This guy is one of the most underrated prospects in the draft and in my opinion, the best player at his position. His leadership, intelligence on the field, physical style of play and mean streak all make him a great candidate to become a Patriot on draft day.
Gerris Wilkinson, Georgia Tech – Another underrated prospect at middle linebacker is Wilkinson. He’s a very athletic player who is always around the football making plays. Much like Hoyte, I like Wilkinson much better than some of the players rated ahead of him going into the draft.
Wilkinson is the biggest playmaker at the middle linebacker position. Definitely the most physically gifted player at his position in this draft. Wilkinson runs down plays all over the field. He has the speed to both chase down ball carriers and get to the quarterback. Wilkinson is a very good blitzer from both the inside and outside. He also makes a lot of plays when he drops back in coverage. On tape, Wilkinson batted away a number of passes and showed the ability to stay with backs and tight ends down the field.
Wilkinson is another one of those players who looks to be a much better prospect than he’s being given credit for and that’s important this year when breaking down middle linebackers. There’s no real clear cut stud at the position, so that means guys who aren’t getting a lot of pre-draft hype could end up being better pros than the players being drafted ahead of them.
Wilkinson needs some work getting off blocks but once he’s free, he can cause havoc all over the field. His stock has been on the rise recently so he’ll probably come off the board somewhere in the third round area. With his upside and playmaking ability, Wilkinson would be an attractive option for the Patriots if they can get him in the middle rounds of the draft.
Dale Robinson, Arizona State – Robinson is the last of the middle linebackers I really liked when breaking down all the players on tape. The best way to describe Robinson is he’s a bad dude with one heck of a mean streak.
Watching Robinson, he not only tackles people, he punishes them. Sometimes he tackles a little high but he’s a vicious hitter and the kind of physical player who would fit in well as a 3-4 middle linebacker.
Robinson makes plays all over the field and really excels against the run. He makes a lot of tackles in the backfield. Robinson needs some work in coverage but he wasn’t asked to do that much in college, so it may be an area he’ll improve in at the next level.
Another positive with Robinson is he played both inside and outside linebacker at Arizona State. While he has the speed to play outside, his bruising style of play probably makes him a better fit inside in the NFL. Robinson takes on blocks well and even when he doesn’t make the play - he’s so physical at the point of attack - it ties up blockers and allows someone else to make the tackle.
When I watch Robinson I see a player with a nasty streak who has fun dishing out punishment on the football field. While some other middle linebackers - D’Qwell Jackson for instance - like to run around blocks and avoid contact, Robinson loves to take people on at the point of attack.
There’s no question that Robinson is talented but the one thing that could hurt him in regards to becoming a Patriot is his size. At 238 pounds, he’s a little smaller than Belichick likes his middle linebackers to be. In Robinson’s defense, however, he does play bigger than his size because he’s so physical.
I think Hoyte and Wilkinson are better all-around players but Robinson is an intense linebacker who should be around in the middle rounds of the draft. He’s the kind of player who can be an asset to New England on special teams for a couple of years and possibly take over the starting role once Bruschi retires. A very intriguing prospect with a lot of the intangibles the Patriots look for in a player.
DeMeco Ryans, Alabama – I really like Ryans as a player, I’m just not sure he’s the best fit for the Patriots scheme. The extremely fast outside linebacker may be more productive in a 4-3 defense, where he can use his speed without having to take on as many blockers.
It’s no secret the Patriots like their middle linebackers to be bigger guys because in their scheme linebackers have to take on a lot of offensive linemen. Smaller inside linebackers can sometimes get pushed around in a 3-4 defense. While Ryans only weighs 235 pounds, you wouldn’t know it watching him on tape.
Talk about a guy that’s all over the place. Ryans lives in the backfield – as his 18.5 tackles for losses the last two years will attest. While he does a decent job of fighting off blocks, Ryans is at his best when he’s chasing people down in space.
Ryans is a big hitter who actually plays a lot bigger than his listed 6-1, 235 pound frame would suggest. Remember, Belichick did like Jonathan Vilma – a smaller, quicker linebacker – when he came out of Miami a couple of years ago. Ryans reminds me a lot of Vilma with the way he makes plays all over the field and how hard he hits for his size.
Like I said, Ryans may be better suited to play in a 4-3 defense but some guys can produce in any scheme. I have a feeling Ryans is one of those guys. He’s the kind of player who always makes an impact on the football field, regardless of where he lines up.
If the Patriots do decide to take one of the smaller linebackers in this draft, I think it will be Ryans. I love everything about him and see no reason why Ryans can’t become a Pro Bowl linebacker in the future. A very impressive prospect who will be a steal if he’s still available after the first 20 picks.
Bobby Carpenter, Ohio State – In my opinion, Carpenter is the best fit for the Patriots of any player in this draft. If New England is looking for a guy to come in and replace what Willie McGinest did for them on the field right away, Carpenter has a good chance of being the Patriots first round draft choice.
Carpenter has tremendous closing speed when chasing down a quarterback or running back. In the 10-20 yard range, Carpenter is one of the fastest players in this draft at any position. If anyone doubts Carpenter’s speed, watch his performance against Texas this year. He ran down Vince Young from behind on more than one occasion and was all over the field making plays. Carpenter is one of those players where his football speed is much faster than any 40 times he runs.
I believe Carpenter is the best blitzing linebacker in this draft and that’s why he can come in right away and help the Patriots. He said at the Combine that he patterns his game after Mike Vrabel and I think the two are very comparable. His speed off the edge is unmatched and he can also drop back and be effective in coverage.
If there’s one knock on Carpenter it’s that he doesn’t do a great job of shedding blocks. When he rushes the quarterback, he doesn’t have a problem but when a bigger player engages him in the open field, Carpenter sometimes gets tied up too long.
Carpenter isn’t quite the overall talent that his college teammate A.J. Hawk is but he isn’t far behind. When it comes to speed, rushing the passer and attitude, the former Buckeye has everything the Patriots look for in a player. Actually, the first line in Mel Kiper Jr.'s Draft Guide about Carpenter is, “A New England Patriots-style linebacker.”
Some think he comes off as cocky but those people obviously never met Vrabel. I’ll take a player who is extremely confident in his abilities any day. Both Vrabel and Carpenter have that confidence about them and I don’t see anything wrong with that.
There will be a lot of good players on the board when the Patriots select but if they decide to go with Carpenter, New England fans should be ecstatic. Not only can he come in and help the Patriots as a rookie but playing under Bill Belichick, Carpenter has the upside to be a future Pro Bowler in this defense.
Oliver Hoyte, North Carolina State – There really isn’t a middle linebacker in this draft who warrants being selected in round one. So Andy Hart and myself looked at some guys we thought would fit the Patriots system and would be available in the middle rounds. What we discovered is a player who could end up being an absolute steal in this year’s draft.
When we watched Hoyte on tape, we were shocked. I thought I was looking at a first round draft pick. This guy made play after play and not only when we were watching him, but also when we watched other North Carolina State players like Mario Williams and Manny Lawson. Every time we watched tape of a Wolfpack player, Hoyte stood out.
At 250 pounds, Hoyte has the size the Patriots like in their linebackers and he hits like a ton of bricks. He’s not only a big hitter, however, he’s a great tackler. A lot of players can hit (Darnell Bing) but they don’t wrap up and tackle. When Hoyte tackles someone he pops them, wraps up and drives the player back. He’s the best tackler I saw at the linebacker position and that includes Hawk. Hoyte is a very physical player with a mean streak to him. He’s kind of like Rodney Harrison playing linebacker.
Hoyte showed over and over again on tape that he has the ability to shed blocks and make plays. He makes a lot of tackles in the backfield and seems to always be around the ball. Like I said, if you watched the footage of Hoyte that we saw and didn’t know where he was supposed to be drafted, you would think he was projected to go in the first or second round.
The negatives with Hoyte are said to be his speed and the fact that he benefited from playing with a great supporting cast in college but I would debate both arguments. Hoyte proved to me that he’s a football player and a leader on the field.
He may not have blazing speed but he has football smarts that allows him to be in a spot before the play gets there. I think timed speed is overrated when it comes to middle linebackers because they usually play in a short area. Ted Johnson and Tedy Bruschi never had blazing speed but they worked out okay.
As far as playing with a great supporting cast, can’t you say the same thing about Manny Lawson? What about John McCargo? These are first and second round prospects but maybe they excelled in college because they played on the same line as Mario Williams. I think downgrading a guy because he played on a good defense is idiotic. He made a lot of plays on that defense so Hoyte must have had something to do with its success.
Besides, if Hoyte comes to New England, he’ll have a pretty good supporting cast around him here as well. I just think it’s a shallow argument. USC had a great offensive line and another productive back on their team but it’s not hurting Reggie Bush’s draft stock at all. I’m not going to penalize Hoyte because he played on a good college defense with other great players.
There was a report earlier this week that new Patriots defensive coordinator Dean Pees was very impressed with Hoyte when he met with him and that doesn’t surprise me at all. This guy is one of the most underrated prospects in the draft and in my opinion, the best player at his position. His leadership, intelligence on the field, physical style of play and mean streak all make him a great candidate to become a Patriot on draft day.
Gerris Wilkinson, Georgia Tech – Another underrated prospect at middle linebacker is Wilkinson. He’s a very athletic player who is always around the football making plays. Much like Hoyte, I like Wilkinson much better than some of the players rated ahead of him going into the draft.
Wilkinson is the biggest playmaker at the middle linebacker position. Definitely the most physically gifted player at his position in this draft. Wilkinson runs down plays all over the field. He has the speed to both chase down ball carriers and get to the quarterback. Wilkinson is a very good blitzer from both the inside and outside. He also makes a lot of plays when he drops back in coverage. On tape, Wilkinson batted away a number of passes and showed the ability to stay with backs and tight ends down the field.
Wilkinson is another one of those players who looks to be a much better prospect than he’s being given credit for and that’s important this year when breaking down middle linebackers. There’s no real clear cut stud at the position, so that means guys who aren’t getting a lot of pre-draft hype could end up being better pros than the players being drafted ahead of them.
Wilkinson needs some work getting off blocks but once he’s free, he can cause havoc all over the field. His stock has been on the rise recently so he’ll probably come off the board somewhere in the third round area. With his upside and playmaking ability, Wilkinson would be an attractive option for the Patriots if they can get him in the middle rounds of the draft.
Dale Robinson, Arizona State – Robinson is the last of the middle linebackers I really liked when breaking down all the players on tape. The best way to describe Robinson is he’s a bad dude with one heck of a mean streak.
Watching Robinson, he not only tackles people, he punishes them. Sometimes he tackles a little high but he’s a vicious hitter and the kind of physical player who would fit in well as a 3-4 middle linebacker.
Robinson makes plays all over the field and really excels against the run. He makes a lot of tackles in the backfield. Robinson needs some work in coverage but he wasn’t asked to do that much in college, so it may be an area he’ll improve in at the next level.
Another positive with Robinson is he played both inside and outside linebacker at Arizona State. While he has the speed to play outside, his bruising style of play probably makes him a better fit inside in the NFL. Robinson takes on blocks well and even when he doesn’t make the play - he’s so physical at the point of attack - it ties up blockers and allows someone else to make the tackle.
When I watch Robinson I see a player with a nasty streak who has fun dishing out punishment on the football field. While some other middle linebackers - D’Qwell Jackson for instance - like to run around blocks and avoid contact, Robinson loves to take people on at the point of attack.
There’s no question that Robinson is talented but the one thing that could hurt him in regards to becoming a Patriot is his size. At 238 pounds, he’s a little smaller than Belichick likes his middle linebackers to be. In Robinson’s defense, however, he does play bigger than his size because he’s so physical.
I think Hoyte and Wilkinson are better all-around players but Robinson is an intense linebacker who should be around in the middle rounds of the draft. He’s the kind of player who can be an asset to New England on special teams for a couple of years and possibly take over the starting role once Bruschi retires. A very intriguing prospect with a lot of the intangibles the Patriots look for in a player.
DeMeco Ryans, Alabama – I really like Ryans as a player, I’m just not sure he’s the best fit for the Patriots scheme. The extremely fast outside linebacker may be more productive in a 4-3 defense, where he can use his speed without having to take on as many blockers.
It’s no secret the Patriots like their middle linebackers to be bigger guys because in their scheme linebackers have to take on a lot of offensive linemen. Smaller inside linebackers can sometimes get pushed around in a 3-4 defense. While Ryans only weighs 235 pounds, you wouldn’t know it watching him on tape.
Talk about a guy that’s all over the place. Ryans lives in the backfield – as his 18.5 tackles for losses the last two years will attest. While he does a decent job of fighting off blocks, Ryans is at his best when he’s chasing people down in space.
Ryans is a big hitter who actually plays a lot bigger than his listed 6-1, 235 pound frame would suggest. Remember, Belichick did like Jonathan Vilma – a smaller, quicker linebacker – when he came out of Miami a couple of years ago. Ryans reminds me a lot of Vilma with the way he makes plays all over the field and how hard he hits for his size.
Like I said, Ryans may be better suited to play in a 4-3 defense but some guys can produce in any scheme. I have a feeling Ryans is one of those guys. He’s the kind of player who always makes an impact on the football field, regardless of where he lines up.
If the Patriots do decide to take one of the smaller linebackers in this draft, I think it will be Ryans. I love everything about him and see no reason why Ryans can’t become a Pro Bowl linebacker in the future. A very impressive prospect who will be a steal if he’s still available after the first 20 picks.
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Patriots | Team worked out N. Turnbull
Thu, 20 Apr 2006 19:58:56 -0700
The Miami Herald reports Florida International S Nick Turnbull has worked out for the New England Patriots.
Patriots | Team had private workout with A. Hodge
Thu, 20 Apr 2006 19:00:48 -0700
Albert Breer, of the MetroWest Daily News, reports the New England Patriots sent defensive coordinator Dean Pees and regional scout Bob Quinn for a private workout with Iowa LB Abdul Hodge on the team's Iowa City campus Monday, March 20.
Patriots | Team had private workout with J. Allen
Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:54:02 -0700
Albert Breer, of the MetroWest Daily News, reports New England Patriots director of pro personnel Nick Cesario held a private workout Monday, March 20, with Tennessee DB Jason Allen on the team's Knoxville campus.
Thu, 20 Apr 2006 19:58:56 -0700
The Miami Herald reports Florida International S Nick Turnbull has worked out for the New England Patriots.
Patriots | Team had private workout with A. Hodge
Thu, 20 Apr 2006 19:00:48 -0700
Albert Breer, of the MetroWest Daily News, reports the New England Patriots sent defensive coordinator Dean Pees and regional scout Bob Quinn for a private workout with Iowa LB Abdul Hodge on the team's Iowa City campus Monday, March 20.
Patriots | Team had private workout with J. Allen
Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:54:02 -0700
Albert Breer, of the MetroWest Daily News, reports New England Patriots director of pro personnel Nick Cesario held a private workout Monday, March 20, with Tennessee DB Jason Allen on the team's Knoxville campus.
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Best draft value at DB (from boston.com)
By Mike Reiss, Globe Staff | April 19, 2006
FOXBOROUGH -- If the NFL Draft were held today, and someone asked whom the Patriots would select with their first-round pick at No. 21, my list would be narrowed to these three names:
-- Tye Hill, a cornerback from Clemson
-- Donte Whitner, a safety/cornerback from Ohio State
-- Richard Marshall, a cornerback from Fresno State
In other words, I think the team is going for a defensive back. And I believe Hill -- diminutive at 5-foot-9, 185 pounds but ultra-athletic and not afraid to get physical -- is the prize the Patriots covet. Whitner would also fit at No. 21, while Marshall might be a bit of a stretch (one team has a second-round grade on him).
I was hoping you could provide some insight into why Bill Belichick and Scott Pioli don't fill all the glaring needs of the team before the draft begins? The last few years it seems as if they purposefully enter the draft with unmet needs when they don't have to do so. Why?
Dan Meyer, Hartford, Conn.
A: Primarily, my feeling is that the Patriots don't feel the free agents available are that much better than the rookies they can draft. Cost is also an issue. Cornerback Jamar Fletcher, for example, had some discussions with the Patriots. But the sides couldn't meet on an asking price. Furthermore, some of the veterans like to wait to see what a team drafts before signing. Also, the Patriots have 11 draft choices and want to infuse the roster with some youth and athleticism. I think all those factors pool together as to why the Patriots haven't filled all "needs" entering the draft.
I keep hearing "would-be" draft experts saying that the Patriots need to draft a corner in the first round. I disagree completely. I think that our corners are totally underrated. While I think that it always helps to have more talent at corner, I see us as having huge holes at running back, receiver, and linebacker. Receiver isn't very deep this year, but there are some true franchise running backs available in the first round and taking one would thin the pool for Indianapolis at the bottom of round 1. Do you think the Patriots are thinking about a running back? What do you think of DeAngelo Williams and Laurence Maroney?
Matthew DiAntonio, Weymouth
A: Looks like we're on different wavelengths here, Matthew, although it's hard to argue with your viewpoint. I wouldn't be surprised if the Patriots took a running back in the first round (most likely Maroney; I've cooled on Williams), but my feeling is that the best value comes at defensive back. The team has a lot of d-backs on the roster, but with Asante Samuel's contract up after 2006 and my feeling that the cornerback/safety depth isn't as strong as it might appear, I've convinced myself the team is going in that direction in the first round. That's why I think cornerback Tye Hill would be a great addition for the Patriots
Do you see the Patriots leveraging picks and/or maybe a current player (Bethel Johnson for example) to either trade for a player of need or move up in the draft? Typically in regards the draft we've moved up and down, depending on need and assessed player value. How do you see things shaking out?
Gregg Stephens, Manchester, NH
A: I think the Patriots will find the greatest value at defensive back in the first round and linebacker/receiver/running back in the second and third rounds. I could see the Patriots trading either draft picks, or a player like Bethel Johnson, to move around the board.
I have looked at over many mock drafts and most people are all over the board about who the Pats will draft. If they don't sign anyone else before the draft, realistically who might they go after in the first two rounds? Also they still have a great deal of salary cap space. I would think that they will use some of it to lock up Deion Branch (hopefully) and their draft choices, but there will still be a lot left. What is their plan? It will be a major disappointment if they go into next year $10 million under cap especially with the losses of Vinatieri and Givens.
Jim Curley, Seminole, Fla.
A: The reason so many people have the Patriots selecting different players in mock drafts is because the Patriots are one of the most difficult teams to predict their plans. As for some names of players as early targets, I'll lock in on defensive back, receiver and linebacker. I think one of the three defensive backs mentioned above (Tye Hill, Donte Whitner, Richard Marshall), receivers Chad Jackson (Florida), Maurice Stovall (Notre Dame), and Jason Avant (Michigan); and linebackers Bobby Carpenter (Ohio State), Parys Haralson (Tennessee), and Abdul Hodge (Iowa) could be first-day targets. As for the cap, my understanding is that the Patriots can use the $6.6 million portion of Richard Seymour's option bonus due after Aug. 3 and turn it into a roster bonus that would put all that money on the 2006 salary cap. So there are a lot of ways the team can use cap space and I wouldn't expect the team to be $10 million under the cap entering the season. They'll use the space, whether it's for Deion Branch or other free-agents-to-be like Dan Koppen (center), Asante Samuel (cornerback) or Daniel Graham (tight end).
Note: There are a few more questions at the link...I only posted a few here.
By Mike Reiss, Globe Staff | April 19, 2006
FOXBOROUGH -- If the NFL Draft were held today, and someone asked whom the Patriots would select with their first-round pick at No. 21, my list would be narrowed to these three names:
-- Tye Hill, a cornerback from Clemson
-- Donte Whitner, a safety/cornerback from Ohio State
-- Richard Marshall, a cornerback from Fresno State
In other words, I think the team is going for a defensive back. And I believe Hill -- diminutive at 5-foot-9, 185 pounds but ultra-athletic and not afraid to get physical -- is the prize the Patriots covet. Whitner would also fit at No. 21, while Marshall might be a bit of a stretch (one team has a second-round grade on him).
I was hoping you could provide some insight into why Bill Belichick and Scott Pioli don't fill all the glaring needs of the team before the draft begins? The last few years it seems as if they purposefully enter the draft with unmet needs when they don't have to do so. Why?
Dan Meyer, Hartford, Conn.
A: Primarily, my feeling is that the Patriots don't feel the free agents available are that much better than the rookies they can draft. Cost is also an issue. Cornerback Jamar Fletcher, for example, had some discussions with the Patriots. But the sides couldn't meet on an asking price. Furthermore, some of the veterans like to wait to see what a team drafts before signing. Also, the Patriots have 11 draft choices and want to infuse the roster with some youth and athleticism. I think all those factors pool together as to why the Patriots haven't filled all "needs" entering the draft.
I keep hearing "would-be" draft experts saying that the Patriots need to draft a corner in the first round. I disagree completely. I think that our corners are totally underrated. While I think that it always helps to have more talent at corner, I see us as having huge holes at running back, receiver, and linebacker. Receiver isn't very deep this year, but there are some true franchise running backs available in the first round and taking one would thin the pool for Indianapolis at the bottom of round 1. Do you think the Patriots are thinking about a running back? What do you think of DeAngelo Williams and Laurence Maroney?
Matthew DiAntonio, Weymouth
A: Looks like we're on different wavelengths here, Matthew, although it's hard to argue with your viewpoint. I wouldn't be surprised if the Patriots took a running back in the first round (most likely Maroney; I've cooled on Williams), but my feeling is that the best value comes at defensive back. The team has a lot of d-backs on the roster, but with Asante Samuel's contract up after 2006 and my feeling that the cornerback/safety depth isn't as strong as it might appear, I've convinced myself the team is going in that direction in the first round. That's why I think cornerback Tye Hill would be a great addition for the Patriots
Do you see the Patriots leveraging picks and/or maybe a current player (Bethel Johnson for example) to either trade for a player of need or move up in the draft? Typically in regards the draft we've moved up and down, depending on need and assessed player value. How do you see things shaking out?
Gregg Stephens, Manchester, NH
A: I think the Patriots will find the greatest value at defensive back in the first round and linebacker/receiver/running back in the second and third rounds. I could see the Patriots trading either draft picks, or a player like Bethel Johnson, to move around the board.
I have looked at over many mock drafts and most people are all over the board about who the Pats will draft. If they don't sign anyone else before the draft, realistically who might they go after in the first two rounds? Also they still have a great deal of salary cap space. I would think that they will use some of it to lock up Deion Branch (hopefully) and their draft choices, but there will still be a lot left. What is their plan? It will be a major disappointment if they go into next year $10 million under cap especially with the losses of Vinatieri and Givens.
Jim Curley, Seminole, Fla.
A: The reason so many people have the Patriots selecting different players in mock drafts is because the Patriots are one of the most difficult teams to predict their plans. As for some names of players as early targets, I'll lock in on defensive back, receiver and linebacker. I think one of the three defensive backs mentioned above (Tye Hill, Donte Whitner, Richard Marshall), receivers Chad Jackson (Florida), Maurice Stovall (Notre Dame), and Jason Avant (Michigan); and linebackers Bobby Carpenter (Ohio State), Parys Haralson (Tennessee), and Abdul Hodge (Iowa) could be first-day targets. As for the cap, my understanding is that the Patriots can use the $6.6 million portion of Richard Seymour's option bonus due after Aug. 3 and turn it into a roster bonus that would put all that money on the 2006 salary cap. So there are a lot of ways the team can use cap space and I wouldn't expect the team to be $10 million under the cap entering the season. They'll use the space, whether it's for Deion Branch or other free-agents-to-be like Dan Koppen (center), Asante Samuel (cornerback) or Daniel Graham (tight end).
Note: There are a few more questions at the link...I only posted a few here.
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While Hill is a very solid prospect that would eventually give the Pats two starting CBs (Hill and Hobbs) who are on the smallish size. While both are very physical and can cover that is something that has to be a concern as today's NFL WRs seem to be getting bigger and bigger.
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Patriots.com Draft Board: Running Backs Tom Casale, Patriots Football Weekly
With Corey Dillon and Kevin Faulk both getting up there in age, drafting a young running back would make sense for the Patriots. Here is Patriots.com running back rankings for the upcoming draft, including some players who may end up in New England.
1. Reggie Bush, USC – The total package. The scary thing about Bush is: he’s even better when you watch him on tape than when you see him in a game. His toughness is underrated. A lot of his runs are inside and he has no problem putting his head down and running over a defender. Then there’s his elusiveness. Tough to get worn down when you rarely get hit. If the Texans pass on Bush, the franchise and their fans will regret it forever.
2. DeAngelo Williams, Memphis – One of the most prolific backs in college football history. Led the nation in rushing despite playing with a third string quarterback for most of the season. Open-field moves are reminiscent of his idol - Barry Sanders.
3. Laurence Maroney, Minnesota – Patient runner with great vision. Has breakaway speed that provides a lot of big plays. Is bigger and more physical runner than most people give him credit for. Has the skills and game-breaking ability to be a special back in the NFL.
4. LenDale White, USC – If it weren’t for his torn hamstring and questionable work ethic, White would be a top 15 pick for sure. His production on the field can’t be ignored. A big back with quick feet, White is a touchdown-scoring machine. Has great vision in the hole but concerns about him being able to control his weight has some teams backing off.
5. Jerious Norwood, Mississippi State – A complete back that’s very underrated. Posted good numbers in college despite playing on one of the worst passing offenses in the country. Has the toughness to run inside and the speed to provide the big play. Could end up being better than some of the prospects rated ahead of him.
6. Andre Hall, South Florida – The steal of the draft at the running back position. Isn’t huge but looks and plays bigger than his listed weight. Reminded me of Emmitt Smith when I watched him on tape. Played two years at South Florida and recorded 2,731 rushing yards and 27 total touchdowns. A big-time sleeper.
7. Maurice Drew, UCLA – If he were a little bit bigger, he would be a first-round selection. Has all the physical ability in the world but at 5-7 and 205 pounds, he just can’t be an every-down back in the NFL. Will be an asset to a team as a third-down back and explosive return man. Similar to the Chargers Darren Sproles.
8. Joseph Addai, LSU – Does a lot of things but doesn’t do any of them great. Has great straight-line speed but isn’t elusive in the open field. Will be a decent NFL role player but never the feature back that some are projecting. An overrated prospect that only started at LSU because of injuries.
9. Jerome Harrison, Washington State – A very interesting prospect. Isn’t getting a lot of hype but rushed for over 100 yards in his final 13 college games. Has a lot of upside and could end up being a starter in the NFL at some point. Worst case scenario is Harrison becomes a valuable third-down and change-of-pace back like Kevin Faulk is for the Patriots.
10. Brian Calhoun, Wisconsin – Looks to be one of those guys who will end up being a great college player and only average in the pros. Doesn’t like to run inside and bounced a lot of plays to the outside in college. He doesn’t have the speed to get away with that in the NFL.
Overrated
Addai – Like I said, he can do a lot of things; he just doesn’t do any of them great. Addai is like a more talented Patrick Pass. He’s very fast but his speed is minimized because he isn’t very elusive and doesn’t change direction well. He only started as a senior at LSU because Alley Broussard was injured. Addai can catch the ball well out of the backfield and will help a team as a role player but he’s never going to be a great NFL running back.
Calhoun – Calhoun has only carried the load for one season in college and he wore down in his final four games. Wisconsin running backs put up big numbers because when they can run the ball against someone, that’s all they do. Calhoun showed on tape a tendency to start a run inside and then bounce it outside but with the speed of NFL defenders, that kind of running style isn’t going to work unless you’re Barry Sanders. I noticed the same thing about William Green when he came out of college. When runners are hesitant to stick it up inside, they usually struggle in the NFL.
White – I love White as a player but as a person, he raises a lot of red flags. You have to question a guy who gains 15 pounds before the biggest game of his life and then isn’t prepared for his pro day. I don’t put too much stock in the 225-pound bench press but when a 245-pound back can only do one more rep than the USC punter, that’s a problem. A lot of players come out of college with talent but it’s the ones who work hard that make the biggest impact in the NFL. If White decides he wants to be great and works hard, he will be another Corey Dillon. If he doesn’t, he’ll be another Curtis Enis. It’s that simple.
Underrated
Norwood – After the big four, I think Norwood is the most complete back in the draft. He carried the entire Mississippi State offense on his shoulders when he was in college, despite the fact that opposing defenses were focused on stopping him every week. He has decent size at 212 pounds and the speed and quickness to make defenders miss. He gets through the hole very quickly and breaks a lot of tackles in the open field. Norwood is one of the few backs in this draft I think can come in and carry the football 20-25 times a game. He could end up being a real find in the third or fourth round.
Hall – Man do I love this guy. Hall is a patient runner who lets his blocks develop. He’s listed at 208 pounds but he’s a very effective runner between the tackles and in short yardage situations. Hall is an explosive runner once he gets into the open field and very hard to bring down because he runs with a low center of gravity. Didn’t get a lot of national coverage but put up big numbers against some pretty good defenses. Like I said, his running style reminds me a lot of Emmitt Smith. If he turns out to be half as good as Emmitt was, some team will have a draft day steal on their hands.
Wali Lundy, Virginia – Lundy started 11 games as a senior but was limited most of the season because of a foot injury. At 218 pounds, he’s is one of the few bigger backs in this draft. Lundy is a good all-around running back who scored 52 total touchdowns in his college career. He doesn’t have blazing speed but his abilities as a receiver and a kick returner increases his value. Lundy is an interesting prospect because he can do a lot of different things well. Worst-case scenario is he’s a decent backup and special teams player. Best case scenario is Lundy turns out to be another Terrell Davis – a player who shared time in college and turns out to be a better pro running back once he’s given an opportunity.
Possible Patriots
White – I don’t think the Patriots will select a back in the first round but if they do, it could be White if he falls to them. Bill Belichick has shown before that he’s willing to take a chance on a player with talent if he thinks that player will buy into the Patriots system. If Belichick talks with White and believes he’s committed to being the best player he can be, the Patriots could walk away with Dillon’s heir apparent and a top ten talent with pick 21.
Hall – Hall is a player I not only like, he’s a guy I think would fit in perfectly with the Patriots. As a rookie, Hall could spell Dillon so the veteran doesn’t get worn down and if he shows he’s as good as I think he is, the Patriots will have their running back of the future. If he’s not as good as I think he is, they’ll have a solid third-down back to replace Faulk once he retires. Either way the Patriots win. Hall would be a great fit in New England and a player the Patriots could steal on the second day of the draft.
Drew – It’s no secret that the Patriots are looking to upgrade their return game and selecting Drew will certainly do that. The dynamic runner from UCLA won’t replace Dillon but he’s a player the Patriots can use in a lot of different ways. Drew is basically a smaller version of Bush. He has a lot of power for his size and other than Bush, is the most elusive back in this class. With two third round picks, the Patriots could decide to use one of them on Drew if he’s still on the board. At the very least, Drew will give them one of the most dangerous return men in the NFL.
Lundy – At the Combine, Lundy said the Patriots were showing interest in him. He also had one of the best lines of the weekend when he said, “If you want to score touchdowns, give the ball to me.” Belichick always says the key to winning football games is scoring more than the other team so in that regard; Lundy would be a good fit. Lundy played at Virginia – under Al Groh – so we know the Patriots have a good scouting report on him. A power back with soft hands, Lundy would be a solid addition to any team with the possibility of some day being a feature back if he gets into the right system.
With Corey Dillon and Kevin Faulk both getting up there in age, drafting a young running back would make sense for the Patriots. Here is Patriots.com running back rankings for the upcoming draft, including some players who may end up in New England.
1. Reggie Bush, USC – The total package. The scary thing about Bush is: he’s even better when you watch him on tape than when you see him in a game. His toughness is underrated. A lot of his runs are inside and he has no problem putting his head down and running over a defender. Then there’s his elusiveness. Tough to get worn down when you rarely get hit. If the Texans pass on Bush, the franchise and their fans will regret it forever.
2. DeAngelo Williams, Memphis – One of the most prolific backs in college football history. Led the nation in rushing despite playing with a third string quarterback for most of the season. Open-field moves are reminiscent of his idol - Barry Sanders.
3. Laurence Maroney, Minnesota – Patient runner with great vision. Has breakaway speed that provides a lot of big plays. Is bigger and more physical runner than most people give him credit for. Has the skills and game-breaking ability to be a special back in the NFL.
4. LenDale White, USC – If it weren’t for his torn hamstring and questionable work ethic, White would be a top 15 pick for sure. His production on the field can’t be ignored. A big back with quick feet, White is a touchdown-scoring machine. Has great vision in the hole but concerns about him being able to control his weight has some teams backing off.
5. Jerious Norwood, Mississippi State – A complete back that’s very underrated. Posted good numbers in college despite playing on one of the worst passing offenses in the country. Has the toughness to run inside and the speed to provide the big play. Could end up being better than some of the prospects rated ahead of him.
6. Andre Hall, South Florida – The steal of the draft at the running back position. Isn’t huge but looks and plays bigger than his listed weight. Reminded me of Emmitt Smith when I watched him on tape. Played two years at South Florida and recorded 2,731 rushing yards and 27 total touchdowns. A big-time sleeper.
7. Maurice Drew, UCLA – If he were a little bit bigger, he would be a first-round selection. Has all the physical ability in the world but at 5-7 and 205 pounds, he just can’t be an every-down back in the NFL. Will be an asset to a team as a third-down back and explosive return man. Similar to the Chargers Darren Sproles.
8. Joseph Addai, LSU – Does a lot of things but doesn’t do any of them great. Has great straight-line speed but isn’t elusive in the open field. Will be a decent NFL role player but never the feature back that some are projecting. An overrated prospect that only started at LSU because of injuries.
9. Jerome Harrison, Washington State – A very interesting prospect. Isn’t getting a lot of hype but rushed for over 100 yards in his final 13 college games. Has a lot of upside and could end up being a starter in the NFL at some point. Worst case scenario is Harrison becomes a valuable third-down and change-of-pace back like Kevin Faulk is for the Patriots.
10. Brian Calhoun, Wisconsin – Looks to be one of those guys who will end up being a great college player and only average in the pros. Doesn’t like to run inside and bounced a lot of plays to the outside in college. He doesn’t have the speed to get away with that in the NFL.
Overrated
Addai – Like I said, he can do a lot of things; he just doesn’t do any of them great. Addai is like a more talented Patrick Pass. He’s very fast but his speed is minimized because he isn’t very elusive and doesn’t change direction well. He only started as a senior at LSU because Alley Broussard was injured. Addai can catch the ball well out of the backfield and will help a team as a role player but he’s never going to be a great NFL running back.
Calhoun – Calhoun has only carried the load for one season in college and he wore down in his final four games. Wisconsin running backs put up big numbers because when they can run the ball against someone, that’s all they do. Calhoun showed on tape a tendency to start a run inside and then bounce it outside but with the speed of NFL defenders, that kind of running style isn’t going to work unless you’re Barry Sanders. I noticed the same thing about William Green when he came out of college. When runners are hesitant to stick it up inside, they usually struggle in the NFL.
White – I love White as a player but as a person, he raises a lot of red flags. You have to question a guy who gains 15 pounds before the biggest game of his life and then isn’t prepared for his pro day. I don’t put too much stock in the 225-pound bench press but when a 245-pound back can only do one more rep than the USC punter, that’s a problem. A lot of players come out of college with talent but it’s the ones who work hard that make the biggest impact in the NFL. If White decides he wants to be great and works hard, he will be another Corey Dillon. If he doesn’t, he’ll be another Curtis Enis. It’s that simple.
Underrated
Norwood – After the big four, I think Norwood is the most complete back in the draft. He carried the entire Mississippi State offense on his shoulders when he was in college, despite the fact that opposing defenses were focused on stopping him every week. He has decent size at 212 pounds and the speed and quickness to make defenders miss. He gets through the hole very quickly and breaks a lot of tackles in the open field. Norwood is one of the few backs in this draft I think can come in and carry the football 20-25 times a game. He could end up being a real find in the third or fourth round.
Hall – Man do I love this guy. Hall is a patient runner who lets his blocks develop. He’s listed at 208 pounds but he’s a very effective runner between the tackles and in short yardage situations. Hall is an explosive runner once he gets into the open field and very hard to bring down because he runs with a low center of gravity. Didn’t get a lot of national coverage but put up big numbers against some pretty good defenses. Like I said, his running style reminds me a lot of Emmitt Smith. If he turns out to be half as good as Emmitt was, some team will have a draft day steal on their hands.
Wali Lundy, Virginia – Lundy started 11 games as a senior but was limited most of the season because of a foot injury. At 218 pounds, he’s is one of the few bigger backs in this draft. Lundy is a good all-around running back who scored 52 total touchdowns in his college career. He doesn’t have blazing speed but his abilities as a receiver and a kick returner increases his value. Lundy is an interesting prospect because he can do a lot of different things well. Worst-case scenario is he’s a decent backup and special teams player. Best case scenario is Lundy turns out to be another Terrell Davis – a player who shared time in college and turns out to be a better pro running back once he’s given an opportunity.
Possible Patriots
White – I don’t think the Patriots will select a back in the first round but if they do, it could be White if he falls to them. Bill Belichick has shown before that he’s willing to take a chance on a player with talent if he thinks that player will buy into the Patriots system. If Belichick talks with White and believes he’s committed to being the best player he can be, the Patriots could walk away with Dillon’s heir apparent and a top ten talent with pick 21.
Hall – Hall is a player I not only like, he’s a guy I think would fit in perfectly with the Patriots. As a rookie, Hall could spell Dillon so the veteran doesn’t get worn down and if he shows he’s as good as I think he is, the Patriots will have their running back of the future. If he’s not as good as I think he is, they’ll have a solid third-down back to replace Faulk once he retires. Either way the Patriots win. Hall would be a great fit in New England and a player the Patriots could steal on the second day of the draft.
Drew – It’s no secret that the Patriots are looking to upgrade their return game and selecting Drew will certainly do that. The dynamic runner from UCLA won’t replace Dillon but he’s a player the Patriots can use in a lot of different ways. Drew is basically a smaller version of Bush. He has a lot of power for his size and other than Bush, is the most elusive back in this class. With two third round picks, the Patriots could decide to use one of them on Drew if he’s still on the board. At the very least, Drew will give them one of the most dangerous return men in the NFL.
Lundy – At the Combine, Lundy said the Patriots were showing interest in him. He also had one of the best lines of the weekend when he said, “If you want to score touchdowns, give the ball to me.” Belichick always says the key to winning football games is scoring more than the other team so in that regard; Lundy would be a good fit. Lundy played at Virginia – under Al Groh – so we know the Patriots have a good scouting report on him. A power back with soft hands, Lundy would be a solid addition to any team with the possibility of some day being a feature back if he gets into the right system.
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Patriots.com Draft Board: Quarterbacks Tom Casale, Patriots Football Weekly
The Patriots already have a pretty good quarterback named Tom Brady, so selecting one high in the draft is probably out of the question. However, since the team has drafted a quarterback four out of the last six years, there's a possibility they will select one late in this draft as well.
1. Matt Leinart, USC – The most prepared, technically sound quarterback in this draft. Can make all the throws he needs to make at the NFL level. Not as talented as Carson Palmer physically but kind of reminds me of Troy Aikman with his accuracy on the intermediate routes. Vince Young and Jay Cutler may have more upside but Leinart is the safest pick out of the three.
2. Vince Young, Texas – A much better quarterback than people give him credit for. Is known for his ability to run with the ball but shows awareness in the pocket to go with his strong arm. With all his physical ability, if he gets with the right coach who can teach him the position, the sky is the limit for Young. Andy Hart thinks Young is the next coming of Dan Marino.
3. Jay Cutler, Vanderbilt – Probably a little over-hyped but when talking with this guy, you can’t help but fall in love with him. Has the moxie and intangibles teams look for in a quarterback to go along with a cannon for an arm. Needs to break some bad habits and be more consistent on his throws but has a lot of upside because of his desire and attitude.
4. Kellen Clemens, Oregon – In my opinion, there is the big four at quarterback, not the big three. I wouldn’t be shocked if three years down the road, Clemens turns out to be the best quarterback to come out of this draft. He has a strong arm and really impressed scouts with his performance at the Combine. Was injured after eight games last year and that hurt his draft stock early on but he’s on the rise as of late. Could end up going as early as the second round now.
5. Charlie Whitehurst, Clemson – Was inconsistent in college and never really reached his full potential. Has good size and is able to make most throws but struggles a little bit with his decision-making. Could be a solid pro after a couple of years if he works hard and cuts down on his mistakes.
6. Bruce Gradkowski, Toledo – Intelligent signal caller with limited physical skills. Is one of those guys who plays better than he tests. Kind of similar to Tom Brady coming out of college. Nothing really blows you away about him but he’s a leader and a winner. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him starting in the NFL someday because of his feel for the game but at the very least, he should be a capable backup.
7. Brodie Croyle, Alabama – A developmental quarterback with some decent skills. Battled injuries in college but when he was healthy proved to be a gutsy leader with good intangibles. Needs to deliver the ball quicker, especially when being blitzed. Takes too many sacks. Doesn’t have a rocket for an arm but is accurate and throws a catchable ball. Needs to show better pocket awareness but possesses some of the skills NFL teams look for in a quarterback and could end up being a solid backup.
8. Reggie McNeal, Texas A&M – An athletic quarterback with a big arm. Is raw but has some upside. Can be very streaky at times and needs to show more consistency. Struggles hitting receivers on the run. A great athlete who could turn into a starting pro quarterback some day if a team is patient with him. He won’t be ready to play for a couple of years because he’s still way too erratic as a passer.
9. Ingle Martin, Furman – Started his career at Florida before transferring to Furman. Really impressed at the Combine where he showed he had a strong arm and was very accurate in all the drills. Tested out as having the best velocity of any quarterback at the Combine, yet throws a catchable ball. Shows good poise in the pocket and can make plays out of nothing. A very intriguing late-round prospect.
10. Omar Jacobs, Bowling Green – Would have been better served to stay in college for his senior season. Put up big numbers at Bowling Green but struggled at the Combine in the throwing drills. Is a developmental prospect that is a few years away from playing in the NFL. Played in a shotgun/option-type offense in college, so he needs to learn how to play in a pro style system. Sometimes just throws the ball up into coverage. Has a long way to go but at this point so do the rest of the quarterbacks left on the board. Andy Hart says he wouldn’t select Jacobs if the NFL expanded the draft to 25 rounds.
Overrated
Cutler – I think Cutler is a good prospect who could end up being a productive NFL quarterback but right now his hype is overshadowing his actual ability. Cutler is one of the top 30 players in this draft but he certainly isn’t one of the top five. If he goes that early, I think it will be a mistake. Cutler has a chance to be a good NFL quarterback, I’m just not sure we are looking at the next Peyton Manning or Carson Palmer. I think he’s more likely to be the next Kerry Collins. In other words, a good – but not great – NFL quarterback with a very strong arm.
McNeal – I love Corey Chavous and respect his opinions on the draft because he’s an intelligent player who actually puts a lot of work in evaluating prospects. However, to say that McNeal is the best player is this draft is ludicrous. McNeal was very streaky in college and when he’s off, he’s way off. McNeal is a good athlete but he needs to be coached up and is a long way away from being a starting NFL quarterback.
Drew Olson, UCLA – Olson is a guy I’m really down on. I think he has a weak arm and makes some terrible decisions on the football field. I know some people have him ranked in their top ten but when I watch Olson, I see an undrafted free agent.
Underrated
Clemens – Clemens draft stock is really on the rise. His size, accuracy and arm strength is as impressive as any quarterback in the draft. It’s funny because with all the talk these past three months about Leinart, Young and Cutler, this guy has the physical tools to be better than all of them in a couple of years. Clemens reminds me of Drew Bledsoe and before Patriots fans laugh, remember that a lot of teams would of loved to have Bledsoe as their starting quarterback during his career.
Gradkowski – It’s funny because after I got done watching Gradkowski on tape, I went over to Andy hart and told him the former Toledo gunslinger reminded of Brady in a lot of ways. Andy responded by saying he thought the exact same thing when he was watching Gradkowski. Now, are we saying Gradkowski is going to be the next Brady? Absolutely not. However, he does have the same instincts and intangibles that someone like Brady possesses. He doesn’t wow you with his arm strength or athletic ability but there’s something about Gradkowski’s game that makes you like him. He’s smart, gutsy and plays with a lot of poise. If he ends up in the right system, Gradkowski could really surprise a lot of people down the road.
Possible Patriots
Martin – The Patriots may not even draft a quarterback and if they do, it won’t be until the later rounds of the draft. Martin is an intriguing guy because he started his career at Florida before transferring to Furman and putting up solid numbers. He was one of the most accurate quarterbacks at the Combine and with his combination of intelligence and physical ability, the Patriots may be tempted to take a chance on him if he’s around late in the draft.
Paul Pinegar, Fresno State – I actually don’t like Pinegar at all but he’s expected to be available late in the draft and since he played for Fresno State, the Patriots may know things about him that would make them believe Pinegar is worthy of a late-round pick. Pinegar makes a lot of bad decisions and struggles with his accuracy but in Round 7 of the draft, teams are looking for players with upside who fit their system. If the Patriots feel like Pinegar falls into that category, he could wind up in New England.
The Patriots already have a pretty good quarterback named Tom Brady, so selecting one high in the draft is probably out of the question. However, since the team has drafted a quarterback four out of the last six years, there's a possibility they will select one late in this draft as well.
1. Matt Leinart, USC – The most prepared, technically sound quarterback in this draft. Can make all the throws he needs to make at the NFL level. Not as talented as Carson Palmer physically but kind of reminds me of Troy Aikman with his accuracy on the intermediate routes. Vince Young and Jay Cutler may have more upside but Leinart is the safest pick out of the three.
2. Vince Young, Texas – A much better quarterback than people give him credit for. Is known for his ability to run with the ball but shows awareness in the pocket to go with his strong arm. With all his physical ability, if he gets with the right coach who can teach him the position, the sky is the limit for Young. Andy Hart thinks Young is the next coming of Dan Marino.
3. Jay Cutler, Vanderbilt – Probably a little over-hyped but when talking with this guy, you can’t help but fall in love with him. Has the moxie and intangibles teams look for in a quarterback to go along with a cannon for an arm. Needs to break some bad habits and be more consistent on his throws but has a lot of upside because of his desire and attitude.
4. Kellen Clemens, Oregon – In my opinion, there is the big four at quarterback, not the big three. I wouldn’t be shocked if three years down the road, Clemens turns out to be the best quarterback to come out of this draft. He has a strong arm and really impressed scouts with his performance at the Combine. Was injured after eight games last year and that hurt his draft stock early on but he’s on the rise as of late. Could end up going as early as the second round now.
5. Charlie Whitehurst, Clemson – Was inconsistent in college and never really reached his full potential. Has good size and is able to make most throws but struggles a little bit with his decision-making. Could be a solid pro after a couple of years if he works hard and cuts down on his mistakes.
6. Bruce Gradkowski, Toledo – Intelligent signal caller with limited physical skills. Is one of those guys who plays better than he tests. Kind of similar to Tom Brady coming out of college. Nothing really blows you away about him but he’s a leader and a winner. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him starting in the NFL someday because of his feel for the game but at the very least, he should be a capable backup.
7. Brodie Croyle, Alabama – A developmental quarterback with some decent skills. Battled injuries in college but when he was healthy proved to be a gutsy leader with good intangibles. Needs to deliver the ball quicker, especially when being blitzed. Takes too many sacks. Doesn’t have a rocket for an arm but is accurate and throws a catchable ball. Needs to show better pocket awareness but possesses some of the skills NFL teams look for in a quarterback and could end up being a solid backup.
8. Reggie McNeal, Texas A&M – An athletic quarterback with a big arm. Is raw but has some upside. Can be very streaky at times and needs to show more consistency. Struggles hitting receivers on the run. A great athlete who could turn into a starting pro quarterback some day if a team is patient with him. He won’t be ready to play for a couple of years because he’s still way too erratic as a passer.
9. Ingle Martin, Furman – Started his career at Florida before transferring to Furman. Really impressed at the Combine where he showed he had a strong arm and was very accurate in all the drills. Tested out as having the best velocity of any quarterback at the Combine, yet throws a catchable ball. Shows good poise in the pocket and can make plays out of nothing. A very intriguing late-round prospect.
10. Omar Jacobs, Bowling Green – Would have been better served to stay in college for his senior season. Put up big numbers at Bowling Green but struggled at the Combine in the throwing drills. Is a developmental prospect that is a few years away from playing in the NFL. Played in a shotgun/option-type offense in college, so he needs to learn how to play in a pro style system. Sometimes just throws the ball up into coverage. Has a long way to go but at this point so do the rest of the quarterbacks left on the board. Andy Hart says he wouldn’t select Jacobs if the NFL expanded the draft to 25 rounds.
Overrated
Cutler – I think Cutler is a good prospect who could end up being a productive NFL quarterback but right now his hype is overshadowing his actual ability. Cutler is one of the top 30 players in this draft but he certainly isn’t one of the top five. If he goes that early, I think it will be a mistake. Cutler has a chance to be a good NFL quarterback, I’m just not sure we are looking at the next Peyton Manning or Carson Palmer. I think he’s more likely to be the next Kerry Collins. In other words, a good – but not great – NFL quarterback with a very strong arm.
McNeal – I love Corey Chavous and respect his opinions on the draft because he’s an intelligent player who actually puts a lot of work in evaluating prospects. However, to say that McNeal is the best player is this draft is ludicrous. McNeal was very streaky in college and when he’s off, he’s way off. McNeal is a good athlete but he needs to be coached up and is a long way away from being a starting NFL quarterback.
Drew Olson, UCLA – Olson is a guy I’m really down on. I think he has a weak arm and makes some terrible decisions on the football field. I know some people have him ranked in their top ten but when I watch Olson, I see an undrafted free agent.
Underrated
Clemens – Clemens draft stock is really on the rise. His size, accuracy and arm strength is as impressive as any quarterback in the draft. It’s funny because with all the talk these past three months about Leinart, Young and Cutler, this guy has the physical tools to be better than all of them in a couple of years. Clemens reminds me of Drew Bledsoe and before Patriots fans laugh, remember that a lot of teams would of loved to have Bledsoe as their starting quarterback during his career.
Gradkowski – It’s funny because after I got done watching Gradkowski on tape, I went over to Andy hart and told him the former Toledo gunslinger reminded of Brady in a lot of ways. Andy responded by saying he thought the exact same thing when he was watching Gradkowski. Now, are we saying Gradkowski is going to be the next Brady? Absolutely not. However, he does have the same instincts and intangibles that someone like Brady possesses. He doesn’t wow you with his arm strength or athletic ability but there’s something about Gradkowski’s game that makes you like him. He’s smart, gutsy and plays with a lot of poise. If he ends up in the right system, Gradkowski could really surprise a lot of people down the road.
Possible Patriots
Martin – The Patriots may not even draft a quarterback and if they do, it won’t be until the later rounds of the draft. Martin is an intriguing guy because he started his career at Florida before transferring to Furman and putting up solid numbers. He was one of the most accurate quarterbacks at the Combine and with his combination of intelligence and physical ability, the Patriots may be tempted to take a chance on him if he’s around late in the draft.
Paul Pinegar, Fresno State – I actually don’t like Pinegar at all but he’s expected to be available late in the draft and since he played for Fresno State, the Patriots may know things about him that would make them believe Pinegar is worthy of a late-round pick. Pinegar makes a lot of bad decisions and struggles with his accuracy but in Round 7 of the draft, teams are looking for players with upside who fit their system. If the Patriots feel like Pinegar falls into that category, he could wind up in New England.
nerangers
Footballguy
HI All,
Came across a good page that had the drafting history of the Patriots since 1967. There was too much to post the whole thing, so here is the link:
Patriot Draft Picks
Here is from 2000 on out...really shows the draft can be hit or miss.
Year # Rd-Pck Ovr Player Name Pos. College
2005
1 1 32 32 Logan Mankins G Fresno State
2 3 20 84 Ellis Hobbs CB Iowa State
3 3 37 100 Nick Kaczur T Toledo
4 4 32 132 James Sanders S Fresno State
5 5 34 170 Ryan Claridge OLB UNLV
6 7 16 230 Matt Cassell QB USC
7 7 41 255 Andy Stokes TE William-Penn
2004
1 1 21 21 Vince Wilfork DT Miami
2 1 32 32 Ben Watson TE Georgia
3 2 31 63 Marquise Hill DE LSU
4 3 32 95 Guss Scott S Florida
5 4 17 113 Dexter Reid S North Carolina
6 4 32 128 Cedric Cobbs RB Arkansas
7 5 32 164 P.K. Sam WR Florida State
8 7 32 233 Christian Morton CB Illinois
2003
1 1 13 13 Ty Warren DT Texas A&M
2 2 4 36 Eugene Wilson DB Illinois
3 2 13 45 Bethel Johnson WR Texas A&M
4 4 20 117 Dan Klecko DT Temple
5 4 23 120 Asante Samuel DB Central Florida
6 5 29 164 Dan Koppen C Boston College
7 6 28 201 Kliff Kingsbury QB Texas Tech
8 7 20 234 Spencer Nead TE Brigham Young
9 7 25 239 Tully Banta-Cain DE California
10 7 29 243 Ethan Kelley DT Baylor
2002
1 1 21 21 Dan Graham TE Colorado
2 2 33 65 Deion Branch WR Louisville
3 4 19 117 Rohan Davey QB LSU
4 4 28 126 Jarvis Green DE LSU
5 7 26 237 Antwoine Womack RB Virginia
6 7 33 244 David Givens WR Notre Dame
2001
1 1 6 6 Richard Seymour DT Georgia
2 2 17 48 Matt Light T Purdue
3 3 24 86 Brock Williams DB Notre Dame
4 4 1 96 Kenyatta Jones T South Florida
5 4 24 119 Jabari Holloway TE Notre Dame
6 5 32 163 Hakim Akbar DB Washington
7 6 17 180 Arthur Love TE South Carolina State
8 6 37 200 Leonard Myers DB Miami (FL)
9 7 16 216 Owen Pochman K Brigham Young
10 7 39 239 T.J. Turner LB Michigan State
2000
1 2 15 46 Adrian Klemm T Hawaii
2 3 14 76 J.R. Redmond RB Arizona State
3 4 33 127 Greg Robinson-Randall T Michigan State
4 5 12 141 Dave Stachelski TE Boise State
5 5 32 161 Jeff Marriott DT Missouri
6 6 21 187 Antwan Harris DB Virginia
7 6 33 199 Tom Brady QB Michigan
8 6 35 201 David Nugent DT Purdue
9 7 20 226 Casey Tisdale LB New Mexico
10 7 33 239 Patrick Pass RB Georgia
Came across a good page that had the drafting history of the Patriots since 1967. There was too much to post the whole thing, so here is the link:
Patriot Draft Picks
Here is from 2000 on out...really shows the draft can be hit or miss.
Year # Rd-Pck Ovr Player Name Pos. College
2005
1 1 32 32 Logan Mankins G Fresno State
2 3 20 84 Ellis Hobbs CB Iowa State
3 3 37 100 Nick Kaczur T Toledo
4 4 32 132 James Sanders S Fresno State
5 5 34 170 Ryan Claridge OLB UNLV
6 7 16 230 Matt Cassell QB USC
7 7 41 255 Andy Stokes TE William-Penn
2004
1 1 21 21 Vince Wilfork DT Miami
2 1 32 32 Ben Watson TE Georgia
3 2 31 63 Marquise Hill DE LSU
4 3 32 95 Guss Scott S Florida
5 4 17 113 Dexter Reid S North Carolina
6 4 32 128 Cedric Cobbs RB Arkansas
7 5 32 164 P.K. Sam WR Florida State
8 7 32 233 Christian Morton CB Illinois
2003
1 1 13 13 Ty Warren DT Texas A&M
2 2 4 36 Eugene Wilson DB Illinois
3 2 13 45 Bethel Johnson WR Texas A&M
4 4 20 117 Dan Klecko DT Temple
5 4 23 120 Asante Samuel DB Central Florida
6 5 29 164 Dan Koppen C Boston College
7 6 28 201 Kliff Kingsbury QB Texas Tech
8 7 20 234 Spencer Nead TE Brigham Young
9 7 25 239 Tully Banta-Cain DE California
10 7 29 243 Ethan Kelley DT Baylor
2002
1 1 21 21 Dan Graham TE Colorado
2 2 33 65 Deion Branch WR Louisville
3 4 19 117 Rohan Davey QB LSU
4 4 28 126 Jarvis Green DE LSU
5 7 26 237 Antwoine Womack RB Virginia
6 7 33 244 David Givens WR Notre Dame
2001
1 1 6 6 Richard Seymour DT Georgia
2 2 17 48 Matt Light T Purdue
3 3 24 86 Brock Williams DB Notre Dame
4 4 1 96 Kenyatta Jones T South Florida
5 4 24 119 Jabari Holloway TE Notre Dame
6 5 32 163 Hakim Akbar DB Washington
7 6 17 180 Arthur Love TE South Carolina State
8 6 37 200 Leonard Myers DB Miami (FL)
9 7 16 216 Owen Pochman K Brigham Young
10 7 39 239 T.J. Turner LB Michigan State
2000
1 2 15 46 Adrian Klemm T Hawaii
2 3 14 76 J.R. Redmond RB Arizona State
3 4 33 127 Greg Robinson-Randall T Michigan State
4 5 12 141 Dave Stachelski TE Boise State
5 5 32 161 Jeff Marriott DT Missouri
6 6 21 187 Antwan Harris DB Virginia
7 6 33 199 Tom Brady QB Michigan
8 6 35 201 David Nugent DT Purdue
9 7 20 226 Casey Tisdale LB New Mexico
10 7 33 239 Patrick Pass RB Georgia
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Footballguy
For a lot of teams its do or die in the first round.
I would be happy with any number of players going to the Patriots in the first round:
DeAngelo Williams
Bobby Carpenter
Santonio Holmes
Tye Hill
I think the Pats draft will be made in the 3rd round this year. If they dont get Williams in the first round, I would like to see them get Norwood or Drew in the 3rd. There are also a number of receivers that project to the 3rd round that the Pats could be interested in.
I'm sure they will get a solid player in the 1st round but with the holes that they need to fill, the quantity of their picks is also very important.
I would be happy with any number of players going to the Patriots in the first round:
DeAngelo Williams
Bobby Carpenter
Santonio Holmes
Tye Hill
I think the Pats draft will be made in the 3rd round this year. If they dont get Williams in the first round, I would like to see them get Norwood or Drew in the 3rd. There are also a number of receivers that project to the 3rd round that the Pats could be interested in.
I'm sure they will get a solid player in the 1st round but with the holes that they need to fill, the quantity of their picks is also very important.
nerangers
Footballguy
Patriots | Team keeping Flutie's nameplate; he's still deciding
Sun, 23 Apr 2006 07:58:30 -0700
The Boston Globe reports the New England Patriots are keeping free agent QB Doug Flutie's (Patriots) nameplate on his stall in their locker room. His agent, Kristen Kuliga, laughed and said she didn't mind if Flutie fans took the nameplate as a good omen, but Flutie has yet to decide whether he will return for a 22d season of professional football. ''Right now, he's exploring some broadcasting opportunities and trying to decide if he wants to play," Kuliga said.
Sun, 23 Apr 2006 07:58:30 -0700
The Boston Globe reports the New England Patriots are keeping free agent QB Doug Flutie's (Patriots) nameplate on his stall in their locker room. His agent, Kristen Kuliga, laughed and said she didn't mind if Flutie fans took the nameplate as a good omen, but Flutie has yet to decide whether he will return for a 22d season of professional football. ''Right now, he's exploring some broadcasting opportunities and trying to decide if he wants to play," Kuliga said.
nerangers
Footballguy
Patriots | Team is $17 million under salary cap
Sun, 23 Apr 2006 16:11:51 -0700
The San Diego Union-Tribune reports the New England Patriots are $17 million under the salary cap, according to a source with NFL contractual data.
Patriots | Team conducted pre-draft private workout with K. Simpson
Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:51:30 -0700
Denny Seitz, of Charlotte Observer, reports the New England Patriots conducted a private workout with South Carolina S Ko Simpson.
Patriots | Team conducted pre-draft visit with Keiaho
Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:49:47 -0700
Rhiannon Potkey, of the Ventura County Star, reports the New England Patriots conducted a pre-draft visit with San Diego State LB Freddy Keiaho.
Patriots | Team interested in J. Lay
Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:39:04 -0700
Mike Bires, of the Beaver County Times Allegheny Times, reports agent Michael Huyghue said the New England Patriots have shown an interest in his client, Pittsburgh CB Josh Lay. Lay is expected to be a late-round pick in the NFL Draft.
Sun, 23 Apr 2006 16:11:51 -0700
The San Diego Union-Tribune reports the New England Patriots are $17 million under the salary cap, according to a source with NFL contractual data.
Patriots | Team conducted pre-draft private workout with K. Simpson
Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:51:30 -0700
Denny Seitz, of Charlotte Observer, reports the New England Patriots conducted a private workout with South Carolina S Ko Simpson.
Patriots | Team conducted pre-draft visit with Keiaho
Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:49:47 -0700
Rhiannon Potkey, of the Ventura County Star, reports the New England Patriots conducted a pre-draft visit with San Diego State LB Freddy Keiaho.
Patriots | Team interested in J. Lay
Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:39:04 -0700
Mike Bires, of the Beaver County Times Allegheny Times, reports agent Michael Huyghue said the New England Patriots have shown an interest in his client, Pittsburgh CB Josh Lay. Lay is expected to be a late-round pick in the NFL Draft.
So we DO draft a TE every year..hehHI All,
Came across a good page that had the drafting history of the Patriots since 1967. There was too much to post the whole thing, so here is the link:
Patriot Draft Picks
Here is from 2000 on out...really shows the draft can be hit or miss.
Year # Rd-Pck Ovr Player Name Pos. College
2005
1 1 32 32 Logan Mankins G Fresno State
2 3 20 84 Ellis Hobbs CB Iowa State
3 3 37 100 Nick Kaczur T Toledo
4 4 32 132 James Sanders S Fresno State
5 5 34 170 Ryan Claridge OLB UNLV
6 7 16 230 Matt Cassell QB USC
7 7 41 255 Andy Stokes TE William-Penn
2004
1 1 21 21 Vince Wilfork DT Miami
2 1 32 32 Ben Watson TE Georgia
3 2 31 63 Marquise Hill DE LSU
4 3 32 95 Guss Scott S Florida
5 4 17 113 Dexter Reid S North Carolina
6 4 32 128 Cedric Cobbs RB Arkansas
7 5 32 164 P.K. Sam WR Florida State
8 7 32 233 Christian Morton CB Illinois
2003
1 1 13 13 Ty Warren DT Texas A&M
2 2 4 36 Eugene Wilson DB Illinois
3 2 13 45 Bethel Johnson WR Texas A&M
4 4 20 117 Dan Klecko DT Temple
5 4 23 120 Asante Samuel DB Central Florida
6 5 29 164 Dan Koppen C Boston College
7 6 28 201 Kliff Kingsbury QB Texas Tech
8 7 20 234 Spencer Nead TE Brigham Young
9 7 25 239 Tully Banta-Cain DE California
10 7 29 243 Ethan Kelley DT Baylor
2002
1 1 21 21 Dan Graham TE Colorado
2 2 33 65 Deion Branch WR Louisville
3 4 19 117 Rohan Davey QB LSU
4 4 28 126 Jarvis Green DE LSU
5 7 26 237 Antwoine Womack RB Virginia
6 7 33 244 David Givens WR Notre Dame
2001
1 1 6 6 Richard Seymour DT Georgia
2 2 17 48 Matt Light T Purdue
3 3 24 86 Brock Williams DB Notre Dame
4 4 1 96 Kenyatta Jones T South Florida
5 4 24 119 Jabari Holloway TE Notre Dame
6 5 32 163 Hakim Akbar DB Washington
7 6 17 180 Arthur Love TE South Carolina State
8 6 37 200 Leonard Myers DB Miami (FL)
9 7 16 216 Owen Pochman K Brigham Young
10 7 39 239 T.J. Turner LB Michigan State
2000
1 2 15 46 Adrian Klemm T Hawaii
2 3 14 76 J.R. Redmond RB Arizona State
3 4 33 127 Greg Robinson-Randall T Michigan State
4 5 12 141 Dave Stachelski TE Boise State
5 5 32 161 Jeff Marriott DT Missouri
6 6 21 187 Antwan Harris DB Virginia
7 6 33 199 Tom Brady QB Michigan
8 6 35 201 David Nugent DT Purdue
9 7 20 226 Casey Tisdale LB New Mexico
10 7 33 239 Patrick Pass RB Georgia
nerangers
Footballguy
hmmm better prepare for it then! lolTight Ends
First Round
Vernon Davis (Maryland)
Second Round
Leonard Pope (Georgia)
Joe Klopfenstein (Colorado)
Marcedes Lewis (UCLA)
Anthony Fasano (Notre Dame)
Third Round
David Thomas (Texas)
Fourth Round
Tony Scheffler (Western Michigan)
Owen Daniels (Wisconsin)
Dominique Byrd (USC)
Fifth Round
Anthony Mix (Auburn)
Sixth Round
Tim Day (Oregon)
Seventh Round
Jeff King (Virginia Tech)
Cooper Wallace (Auburn)
Free Agents
Matt Henshaw (Florida State)
Charles Davis (Purdue)
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nerangers
Footballguy
Patriots | E. Nelson impresses during workout
Sun, 23 Apr 2006 19:30:19 -0700
Aaron Wilson, of the Carroll County Times, reports Connecticut TE Ed Nelson impressed scouts with his hands during his workout. One of the teams in attendance was the New England Patriots.
Patriots | J. Lewis struggles during workout
Sun, 23 Apr 2006 19:13:51 -0700
Aaron Wilson, of the Carroll County Times, reports George Mason TE/OL/DL Jai Lewis struggled during his workout. He dropped several passes and struggled to perform in the agility drills. One of the teams in attendance was the New England Patriots.
Sun, 23 Apr 2006 19:30:19 -0700
Aaron Wilson, of the Carroll County Times, reports Connecticut TE Ed Nelson impressed scouts with his hands during his workout. One of the teams in attendance was the New England Patriots.
Patriots | J. Lewis struggles during workout
Sun, 23 Apr 2006 19:13:51 -0700
Aaron Wilson, of the Carroll County Times, reports George Mason TE/OL/DL Jai Lewis struggled during his workout. He dropped several passes and struggled to perform in the agility drills. One of the teams in attendance was the New England Patriots.
I don't see that as a strong need or a BPA in the second round. Admittedly, sometimes it's a crudshoot predicting BPA but....My draft thoughts:
Personally, in this LBer deep draft I would be OK with them taking 7 LBers with BB deciding which ones to take. Of course that won't happen so I'd settle for two. I'd also like a safety and a WR. other 3, whatever Pioli wants, I'll let him decide those 3 I got these 4
No K?I love Todd France and really hope they bring him in and sign him. He was phenomenal in NFLE last year breaking Akers and Vinatieri's records. Then he went to camp with the Bucs and missed one FG TOTAL in practice, scrimmages, and games....just one all summer. He kicked for the Eagles and suddenly didn't have a long enough kickoff leg. Was that nerves? Was he hiding an injury? He boomed them for the Bucs and in NFLE? Either way I hope they give him a tryout. And like everyone else I'm curious about Automatica.
I don't care about drafting a Dillon replacement. W haven't had alot of luck thru the draft since Curtis. I'd be OK with them hunting down a FA when the need presents itself. It can't be hard to attarct a FA to play for a winner despite the cold.
I have total confidence in them finding some lunchpail o-linemen to come in too.
Exile
Footballguy
If we're talking what we'd like to see, I'll jump in...This is a great draft to be picking in the early 20's and there are a lot of players predicted to go in the second half of the first round that I like. My top two are probably Bobby Carpenter and DeAngelo Williams. Carpenter just looks like a Belichick 'backer when I've seen him play. And Williams, even though I know he's not a "Patriot's type of back" (i.e. big back), I just love watching him run. In one play I saw, he made a move that reminded me of the one Curtis Martin put on the Steelers to break a long TD run in the '96 divisional playoffs game.I don't see that as a strong need or a BPA in the second round. Admittedly, sometimes it's a crudshoot predicting BPA but....My draft thoughts:
Personally, in this LBer deep draft I would be OK with them taking 7 LBers with BB deciding which ones to take. Of course that won't happen so I'd settle for two. I'd also like a safety and a WR. other 3, whatever Pioli wants, I'll let him decide those 3 I got these 4
No K?I love Todd France and really hope they bring him in and sign him. He was phenomenal in NFLE last year breaking Akers and Vinatieri's records. Then he went to camp with the Bucs and missed one FG TOTAL in practice, scrimmages, and games....just one all summer. He kicked for the Eagles and suddenly didn't have a long enough kickoff leg. Was that nerves? Was he hiding an injury? He boomed them for the Bucs and in NFLE? Either way I hope they give him a tryout. And like everyone else I'm curious about Automatica.
I don't care about drafting a Dillon replacement. W haven't had alot of luck thru the draft since Curtis. I'd be OK with them hunting down a FA when the need presents itself. It can't be hard to attarct a FA to play for a winner despite the cold.
I have total confidence in them finding some lunchpail o-linemen to come in too.
If not one of those guys, CB is probably the best bet because they'll be several to choose from with 1st round grades. I think the Patriots can address the WR position in the 2nd round really well. Someone like Maurice Stovall, Greg Jennings, or Jason Avant would look good competing with Reche Caldwell for the WR2 spot.
Of course, the draft has often been anti-climactic the past few years for me because they almost never pick the guy I think they will and even when I've never heard of the guy (hello, Logan Mankins), I can't bring myself to second guess Belichick and Pioli. Seymour, Graham, Warren, Watson, Wilfork, and Mankins is a pretty good track record.
nerangers
Footballguy
I did a mock draft of the first round (NERangers Rookie Mock Draft), just to get a feel where certain players might slide to.
If the Pats were going RB in the first round, there is a very good chance that Deangelo Williams could be there. There are a few teams that could grab him before pick 21, but they have more pressing needs I think (Broncos and Eagles come to mind).
Tons of LBs in this draft as well. I had both Demeco Ryans and Bobby Carpenter available at this pick. Greenway also slid down to this pick, but I don't think the Pats would pick him.
I had three DB/CBs gone by the Pats pick (Hill, Cromartie, and Williams) so if they were going CB, this would probably be the best round to do it in. I have two more being drafted in the first round (Joseph, Jennings), and Richard Marshall who many think would be the Pats pick sliding to the second round.
The top two WRs are off the board by this pick, so I don't see the Pats reaching for Moss.
Donte Whitner would also be available at this pick, and can play both CB and Safety.
Strengths:
Has excellent speed and quickness...Is very athletic and explosive...Has great range and covers a lot of ground...Extremely physical and is a great tackler...A playmaker who is always around the ball and has a knack for making the big play...Is very instinctive...Has excellent hands to make the interception...Great pass rusher on the blitz...Has top intangibles and is a leader on the field.
Let's hope the Pats keep the pick and don't trade it away. I think there is a lot of talent available to them.
If the Pats were going RB in the first round, there is a very good chance that Deangelo Williams could be there. There are a few teams that could grab him before pick 21, but they have more pressing needs I think (Broncos and Eagles come to mind).
Tons of LBs in this draft as well. I had both Demeco Ryans and Bobby Carpenter available at this pick. Greenway also slid down to this pick, but I don't think the Pats would pick him.
I had three DB/CBs gone by the Pats pick (Hill, Cromartie, and Williams) so if they were going CB, this would probably be the best round to do it in. I have two more being drafted in the first round (Joseph, Jennings), and Richard Marshall who many think would be the Pats pick sliding to the second round.
The top two WRs are off the board by this pick, so I don't see the Pats reaching for Moss.
Donte Whitner would also be available at this pick, and can play both CB and Safety.
Strengths:
Has excellent speed and quickness...Is very athletic and explosive...Has great range and covers a lot of ground...Extremely physical and is a great tackler...A playmaker who is always around the ball and has a knack for making the big play...Is very instinctive...Has excellent hands to make the interception...Great pass rusher on the blitz...Has top intangibles and is a leader on the field.
Let's hope the Pats keep the pick and don't trade it away. I think there is a lot of talent available to them.
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SoloMatisse
Footballguy
The more I think about it, the more I talk myself into Deangelo Williams in this slot. Depth at RB is equally as important as depth at any other spot. If Dillon breaks down again like last year, which I say is 50-50, then they'll need someone there who can step right in and perform at a high level. Williams is the guy. He may be the best RB on the roster from day 1 if he's taken. The Pats wont get a shot at a back of this caliber with their 2nd or beyond, so Im 100% in favor of locking him down at 21 if he's there. Imo, it would be a major steal, and taking a back in the 20s is the ideal spot. Im all in favor of drafting quality big men early, but the team is loaded with quality young big men. This appears to be a deep LB draft, so if they pass in the 1st round, they shoud be able to recover and still snag a Bruschi type sleeper in the 2nd or 3rd. Playmakers are hard to come by. Williams is one. The Pats are in desperate need of guys on O who can make plays. They took Daniel Graham in the 1st round a few years ago.....Id look for them to pick DW if he's there waiting.
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