Patriots being investigated after Colts game (3 Viewers)

[Chaz McNulty]

A couple questions to the Pats fans.

If it comes out that all the Colts and Pats balls were all weighed pregame and it is found out that the Colts balls had a negligible drop of .1 psi while the Pats balls all lost 2 pounds, will you then drop the PSI angle and admit that something else must have caused the balls to deflate?

If it is found out that an equipment guy deflated the ball, would you believe he was doing it completely on his own accord if Brady and Belicheck still denied any involvement?

I'm just wondering how far the burden of proof needs to go. Do we need to find Brady with a pump needle stuck up his ### and a videotape of Belickeck giving him the pump?

1. If the Balls were gauge tested pregame and at halftime, and if the Pats balls dropped 2 psi more than the Colts, I would have serious doubts. It would mean one of three things occurred:

a) The Pats deflated the balls with a needle.

b) The Colts inflated balls with a pump to offset the atmospheric effects causing the Pats balls to drop.

c) The Pats or the Colts prep procedures would have to be looked at to see if there was any hot air or cold air in he balls when they were measured.

2. If anyone admits to deflating balls, I will be convinced that they did it at the direction of Brady. I would not be able to make the same leap about BB.

3. My burden of proof here is beyond a reasonable doubt. I don't think you can take down the careers of the NFL's greatest head coach and one of its greatest QB's with merely a preponderance of the evidence. It has to go further than that. For myself, I'd have to be more than 80% convinced that balls were deflated after the pregame inspected.

Thanks. Although I find 1B far-fetched. I also think 1C is not reasonable doubt. I think the NFL's burden of proof for guilt is a lot less than a court of law.

 

[General Tso]

A couple questions to the Pats fans.

If it comes out that all the Colts and Pats balls were all weighed pregame and it is found out that the Colts balls had a negligible drop of .1 psi while the Pats balls all lost 2 pounds, will you then drop the PSI angle and admit that something else must have caused the balls to deflate?

If it is found out that an equipment guy deflated the ball, would you believe he was doing it completely on his own accord if Brady and Belicheck still denied any involvement?

I'm just wondering how far the burden of proof needs to go. Do we need to find Brady with a pump needle stuck up his ### and a videotape of Belickeck giving him the pump?

1. If the Balls were gauge tested pregame and at halftime, and if the Pats balls dropped 2 psi more than the Colts, I would have serious doubts. It would mean one of three things occurred:a) The Pats deflated the balls with a needle.

b) The Colts inflated balls with a pump to offset the atmospheric effects causing the Pats balls to drop.

c) The Pats or the Colts prep procedures would have to be looked at to see if there was any hot air or cold air in the balls right before they were measured.

2. If anyone admits to deflating balls, I will be convinced that they did it at the direction of Brady. I would not be able to make the same leap about BB.

3. My burden of proof here is beyond a reasonable doubt. I don't think you can take down the careers of the NFL's greatest head coach and one of its greatest QB's with merely a preponderance of the evidence. It has to go further than that. For myself, I'd have to be more than 80% convinced that balls were deflated after the pregame inspected.

That would explain Brady's voice during his presser.

LOL. Ou know, I saw that line when I was proof reading and knew someone would come out with a funny comment.

 

[Neofight]

A couple questions to the Pats fans.

If it comes out that all the Colts and Pats balls were all weighed pregame and it is found out that the Colts balls had a negligible drop of .1 psi while the Pats balls all lost 2 pounds, will you then drop the PSI angle and admit that something else must have caused the balls to deflate?

If it is found out that an equipment guy deflated the ball, would you believe he was doing it completely on his own accord if Brady and Belicheck still denied any involvement?

I'm just wondering how far the burden of proof needs to go. Do we need to find Brady with a pump needle stuck up his ### and a videotape of Belickeck giving him the pump?

1. If the Balls were gauge tested pregame and at halftime, and if the Pats balls dropped 2 psi more than the Colts, I would have serious doubts. It would mean one of three things occurred:a) The Pats deflated the balls with a needle.

b) The Colts inflated balls with a pump to offset the atmospheric effects causing the Pats balls to drop.

c) The Pats or the Colts prep procedures would have to be looked at to see if there was any hot air or cold air in the balls right before they were measured.

2. If anyone admits to deflating balls, I will be convinced that they did it at the direction of Brady. I would not be able to make the same leap about BB.

3. My burden of proof here is beyond a reasonable doubt. I don't think you can take down the careers of the NFL's greatest head coach and one of its greatest QB's with merely a preponderance of the evidence. It has to go further than that. For myself, I'd have to be more than 80% convinced that balls were deflated after the pregame inspected.

That would explain Brady's voice during his presser.

LOL. Ou know, I saw that line when I was proof reading and knew someone would come out with a funny comment.

Ball jokes never get old. And, to be frank, I've always thought Tommy had beautiful balls.

 

[12punch]

Tom Curran emailed a buddy of mine about 20 minutes ago saying that he thinks this could be the death knell of Goodell.

seriously, why do people hate that guy so much?

it's like some kind of mob mentality

I'm a pats fan, and still don't hate him

 

[Neofight]

Tom Curran emailed a buddy of mine about 20 minutes ago saying that he thinks this could be the death knell of Goodell.

seriously, why do people hate that guy so much?

it's like some kind of mob mentality

I'm a pats fan, and still don't hate him

He's not up to the task.

 

[Old Smiley]

Tom Curran emailed a buddy of mine about 20 minutes ago saying that he thinks this could be the death knell of Goodell.

I just keep shaking my head at how bad it's been. I'm surprised he can wind his watch without ####ting on the floor.

 

[zftcg]

2. If anyone admits to deflating balls, I will be convinced that they did it at the direction of Brady. I would not be able to make the same leap about BB.

Really? I'm not at all saying that I think this happened, but I could envision a scenario where McDaniels or the QB coach or someone else on staff, knowing Brady's ball preferences, slips the ballboy cash and a needle, and specifically doesn't tell Brady to preserve deniability.

 

[Morton Muffley]

Amazing, deflategate will be known as having so many different leaks but ultimately none of them will have had anything to do with footballs.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

A couple questions to the Pats fans.

If it comes out that all the Colts and Pats balls were all weighed pregame and it is found out that the Colts balls had a negligible drop of .1 psi while the Pats balls all lost 2 pounds, will you then drop the PSI angle and admit that something else must have caused the balls to deflate?

If it is found out that an equipment guy deflated the ball, would you believe he was doing it completely on his own accord if Brady and Belicheck still denied any involvement?

I'm just wondering how far the burden of proof needs to go. Do we need to find Brady with a pump needle stuck up his ### and a videotape of Belickeck giving him the pump?

I think the question is what would it take for trolls to stop trolling?

come up with 6 random hypotheticals for me --- my imagination isn't so great

Someone asked the question a couple pages back and not one Patrior fan answered. Seriously, do we need video evidence to convict.

solid ''proof'' will do

Would all the Patriots balls losing 2psi and all the Colts balls losing .1psi be solid proof that the balls were tampered with?

no...and without proof that someone directly altered the psi in any balls i wont believe it was anything more than weather related deflation. Until someone can prove that BB or Brady directly altered those balls i wont believe they did anything wrong...as long as there are other possible scenarios when all is said and done im giving the pats a pass

 

[General Tso]

A couple questions to the Pats fans.

If it comes out that all the Colts and Pats balls were all weighed pregame and it is found out that the Colts balls had a negligible drop of .1 psi while the Pats balls all lost 2 pounds, will you then drop the PSI angle and admit that something else must have caused the balls to deflate?

If it is found out that an equipment guy deflated the ball, would you believe he was doing it completely on his own accord if Brady and Belicheck still denied any involvement?

I'm just wondering how far the burden of proof needs to go. Do we need to find Brady with a pump needle stuck up his ### and a videotape of Belickeck giving him the pump?

1. If the Balls were gauge tested pregame and at halftime, and if the Pats balls dropped 2 psi more than the Colts, I would have serious doubts. It would mean one of three things occurred:

a) The Pats deflated the balls with a needle.

b) The Colts inflated balls with a pump to offset the atmospheric effects causing the Pats balls to drop.

c) The Pats or the Colts prep procedures would have to be looked at to see if there was any hot air or cold air in he balls when they were measured.

2. If anyone admits to deflating balls, I will be convinced that they did it at the direction of Brady. I would not be able to make the same leap about BB.

3. My burden of proof here is beyond a reasonable doubt. I don't think you can take down the careers of the NFL's greatest head coach and one of its greatest QB's with merely a preponderance of the evidence. It has to go further than that. For myself, I'd have to be more than 80% convinced that balls were deflated after the pregame inspected.

Thanks. Although I find 1B far-fetched. I also think 1C is not reasonable doubt. I think the NFL's burden of proof for guilt is a lot less than a court of law.

I think 1B is far-fetched as well, but I mention it because there's a bit of evidence mounting that this was a sting operation. I appreciate your honesty about the burden of proof being "a lot less than a court of law". Legally I'd say you are correct. Quite honestly, this has turned into such a polarizing debate that I think it's going to be practically impossible for most people to objectively analyze the evidence here. I've been following this thing pretty closely and I've been shocked at how many people I used to respect seem to have completely lost all sense of bearing on this issue. I'm to the point where I am pretty firmly convinced that the NFL has nothing and the Pats were innocent. Even after the news tonight that the ball boy was only alone for 90 seconds, and it was in a bathroom no less, people still view this as evidence that the Pats did something wrong. Really? And everyone completely discounts the Florio story on Saturday that the Pats balls weren't off by 2-3 psi, but 1.0. If that report was wrong, I'm pretty sure Mort would have reported as such. So all the science tells us that the atmospheric conditions alone would cause a drop of anywhere between 1-2 psi. The Pats request the refs to inflate to 12.5. So they come in at halftime at 11.5 and that is somehow evidence of tampering? Science is science. The alls SHOULD HAVE come in at 11.5. If they didn't, that would be more evidential of tampering.

In short, I have not see any credible reports of evidence proving any wrongdoing. Instead, what I have heard are emphatic denials from all levels of the Pats organization, and nothing from the NFL but curiously timed leaks that seem to be coming from two different camps. Who knows, maybe its possible the NFL has been ingenious in their presentation of leaks here, in some kind of crazy attempt to ensnare the Pats like they apparently did in BountyGate. But my money is against that. It would require way too much intelligence and coordination from a group of people who have proved over and over again the last 2 years that they are one small step above complete incompetence.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

I believe it is widely accepted as fact that Rodgers told Simms and Nance the following.

Curran reported on a clip from the Packers-Patriots game on Nov. 30, where CBS announcers Jim Nantz and Phil Simms discussed how Rodgers wanted the football he used to feel.

"(Rodgers) said something [that] was unique," Simms revealed. "[Rodgers said] 'I like to push the limit to how much air we can put in the football, even go over what they allow you to do and see if the officials take air out of it.' Because he thinks it's easier for him to grip. He likes them tight."

As Curran astutely points, out, "Ball manipulation could be an NFL epidemic."

Not only is it evidence, but unless you think Simms (and Nance?) are lying it is imho proof that Rodgers likes his balls to be over inflated.

How much were the balls under inflated and did Brady have any idea they were under inflated? Maybe yes, maybe no, but you do not know and neither do I so why not wait and see.

It is proof that Rodgers evidences no guilt and does not try to hide his actions when he broadcasts them. You don't freely advertise things you are trying to get away with, unless you are an idiot. He is not looking to get away with anything, rather he is having some fun. If he denied it, or tried to hide it, rather than freely offering the information up, then maybe he could be dragged into this.
The sad thing is that fans of an organization who fear that organization may be drowning are trying to deflect blame and implicate others as a way of reducing the culpability of their franchise. They hope to minimize their actions by dragging others into their boat, no matter how dissimilar, hoping they will create allies, if unwilling ones. Drowning they seek to drag others down too. They have tried this with the Packers and with the Steelers, two organizations of substantial history and with substantial fan bases believing that strong unwilling allies may be the best bet. They hope that those fan bases will rally to their cause in an effort to defend their own franchises. This is, of course, cowardly and dishonorable. There is no similarity between the open statements on the one hand and the actions of the Pats on the other. I have even heard Rodgers frank statements, and those of Bradshaw, characterized by Pats fans as admissions, trying to imply that their were accusations and their is some guilt. Nothing could be further from the truth of their frank and open discussion.

Shame on those who are so dishonorable.

 

[12punch]

It is proof that Rodgers evidences no guilt and does not try to hide his actions when he broadcasts them. You don't freely advertise things you are trying to get away with, unless you are an idiot. He is not looking to get away with anything, rather he is having some fun. If he denied it, or tried to hide it, rather than freely offering the information up, then maybe he could be dragged into this.

I believe it is widely accepted as fact that Rodgers told Simms and Nance the following.

Curran reported on a clip from the Packers-Patriots game on Nov. 30, where CBS announcers Jim Nantz and Phil Simms discussed how Rodgers wanted the football he used to feel.

"(Rodgers) said something [that] was unique," Simms revealed. "[Rodgers said] 'I like to push the limit to how much air we can put in the football, even go over what they allow you to do and see if the officials take air out of it.' Because he thinks it's easier for him to grip. He likes them tight."

As Curran astutely points, out, "Ball manipulation could be an NFL epidemic."

Not only is it evidence, but unless you think Simms (and Nance?) are lying it is imho proof that Rodgers likes his balls to be over inflated.

How much were the balls under inflated and did Brady have any idea they were under inflated? Maybe yes, maybe no, but you do not know and neither do I so why not wait and see.
The sad thing is that fans of an organization who fear that organization may be drowning are trying to deflect blame and implicate others as a way of reducing the culpability of their franchise. They hope to minimize their actions by dragging others into their boat, no matter how dissimilar, hoping they will create allies, if unwilling ones. Drowning they seek to drag others down too. They have tried this with the Packers and with the Steelers, two organizations of substantial history and with substantial fan bases believing that strong unwilling allies may be the best bet. They hope that those fan bases will rally to their cause in an effort to defend their own franchises. This is, of course, cowardly and dishonorable. There is no similarity between the open statements on the one hand and the actions of the Pats on the other. I have even heard Rodgers frank statements, and those of Bradshaw, characterized by Pats fans as admissions, trying to imply that their were accusations and their is some guilt. Nothing could be further from the truth of their frank and open discussion.

Shame on those who are so dishonorable.

fyi -- when you need 1000 words to get 100 words of reaction you're really just trolling yourself at that point

 

[The General]

SALPAL from ESPN saying he's never seen anything like Kraft #####ing out the NFL saying something like "Stop the leaks, get your house in order".

SALPAL in his very next line says "someone in the Pats organization tells me..."

 

[General Tso]

I believe it is widely accepted as fact that Rodgers told Simms and Nance the following.

Curran reported on a clip from the Packers-Patriots game on Nov. 30, where CBS announcers Jim Nantz and Phil Simms discussed how Rodgers wanted the football he used to feel.

"(Rodgers) said something [that] was unique," Simms revealed. "[Rodgers said] 'I like to push the limit to how much air we can put in the football, even go over what they allow you to do and see if the officials take air out of it.' Because he thinks it's easier for him to grip. He likes them tight."

As Curran astutely points, out, "Ball manipulation could be an NFL epidemic."

Not only is it evidence, but unless you think Simms (and Nance?) are lying it is imho proof that Rodgers likes his balls to be over inflated.

How much were the balls under inflated and did Brady have any idea they were under inflated? Maybe yes, maybe no, but you do not know and neither do I so why not wait and see.

It is proof that Rodgers evidences no guilt and does not try to hide his actions when he broadcasts them. You don't freely advertise things you are trying to get away with, unless you are an idiot. He is not looking to get away with anything, rather he is having some fun. If he denied it, or tried to hide it, rather than freely offering the information up, then maybe he could be dragged into this.

The sad thing is that fans of an organization who fear that organization may be drowning are trying to deflect blame and implicate others as a way of reducing the culpability of their franchise. They hope to minimize their actions by dragging others into their boat, no matter how dissimilar, hoping they will create allies, if unwilling ones. Drowning they seek to drag others down too. They have tried this with the Packers and with the Steelers, two organizations of substantial history and with substantial fan bases believing that strong unwilling allies may be the best bet. They hope that those fan bases will rally to their cause in an effort to defend their own franchises. This is, of course, cowardly and dishonorable. There is no similarity between the open statements on the one hand and the actions of the Pats on the other. I have even heard Rodgers frank statements, and those of Bradshaw, characterized by Pats fans as admissions, trying to imply that their were accusations and their is some guilt. Nothing could be further from the truth of their frank and open discussion.

Shame on those who are so dishonorable.

Is this schtick? Are you serious?So if a guy admits something freely it means he must not have done it? He can only get dragged into this if he denied it or tried to hide it? Wow.

Maybe Rodgers said what he said because he doesn't view it as that big a deal. He is on record as saying he thinks there should be no upper limit on inflation. He clearly thinks the rule is dumb, as did a lot of people until... Wait for it... The ####### Patriots were accused of doing it! It's selective prosecution, plain and simple, and it's wrong. And the only way to call that out is to point to all the double standards that are so crystal clear to anyone with half a brain. The Panthers heating balls on the sidelines - not a big deal. No penalty, no investigation. Pats using legal formation plays and STILL being accused of cheating.

It's no longer opinion, it's fact - the NFL, and most fans, do not like the Patriots or BB and there's a witch hunt going on to nail them for anything that can possibly be found - with or without evidence. Can't beat em on the field, get rid of em. It's pathetic really.

 

[12punch]

fyi -- when you need 1000 words to get 100 words of reaction you're really just trolling yourself at that point

maybe I spoke too soon

 

[KarmaPolice]

Did he wash his hands?

i bet it was some backsplash that got on the balls and caused the psi to drop even more when outside.

 

[KarmaPolice]

A couple questions to the Pats fans.

If it comes out that all the Colts and Pats balls were all weighed pregame and it is found out that the Colts balls had a negligible drop of .1 psi while the Pats balls all lost 2 pounds, will you then drop the PSI angle and admit that something else must have caused the balls to deflate?

If it is found out that an equipment guy deflated the ball, would you believe he was doing it completely on his own accord if Brady and Belicheck still denied any involvement?

I'm just wondering how far the burden of proof needs to go. Do we need to find Brady with a pump needle stuck up his ### and a videotape of Belickeck giving him the pump?

I think the question is what would it take for trolls to stop trolling?

come up with 6 random hypotheticals for me --- my imagination isn't so great

Someone asked the question a couple pages back and not one Patrior fan answered. Seriously, do we need video evidence to convict.

there have been a few answers for this question. Simple- it requires the nfl to give us some hard numbers of pre/post #s on the pats and colts balls and for that to show a big difference in psi for one and not the other. If this is about .2psi, the colts weren't measured, they dont have hard pre game numbers, etc this is all stupid.

 

[Donnybrook]

Rogue Ball Boy @RogueBallBoy

Time to get my passports in order #Patriots #SuperBowlXLIX @TimBenzWEEI

 

[Flying Elvis]

Tom Curran emailed a buddy of mine about 20 minutes ago saying that he thinks this could be the death knell of Goodell.

I can't imagine he keeps his job even if tomorrow's leak is the big gotcha Moment. No owner in the league can possibly have confidence that this type of institutional dysfunction won't bite their franchise in the ###, too. Kraft is 100% correct that the way this has been handled is completely inappropriate and unprofessional.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

This thread is hilarious. Roger Goodell isn't going anywhere (except to the Super Bowl).

 

[12punch]

this is going to be in brady's head now, thinking about where those balls have been

we'll know if he wears a glove

 

[KarmaPolice]

It is proof that Rodgers evidences no guilt and does not try to hide his actions when he broadcasts them. You don't freely advertise things you are trying to get away with, unless you are an idiot. He is not looking to get away with anything, rather he is having some fun. If he denied it, or tried to hide it, rather than freely offering the information up, then maybe he could be dragged into this.
The sad thing is that fans of an organization who fear that organization may be drowning are trying to deflect blame and implicate others as a way of reducing the culpability of their franchise. They hope to minimize their actions by dragging others into their boat, no matter how dissimilar, hoping they will create allies, if unwilling ones. Drowning they seek to drag others down too. They have tried this with the Packers and with the Steelers, two organizations of substantial history and with substantial fan bases believing that strong unwilling allies may be the best bet. They hope that those fan bases will rally to their cause in an effort to defend their own franchises. This is, of course, cowardly and dishonorable. There is no similarity between the open statements on the one hand and the actions of the Pats on the other. I have even heard Rodgers frank statements, and those of Bradshaw, characterized by Pats fans as admissions, trying to imply that their were accusations and their is some guilt. Nothing could be further from the truth of their frank and open discussion.

Shame on those who are so dishonorable.

What things like Rodgers and Bradshaw say point to a few things:

1. It is probably more of a league-wide thing then people seem to want to admit for whatever reason.

2. It seems to be pointing to what people here have been suspecting - that Qbs/teams submit balls like they want them, but ultimately it seems to be on the ref to get them to the legal limit and approve them for play.

3. IMO it is pretty much the same thing that Rodgers is saying and Brady said. Rodgers likes them bigger, submits them outside the limit (admittedly) and sees if the refs adjusts them down. Brady said he submits the balls that he likes the feel of, and tells the ref to set them to 12.5. I guess only one of them has admitted to purposely submitting balls outside the psi limit.

4. Pointing things like this out has nothing to do with wanting allies or trying to drag other teams down. It is a discussion about what seems to be people talking out of both sides of their mouths. One QB admits knowingly submitting balls outside the psi range, but evidently that is ok because the refs adjusted them (do we know this), but it is not ok for another Qb to maybe (never admitted it) submitting a ball for the ref at the low range to see if they adjusted it? One franchise has a "history" or "culture" of cheating because they have been caught doing something and punished once, but no other franchise seems to have that label despite also being punished during that time for a variety of other reasons.

I just find the mentality interesting.

 

[Niles Standish]

A couple questions to the Pats fans.

If it comes out that all the Colts and Pats balls were all weighed pregame and it is found out that the Colts balls had a negligible drop of .1 psi while the Pats balls all lost 2 pounds, will you then drop the PSI angle and admit that something else must have caused the balls to deflate?

If it is found out that an equipment guy deflated the ball, would you believe he was doing it completely on his own accord if Brady and Belicheck still denied any involvement?

I'm just wondering how far the burden of proof needs to go. Do we need to find Brady with a pump needle stuck up his ### and a videotape of Belickeck giving him the pump?

I think the question is what would it take for trolls to stop trolling?

come up with 6 random hypotheticals for me --- my imagination isn't so great

Someone asked the question a couple pages back and not one Patrior fan answered. Seriously, do we need video evidence to convict.

solid ''proof'' will do

Would all the Patriots balls losing 2psi and all the Colts balls losing .1psi be solid proof that the balls were tampered with?

Not for me. Filling a ball at room temp ~70 degrees as far as everyone has said will mean a ball loses 1 PSI with the game temp. That's without rain. If the Colts balls aren't changing they did everything at outside temps. That's the problem different outcomes will occur with different IMO legal actions. Filling the balls with hot air is at minimum skirting the rules. Filling them in a 70 degree office isn't neither is filling them outside.

But let's wait for the results. There has been too much conflicting leaked information to really have any clue what the real info will be.

If the change that occurred to the Pats balls can't be explained by legal actions then I will assume it is illegal. If someone manually removed air from the balls it will be on video. From what I've heard the only time the Pats have access post inspection is on the field. You can't do anything in public without it ending up on video anymore. 95% of people have a video camera on their phone.

 

[devouredbychaos]

Salty haters still grasping at straws I see. Lol. Get over it already and enjoy watching the Pats win another Super Bowl

 

[GoBirds]

This thread is hilarious. Roger Goodell isn't going anywhere (except to the Super Bowl).

Yeah seriously, no chance Goodell goes anywhere. I don't think he is worried about a bunch of Pats fans on a message board sorry. Any other sports station you turn on thinks the Pats are guilty. If you don't want the NFL investigating you then don't have 11 of 12 balls at illegal size.

 

[moleculo]

This thread is hilarious. Roger Goodell isn't going anywhere (except to the Super Bowl).

Yeah seriously, no chance Goodell goes anywhere. I don't think he is worried about a bunch of Pats fans on a message board sorry. Any other sports station you turn on thinks the Pats are guilty. If you don't want the NFL investigating you then don't have 11 of 12 balls at illegal size.

Kraft is, from what I understand, Godells biggest advocate. If Kraft no longer has his back, I could see Godell being forced out rather quickly. Hell, half the league wants him out anyways because of the Ray Rice thing, the handling of the concussion stuff, and all of the other misc. arbitrary punishments.

 

[Bayhawks]

Would all the Patriots balls losing 2psi and all the Colts balls losing .1psi be solid proof that the balls were tampered with?

Not for me. Filling a ball at room temp ~70 degrees as far as everyone has said will mean a ball loses 1 PSI with the game temp. That's without rain. If the Colts balls aren't changing they did everything at outside temps. That's the problem different outcomes will occur with different IMO legal actions. Filling the balls with hot air is at minimum skirting the rules. Filling them in a 70 degree office isn't neither is filling them outside.

But let's wait for the results. There has been too much conflicting leaked information to really have any clue what the real info will be.

If the change that occurred to the Pats balls can't be explained by legal actions then I will assume it is illegal. If someone manually removed air from the balls it will be on video. From what I've heard the only time the Pats have access post inspection is on the field. You can't do anything in public without it ending up on video anymore. 95% of people have a video camera on their phone.

But, if the balls that the Patriots used in the 2nd half were stored inside during the 1st half (as this report originally linked in post 4206 says), and then the balls were tested after the game and still in compliance, that refutes the bolded.

All 24 Pat balls were checked before the game, all 24 balls were kept in the officials locker room, 10 minutes before game time, the 12 Pats balls & 12 Colts balls were given to the respective ball boys to take to the field. Supposedly, the NFL has video showing the Pats ball boy/attendant/whoever going into a separate room (a room w/out video, one would assume). After he exits this room, he brings the balls to the field. Those 12 balls (along with the Colts balls) are used in the 1st half. During half-time, 11/12 Patriots footballs are found to be under-inflated by 2 lbs PSI each. The back-up balls, which have been in the officials locker room (presumably at this 70% temperature) for the entire 1st half, are then used during the 2nd half. When these balls are checked again, after the game, after having been exposed to the same atmospheric conditions as the 1st half Patriots footballs (actually probably more extreme, as the weather was likely colder in the 2nd half), they did not experience the same PSI drop, as they were found to still be within the legal range.

So, if the Patriots balls (all 24 of them) were filled in the same room (hypothetical 70% temp), and the 2nd half balls were kept insides for the 1st half, why didn't they experience the same drop in PSI in the 2nd half as the 1st half balls did? All the variables are the same, except for the few minutes the footballs were allegedly in this room with the Pats ball-boy/attendant. That would indicate that something happened to those 1st-half Patriots footballs when they were in that room.

 

[moleculo]

A couple questions to the Pats fans.

If it comes out that all the Colts and Pats balls were all weighed pregame and it is found out that the Colts balls had a negligible drop of .1 psi while the Pats balls all lost 2 pounds, will you then drop the PSI angle and admit that something else must have caused the balls to deflate?

If it is found out that an equipment guy deflated the ball, would you believe he was doing it completely on his own accord if Brady and Belicheck still denied any involvement?

I'm just wondering how far the burden of proof needs to go. Do we need to find Brady with a pump needle stuck up his ### and a videotape of Belickeck giving him the pump?

I think the question is what would it take for trolls to stop trolling?

come up with 6 random hypotheticals for me --- my imagination isn't so great

Someone asked the question a couple pages back and not one Patrior fan answered. Seriously, do we need video evidence to convict.

solid ''proof'' will do

Would all the Patriots balls losing 2psi and all the Colts balls losing .1psi be solid proof that the balls were tampered with?

Not for me. Filling a ball at room temp ~70 degrees as far as everyone has said will mean a ball loses 1 PSI with the game temp. That's without rain. If the Colts balls aren't changing they did everything at outside temps. That's the problem different outcomes will occur with different IMO legal actions. Filling the balls with hot air is at minimum skirting the rules. Filling them in a 70 degree office isn't neither is filling them outside.

But let's wait for the results. There has been too much conflicting leaked information to really have any clue what the real info will be.

If the change that occurred to the Pats balls can't be explained by legal actions then I will assume it is illegal. If someone manually removed air from the balls it will be on video. From what I've heard the only time the Pats have access post inspection is on the field. You can't do anything in public without it ending up on video anymore. 95% of people have a video camera on their phone.

But, if the balls that the Patriots used in the 2nd half were stored inside during the 1st half (as the report linked in this post says), and then the balls were tested after the game and still in compliance, that refutes the bolded.

All 24 Pat balls were checked before the game, all 24 balls were kept in the officials locker room, 10 minutes before game time, the 12 Pats balls & 12 Colts balls were given to the respective ball boys to take to the field. Supposedly, the NFL has video showing the Pats ball boy/attendant/whoever going into a separate room (a room w/out video, one would assume). After he exits this room, he brings the balls to the field. Those 12 balls (along with the Colts balls) are used in the 1st half. During half-time, 11/12 Patriots footballs are found to be under-inflated by 2 lbs PSI each. The back-up balls, which have been in the officials locker room (presumably at this 70% temperature) for the entire 1st half, are then used during the 2nd half. When these balls are checked again, after the game, after having been exposed to the same atmospheric conditions as the 1st half Patriots footballs (actually probably more extreme, as the weather was likely colder in the 2nd half), they did not experience the same PSI drop, as they were found to still be within the legal range.

So, if the Patriots balls (all 24 of them) were filled in the same room (hypothetical 70% temp), and the 2nd half balls were kept insides for the 1st half, why didn't they experience the same drop in PSI in the 2nd half as the 1st half balls did? All the variables are the same, except for the few minutes the footballs were allegedly in this room with the Pats ball-boy/attendant.

they did, but when checked after the game, enough time had passed that they re-acclimated to room temperature.

Remember - the officials only had 15 minutes or so to pressure-gauge 24 footballs, in addition to taking a piss and whatever else refs do at halftime. They would be under no such time constraints after the game.

 

[GoBirds]

This thread is hilarious. Roger Goodell isn't going anywhere (except to the Super Bowl).

Yeah seriously, no chance Goodell goes anywhere. I don't think he is worried about a bunch of Pats fans on a message board sorry. Any other sports station you turn on thinks the Pats are guilty. If you don't want the NFL investigating you then don't have 11 of 12 balls at illegal size.

Kraft is, from what I understand, Godells biggest advocate. If Kraft no longer has his back, I could see Godell being forced out rather quickly. Hell, half the league wants him out anyways because of the Ray Rice thing, the handling of the concussion stuff, and all of the other misc. arbitrary punishments.

Think about the Ray Rice uproar nationwide when that video got out. If he survived that this won't even be a blip on his radar.

 

[GoodLloydHaveMercy]

Someone explain to me the logic of "it's ovah now the NFL has nothin and Goodell is a gonna"

It's pretty clear to us "salty haters" that the NFL hasn't spoken to players in their investigation because they'd have to have a player rep present and they don't want to detract from the Super Bowl

*****this is where pats fans scream that NFL WANTS this distraction despite the fact that it's BB (twice) & Brady who called their own pressers... And BBs second presser is a classic "get our side out there publicly before the investigation" tactic... 'Supah smaat' on a PR front*****

So I get it Pats fans... You want this to go away... You want to be able to enjoy ur super bowl over a soupa bowl of chowdah... But just like everybody knows OJ did it... Everybody knows that something or somebody deflated those balls... I don't believe the NFL is quite that dumb to leak all the info they have

And I'm not dumb enough to believe (and neither should you) that the spygate punishment was for taping only one game and getting caught only once... There was a pattern there and there is a pattern here

Let's see what the investigation finds down the road... I'm betting we never hear ALL of the deets because I don't think we ever hear it ALL

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

This thread is hilarious. Roger Goodell isn't going anywhere (except to the Super Bowl).

"This is all a made up story from Salty Haters", to...

"There's no evidence", to...

"There's evidence, but it's fake", to...

"Bill says we did it, but it was an accident", to...

"Roger Goodell sucks"

 

[GoodLloydHaveMercy]

A couple questions to the Pats fans.

If it comes out that all the Colts and Pats balls were all weighed pregame and it is found out that the Colts balls had a negligible drop of .1 psi while the Pats balls all lost 2 pounds, will you then drop the PSI angle and admit that something else must have caused the balls to deflate?

If it is found out that an equipment guy deflated the ball, would you believe he was doing it completely on his own accord if Brady and Belicheck still denied any involvement?

I'm just wondering how far the burden of proof needs to go. Do we need to find Brady with a pump needle stuck up his ### and a videotape of Belickeck giving him the pump?

I think the question is what would it take for trolls to stop trolling?

come up with 6 random hypotheticals for me --- my imagination isn't so great

Someone asked the question a couple pages back and not one Patrior fan answered. Seriously, do we need video evidence to convict.

solid ''proof'' will do

Would all the Patriots balls losing 2psi and all the Colts balls losing .1psi be solid proof that the balls were tampered with?

Not for me. Filling a ball at room temp ~70 degrees as far as everyone has said will mean a ball loses 1 PSI with the game temp. That's without rain. If the Colts balls aren't changing they did everything at outside temps. That's the problem different outcomes will occur with different IMO legal actions. Filling the balls with hot air is at minimum skirting the rules. Filling them in a 70 degree office isn't neither is filling them outside.But let's wait for the results. There has been too much conflicting leaked information to really have any clue what the real info will be.

If the change that occurred to the Pats balls can't be explained by legal actions then I will assume it is illegal. If someone manually removed air from the balls it will be on video. From what I've heard the only time the Pats have access post inspection is on the field. You can't do anything in public without it ending up on video anymore. 95% of people have a video camera on their phone.

But, if the balls that the Patriots used in the 2nd half were stored inside during the 1st half (as the report linked in this post says), and then the balls were tested after the game and still in compliance, that refutes the bolded.All 24 Pat balls were checked before the game, all 24 balls were kept in the officials locker room, 10 minutes before game time, the 12 Pats balls & 12 Colts balls were given to the respective ball boys to take to the field. Supposedly, the NFL has video showing the Pats ball boy/attendant/whoever going into a separate room (a room w/out video, one would assume). After he exits this room, he brings the balls to the field. Those 12 balls (along with the Colts balls) are used in the 1st half. During half-time, 11/12 Patriots footballs are found to be under-inflated by 2 lbs PSI each. The back-up balls, which have been in the officials locker room (presumably at this 70% temperature) for the entire 1st half, are then used during the 2nd half. When these balls are checked again, after the game, after having been exposed to the same atmospheric conditions as the 1st half Patriots footballs (actually probably more extreme, as the weather was likely colder in the 2nd half), they did not experience the same PSI drop, as they were found to still be within the legal range.

So, if the Patriots balls (all 24 of them) were filled in the same room (hypothetical 70% temp), and the 2nd half balls were kept insides for the 1st half, why didn't they experience the same drop in PSI in the 2nd half as the 1st half balls did? All the variables are the same, except for the few minutes the footballs were allegedly in this room with the Pats ball-boy/attendant.

they did, but when checked after the game, enough time had passed that they re-acclimated to room temperature.Remember - the officials only had 15 minutes or so to pressure-gauge 24 footballs, in addition to taking a piss and whatever else refs do at halftime. They would be under no such time constraints after the game.

Really??? Time to re-acclimate because refs are taking an all time piss???

Weak

 

[Niles Standish]

Would all the Patriots balls losing 2psi and all the Colts balls losing .1psi be solid proof that the balls were tampered with?

Not for me. Filling a ball at room temp ~70 degrees as far as everyone has said will mean a ball loses 1 PSI with the game temp. That's without rain. If the Colts balls aren't changing they did everything at outside temps. That's the problem different outcomes will occur with different IMO legal actions. Filling the balls with hot air is at minimum skirting the rules. Filling them in a 70 degree office isn't neither is filling them outside.

But let's wait for the results. There has been too much conflicting leaked information to really have any clue what the real info will be.

If the change that occurred to the Pats balls can't be explained by legal actions then I will assume it is illegal. If someone manually removed air from the balls it will be on video. From what I've heard the only time the Pats have access post inspection is on the field. You can't do anything in public without it ending up on video anymore. 95% of people have a video camera on their phone.

But, if the balls that the Patriots used in the 2nd half were stored inside during the 1st half (as this report originally linked in post 4206 says), and then the balls were tested after the game and still in compliance, that refutes the bolded.

All 24 Pat balls were checked before the game, all 24 balls were kept in the officials locker room, 10 minutes before game time, the 12 Pats balls & 12 Colts balls were given to the respective ball boys to take to the field. Supposedly, the NFL has video showing the Pats ball boy/attendant/whoever going into a separate room (a room w/out video, one would assume). After he exits this room, he brings the balls to the field. Those 12 balls (along with the Colts balls) are used in the 1st half. During half-time, 11/12 Patriots footballs are found to be under-inflated by 2 lbs PSI each. The back-up balls, which have been in the officials locker room (presumably at this 70% temperature) for the entire 1st half, are then used during the 2nd half. When these balls are checked again, after the game, after having been exposed to the same atmospheric conditions as the 1st half Patriots footballs (actually probably more extreme, as the weather was likely colder in the 2nd half), they did not experience the same PSI drop, as they were found to still be within the legal range.

So, if the Patriots balls (all 24 of them) were filled in the same room (hypothetical 70% temp), and the 2nd half balls were kept insides for the 1st half, why didn't they experience the same drop in PSI in the 2nd half as the 1st half balls did? All the variables are the same, except for the few minutes the footballs were allegedly in this room with the Pats ball-boy/attendant. That would indicate that something happened to those 1st-half Patriots footballs when they were in that room.

That does not refute the bolded which is pretty much the result of the ideal gas law.

Let's see what the NFL says. Until then it's all wild speculation.

But you can keep believing every single unverified report if you would like. I'm waiting.

 

[devouredbychaos]

I found this interesting. The most fined team for illegalalities in the league is..the Colts, with a whopping $3,831,220 in fines. Cardinals and Ravens are 2nd and 3rd, while the Pats are 16th. Talk about cheaters!

 

[pizzatyme]

#defegate I read this morning and laughed out loud!

 

[devouredbychaos]

Someone explain to me the logic of "it's ovah now the NFL has nothin and Goodell is a gonna"

It's pretty clear to us "salty haters" that the NFL hasn't spoken to players in their investigation because they'd have to have a player rep present and they don't want to detract from the Super Bowl

*****this is where pats fans scream that NFL WANTS this distraction despite the fact that it's BB (twice) & Brady who called their own pressers... And BBs second presser is a classic "get our side out there publicly before the investigation" tactic... 'Supah smaat' on a PR front*****

So I get it Pats fans... You want this to go away... You want to be able to enjoy ur super bowl over a soupa bowl of chowdah... But just like everybody knows OJ did it... Everybody knows that something or somebody deflated those balls... I don't believe the NFL is quite that dumb to leak all the info they have

And I'm not dumb enough to believe (and neither should you) that the spygate punishment was for taping only one game and getting caught only once... There was a pattern there and there is a pattern here

Let's see what the investigation finds down the road... I'm betting we never hear ALL of the deets because I don't think we ever hear it ALL

It's over. Haters gonna hate

 

[shader]

A couple questions to the Pats fans.

If it comes out that all the Colts and Pats balls were all weighed pregame and it is found out that the Colts balls had a negligible drop of .1 psi while the Pats balls all lost 2 pounds, will you then drop the PSI angle and admit that something else must have caused the balls to deflate?

If it is found out that an equipment guy deflated the ball, would you believe he was doing it completely on his own accord if Brady and Belicheck still denied any involvement?

I'm just wondering how far the burden of proof needs to go. Do we need to find Brady with a pump needle stuck up his ### and a videotape of Belickeck giving him the pump?

yes if it came out that there was evidence, I would believe it.

But don't ridicule us for wanting an unrealistic burden of proof when there currently isn't a single bit of proof or evidence that we know for sure.

What about you? What would it take for you to believe the Pats are innocent? Or are you going to hang an asterisk on this season for them, just because.

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

A couple questions to the Pats fans.

If it comes out that all the Colts and Pats balls were all weighed pregame and it is found out that the Colts balls had a negligible drop of .1 psi while the Pats balls all lost 2 pounds, will you then drop the PSI angle and admit that something else must have caused the balls to deflate?

If it is found out that an equipment guy deflated the ball, would you believe he was doing it completely on his own accord if Brady and Belicheck still denied any involvement?

I'm just wondering how far the burden of proof needs to go. Do we need to find Brady with a pump needle stuck up his ### and a videotape of Belickeck giving him the pump?

First off, we aren't talking about the weight of the ball, they all weighed the same (afaik).

1. Yes, if the psi of the colts balls only lost .1 and the pats all lost 2.0 something else must have been going on and I don't see how NE could get by that.

2. If it was found an equipment guy deflated the ball it would be next to impossible to believe it didn't go higher than that, I wouldn't believe it and my opinion of both BB & Brady would change.

If the pats balls were all or mostly 2.0 under and the colts balls only changed .1 that's pretty damning.

I think they will find that the Colts balls deflated more than .1 and most of the patriots balls were between 1 - 1.5 under.

 

[voiceofunreason]

Goodell needs to be kept on to run the business side and have nothing to do with the football side. Someone needs to be in charge of the rules, and someone in charge of discipline. I hate the patriots and don't care anything about their reputation. But why are teams allowed their own balls. Everything is so screwed up, most of the new rules are ridiculous and the league is becoming a joke.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Someone explain to me the logic of "it's ovah now the NFL has nothin and Goodell is a gonna"

It's pretty clear to us "salty haters" that the NFL hasn't spoken to players in their investigation because they'd have to have a player rep present and they don't want to detract from the Super Bowl

*****this is where pats fans scream that NFL WANTS this distraction despite the fact that it's BB (twice) & Brady who called their own pressers... And BBs second presser is a classic "get our side out there publicly before the investigation" tactic... 'Supah smaat' on a PR front*****

So I get it Pats fans... You want this to go away... You want to be able to enjoy ur super bowl over a soupa bowl of chowdah... But just like everybody knows OJ did it... Everybody knows that something or somebody deflated those balls... I don't believe the NFL is quite that dumb to leak all the info they have

And I'm not dumb enough to believe (and neither should you) that the spygate punishment was for taping only one game and getting caught only once... There was a pattern there and there is a pattern here

Let's see what the investigation finds down the road... I'm betting we never hear ALL of the deets because I don't think we ever hear it ALL

It has been posted several times in here that it wasn't about the taping, but the enclosure/lack thereof and Bill's arrogance and unwillingness to adjust. But feel free to continue beating that drum, just gives one side more ammo when the other is ill informed.

 

[moleculo]

This thread is hilarious. Roger Goodell isn't going anywhere (except to the Super Bowl).

Yeah seriously, no chance Goodell goes anywhere. I don't think he is worried about a bunch of Pats fans on a message board sorry. Any other sports station you turn on thinks the Pats are guilty. If you don't want the NFL investigating you then don't have 11 of 12 balls at illegal size.

Kraft is, from what I understand, Godells biggest advocate. If Kraft no longer has his back, I could see Godell being forced out rather quickly. Hell, half the league wants him out anyways because of the Ray Rice thing, the handling of the concussion stuff, and all of the other misc. arbitrary punishments.

Think about the Ray Rice uproar nationwide when that video got out. If he survived that this won't even be a blip on his radar.

He survived that because Kraft had his back.

 

[GoBirds]

This thread is hilarious. Roger Goodell isn't going anywhere (except to the Super Bowl).

Yeah seriously, no chance Goodell goes anywhere. I don't think he is worried about a bunch of Pats fans on a message board sorry. Any other sports station you turn on thinks the Pats are guilty. If you don't want the NFL investigating you then don't have 11 of 12 balls at illegal size.

Kraft is, from what I understand, Godells biggest advocate. If Kraft no longer has his back, I could see Godell being forced out rather quickly. Hell, half the league wants him out anyways because of the Ray Rice thing, the handling of the concussion stuff, and all of the other misc. arbitrary punishments.

Think about the Ray Rice uproar nationwide when that video got out. If he survived that this won't even be a blip on his radar.

He survived that because Kraft had his back.

That's a little delusional....I know you all think Kraft rules the world but most the owners had his back. A lot of those owners don't like the Patriots.

 

[satch]

BOSTON (CBS) The footballs used by the New England Patriots in the first half of the AFC Championship were indeed under the NFLs allowable PSI , but according to 98.5 The Sports Hubs Toucher & Rich, those footballs passed a pregame inspection by officials.

Sources told Rich that the Patriots submitted their 12 game footballs under-inflated prior to the game, but the league did not properly inspect them and approved them for the contest. Rich broke the news Tuesday morning on their broadcast from Radio Row in Arizona.

One thing that has been reported this last week, as weve been learning about how footballs are treated before a game is that before every game, a referee measured with a pressure gauge each football to see if the pressure in each one is between 12.5 and 13.5 PSI.

But that apparently isnt always the case. As a matter of fact, from what Ive been told, many times the refs dont test the pressure of each ball with a gauge at all. Sometimes refs hold the ball, squeeze it, briefly inspect it, then sign off on it. Next ball. Its never been a problem before. This is apparently a well known fact in the NFL.

Now according to my sources, The Patriots turned in their footballs to the ref at a pressure just below the allowable PSI.

If its a situation where the refs DID use a gauge, the refs would see the balls were under inflated, and inflate them to the proper size. But in this case, the balls were approved and given back to the Patriots under-inflated.

Thus, the under-inflated balls. The Patriots, according to my sources, played with league approved deflated balls.

https://twitter.com/985thesportshub/status/560071037506031617

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

I believe it is widely accepted as fact that Rodgers told Simms and Nance the following.

Curran reported on a clip from the Packers-Patriots game on Nov. 30, where CBS announcers Jim Nantz and Phil Simms discussed how Rodgers wanted the football he used to feel.

"(Rodgers) said something [that] was unique," Simms revealed. "[Rodgers said] 'I like to push the limit to how much air we can put in the football, even go over what they allow you to do and see if the officials take air out of it.' Because he thinks it's easier for him to grip. He likes them tight."

As Curran astutely points, out, "Ball manipulation could be an NFL epidemic."

Not only is it evidence, but unless you think Simms (and Nance?) are lying it is imho proof that Rodgers likes his balls to be over inflated.

How much were the balls under inflated and did Brady have any idea they were under inflated? Maybe yes, maybe no, but you do not know and neither do I so why not wait and see.

It is proof that Rodgers evidences no guilt and does not try to hide his actions when he broadcasts them. You don't freely advertise things you are trying to get away with, unless you are an idiot. He is not looking to get away with anything, rather he is having some fun. If he denied it, or tried to hide it, rather than freely offering the information up, then maybe he could be dragged into this.
The sad thing is that fans of an organization who fear that organization may be drowning are trying to deflect blame and implicate others as a way of reducing the culpability of their franchise. They hope to minimize their actions by dragging others into their boat, no matter how dissimilar, hoping they will create allies, if unwilling ones. Drowning they seek to drag others down too. They have tried this with the Packers and with the Steelers, two organizations of substantial history and with substantial fan bases believing that strong unwilling allies may be the best bet. They hope that those fan bases will rally to their cause in an effort to defend their own franchises. This is, of course, cowardly and dishonorable. There is no similarity between the open statements on the one hand and the actions of the Pats on the other. I have even heard Rodgers frank statements, and those of Bradshaw, characterized by Pats fans as admissions, trying to imply that their were accusations and their is some guilt. Nothing could be further from the truth of their frank and open discussion.

Shame on those who are so dishonorable.

You miss the point, Rodgers freely "admitted" it because he didn't feel he was cheating and understands it is common practice for qbs to work their balls; some like em soft, some hard. Same with Bradshaw, it was no big deal until the butt hurt ravens and colts whined to the league about it.

What is cowardly and dishonorable is gleefully rushing to destroy the reputations of one of the greatest QBs of all time based on rumor and innuendo while simultaneously ignoring FACTUAL proof that QBs of other teams have admitted they did similar or worse. That's cowardly and shameful, we know Rodgers likes his footballs over inflated, that is a fact and we know for a fact that Bradshaw and the Steelers did far worse (he bragged about it) than Brady has been accused of. If it is proven that Brady and the pats illegally manipulated the balls then we can discuss how it compares with the Rodgers and the packers and Bradshaw and the steelers did. You may not like the facts concerning the actions of the packers and the steelers but they are facts and while I don't consider them that big of a deal there are an awful lot of whiney butt hurt tools pompously wailing about the integrity of the game and to those folks I say, sorry, you can't have it both ways.

 

[KarmaPolice]

The Pats fans have been asked several times what it would take to admit they were tampering with the balls and cheated and have answered, has the other side answered those questions we've asked you?

- What would it take to admit that they didn't cheat, and haven't been doing so all along.

- What are these phantom other infractions that you seem to use when saying that this franchise has a "history" or "culture" of this stuff? Is it solely clinging to Spygate, or are you talking about something else?

 

[KarmaPolice]

Thought I heard last night that the league might take a few weeks after the SB to talk to people and release what they have. Sheesh - this thread will be rounding on 500 pages of #####ing at that point.

 

[Bad_Mo]

Hopefully the video tapes don't over-write themselves to quickly. This way they could check to see if this ball boy took the same route to the field for every home game.

They should be able to check on the tapes for some away games too.

There was a delay at the start of the game because of the NFC game. Its not unrealistic to think the kid when to chill out or use the bathroom rather than standing in the hallway. Christ, he most likely was logging on to FBG to get feedback on the NFC game and/or check Twitter.

Maybe they should try to get film of what he does leading up to game time, on weekends, with his friends, etc. to see if there is a trend.

 

[[icon]]

UPDATE ON LAST 50 PAGES OF THREAD

 

[[icon]]

Thread's Top 10 Posters

shader 212

12punch 175

General Tso 151

Run It Up 145

Deamon 145

Old Smiley 130

moleculo 124

ROCKET 117

mbuehner 106

rockaction 102

 

[Niles Standish]

This thread is hilarious. Roger Goodell isn't going anywhere (except to the Super Bowl).

Yeah seriously, no chance Goodell goes anywhere. I don't think he is worried about a bunch of Pats fans on a message board sorry. Any other sports station you turn on thinks the Pats are guilty. If you don't want the NFL investigating you then don't have 11 of 12 balls at illegal size.

Kraft is, from what I understand, Godells biggest advocate. If Kraft no longer has his back, I could see Godell being forced out rather quickly. Hell, half the league wants him out anyways because of the Ray Rice thing, the handling of the concussion stuff, and all of the other misc. arbitrary punishments.

Think about the Ray Rice uproar nationwide when that video got out. If he survived that this won't even be a blip on his radar.

He survived that because Kraft had his back.

That's a little delusional....I know you all think Kraft rules the world but most the owners had his back. A lot of those owners don't like the Patriots.

You do realize Moleculo is one of the salty haters.