Patriots being investigated after Colts game (1 Viewer)

[PatsWillWin]

When the Steelers’ coaches headsets malfunctioned on Thursday night in New England, it was treated by some as evidence of cheating by the Patriots. But several NFL head coaches said on Friday that in reality, headset problems are commonplace around the league, and not just in New England.

“It’s a league problem. It’s wherever,” said Panthers coach Ron Rivera. “It will go out right in the middle and not just here or in New England or in San Francisco, but it could go out in a critical time.”

Said Texans coach Bill O’Brien: “It happened in Dallas, it happens here, it happens wherever I’ve been.”

Said Eagles coach Chip Kelly: “I’ve heard a lot of things on the headsets, I think there’s a lot of frequency issues some places. I’ve heard air traffic control and a lot of different things.”

Said Cowboys coach Jason Garrett: “That’s certainly been a part of having to deal with game day situations, throughout my career as a player and a coach.”

Said Jets coach Todd Bowles: “It’s happened a bunch of other places. There have been times when the headsets have gone out, it wasn’t New England, I can’t remember the places we’ve had it, but we’ve had some of those headset problems.”

Said Lions coach Jim Caldwell: “It happens sometimes, sometimes there are quirks and technology is not always perfect. Things pop up. The problem is if you’re not prepared for it. If you’re not prepared for it, you’re going to have some issues.”

On Friday morning, it appeared that the NFL was about to have another scandal on its hands in the form of “Headsetgate.” But as Friday wore on, it began to look more like the NFL just has a problem common in a lot of workplaces: The communications technology doesn’t always work properly.

TLDR: Tomlin's a whiny, sore loser.

 

[Pots]

for the love of GOD lock this Thread

Why?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

for the love of GOD lock this Thread

Why?

because i cant stop poking my head in to watch the #### show ...if its locked im free from its pull lol

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Per Schefter:

Steelers did not and will not file a complaint to NFL about headset communication last night, per team official.

THE END.

Hilarious, Tomlin confirmed worse than Harbaww

Another false cheating accusation vs the Patriots debunked. The NFL handles the headsets, not the Patriots.

Yourteamcheats.com should start a new section listing all the false accusations debunked.

Not really the story. The NFL provides the headsets. The hosting team hooks them up to a system operated and maintained by the hosting team. As usual, when a chain has many links you only see one, and not clearly.

Is this what the steelers did against the jets?

 

[The General]

for the love of GOD lock this Thread

Why?

Terrible idea. This is the best thread in the Shark Pool.

 

[Rubi]

Just change the header every week to whatever team The Pats just played.

This team is way beyond "coincidence" at this point. I gave them the benefit of the doubt on most occasions,but when I hear respected football people like Tony Dungy and Peyton Manning question them I have to wonder. Do I put it on the players? No. If/when the chicanery is going on I believe it's coaches that are involved,that's why so many current and ex Pats can honestly say,"...we didn't cheat,we worked hard,followed our game plans and won." It would only take the head coach to have inside/illegally gotten information. He does the game planning,players would be unaware of anything illegal. My 2 cents

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Just change the header every week to whatever team The Pats just played.

This team is way beyond "coincidence" at this point. I gave them the benefit of the doubt on most occasions,but when I hear respected football people like Tony Dungy and Peyton Manning question them I have to wonder. Do I put it on the players? No. If/when the chicanery is going on I believe it's coaches that are involved,that's why so many current and ex Pats can honestly say,"...we didn't cheat,we worked hard,followed our game plans and won." It would only take the head coach to have inside/illegally gotten information. He does the game planning,players would be unaware of anything illegal. My 2 cents

Tony Dungy openly expressed an unwillingness to have a player like Michael Sam in his lockerrom, and he and Peyton managed to win ONE superbowl despite having a historically geat offense for more than a decade. My point is who you choose to call respected is subjective.

 

[Morton Muffley]

Can't give them the benefit of the doubt. Repeat offenders and all.

Sounds like somebody is still a salty hater from that game when his team gave up the biggest halftime lead in the history of the playoffs.

Lol, just another example of not letting fact get in the way of a good narrative....unless bostonfred is an oilers fan, in which case: nevermind

 

[Tau837]

Just change the header every week to whatever team The Pats just played.

Just call it The Pats Cheating Thread or similar to avoid the need to change the title ever again.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

How about we change it to self-rightous tools who live in glass houses? Or maybe just the tool shed to include both sides of the debate myself included. Anyway, suck it.

 

[Rubi]

Just change the header every week to whatever team The Pats just played.

This team is way beyond "coincidence" at this point. I gave them the benefit of the doubt on most occasions,but when I hear respected football people like Tony Dungy and Peyton Manning question them I have to wonder. Do I put it on the players? No. If/when the chicanery is going on I believe it's coaches that are involved,that's why so many current and ex Pats can honestly say,"...we didn't cheat,we worked hard,followed our game plans and won." It would only take the head coach to have inside/illegally gotten information. He does the game planning,players would be unaware of anything illegal. My 2 cents

Tony Dungy openly expressed an unwillingness to have a player like Michael Sam in his lockerrom, and he and Peyton managed to win ONE superbowl despite having a historically geat offense for more than a decade. My point is who you choose to call respected is subjective.

I'm not quite sure why number of Super Bowl wins has anything to do with being respected within your field,there are any number of people associated with football who never won a championship who are very well respected. I respect Manning and Dungy for the way they've carried themselves on and off the field,in spite of you disagreeing with what Dungy said about Michael Sam,it's hard to argue that either Manning or Dungy are anything but honest and respected by their peers. I'll give you respect can be subjective. But it appears they both are well respected within their chosen field.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

The Patriots of the early 2000's were akin to the Detroit Pistons of the late 80's.

In recent year I actually have gained a lot of respect for Belichick and don't have that strong of an opinion of them one way or another. Now if only they had better fans...

Wtf? Pistons?

 

[Pots]

Just change the header every week to whatever team The Pats just played.

This team is way beyond "coincidence" at this point. I gave them the benefit of the doubt on most occasions,but when I hear respected football people like Tony Dungy and Peyton Manning question them I have to wonder. Do I put it on the players? No. If/when the chicanery is going on I believe it's coaches that are involved,that's why so many current and ex Pats can honestly say,"...we didn't cheat,we worked hard,followed our game plans and won." It would only take the head coach to have inside/illegally gotten information. He does the game planning,players would be unaware of anything illegal. My 2 cents

Tony Dungy openly expressed an unwillingness to have a player like Michael Sam in his lockerrom, and he and Peyton managed to win ONE superbowl despite having a historically geat offense for more than a decade. My point is who you choose to call respected is subjective.

I'm not quite sure why number of Super Bowl wins has anything to do with being respected within your field,there are any number of people associated with football who never won a championship who are very well respected. I respect Manning and Dungy for the way they've carried themselves on and off the field,in spite of you disagreeing with what Dungy said about Michael Sam,it's hard to argue that either Manning or Dungy are anything but honest and respected by their peers. I'll give you respect can be subjective. But it appears they both are well respected within their chosen field.

They clearly are.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Has the league formally apologized to Coach Belichick, Tom Brady & the entire Patriots organization for what they have endured?

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

To each his own I suppose. When youve seen how Art Modell treated the city of Cleveland, when you were raised by a coaching community where exploiting the rules was commonplace, and when youve seen the media and petty fans tear good men down, you become less concerned with shallow definitions of respect and fair play, and more concerned with doing your job and taking care of your own. Im fully aware that trolls will extrapolate that to imply a winning at all costs mentality and some sort of moral deficiency, but the loyalty that BB inspires with his players (who know a hell of a lot more about him than an espn reporter or a fan of some other team) says all it needs to about these things for a typical pats fan. Are we obnoxious as a group? For sure, but then character assassination will do that.

 

[Steelers4Life]

To each his own I suppose. When youve seen how Art Modell treated the city of Cleveland, when you were raised by a coaching community where exploiting the rules was commonplace, and when youve seen the media and petty fans tear good men down, you become less concerned with shallow definitions of respect and fair play, and more concerned with doing your job and taking care of your own. Im fully aware that trolls will extrapolate that to imply a winning at all costs mentality and some sort of moral deficiency, but the loyalty that BB inspires with his players (who know a hell of a lot more about him than an espn reporter or a fan of some other team) says all it needs to about these things for a typical pats fan. Are we obnoxious as a group? For sure, but then character assassination will do that.

The team's actions, from Belichick down, warrant the character assassinations. Pats fans don't care, all the more power to you. But outside of the fan base, the entire "dynasty" is viewed much differently than inside, and more than any other team, the Patriots have lost the benefit of the doubt any other franchise would get.

I'm a Steelers fan, and plenty of people hate us too. But to hear Pats fans saying that we'd be jealous in any way of what the Pats have accomplished is somewhat laughable, and it's said all the time. The Pats have been a great team for the better part of 15 years, but won 3 Super Bowls under whatever suspicion is left behind by Spygate and have built a well-deserved reputation for often bending and sometimes breaking the rules. Pats fans say who cares, 99% percent of the rest of the NFL doesn't, and that makes any arguments about it 100% pointless.

The ESPN OTL article was a great read and brought to light a lot of detail and information about what went on behind the scenes during those years, and that just amplified things after everything else.

 

[JIslander]

To each his own I suppose. When youve seen how Art Modell treated the city of Cleveland, when you were raised by a coaching community where exploiting the rules was commonplace, and when youve seen the media and petty fans tear good men down, you become less concerned with shallow definitions of respect and fair play, and more concerned with doing your job and taking care of your own. Im fully aware that trolls will extrapolate that to imply a winning at all costs mentality and some sort of moral deficiency, but the loyalty that BB inspires with his players (who know a hell of a lot more about him than an espn reporter or a fan of some other team) says all it needs to about these things for a typical pats fan. Are we obnoxious as a group? For sure, but then character assassination will do that.

Can you expound on the bolded? Are you a Browns fan transplanted to NE?

 

[Jrodicus]

Can't give them the benefit of the doubt. Repeat offenders and all.

Sounds like somebody is still a salty hater from that game when his team gave up the biggest halftime lead in the history of the playoffs.

Lol, just another example of not letting fact get in the way of a good narrative....unless bostonfred is an oilers fan, in which case: nevermind

Hey, when in Rome...

Okay, okay...biggest halftime lead in a conference championship game. Better?

 

[Jrodicus]

The Patriots of the early 2000's were akin to the Detroit Pistons of the late 80's.

In recent year I actually have gained a lot of respect for Belichick and don't have that strong of an opinion of them one way or another. Now if only they had better fans...

Wtf? Pistons?

Remember the bad boys?

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

To each his own I suppose. When youve seen how Art Modell treated the city of Cleveland, when you were raised by a coaching community where exploiting the rules was commonplace, and when youve seen the media and petty fans tear good men down, you become less concerned with shallow definitions of respect and fair play, and more concerned with doing your job and taking care of your own. Im fully aware that trolls will extrapolate that to imply a winning at all costs mentality and some sort of moral deficiency, but the loyalty that BB inspires with his players (who know a hell of a lot more about him than an espn reporter or a fan of some other team) says all it needs to about these things for a typical pats fan. Are we obnoxious as a group? For sure, but then character assassination will do that.

Can you expound on the bolded? Are you a Browns fan transplanted to NE?

Not a browns fan, but i do feel for them given what modell did (even if they did give BB a lot of grief for his treatment of Kosar). Im a fan of the coaching history of the nfl all the way back to when BB and shula worked for the colts (which makes shula's petty comments about BB all the more small).

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

The Patriots of the early 2000's were akin to the Detroit Pistons of the late 80's.

In recent year I actually have gained a lot of respect for Belichick and don't have that strong of an opinion of them one way or another. Now if only they had better fans...

Wtf? Pistons?

Remember the bad boys?

A better comparison to the bad boys would be the klecko gastineau jets, but id agree that rodney harrison shares the mentslity.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Can't give them the benefit of the doubt. Repeat offenders and all.

Sounds like somebody is still a salty hater from that game when his team gave up the biggest halftime lead in the history of the playoffs.

I understand this was a big deal for you, but that loss probably doesn't rate in the top 20 playoff games for the Patriots of even the last 15 years. Congrats tho.

 

[Run It Up]

1-833-CRYGATE

 

[Jercules]

I still love to wonder how many of these people--appalled at the Patriots and their "taping signals from a verboten area" and "maybe deflating footballs slightly below a purely arbitrary limit"--are the same mouth-breathers tickled pink by the John Madden Raiders and their WWF-style cheating back in the day.

 

[GrandpaRox]

I hope I can get to see Brady play in person on Dec 13th in NGR park.

All the BS stuff aside, I want to see one of the best all time quarterbacks working his art.

 

[Jrodicus]

Can't give them the benefit of the doubt. Repeat offenders and all.

Sounds like somebody is still a salty hater from that game when his team gave up the biggest halftime lead in the history of the playoffs.

I understand this was a big deal for you, but that loss probably doesn't rate in the top 20 playoff games for the Patriots of even the last 15 years. Congrats tho.

Why WOULD a Pats fan consider one of their biggest blowups ever as one of their "top" games?

I'm guessing blowing the perfect season isn't one of your top playoff games either, amiright!

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Can't give them the benefit of the doubt. Repeat offenders and all.

Sounds like somebody is still a salty hater from that game when his team gave up the biggest halftime lead in the history of the playoffs.

I understand this was a big deal for you, but that loss probably doesn't rate in the top 20 playoff games for the Patriots of even the last 15 years. Congrats tho.

Why WOULD a Pats fan consider one of their biggest blowups ever as one of their "top" games?I'm guessing blowing the perfect season isn't one of your top playoff games either, amiright!

It was awful, lol. But the Giantz earned it, i was happy for strahan, and coughlin is a heck of a coach.

 

[JIslander]

I still love to wonder how many of these people--appalled at the Patriots and their "taping signals from a verboten area" and "maybe deflating footballs slightly below a purely arbitrary limit"--are the same mouth-breathers tickled pink by the John Madden Raiders and their WWF-style cheating back in the day.

Funny, I was going to say the difference is the Raiders didn't hide it; everybody knew they were dirty. But now that I think about it, it seems the Pats are headed that way to; "hey we cheat, so what? what are you going to do about it?

 

[satch]

I still love to wonder how many of these people--appalled at the Patriots and their "taping signals from a verboten area" and "maybe deflating footballs slightly below a purely arbitrary limit"--are the same mouth-breathers tickled pink by the John Madden Raiders and their WWF-style cheating back in the day.

Funny, I was going to say the difference is the Raiders didn't hide it; everybody knew they were dirty. But now that I think about it, it seems the Pats are headed that way to; "hey we cheat, so what? what are you going to do about it?

The difference is that in the Madden era teams/coaches lost with dignity and didn't search for excuses. If what you say is true, that the Raiders didn't hide their cheating, why didn't the other teams complain? Why was there no investigation and/or punishment?

 

[JIslander]

I still love to wonder how many of these people--appalled at the Patriots and their "taping signals from a verboten area" and "maybe deflating footballs slightly below a purely arbitrary limit"--are the same mouth-breathers tickled pink by the John Madden Raiders and their WWF-style cheating back in the day.

Funny, I was going to say the difference is the Raiders didn't hide it; everybody knew they were dirty. But now that I think about it, it seems the Pats are headed that way to; "hey we cheat, so what? what are you going to do about it?

The difference is that in the Madden era teams/coaches lost with dignity and didn't search for excuses. If what you say is true, that the Raiders didn't hide their cheating, why didn't the other teams complain? Why was there no investigation and/or punishment?

Lol. Teams "lost with dignity". and nobody complained? You're just saying stuff that you don't really know. So it was systematic but blatant use of stickem and illegal hits. Patriots behind the scenes systematic taping, deflating, stealing playsheets, etc. Its a more cerebral, clandestine form, but still cheating.

 

[Old Smiley]

ProFootballTalk ‏@ProFootballTalk 41m41 minutes ago

NFL has requested meeting with accused Deflategate employees http://wp.me/p14QSB-9QLX

No big $$$ NFLPA lawyers for those two though.

 

[satch]

I still love to wonder how many of these people--appalled at the Patriots and their "taping signals from a verboten area" and "maybe deflating footballs slightly below a purely arbitrary limit"--are the same mouth-breathers tickled pink by the John Madden Raiders and their WWF-style cheating back in the day.

Funny, I was going to say the difference is the Raiders didn't hide it; everybody knew they were dirty. But now that I think about it, it seems the Pats are headed that way to; "hey we cheat, so what? what are you going to do about it?

The difference is that in the Madden era teams/coaches lost with dignity and didn't search for excuses. If what you say is true, that the Raiders didn't hide their cheating, why didn't the other teams complain? Why was there no investigation and/or punishment?

Lol. Teams "lost with dignity". and nobody complained? You're just saying stuff that you don't really know. So it was systematic but blatant use of stickem and illegal hits. Patriots behind the scenes systematic taping, deflating, stealing playsheets, etc. Its a more cerebral, clandestine form, but still cheating.

Bottom line is that all teams have always "cheated" at one time or another, but only now are teams whining about it and using it as an excuse. Because they're sick of losing to the Pats.

 

[Morton Muffley]

Can't give them the benefit of the doubt. Repeat offenders and all.

Sounds like somebody is still a salty hater from that game when his team gave up the biggest halftime lead in the history of the playoffs.

Lol, just another example of not letting fact get in the way of a good narrative....unless bostonfred is an oilers fan, in which case: nevermind

Hey, when in Rome...

Okay, okay...biggest halftime lead in a conference championship game. Better?

Nope, that would make bostonfred a packers fan. But again, these are just facts and should in no way preclude you from coming to your pre-determined conclusion. So, by all means disregard and continue

 

[JIslander]

I still love to wonder how many of these people--appalled at the Patriots and their "taping signals from a verboten area" and "maybe deflating footballs slightly below a purely arbitrary limit"--are the same mouth-breathers tickled pink by the John Madden Raiders and their WWF-style cheating back in the day.

Funny, I was going to say the difference is the Raiders didn't hide it; everybody knew they were dirty. But now that I think about it, it seems the Pats are headed that way to; "hey we cheat, so what? what are you going to do about it?

The difference is that in the Madden era teams/coaches lost with dignity and didn't search for excuses. If what you say is true, that the Raiders didn't hide their cheating, why didn't the other teams complain? Why was there no investigation and/or punishment?

Lol. Teams "lost with dignity". and nobody complained? You're just saying stuff that you don't really know. So it was systematic but blatant use of stickem and illegal hits. Patriots behind the scenes systematic taping, deflating, stealing playsheets, etc. Its a more cerebral, clandestine form, but still cheating.

Bottom line is that all teams have always "cheated" at one time or another, but only now are teams whining about it and using it as an excuse. Because they're sick of losing to the Pats.

Bottom line I see is folks will reflect on the highlights of cheating history as... "remember those dirty, blatant Oakland Raiders of the 70s?" -- "remember those sneaky cheating Patriots of the early 2000's?" thats it

 

[Old Smiley]

Jastremski and McNally to be reinstated. No penalties.

(Apparently different duties? Don't know how that works...)

 

[Jrodicus]

Can't give them the benefit of the doubt. Repeat offenders and all.

Sounds like somebody is still a salty hater from that game when his team gave up the biggest halftime lead in the history of the playoffs.

Lol, just another example of not letting fact get in the way of a good narrative....unless bostonfred is an oilers fan, in which case: nevermind

Hey, when in Rome...

Okay, okay...biggest halftime lead in a conference championship game. Better?

Nope, that would make bostonfred a packers fan. But again, these are just facts and should in no way preclude you from coming to your pre-determined conclusion. So, by all means disregard and continue

Colts / Pats game was in 2006, right? When did the Packers blow their halftime lead?

It may no longer be the biggest blown halftime lead in a conference championship, but my statement still stands. If you feel like it needs to be qualified with an "at that time," then sure, knock yourself out.

 

[The General]

Jastremski and McNally to be reinstated. No penalties.

(Apparently different duties? Don't know how that works...)

Now in charge of radio and communications.

 

[parrot]

Jastremski and McNally to be reinstated. No penalties.

(Apparently different duties? Don't know how that works...)

Now in charge of radio and communications.

 

[Green and Gold]

Jastremski and McNally to be reinstated. No penalties.

(Apparently different duties? Don't know how that works...)

Now in charge of radio and communications.

Okay that was good.

 

[Old Smiley]

Patriot Pat should wear a giant plushy pair of headphones from now on. #embracethehate

 

[Old Smiley]

Stephanie Stradley ‏@StephStradley 13s13 seconds ago

Wonder if NFL asked for non disclosure/no lawsuit as a condition MT @AdamSchefter: Patriots Jastremski & McNally expected to be reinstated

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

I apologize if the 60 minutes piece is a Honda, but its another New Yorker giving and accurate, honest, unbiased report on what a dishonest\hateful farce hategate is\was from start to finish.

http://offthemonstersports.com/2015/09/this-60-minutes-sports-piece-by-ny-professor-on-deflate-gate-is-incredible/

 

[amnesiac]

so when do they get the draft pick back?

 

[Run It Up]

If the NFL loses the appeal Goodell will be pushed to reduce the penalty. Whether he does so is entirely different.

 

[ratbast]

Pats ain't cryin. Doing there job. There sure are allot of other teams crying right now. Losers.

 

[TD Ryan]

so when do they get the draft pick back?

this will happen on the Friday after Thanksgiving - at approx. 2am EST - the NFL will quietly end their appeal and return the first round pick.

 

[Monty Burns]

Jastremski and McNally to be reinstated. No penalties.

(Apparently different duties? Don't know how that works...)

I can't help but wondering how much weight "The Deflator" has lost during this ordeal....

 

[Old Smiley]

Jastremski and McNally to be reinstated. No penalties.

(Apparently different duties? Don't know how that works...)

I can't help but wondering how much weight "The Deflator" has lost during this ordeal....

Well, he's probably been sitting in a dark room eating quarts of ice cream for seven months....

 

[amnesiac]

so when do they get the draft pick back?

this will happen on the Friday after Thanksgiving - at approx. 2am EST - the NFL will quietly end their appeal and return the first round pick.

i'll admit, i wasn't really expecting such a specific answer. well done.

 

[Anarchy99]

More news on all this today and no updates in here. I guess no one cares any more. NFL filing 200 page outline of why the judge was wrong. A former league official from Indy claims the Pats ball attendant has been acting suspicious for years. And an attorney interviewed by 60 Minute Sports claims the league knew exactly what gauges were used to measure the balls and fabricated Anderson's confusion to try to distort the actual readings (that's his explanation at least).