Patriots being investigated after Colts game (2 Viewers)

[Run It Up]

I saw a thing by Wilson stating that they inflate the ball to 120 PSI as part of their manufacturing process.

ORLY

 

[Old Smiley]

"Colts coach Chuck Pagano was notified and a call was made to general manager Ryan Grigson in the press box, according to a source familiar with the Colts' situation."

"a person familiar with the matter told Newsday."

"according to two people with knowledge of the situation."

"Another person familiar with the timeline"

"according to a source familiar with the Colts' situation"

"a person familiar with the situation said."

"The NFL had no comment."

All from one story.

 

[Run It Up]

Brady played the 1st half last game with balls that didnt meet regulation....11 of 12.

Sorry don't drag Rodgers into this to fit your agenda, not the same.

Rodgers made a comment...someone said...no evidence it happened.

Rodgers commented on it later, went in to detail how he doesn't think its the same thing, because he believes overinflating a ball doesn't provide an advantage.In other words, its okay if he does it.

Overinflating a ball allows it to travel further. In case there was any confusion.

you seriously can't see the difference between one QB saying he likes his ball a little harder and hopes it can he a little over inflated and pass pregame inspection, and a team letting air out AFTER the balls have been inspected?

You see the difference between one QB saying he does it, saying it isn't cheating, saying its okay that he does it - and one team being accused of cheating with little evidence.

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

Brady played the 1st half last game with balls that didnt meet regulation....11 of 12.

Sorry don't drag Rodgers into this to fit your agenda, not the same.

Rodgers made a comment...someone said...no evidence it happened.

Rodgers commented on it later, went in to detail how he doesn't think its the same thing, because he believes overinflating a ball doesn't provide an advantage.In other words, its okay if he does it.

Overinflating a ball allows it to travel further. In case there was any confusion.

you seriously can't see the difference between one QB saying he likes his ball a little harder and hopes it can he a little over inflated and pass pregame inspection, and a team letting air out AFTER the balls have been inspected?

I probably shouldn't speak for riu, but ftr, most pats fans do not believe any1 let air out of the ball post inspection. This goes along that lines that some qbs like a higher psi, some lower, not a problem until the patriots won one too many games and ticked off a certain hc.

 

[espnespn]

I think the Patriots have already weighed the ball boy scenario and deemed it a non threat to them. I would be shocked at this point for anything to stick. You don't do what the Pats and Kraft did without being 100% sure.

Bob Kraft undoubtedly has plenty of different sources in the NFL offices (besides Goodell) who are quietly telling him how the investigation is going. It'd be an amazingly stupid move for Kraft to make his statements, unless he was sure the NFL had no concrete evidence.

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

FWIW,

Krafts comments.

http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/12233567/robert-kraft-new-england-patriots-expects-apology-nfl-find-deflategate-culprit?ex_cid=espnapi_public

 

[the moops]

Todays news is that after the Refs set the weight, the Pats then took the balls and altered. Totally different.

Yea, this wasn't the news at all, but keep going on

 

[General Tso]

Brady played the 1st half last game with balls that didnt meet regulation....11 of 12.

Sorry don't drag Rodgers into this to fit your agenda, not the same.

Rodgers made a comment...someone said...no evidence it happened.

Rodgers commented on it later, went in to detail how he doesn't think its the same thing, because he believes overinflating a ball doesn't provide an advantage.In other words, its okay if he does it.

Overinflating a ball allows it to travel further. In case there was any confusion.

you seriously can't see the difference between one QB saying he likes his ball a little harder and hopes it can he a little over inflated and pass pregame inspection, and a team letting air out AFTER the balls have been inspected?

There's a huge difference there, and I don't think any reasonable person would argue that. But there have been plenty of people, out there and in this thread, that has said that the only evidence needed to implicate the Pats is a gauge measurement at halftime showing balls under inflated. The Pats submitted balls below 12.5 in the hopes the refs won't measure them would make them guilty in this scenario. Some of this is due to ignorance, but when pressed in here a few people have actually said it doesn't matter - that even if the Pats submitted balls below 12.5 at the outset it is still cheating.

 

[shader]

I think the Patriots have already weighed the ball boy scenario and deemed it a non threat to them. I would be shocked at this point for anything to stick. You don't do what the Pats and Kraft did without being 100% sure.

Bob Kraft undoubtedly has plenty of different sources in the NFL offices (besides Goodell) who are quietly telling him how the investigation is going. It'd be an amazingly stupid move for Kraft to make his statements, unless he was sure the NFL had no concrete evidence.

Yep. No way an owner puts his neck on the line if there was anything . Far too risky.

 

[GoBirds]

Brady played the 1st half last game with balls that didnt meet regulation....11 of 12.

Sorry don't drag Rodgers into this to fit your agenda, not the same.

Rodgers made a comment...someone said...no evidence it happened.

Rodgers commented on it later, went in to detail how he doesn't think its the same thing, because he believes overinflating a ball doesn't provide an advantage.In other words, its okay if he does it.

Overinflating a ball allows it to travel further. In case there was any confusion.

you seriously can't see the difference between one QB saying he likes his ball a little harder and hopes it can he a little over inflated and pass pregame inspection, and a team letting air out AFTER the balls have been inspected?

You see the difference between one QB saying he does it, saying it isn't cheating, saying its okay that he does it - and one team being accused of cheating with little evidence.

Rodgers hopes any over inflated balls get through Ref approval before game.

Pats accused of waiting til after Ref approval then changing size after that.

You don't see difference?

 

[Morton Muffley]

Regarding the glazer report: Interesting comment from Peter king on pit tonight. He said that the NFL needs to focus on the 6-10 minute time period between when the balls left officials room and when they appeared on the field. Because at every stadium in the NFL that's the time...between 6 and 10 minutes from when the officials let the balls go and when they appear on the field"

So, not saying this exonerates the patriots but it does show that:

1. It probably isn't unusual for the balls to be taken to the field via an indirect route

And

2. It doesn't seem like either the NFL or the ball boys were treating these inspected footballs as the Fort Knox gold many are making them out to be (maybe they should have but doesn't appear that they were)

 

[GoBirds]

Todays news is that after the Refs set the weight, the Pats then took the balls and altered. Totally different.

Yea, this wasn't the news at all, but keep going on

The NFL has zeroed in on a New England Patriots locker room attendant who allegedly took the AFC Championship Game balls from the officials' locker room to another area on the way to the field, Fox Sports reported, citing sources.

 

[Run It Up]

Brady played the 1st half last game with balls that didnt meet regulation....11 of 12.

Sorry don't drag Rodgers into this to fit your agenda, not the same.

Rodgers made a comment...someone said...no evidence it happened.

Rodgers commented on it later, went in to detail how he doesn't think its the same thing, because he believes overinflating a ball doesn't provide an advantage.In other words, its okay if he does it.

Overinflating a ball allows it to travel further. In case there was any confusion.

you seriously can't see the difference between one QB saying he likes his ball a little harder and hopes it can he a little over inflated and pass pregame inspection, and a team letting air out AFTER the balls have been inspected?

You see the difference between one QB saying he does it, saying it isn't cheating, saying its okay that he does it - and one team being accused of cheating with little evidence.

Rodgers hopes any over inflated balls get through Ref approval before game.

Pats accused of waiting til after Ref approval then changing size after that.

You don't see difference?

Yes, those are clearly different beasts. Also one is completely ridiculous and never happened and the other one is Aaron Rodgers' hilarious bias.

 

[Workhorse]

They are different.

Statement one is true because Rodgers admitted it.

Statement two is pure conjecture as of today.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

So if ball boy turns into the fall guy for this even Pats fans have to admit there is no way he acted independently of Brady. There is just no scenario a ballboy alters the ball without his approval right?

They might say yes today, but if that's how it goes down 100% chance they're in here howling about a rogue ballboy/Colts plan/lone wolf.

 

[General Tso]

Regarding the glazer report: Interesting comment from Peter king on pit tonight. He said that the NFL needs to focus on the 6-10 minute time period between when the balls left officials room and when they appeared on the field. Because at every stadium in the NFL that's the time...between 6 and 10 minutes from when the officials let the balls go and when they appear on the field"

So, not saying this exonerates the patriots but it does show that:

1. It probably isn't unusual for the balls to be taken to the field via an indirect route

And

2. It doesn't seem like either the NFL or the ball boys were treating these inspected footballs as the Fort Knox gold many are making them out to be (maybe they should have but doesn't appear that they were)

There are numerous reports, undisputed and unaltered as far as I know, that the refs released the balls to the ball boys 10 minutes before kickoff. If those reports are accurate (and they came out from many sources) then that doesn't leave a lot of time for a ball boy to go into a secret room, measure and debate 12 balls, and get them to the field. It's about a 2-3 minute walk from the locker room to the sidelines. I guess it's possible for all of this to have occurred, but he would have had to haul ###.

 

[shader]

Regarding the glazer report: Interesting comment from Peter king on pit tonight. He said that the NFL needs to focus on the 6-10 minute time period between when the balls left officials room and when they appeared on the field. Because at every stadium in the NFL that's the time...between 6 and 10 minutes from when the officials let the balls go and when they appear on the field"

So, not saying this exonerates the patriots but it does show that:

1. It probably isn't unusual for the balls to be taken to the field via an indirect route

And

2. It doesn't seem like either the NFL or the ball boys were treating these inspected footballs as the Fort Knox gold many are making them out to be (maybe they should have but doesn't appear that they were)

This is where the media is so clueless about the whole thing.

The NFL needs to focus on the 6-10 minute time period....uh yeah Peter I think they know that.

In reality what Peter is missing, is the point.

The NFL needs to focus on whether weather can change the psi. If it can they need to close the case and apologize.

 

[GoBirds]

They are different.

Statement one is true because Rodgers admitted it.

Statement two is pure conjecture as of today.

How do you know statement 1 is true? It was he said she said initially? How do you know he wasn't just saying it to take heat of Brady? Thinking it would help this blow over?

 

[GoBirds]

So if ball boy turns into the fall guy for this even Pats fans have to admit there is no way he acted independently of Brady. There is just no scenario a ballboy alters the ball without his approval right?

They might say yes today, but if that's how it goes down 100% chance they're in here howling about a rogue ballboy/Colts plan/lone wolf.

They are well practiced at this obviously.

 

[Run It Up]

They are different.

Statement one is true because Rodgers admitted it.

Statement two is pure conjecture as of today.

How do you know statement 1 is true? It was he said she said initially? How do you know he wasn't just saying it to take heat of Brady? Thinking it would help this blow over?

This took places several weeks before anyone had even considered this bull####.

His following comments took place after this and specifically made the Pats situation look worse. He said there was no doubt that any of this happened without Tom knowing, then he said all the #### about overinflating isn't the same thing.

 

[James Daulton]

Regarding the glazer report: Interesting comment from Peter king on pit tonight. He said that the NFL needs to focus on the 6-10 minute time period between when the balls left officials room and when they appeared on the field. Because at every stadium in the NFL that's the time...between 6 and 10 minutes from when the officials let the balls go and when they appear on the field"

So, not saying this exonerates the patriots but it does show that:

1. It probably isn't unusual for the balls to be taken to the field via an indirect route

And

2. It doesn't seem like either the NFL or the ball boys were treating these inspected footballs as the Fort Knox gold many are making them out to be (maybe they should have but doesn't appear that they were)

This is where the media is so clueless about the whole thing.

The NFL needs to focus on the 6-10 minute time period....uh yeah Peter I think they know that.

In reality what Peter is missing, is the point.

The NFL needs to focus on whether weather can change the psi. If it can they need to close the case and apologize.

If it was the weather, why were the Colts balls different?

 

[HughHoney]

This is another level of cheating. A team employee sneaking into a room he's not authorized to be and tampering with footballs.

Kraft is gonna dig his heels in and call for an apology. He has to at this point, it's his only defense for what should be the biggest punishment the league has ever handed down.

 

[GoBirds]

Regarding the glazer report: Interesting comment from Peter king on pit tonight. He said that the NFL needs to focus on the 6-10 minute time period between when the balls left officials room and when they appeared on the field. Because at every stadium in the NFL that's the time...between 6 and 10 minutes from when the officials let the balls go and when they appear on the field"

So, not saying this exonerates the patriots but it does show that:

1. It probably isn't unusual for the balls to be taken to the field via an indirect route

And

2. It doesn't seem like either the NFL or the ball boys were treating these inspected footballs as the Fort Knox gold many are making them out to be (maybe they should have but doesn't appear that they were)

This is where the media is so clueless about the whole thing.

The NFL needs to focus on the 6-10 minute time period....uh yeah Peter I think they know that.

In reality what Peter is missing, is the point.

The NFL needs to focus on whether weather can change the psi. If it can they need to close the case and apologize.

If it was the weather, why were the Colts balls different?

Turn on any sports channel and you get the same question....Chris Carter just brought it up again. In here though there is a standard response that we can't prove they also checked the Colts balls. Of course they did.

 

[amnesiac]

THE COLTS BALLS WERE DIFFERENT!!!!

please stop with this.

it's irrelevent.

 

[The Flying Elvis]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/26/video-shows-employee-taking-24-balls-into-bathroom/

What's more likely, this employee deflated 12 of the balls in 90 seconds to somewhere between 1-2 PSI below or he was going the bathroom just before gametime?

First, per a league source, the other “area on way to field” is a bathroom. The bathroom consists of one toilet and one sink and a door that locks from the inside.

Second, according to the same source, the person carried two bags of balls into the bathroom: the 12 balls to be used by the Patriots and the 12 balls to be used by the Colts.

Third, from the same source, the evidence comes from a surveillance video that was discovered by the Patriots and given to the NFL early in the investigation.

Fourth, again from the same source, the video shows the employee in the bathroom for approximately 90 seconds.

 

[Run It Up]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/26/video-shows-employee-taking-24-balls-into-bathroom/

What's more likely, this employee deflated 12 of the balls in 90 seconds to somewhere between 1-2 PSI below or he was going the bathroom just before gametime?

First, per a league source, the other “area on way to field” is a bathroom. The bathroom consists of one toilet and one sink and a door that locks from the inside.

Second, according to the same source, the person carried two bags of balls into the bathroom: the 12 balls to be used by the Patriots and the 12 balls to be used by the Colts.

Third, from the same source, the evidence comes from a surveillance video that was discovered by the Patriots and given to the NFL early in the investigation.

Fourth, again from the same source, the video shows the employee in the bathroom for approximately 90 seconds.

The fix is in!!1

 

[Man In The Box]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/26/video-shows-employee-taking-24-balls-into-bathroom/

What's more likely, this employee deflated 12 of the balls in 90 seconds to somewhere between 1-2 PSI below or he was going the bathroom just before gametime?

First, per a league source, the other area on way to field is a bathroom. The bathroom consists of one toilet and one sink and a door that locks from the inside.

Second, according to the same source, the person carried two bags of balls into the bathroom: the 12 balls to be used by the Patriots and the 12 balls to be used by the Colts.

Third, from the same source, the evidence comes from a surveillance video that was discovered by the Patriots and given to the NFL early in the investigation.

Fourth, again from the same source, the video shows the employee in the bathroom for approximately 90 seconds.

Maybe he switched the entire bag with another bag that was in the room?

 

[Run It Up]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/26/video-shows-employee-taking-24-balls-into-bathroom/

What's more likely, this employee deflated 12 of the balls in 90 seconds to somewhere between 1-2 PSI below or he was going the bathroom just before gametime?

First, per a league source, the other area on way to field is a bathroom. The bathroom consists of one toilet and one sink and a door that locks from the inside.

Second, according to the same source, the person carried two bags of balls into the bathroom: the 12 balls to be used by the Patriots and the 12 balls to be used by the Colts.

Third, from the same source, the evidence comes from a surveillance video that was discovered by the Patriots and given to the NFL early in the investigation.

Fourth, again from the same source, the video shows the employee in the bathroom for approximately 90 seconds.

Maybe he switched the entire bag with another bag that was in the room?

Seems more plausible

 

[GoBirds]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/26/video-shows-employee-taking-24-balls-into-bathroom/

What's more likely, this employee deflated 12 of the balls in 90 seconds to somewhere between 1-2 PSI below or he was going the bathroom just before gametime?

First, per a league source, the other “area on way to field” is a bathroom. The bathroom consists of one toilet and one sink and a door that locks from the inside.

Second, according to the same source, the person carried two bags of balls into the bathroom: the 12 balls to be used by the Patriots and the 12 balls to be used by the Colts.

Third, from the same source, the evidence comes from a surveillance video that was discovered by the Patriots and given to the NFL early in the investigation.

Fourth, again from the same source, the video shows the employee in the bathroom for approximately 90 seconds.

We know what you want it to be. Should be interesting to see all this play out.

 

[mbuehner]

Regarding the glazer report: Interesting comment from Peter king on pit tonight. He said that the NFL needs to focus on the 6-10 minute time period between when the balls left officials room and when they appeared on the field. Because at every stadium in the NFL that's the time...between 6 and 10 minutes from when the officials let the balls go and when they appear on the field"

So, not saying this exonerates the patriots but it does show that:

1. It probably isn't unusual for the balls to be taken to the field via an indirect route

And

2. It doesn't seem like either the NFL or the ball boys were treating these inspected footballs as the Fort Knox gold many are making them out to be (maybe they should have but doesn't appear that they were)

This is where the media is so clueless about the whole thing.The NFL needs to focus on the 6-10 minute time period....uh yeah Peter I think they know that.

In reality what Peter is missing, is the point.

The NFL needs to focus on whether weather can change the psi. If it can they need to close the case and apologize.

If it was the weather, why were the Colts balls different?

Turn on any sports channel and you get the same question....Chris Carter just brought it up again. In here though there is a standard response that we can't prove they also checked the Colts balls. Of course they did.

We dont know that they measured ANY balls pregame. We dont know if the colts filled their balls outdoors. We dont know anything.

 

[Run It Up]

Did he wash his hands?

 

[General Tso]

Looks like the ball boy had to take a GoBirds.

 

[Old Smiley]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/26/video-shows-employee-taking-24-balls-into-bathroom/

What's more likely, this employee deflated 12 of the balls in 90 seconds to somewhere between 1-2 PSI below or he was going the bathroom just before gametime?

First, per a league source, the other “area on way to field” is a bathroom. The bathroom consists of one toilet and one sink and a door that locks from the inside.

Second, according to the same source, the person carried two bags of balls into the bathroom: the 12 balls to be used by the Patriots and the 12 balls to be used by the Colts.

Third, from the same source, the evidence comes from a surveillance video that was discovered by the Patriots and given to the NFL early in the investigation.

Fourth, again from the same source, the video shows the employee in the bathroom for approximately 90 seconds.

I don't like to yell but ARE YOU KIDDING ME WITH THESE FREAKING LEAKS!!??!!

 

[mbuehner]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/26/video-shows-employee-taking-24-balls-into-bathroom/

What's more likely, this employee deflated 12 of the balls in 90 seconds to somewhere between 1-2 PSI below or he was going the bathroom just before gametime?

First, per a league source, the other area on way to field is a bathroom. The bathroom consists of one toilet and one sink and a door that locks from the inside.

Second, according to the same source, the person carried two bags of balls into the bathroom: the 12 balls to be used by the Patriots and the 12 balls to be used by the Colts.

Third, from the same source, the evidence comes from a surveillance video that was discovered by the Patriots and given to the NFL early in the investigation.

Fourth, again from the same source, the video shows the employee in the bathroom for approximately 90 seconds.

Maybe he switched the entire bag with another bag that was in the room?

Seems more plausible

The refs mark the balls with their specific mark. Which could be faked i suppose.

 

[shader]

Regarding the glazer report: Interesting comment from Peter king on pit tonight. He said that the NFL needs to focus on the 6-10 minute time period between when the balls left officials room and when they appeared on the field. Because at every stadium in the NFL that's the time...between 6 and 10 minutes from when the officials let the balls go and when they appear on the field"

So, not saying this exonerates the patriots but it does show that:

1. It probably isn't unusual for the balls to be taken to the field via an indirect route

And

2. It doesn't seem like either the NFL or the ball boys were treating these inspected footballs as the Fort Knox gold many are making them out to be (maybe they should have but doesn't appear that they were)

This is where the media is so clueless about the whole thing.The NFL needs to focus on the 6-10 minute time period....uh yeah Peter I think they know that.

In reality what Peter is missing, is the point.

The NFL needs to focus on whether weather can change the psi. If it can they need to close the case and apologize.

If it was the weather, why were the Colts balls different?

This post is substitute for the smiley that bangs his head against the wall

 

[AB in DC]

So:

1. Jay Glazer prints a leak

2. Kraft complains about a leak

3. Ballboy takes a leak.

Did I miss anything?

 

[The Flying Elvis]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/26/video-shows-employee-taking-24-balls-into-bathroom/

What's more likely, this employee deflated 12 of the balls in 90 seconds to somewhere between 1-2 PSI below or he was going the bathroom just before gametime?

First, per a league source, the other “area on way to field” is a bathroom. The bathroom consists of one toilet and one sink and a door that locks from the inside.

Second, according to the same source, the person carried two bags of balls into the bathroom: the 12 balls to be used by the Patriots and the 12 balls to be used by the Colts.

Third, from the same source, the evidence comes from a surveillance video that was discovered by the Patriots and given to the NFL early in the investigation.

Fourth, again from the same source, the video shows the employee in the bathroom for approximately 90 seconds.

We know what you want it to be. Should be interesting to see all this play out.

Yup you caught me.

Of course the Pats could still have tampered with the balls but the *explosive* new evidence of the ball boy video probably doesn't seem to be anything of substance. This is all assuming the Florio report is accurate.

And I'll concede maybe there was an entirely new set of footballs in the bathroom that were then replaced but I'm going to have to think the Patriots didn't run an Ocean's 11 type scheme here.

 

[shader]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/26/video-shows-employee-taking-24-balls-into-bathroom/

What's more likely, this employee deflated 12 of the balls in 90 seconds to somewhere between 1-2 PSI below or he was going the bathroom just before gametime?

First, per a league source, the other area on way to field is a bathroom. The bathroom consists of one toilet and one sink and a door that locks from the inside.

Second, according to the same source, the person carried two bags of balls into the bathroom: the 12 balls to be used by the Patriots and the 12 balls to be used by the Colts.

Third, from the same source, the evidence comes from a surveillance video that was discovered by the Patriots and given to the NFL early in the investigation.

Fourth, again from the same source, the video shows the employee in the bathroom for approximately 90 seconds.

Boy he pees fast

 

[Run It Up]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/26/video-shows-employee-taking-24-balls-into-bathroom/

What's more likely, this employee deflated 12 of the balls in 90 seconds to somewhere between 1-2 PSI below or he was going the bathroom just before gametime?

First, per a league source, the other “area on way to field” is a bathroom. The bathroom consists of one toilet and one sink and a door that locks from the inside.

Second, according to the same source, the person carried two bags of balls into the bathroom: the 12 balls to be used by the Patriots and the 12 balls to be used by the Colts.

Third, from the same source, the evidence comes from a surveillance video that was discovered by the Patriots and given to the NFL early in the investigation.

Fourth, again from the same source, the video shows the employee in the bathroom for approximately 90 seconds.

I don't like to yell but ARE YOU KIDDING ME WITH THESE FREAKING LEAKS!!??!!

The aftershocks are coming quicker now. The ####quake on the horizon might change the face of the game forever.

My bet, Jim Irsay paid Brett Favre to deflate the balls.

 

[GoBirds]

Looks like the ball boy had to take a GoBirds.

Looks like somebody still has some lil hurt feelings? Go re-watch the BB interview a few times that got you so excited and practice your ignore function you keep talking about.

 

[General Tso]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/26/video-shows-employee-taking-24-balls-into-bathroom/

What's more likely, this employee deflated 12 of the balls in 90 seconds to somewhere between 1-2 PSI below or he was going the bathroom just before gametime?

First, per a league source, the other area on way to field is a bathroom. The bathroom consists of one toilet and one sink and a door that locks from the inside.Second, according to the same source, the person carried two bags of balls into the bathroom: the 12 balls to be used by the Patriots and the 12 balls to be used by the Colts.Third, from the same source, the evidence comes from a surveillance video that was discovered by the Patriots and given to the NFL early in the investigation.Fourth, again from the same source, the video shows the employee in the bathroom for approximately 90 seconds.

Maybe he switched the entire bag with another bag that was in the room?

except for the fact that there'd be video evidence of someone eventually taking the other bag of balls out of the bathroom

 

[GoBirds]

Looks like the ball boy had to take a GoBirds.

Looks like somebody still has some lil hurt feelings? Go re-watch the BB interview a few times that got you so excited and practice your ignore function you keep talking about.

 

[shader]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/26/video-shows-employee-taking-24-balls-into-bathroom/

What's more likely, this employee deflated 12 of the balls in 90 seconds to somewhere between 1-2 PSI below or he was going the bathroom just before gametime?

First, per a league source, the other area on way to field is a bathroom. The bathroom consists of one toilet and one sink and a door that locks from the inside.

Second, according to the same source, the person carried two bags of balls into the bathroom: the 12 balls to be used by the Patriots and the 12 balls to be used by the Colts.

Third, from the same source, the evidence comes from a surveillance video that was discovered by the Patriots and given to the NFL early in the investigation.

Fourth, again from the same source, the video shows the employee in the bathroom for approximately 90 seconds.

We know what you want it to be. Should be interesting to see all this play out.

Yup you caught me.

Of course the Pats could still have tampered with the balls but the *explosive* new evidence of the ball boy video probably doesn't seem to be anything of substance. This is all assuming the Florio report is accurate.

And I'll concede maybe there was an entirely new set of footballs in the bathroom that were then replaced but I'm going to have to think the Patriots didn't run an Ocean's 11 type scheme here.

Replacing the balls with an all new bag would be a huge deal. But if that were the case, There would be surveillance video of the bag of balls being taken to the bathroom....unless they used the ventilation system to transport the balls to the bathroom!

 

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/26/video-shows-employee-taking-24-balls-into-bathroom/

What's more likely, this employee deflated 12 of the balls in 90 seconds to somewhere between 1-2 PSI below or he was going the bathroom just before gametime?

First, per a league source, the other area on way to field is a bathroom. The bathroom consists of one toilet and one sink and a door that locks from the inside.Second, according to the same source, the person carried two bags of balls into the bathroom: the 12 balls to be used by the Patriots and the 12 balls to be used by the Colts.Third, from the same source, the evidence comes from a surveillance video that was discovered by the Patriots and given to the NFL early in the investigation.Fourth, again from the same source, the video shows the employee in the bathroom for approximately 90 seconds.

Maybe he switched the entire bag with another bag that was in the room?

except for the fact that there'd be video evidence of someone eventually taking the other bag of balls out of the bathroom

Obviously the Pats have a secret entrance into that bathroom

 

[flapgreen]

Kraft wants an apology.... Waaaaaaahaaaaaaa

 

[General Tso]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/26/video-shows-employee-taking-24-balls-into-bathroom/

What's more likely, this employee deflated 12 of the balls in 90 seconds to somewhere between 1-2 PSI below or he was going the bathroom just before gametime?

First, per a league source, the other area on way to field is a bathroom. The bathroom consists of one toilet and one sink and a door that locks from the inside.Second, according to the same source, the person carried two bags of balls into the bathroom: the 12 balls to be used by the Patriots and the 12 balls to be used by the Colts.Third, from the same source, the evidence comes from a surveillance video that was discovered by the Patriots and given to the NFL early in the investigation.Fourth, again from the same source, the video shows the employee in the bathroom for approximately 90 seconds.

Maybe he switched the entire bag with another bag that was in the room?

except for the fact that there'd be video evidence of someone eventually taking the other bag of balls out of the bathroom

Obviously the Pats have a secret entrance into that bathroom

Obviously. Duh.Someone could have easily gone through the ventilation system. In fact, that IS EXACTLY what happened, and I have proof. The proof is, the Pats are known cheaters. And then there's the lack of fumbles the last few years. And what about Bill Nye the Science Guy?

You Pat fans just don't want to look at the facts, do you? Sad really.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Ya know, I actually kind of agree that I don't think BB/Kraft would have gone this far all-in if they knew of any shenanigans. If they are found guilty of anything at this point it's going to be 1000x times worse. If they had kept quiet ("we're focusing on the Seahawks"), or maybe even said "yeah, we try to push the limits and this time we went just a tad too far by mistake, we apologize and it won't happen again" then I think all that would have come of it in the long-terms is that every so often someone brings it up in a message board post where 95% of the people reading it just blow it off.

Now though, if they're found guilty of anything, after they looked into our eyes and said "America, we did absolutely nothing wrong, we promise", then they're done for. Brady no longer talked about in the conversation of greatest QBs of all-time. Bellichick no longer talked about in the conversation of greatest coaches of all-time. It extends way beyond this year and everyone just assumes that they've been lying and cheating the whole time.

I don't think they'd put that on the line unless they were certain of their innocence.

The problem with that is they now get dragged down with it if anyone is guilty. Maybe the ball boy did it on his own accord. Maybe Brady said "hey Timmy, it's wet out there today, let's see if we can't eek just a tiny bit of air out of those balls" and he took it too far. Either way, Kraft/BB go down with the ship if any of that is proven, even though I fully believe that either of those scenarios are for more likely than them being in the know.

Regardless, I don't think we'll ever know for sure. Assuming all the reports are true, or close to true, we have a lot of circumstantial evidence, but no proof. The kid just says he was taking a pee and there's nothing that can be done about that. There's obviously no cameras in the bathroom. We'll never know what really happened in there. So even though we have a series of incidents that seem to point to one conclusion (balls were tested good, ball-boy disappears with them for 90 seconds, balls are deflated at half-time but the Colts' balls aren't) there is no hard proof of it and it's difficult to punish based on that. Although to be fair, Goodell has said that NFL inquiries should not have to stand up to the standards of a court of law in terms of completely undeniable evidence, so that could work against them.

As an aside, if those reports are true that the ball-boy was carrying all the balls and took them all into the bathroom, doesn't that put a big dent in the theory that maybe the Colts' balls didn't deflate because they were already outside when they were inflated?

 

[Old Smiley]

I want somebody very good, very
safe to plant that gun. I don't
want my brother coming out of that
toilet with just his #### in his
hand.

 

[mbuehner]

Why do you guys have to overcomplicate everything? Occams Razor suggests the Pats built an identical hallway offsite, swapped the feed inside the 80 hertz power cycling so there was no flicker, moved in a handpicked expert ball deflating crew, moved them out, flashbang, fake decoy balls get moved into an ambulance, chopper extraction, airport, repel into Gulfstream, sippin Pinas in Cost Rica til the heat is off.

Easy peasy.

 

[Man In The Box]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/26/video-shows-employee-taking-24-balls-into-bathroom/

What's more likely, this employee deflated 12 of the balls in 90 seconds to somewhere between 1-2 PSI below or he was going the bathroom just before gametime?

First, per a league source, the other area on way to field is a bathroom. The bathroom consists of one toilet and one sink and a door that locks from the inside.Second, according to the same source, the person carried two bags of balls into the bathroom: the 12 balls to be used by the Patriots and the 12 balls to be used by the Colts.Third, from the same source, the evidence comes from a surveillance video that was discovered by the Patriots and given to the NFL early in the investigation.Fourth, again from the same source, the video shows the employee in the bathroom for approximately 90 seconds.

Maybe he switched the entire bag with another bag that was in the room?

except for the fact that there'd be video evidence of someone eventually taking the other bag of balls out of the bathroom

Obviously the Pats have a secret entrance into that bathroom

Obviously. Duh.Someone could have easily gone through the ventilation system. In fact, that IS EXACTLY what happened, and I have proof. The proof is, the Pats are known cheaters. And then there's the lack of fumbles the last few years. And what about Bill Nye the Science Guy?

You Pat fans just don't want to look at the facts, do you? Sad really.

Nice to see you're still being objective about this thing.

Nevermind me. I'm just a salty troll helping Limpy win his bet.