Patriots being investigated after Colts game (1 Viewer)

[General Tso]

I kind of wish I didn't put GoBirds and Galdalf the Grey on ignore now. Eh, it's past their bedtime anyway. They're in mid snooze having dreams about the Pro Bowl game last night.

 

[shader]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/26/video-shows-employee-taking-24-balls-into-bathroom/

What's more likely, this employee deflated 12 of the balls in 90 seconds to somewhere between 1-2 PSI below or he was going the bathroom just before gametime?

First, per a league source, the other area on way to field is a bathroom. The bathroom consists of one toilet and one sink and a door that locks from the inside.Second, according to the same source, the person carried two bags of balls into the bathroom: the 12 balls to be used by the Patriots and the 12 balls to be used by the Colts.Third, from the same source, the evidence comes from a surveillance video that was discovered by the Patriots and given to the NFL early in the investigation.Fourth, again from the same source, the video shows the employee in the bathroom for approximately 90 seconds.

Maybe he switched the entire bag with another bag that was in the room?

except for the fact that there'd be video evidence of someone eventually taking the other bag of balls out of the bathroom

Obviously the Pats have a secret entrance into that bathroom

Obviously. Duh.Someone could have easily gone through the ventilation system. In fact, that IS EXACTLY what happened, and I have proof. The proof is, the Pats are known cheaters. And then there's the lack of fumbles the last few years. And what about Bill Nye the Science Guy?

You Pat fans just don't want to look at the facts, do you? Sad really.

And the Colts balls, you forgot the Colts balls. How do we know the Colts balls were fine. Because of, er...chris mortensen

 

[Chaz McNulty]

Hopefully the video tapes don't over-write themselves to quickly. This way they could check to see if this ball boy took the same route to the field for every home game.

They should be able to check on the tapes for some away games too.

 

[Morton Muffley]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/26/video-shows-employee-taking-24-balls-into-bathroom/

What's more likely, this employee deflated 12 of the balls in 90 seconds to somewhere between 1-2 PSI below or he was going the bathroom just before gametime?

First, per a league source, the other area on way to field is a bathroom. The bathroom consists of one toilet and one sink and a door that locks from the inside.Second, according to the same source, the person carried two bags of balls into the bathroom: the 12 balls to be used by the Patriots and the 12 balls to be used by the Colts.Third, from the same source, the evidence comes from a surveillance video that was discovered by the Patriots and given to the NFL early in the investigation.Fourth, again from the same source, the video shows the employee in the bathroom for approximately 90 seconds.

Maybe he switched the entire bag with another bag that was in the room?

except for the fact that there'd be video evidence of someone eventually taking the other bag of balls out of the bathroom

Obviously the Pats have a secret entrance into that bathroom

Obviously. Duh.Someone could have easily gone through the ventilation system. In fact, that IS EXACTLY what happened, and I have proof. The proof is, the Pats are known cheaters. And then there's the lack of fumbles the last few years. And what about Bill Nye the Science Guy?

You Pat fans just don't want to look at the facts, do you? Sad really.

I am glad you can laugh about this but unfortunately this is all the evidence the haters need. It won't matter if they have pre game inspection psi readings and halftime psi readings that are explained by weather. It will be thus 90 second piss break that will lead every story about deflate gate as proof of shenanigans. Do you not understand the simplicity of the average American? This is all that was needed!

 

[General Tso]

I want somebody very good, very

safe to plant that gun. I don't

want my brother coming out of that

toilet with just his #### in his

hand.

LOL! I just had visions of a bicycle pump taped to the back of the toilet!

 

[mbuehner]

Hopefully the video tapes don't over-write themselves to quickly. This way they could check to see if this ball boy took the same route to the field for every home game.

They should be able to check on the tapes for some away games too.

Youre suggesting the Pats ballboy breaks into away buildings, aassumedly neutralizes the home team ball boys, steals balls, deflates, returns, ressestates ball boys, Costa Rica?

 

[mbuehner]

I want somebody very good, very

safe to plant that gun. I don't

want my brother coming out of that

toilet with just his #### in his

hand.

LOL! I just had visions of a bicycle pump taped to the back of the toilet!

That just made my night.

 

[shader]

Ya know, I actually kind of agree that I don't think BB/Kraft would have gone this far all-in if they knew of any shenanigans. If they are found guilty of anything at this point it's going to be 1000x times worse. If they had kept quiet ("we're focusing on the Seahawks"), or maybe even said "yeah, we try to push the limits and this time we went just a tad too far by mistake, we apologize and it won't happen again" then I think all that would have come of it in the long-terms is that every so often someone brings it up in a message board post where 95% of the people reading it just blow it off.

Now though, if they're found guilty of anything, after they looked into our eyes and said "America, we did absolutely nothing wrong, we promise", then they're done for. Brady no longer talked about in the conversation of greatest QBs of all-time. Bellichick no longer talked about in the conversation of greatest coaches of all-time. It extends way beyond this year and everyone just assumes that they've been lying and cheating the whole time.

I don't think they'd put that on the line unless they were certain of their innocence.

The problem with that is they now get dragged down with it if anyone is guilty. Maybe the ball boy did it on his own accord. Maybe Brady said "hey Timmy, it's wet out there today, let's see if we can't eek just a tiny bit of air out of those balls" and he took it too far. Either way, Kraft/BB go down with the ship if any of that is proven, even though I fully believe that either of those scenarios are for more likely than them being in the know.

Regardless, I don't think we'll ever know for sure. Assuming all the reports are true, or close to true, we have a lot of circumstantial evidence, but no proof. The kid just says he was taking a pee and there's nothing that can be done about that. There's obviously no cameras in the bathroom. We'll never know what really happened in there. So even though we have a series of incidents that seem to point to one conclusion (balls were tested good, ball-boy disappears with them for 90 seconds, balls are deflated at half-time but the Colts' balls aren't) there is no hard proof of it and it's difficult to punish based on that. Although to be fair, Goodell has said that NFL inquiries should not have to stand up to the standards of a court of law in terms of completely undeniable evidence, so that could work against them.

As an aside, if those reports are true that the ball-boy was carrying all the balls and took them all into the bathroom, doesn't that put a big dent in the theory that maybe the Colts' balls didn't deflate because they were already outside when they were inflated?

Some fair points. It's nice to see some people thinking about this and being willing to change their opinions.

I would take issue with the statement that "we may never know". I mean if there isn't may proof of wrongdoing and if we've proven that psi can change, than why are we suspecting that something wrong was done, but we may never know? At some point people need to say, you know what, they were innocent and it was a ridiculous investigation.

 

[The Kerminator]

So:

1. Jay Glazer prints a leak

2. Kraft complains about a leak

3. Ballboy takes a leak.

Did I miss anything?

Yes, the bladder in the balls leaks.

 

[GoBirds]

Hopefully the video tapes don't over-write themselves to quickly. This way they could check to see if this ball boy took the same route to the field for every home game.

They should be able to check on the tapes for some away games too.

BB claimed he didn't know psi on Thursday. By Saturday he did Science!

Although the ballboy carried both teams balls out, the Colts balls must have been inflated outside....that's how they magically were within regulation.

This issue is DEAD!

 

[General Tso]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/26/video-shows-employee-taking-24-balls-into-bathroom/

What's more likely, this employee deflated 12 of the balls in 90 seconds to somewhere between 1-2 PSI below or he was going the bathroom just before gametime?

First, per a league source, the other area on way to field is a bathroom. The bathroom consists of one toilet and one sink and a door that locks from the inside.Second, according to the same source, the person carried two bags of balls into the bathroom: the 12 balls to be used by the Patriots and the 12 balls to be used by the Colts.Third, from the same source, the evidence comes from a surveillance video that was discovered by the Patriots and given to the NFL early in the investigation.Fourth, again from the same source, the video shows the employee in the bathroom for approximately 90 seconds.

Maybe he switched the entire bag with another bag that was in the room?

except for the fact that there'd be video evidence of someone eventually taking the other bag of balls out of the bathroom

Obviously the Pats have a secret entrance into that bathroom

Obviously. Duh.Someone could have easily gone through the ventilation system. In fact, that IS EXACTLY what happened, and I have proof. The proof is, the Pats are known cheaters. And then there's the lack of fumbles the last few years. And what about Bill Nye the Science Guy?

You Pat fans just don't want to look at the facts, do you? Sad really.

I am glad you can laugh about this but unfortunately this is all the evidence the haters need. It won't matter if they have pre game inspection psi readings and halftime psi readings that are explained by weather. It will be thus 90 second piss break that will lead every story about deflate gate as proof of shenanigans. Do you not understand the simplicity of the average American? This is all that was needed!

No way. 90 seconds? Are you kidding me? When I heard that statement read on EEI I literally spit out my soda laughing. I was worried that he disappeared into the locker room for 5 minutes. A one person bathroom for 90 seconds? That would require 7.5 seconds to deflate each ball. Not a ####### chance.Nope. At this point I'm willing to go all-in myself. I don't think it's any accident that the NFL leaked this new info right after Kraft railed them this evening. Game, set and match. Ovah.

 

[mbuehner]

Hopefully the video tapes don't over-write themselves to quickly. This way they could check to see if this ball boy took the same route to the field for every home game.

They should be able to check on the tapes for some away games too.

BB claimed he didn't know psi on Thursday. By Saturday he did Science!

This issue is DEAD!

Oh we learned learning is hard.

 

[GoBirds]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/26/video-shows-employee-taking-24-balls-into-bathroom/

What's more likely, this employee deflated 12 of the balls in 90 seconds to somewhere between 1-2 PSI below or he was going the bathroom just before gametime?

First, per a league source, the other area on way to field is a bathroom. The bathroom consists of one toilet and one sink and a door that locks from the inside.Second, according to the same source, the person carried two bags of balls into the bathroom: the 12 balls to be used by the Patriots and the 12 balls to be used by the Colts.Third, from the same source, the evidence comes from a surveillance video that was discovered by the Patriots and given to the NFL early in the investigation.Fourth, again from the same source, the video shows the employee in the bathroom for approximately 90 seconds.

Maybe he switched the entire bag with another bag that was in the room?

except for the fact that there'd be video evidence of someone eventually taking the other bag of balls out of the bathroom

Obviously the Pats have a secret entrance into that bathroom

Obviously. Duh.Someone could have easily gone through the ventilation system. In fact, that IS EXACTLY what happened, and I have proof. The proof is, the Pats are known cheaters. And then there's the lack of fumbles the last few years. And what about Bill Nye the Science Guy?

You Pat fans just don't want to look at the facts, do you? Sad really.

I am glad you can laugh about this but unfortunately this is all the evidence the haters need. It won't matter if they have pre game inspection psi readings and halftime psi readings that are explained by weather. It will be thus 90 second piss break that will lead every story about deflate gate as proof of shenanigans. Do you not understand the simplicity of the average American? This is all that was needed!

No way. 90 seconds? Are you kidding me? When I heard that statement read on EEI I literally spit out my soda laughing. I was worried that he disappeared into the locker room for 5 minutes. A one person bathroom for 90 seconds? That would require 7.5 seconds to deflate each ball. No a ####### chance.Nope. At this point I'm willing to go all-in myself. I don't think it's any accident that the NFL leaked this new info right after Kraft railed them this evening. Game set and match. Ovah.

Between BB presser and 90 second estimate the general has solved this, dead issue! Move on people!

 

[12punch]

am I supposed to believe there aren't cameras in the bathroom at a pats facility?

 

[the moops]

Todays news is that after the Refs set the weight, the Pats then took the balls and altered. Totally different.

Yea, this wasn't the news at all, but keep going on

The NFL has zeroed in on a New England Patriots locker room attendant who allegedly took the AFC Championship Game balls from the officials' locker room to another area on the way to the field, Fox Sports reported, citing sources.

I'm looking for the news about someone from the Patriots altering the footballs. You sure that is the correct link?

 

[the moops]

am I supposed to believe there aren't cameras in the bathroom at a pats facility?

You think teams make habits of filming people going to the bathroom?

 

[Road Warriors]

am I supposed to believe there aren't cameras in the bathroom at a pats facility?

You think teams make habits of filming people going to the bathroom?

Well, we do know the Pats like their video....

 

[GoBirds]

Todays news is that after the Refs set the weight, the Pats then took the balls and altered. Totally different.

Yea, this wasn't the news at all, but keep going on

The NFL has zeroed in on a New England Patriots locker room attendant who allegedly took the AFC Championship Game balls from the officials' locker room to another area on the way to the field, Fox Sports reported, citing sources.

I'm looking for the news about someone from the Patriots altering the footballs. You sure that is the correct link?

That's why there's an investigation and everyone in your organization has to hold a press conference to convince the world they don't cheat anymore. Keep up.

 

[shader]

am I supposed to believe there aren't cameras in the bathroom at a pats facility?

You think teams make habits of filming people going to the bathroom?

This is the Pats we are talking about. If it happens in that stadium, Bill Belichick knows about it.

 

[General Tso]

It's pretty clear there are two leaky faucets a the NFL. We see anti-Pats leaks come out, reported by Glazer and others, followed by clarification hours later from Florio that makes the evidence far less damning. Someone is out to get the Pats in the NFL Offices, and my money is on Kensile. That'll be the next investigation.

 

[Insomniac]

As an aside, if those reports are true that the ball-boy was carrying all the balls and took them all into the bathroom, doesn't that put a big dent in the theory that maybe the Colts' balls didn't deflate because they were already outside when they were inflated?

No. The balls were being brought onto the field after they'd been inspected/inflated/deflated by the refs.

If the temperature was a factor it requires that the Patriots balls were stored in a heated location (say the locker/equipment room ) and the Colts balls were in an unheated area prior to being brought to the refs. If that's the case the air temp in the balls at inspection would be ~70 degrees for the Patriots and ~50 degrees for the Colts balls. In that scenario the lower temperature would change the pressure in the Patriots balls but would not in the Colts balls.

 

[12punch]

Hopefully the video tapes don't over-write themselves to quickly. This way they could check to see if this ball boy took the same route to the field for every home game.

They should be able to check on the tapes for some away games too.

none of that stuff is tapes anymore

it's all on hdd and they can store a ####load

 

[12punch]

And, yes, the photo accompanying this story was taken inside one of the bathrooms at Gillette Stadium. When NBC broadcast the Ravens-Patriots playoff game from Foxboro on January 10, Florio Jr. demanded pictures from the venue. Since he didn’t specify where he wanted them from, I took one inside the bathroom and texted it to him.

He didn’t think it was funny

lolz

 

[BustedKnuckles]

This topic is actually outdoing the Aaron Hernandez thread

 

[BustedKnuckles]

As an aside, if those reports are true that the ball-boy was carrying all the balls and took them all into the bathroom, doesn't that put a big dent in the theory that maybe the Colts' balls didn't deflate because they were already outside when they were inflated?

No. The balls were being brought onto the field after they'd been inspected/inflated/deflated by the refs.

If the temperature was a factor it requires that the Patriots balls were stored in a heated location (say the locker/equipment room ) and the Colts balls were in an unheated area prior to being brought to the refs. If that's the case the air temp in the balls at inspection would be ~70 degrees for the Patriots and ~50 degrees for the Colts balls. In that scenario the lower temperature would change the pressure in the Patriots balls but would not in the Colts balls.

Your avatar is my latest tattoo...dirty harry at his best

 

[shader]

I will say, there is something kind of funny about the NFL acting as if their standards of preparing their game balls are so rigorously followed, and then they put the balls in a sack and some pimply teenager strolls down the hall with them, stops to pre, and then wanders onto the field when he feels like it.

 

[12punch]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/26/video-shows-employee-taking-24-balls-into-bathroom/

What's more likely, this employee deflated 12 of the balls in 90 seconds to somewhere between 1-2 PSI below or he was going the bathroom just before gametime?

First, per a league source, the other “area on way to field” is a bathroom. The bathroom consists of one toilet and one sink and a door that locks from the inside.

Second, according to the same source, the person carried two bags of balls into the bathroom: the 12 balls to be used by the Patriots and the 12 balls to be used by the Colts.

Third, from the same source, the evidence comes from a surveillance video that was discovered by the Patriots and given to the NFL early in the investigation.

Fourth, again from the same source, the video shows the employee in the bathroom for approximately 90 seconds.

I don't like to yell but ARE YOU KIDDING ME WITH THESE FREAKING LEAKS!!??!!

you don't know what he was doing in there --- could've just been washing his hands

 

[The Kerminator]

I will say, there is something kind of funny about the NFL acting as if their standards of preparing their game balls are so rigorously followed, and then they put the balls in a sack and some pimply teenager strolls down the hall with them, stops to pre, and then wanders onto the field when he feels like it.

Do we know he was pimply? Got any video evidence of that?

 

[12punch]

Hopefully the video tapes don't over-write themselves to quickly. This way they could check to see if this ball boy took the same route to the field for every home game.

They should be able to check on the tapes for some away games too.

BB claimed he didn't know psi on Thursday.By Saturday he did Science!

This issue is DEAD!

Oh we learned learning is hard.

we learned about half the population is at a 3rd grade level on science education

 

[12punch]

I will say, there is something kind of funny about the NFL acting as if their standards of preparing their game balls are so rigorously followed, and then they put the balls in a sack and some pimply teenager strolls down the hall with them, stops to pre, and then wanders onto the field when he feels like it.

well, they aren't solid gold footballs

 

[BustedKnuckles]

As an aside, if those reports are true that the ball-boy was carrying all the balls and took them all into the bathroom, doesn't that put a big dent in the theory that maybe the Colts' balls didn't deflate because they were already outside when they were inflated?

No. The balls were being brought onto the field after they'd been inspected/inflated/deflated by the refs.

If the temperature was a factor it requires that the Patriots balls were stored in a heated location (say the locker/equipment room ) and the Colts balls were in an unheated area prior to being brought to the refs. If that's the case the air temp in the balls at inspection would be ~70 degrees for the Patriots and ~50 degrees for the Colts balls. In that scenario the lower temperature would change the pressure in the Patriots balls but would not in the Colts balls.

Your avatar is my latest tattoo...dirty harry at his best

posted a pic...its from my tat guys face book...i hope you can see it

 

[Green and Gold]

his is another level of cheating. A team employee sneaking into a room he's not authorized to be and tampering with footballs.

Kraft is gonna dig his heels in and call for an apology. He has to at this point, it's his only defense for what should be the biggest punishment the league has ever handed down.

So, you're saying that this is worse than...

1) Taping defensive signals

2) Circumventing the cap

3) Intentionally injuring opposing players

...because he went into a bathroom for 90 seconds before going on the field?

 

[Insomniac]

Hopefully the video tapes don't over-write themselves to quickly. This way they could check to see if this ball boy took the same route to the field for every home game.

They should be able to check on the tapes for some away games too.

BB claimed he didn't know psi on Thursday.By Saturday he did Science!

This issue is DEAD!

Oh we learned learning is hard.

we learned about half the population is at a 3rd grade level on science education

You're overrating the population.

 

[zftcg]

I will say, there is something kind of funny about the NFL acting as if their standards of preparing their game balls are so rigorously followed, and then they put the balls in a sack and some pimply teenager strolls down the hall with them, stops to pre, and then wanders onto the field when he feels like it.

Do we know he was pimply? Got any video evidence of that?

Two league sources. Also, a Facebook page which may or may not be his "likes" Clearisil.

 

[12punch]

ok, all joking aside, I though camerainplainviewgate was pretty much like waking up one day in a mental hospital, but this is some next level ####.

if the pats are back here again next year there will be some other nonsense bomb dropped, but this will never be topped

never....in all nfl existance....will this be able to be topped.

this is the one record in sports that will never be broken

I feel so much sympathy for brady, belichick, kraft, and everyone that had to waste their time on this mental patient jabbering

 

[GridironMenace]

Man, that ball boy is going to get PAID if he keeps his mouth shut. He's going to be fired and the next time you'll see him, he'll be laying on a beach chair, in Hawaii, sippin' on some sizzurp right before he gets into his Aston Martin on his way back to his beach house.

 

[General Tso]

#defegate

 

[Chaz McNulty]

A couple questions to the Pats fans.

If it comes out that all the Colts and Pats balls were all weighed pregame and it is found out that the Colts balls had a negligible drop of .1 psi while the Pats balls all lost 2 pounds, will you then drop the PSI angle and admit that something else must have caused the balls to deflate?

If it is found out that an equipment guy deflated the ball, would you believe he was doing it completely on his own accord if Brady and Belicheck still denied any involvement?

I'm just wondering how far the burden of proof needs to go. Do we need to find Brady with a pump needle stuck up his ### and a videotape of Belickeck giving him the pump?

 

[12punch]

#defegate

that is so much better --- I was thinking stoppedtopeegate

the whizz heard 'round the world

 

[12punch]

A couple questions to the Pats fans.

If it comes out that all the Colts and Pats balls were all weighed pregame and it is found out that the Colts balls had a negligible drop of .1 psi while the Pats balls all lost 2 pounds, will you then drop the PSI angle and admit that something else must have caused the balls to deflate?

If it is found out that an equipment guy deflated the ball, would you believe he was doing it completely on his own accord if Brady and Belicheck still denied any involvement?

I'm just wondering how far the burden of proof needs to go. Do we need to find Brady with a pump needle stuck up his ### and a videotape of Belickeck giving him the pump?

I think the question is what would it take for trolls to stop trolling?

come up with 6 random hypotheticals for me --- my imagination isn't so great

 

[The General]

Brady's balls forever unclean.

 

[Chaz McNulty]

A couple questions to the Pats fans.

If it comes out that all the Colts and Pats balls were all weighed pregame and it is found out that the Colts balls had a negligible drop of .1 psi while the Pats balls all lost 2 pounds, will you then drop the PSI angle and admit that something else must have caused the balls to deflate?

If it is found out that an equipment guy deflated the ball, would you believe he was doing it completely on his own accord if Brady and Belicheck still denied any involvement?

I'm just wondering how far the burden of proof needs to go. Do we need to find Brady with a pump needle stuck up his ### and a videotape of Belickeck giving him the pump?

I think the question is what would it take for trolls to stop trolling?

come up with 6 random hypotheticals for me --- my imagination isn't so great

Someone asked the question a couple pages back and not one Patrior fan answered. Seriously, do we need video evidence to convict.

 

[rockaction]

A couple questions to the Pats fans.

If it comes out that all the Colts and Pats balls were all weighed pregame and it is found out that the Colts balls had a negligible drop of .1 psi while the Pats balls all lost 2 pounds, will you then drop the PSI angle and admit that something else must have caused the balls to deflate?

If it is found out that an equipment guy deflated the ball, would you believe he was doing it completely on his own accord if Brady and Belicheck still denied any involvement?

I'm just wondering how far the burden of proof needs to go. Do we need to find Brady with a pump needle stuck up his ### and a videotape of Belickeck giving him the pump?

I think the question is what would it take for trolls to stop trolling?

come up with 6 random hypotheticals for me --- my imagination isn't so great

Someone asked the question a couple pages back and not one Patrior fan answered. Seriously, do we need video evidence to convict.

Yeah, about that. Really. You're not going to turn back probably the worst fan base in the NFL (my opinion).

 

[Old Smiley]

A couple questions to the Pats fans.

If it comes out that all the Colts and Pats balls were all weighed pregame and it is found out that the Colts balls had a negligible drop of .1 psi while the Pats balls all lost 2 pounds, will you then drop the PSI angle and admit that something else must have caused the balls to deflate?

If it is found out that an equipment guy deflated the ball, would you believe he was doing it completely on his own accord if Brady and Belicheck still denied any involvement?

I'm just wondering how far the burden of proof needs to go. Do we need to find Brady with a pump needle stuck up his ### and a videotape of Belickeck giving him the pump?

I'd say, okay, let's everybody do the exact same thing say, four or five more times. If the same thing happens, that will be informative. If a different thing happens, that will be informative, too.

I'm so mad about how the league has handled this, I don't know if I care WHAT gets found out.

How about you? Happy with the people who run your sport? Happy that one team is getting a total mind #### done to them the week of the championship game?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

A couple questions to the Pats fans.

If it comes out that all the Colts and Pats balls were all weighed pregame and it is found out that the Colts balls had a negligible drop of .1 psi while the Pats balls all lost 2 pounds, will you then drop the PSI angle and admit that something else must have caused the balls to deflate?

If it is found out that an equipment guy deflated the ball, would you believe he was doing it completely on his own accord if Brady and Belicheck still denied any involvement?

I'm just wondering how far the burden of proof needs to go. Do we need to find Brady with a pump needle stuck up his ### and a videotape of Belickeck giving him the pump?

I think the question is what would it take for trolls to stop trolling?

come up with 6 random hypotheticals for me --- my imagination isn't so great

Someone asked the question a couple pages back and not one Patrior fan answered. Seriously, do we need video evidence to convict.

solid ''proof'' will do

 

[12punch]

A couple questions to the Pats fans.

If it comes out that all the Colts and Pats balls were all weighed pregame and it is found out that the Colts balls had a negligible drop of .1 psi while the Pats balls all lost 2 pounds, will you then drop the PSI angle and admit that something else must have caused the balls to deflate?

If it is found out that an equipment guy deflated the ball, would you believe he was doing it completely on his own accord if Brady and Belicheck still denied any involvement?

I'm just wondering how far the burden of proof needs to go. Do we need to find Brady with a pump needle stuck up his ### and a videotape of Belickeck giving him the pump?

I think the question is what would it take for trolls to stop trolling?

come up with 6 random hypotheticals for me --- my imagination isn't so great

Someone asked the question a couple pages back and not one Patrior fan answered. Seriously, do we need video evidence to convict.

so, some troll attempted trolling pats fans with a made up imaginary hypothetical situation about absolute jabbering nonsense and didn't get a nibble??

maybe some trolls gotta up their game

either that or he was already on 20 ignore lists

 

[Chaz McNulty]

A couple questions to the Pats fans.

If it comes out that all the Colts and Pats balls were all weighed pregame and it is found out that the Colts balls had a negligible drop of .1 psi while the Pats balls all lost 2 pounds, will you then drop the PSI angle and admit that something else must have caused the balls to deflate?

If it is found out that an equipment guy deflated the ball, would you believe he was doing it completely on his own accord if Brady and Belicheck still denied any involvement?

I'm just wondering how far the burden of proof needs to go. Do we need to find Brady with a pump needle stuck up his ### and a videotape of Belickeck giving him the pump?

I think the question is what would it take for trolls to stop trolling?

come up with 6 random hypotheticals for me --- my imagination isn't so great

Someone asked the question a couple pages back and not one Patrior fan answered. Seriously, do we need video evidence to convict.

solid ''proof'' will do

Would all the Patriots balls losing 2psi and all the Colts balls losing .1psi be solid proof that the balls were tampered with?

 

[12punch]

A couple questions to the Pats fans.

If it comes out that all the Colts and Pats balls were all weighed pregame and it is found out that the Colts balls had a negligible drop of .1 psi while the Pats balls all lost 2 pounds, will you then drop the PSI angle and admit that something else must have caused the balls to deflate?

If it is found out that an equipment guy deflated the ball, would you believe he was doing it completely on his own accord if Brady and Belicheck still denied any involvement?

I'm just wondering how far the burden of proof needs to go. Do we need to find Brady with a pump needle stuck up his ### and a videotape of Belickeck giving him the pump?

I'd say, okay, let's everybody do the exact same thing say, four or five more times. If the same thing happens, that will be informative. If a different thing happens, that will be informative, too.

I'm so mad about how the league has handled this, I don't know if I care WHAT gets found out.

How about you? Happy with the people who run your sport? Happy that one team is getting a total mind #### done to them the week of the championship game?

I don't see how you could even take any of this serious after that last nonsense in '07, although that wasn't even the most recent nonsense

we got a superbowl coming up this weekend --- sux that our team had to waste time on all this, but I'm not too worried about it.

 

[Neofight]

A couple questions to the Pats fans.

If it comes out that all the Colts and Pats balls were all weighed pregame and it is found out that the Colts balls had a negligible drop of .1 psi while the Pats balls all lost 2 pounds, will you then drop the PSI angle and admit that something else must have caused the balls to deflate?

If it is found out that an equipment guy deflated the ball, would you believe he was doing it completely on his own accord if Brady and Belicheck still denied any involvement?

I'm just wondering how far the burden of proof needs to go. Do we need to find Brady with a pump needle stuck up his ### and a videotape of Belickeck giving him the pump?

1. If the Balls were gauge tested pregame and at halftime, and if the Pats balls dropped 2 psi more than the Colts, I would have serious doubts. It would mean one of three things occurred:a) The Pats deflated the balls with a needle.

b) The Colts inflated balls with a pump to offset the atmospheric effects causing the Pats balls to drop.

c) The Pats or the Colts prep procedures would have to be looked at to see if there was any hot air or cold air in the balls right before they were measured.

2. If anyone admits to deflating balls, I will be convinced that they did it at the direction of Brady. I would not be able to make the same leap about BB.

3. My burden of proof here is beyond a reasonable doubt. I don't think you can take down the careers of the NFL's greatest head coach and one of its greatest QB's with merely a preponderance of the evidence. It has to go further than that. For myself, I'd have to be more than 80% convinced that balls were deflated after the pregame inspected.

That would explain Brady's voice during his presser.

 

[General Tso]

Tom Curran emailed a buddy of mine about 20 minutes ago saying that he thinks this could be the death knell of Goodell.